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                  L S D   N E W S   O C T O B E R   1 9 9 4
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Written by Maximan/LSD.


INTRODUCTION
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With all the bizarre rumours and conjecture that has come to pass recently, I
thought it necessary to write this text file. Not to quell 2-Fool's recent
rantings and ravings, you understand, but to set the record straight
regarding a number of untruths and rumours - basically to fill people in on
what REALLY is going on within the echelons of LSD. I have absolutely no
interest in entering a sad "textfile war", so you can put your poison-pen
editors away.


THE FABLED PD-CD OF INFINITE MONEY
----------------------------------
In January of this year Pazza and mUb decided that they were going to try
their collective hands at producing a compact disc compilation of public
domain and shareware software - as you know. No secret has been made of this,
and FiSH and I have known about it since it's outset. If an attempt was
made to hush it up, it wasn't a very good one.

2-Fool, along with his siamese-twin 'The fArt', have also known about the CD
all the way through it's compilation and yet they have not voiced any
complaints about it's content or production - until now. And their complaints
make rather amusing reading.

Firstly, take their statement regarding the content of the CD, and the
supposition that Pazza and mUb are ripping off the other members of LSD. The
CD comprises of 6% LSD productions, and 94% of other public domain material.
Now, that hardly seems like a CD brimming full of LSD work, does it? The
twins also seemed to have missed the point regarding the meaning of the term
'public domain' as well. When Amiga enthusiasts produce freely distributable
items of software they don't expect any form of financial recompense at the
time of writing, nor at any date in the future. It's free, and the general
concept is that it's produced for the enjoyment of other Amiga enthusiasts
who may use or misuse it as they wish. Virtually all of LSD productions have
been - and will be - of this type.

For example, 'Jesus On E's' and 'Grapevine Magazine' are well-known LSD
produce. They are top-sellers with many of the UK's PD libraries, and have
probably been transfered on every conceivable type of media known to man - 
including CD. Take a recent release, such as the 'Euroscene One' CD, and sure
enough you'll find LSD work on there. So, are the compilers of 'Euroscene
One' ripping LSD members off, by using their productions to fill their CD?
Of course not. I hardly think it would be appropriate for me, or any other
LSD member, to ring them up and say, "Hey you f**&)&g bastards! Give us some
money for our PUBLIC DOMAIN releases!"

The plain and obvious reason for this is that the compilers of CDs are not
usually in the business of ripping off software authors. They do not get paid
for other peoples work, they get paid for their OWN work - Pazza and mUb are
no exception to this. Filling a CD with 640Mb of quality public domain
software is not a quick and easy task, by any stretch of the imagination. It
has taken Pazza & mUb almost ten months to compile the CD and produce a
user-friendly interface for users, which included making the CD 'BBS-Ready'.
When they receive their share of the proceeds for the CD (early next year)
they will be getting paid for the long hours, painstaking compilation and
checking that they have put in this year. They will not be claiming that they
have had a hand in the content of the disk, and receiving fraudulent payment
as a result.

2-Fool's second nonsense statement of many, was that Pazza and Mub will be
making in excess of sixty thousand pounds profit from the venture. Lamers
reading this article, put away your PD collection! This figure is completely
unrealistic, and were it the case there would be a significantly larger
number of PD CDs available, rather than the current handful. Either 2-Fool
spent too much time staring out of the window during his Mathematics school
hours, or he believes that this is a proverbial 'pot of gold at the end of
the disk pile'. Answers on a postcard please.

I doubt very much that by this time next year Pazza and mUb will be driving
BMWs, or installing corner jacuzi baths in their houses. But, more to the
point, what business have 2-Fool and The fArt probing their oily noses into
the financial affairs of other people? I couldn't give a flying toss how
much money they are going to make from the CD. Also, there is nothing to stop
anyone with the right mind and time from doing the same as they have done.
The siamese-twins are more than likely griping because they didn't think of
it first. Or more likely, upset that they are unlikely to make very much
money out of the fabled 'Swift Professional' BBS software (which is written
from the C source code to Ami-Express). Of course, 2-Fool doesn't believe 
that using the source to Ami-Express is ripping the author off. Perish the
thought!

In summary, I'm sure you'll agree that Pazza and mUb are not quite the
mercenaries that the twins have made them out to be. My work is on the CD,
and I don't feel like I'm being ripped off - the stuff was produced with
no intent of financial gain. If anyone out there disagrees with that concept,
then read through this text again before you write your reply text.


LSD KILLED IN FREAK ROAD ACCIDENT
---------------------------------
I chortled with laughter when I read 2-Fool's remarkable claims that LSD was
dead and that most of the members had joined his new group EX-4. Just in case
you were wondering, LSD is NOT dead. It's not even unwell, or looking pale.

Normally, when a group dies, there is a good reason for it such as the
manager disbanding it, or the entire group being on an Estonian ferry in high
winds. Groups do NOT disband when one of it's member coders falls out of bed
one day, and decides that it has. But, of course, try telling that to 2-Fool.
Think about it. It would be a bit like me telling everyone that 2-Fool's
family had abandoned him, and come to live with me. Although it is a credible
idea, imagine if I claimed that, considering that it is completely untrue and
his family had no idea about it. They'd probably laugh at it if they found
out - just like I did when I read 2-Fool's claim. But my laugh at that was
nothing compared to the guffaws and howling at his purported EX-4 members
list.

I snickered at the inclusion of Data, who left LSD sometime ago to
concentrate on his full-time job of writing computer games for Domark. That
was followed by me being doubled-up in apoplexy by the appearance of a *NEW*
member called '?'. Ahhhh ah ah.. HAHAHAHAHAH! Sorry, it get's me every time.
As that wasn't enough, the 'Unconfirmed Memberslist' was even funnier. Echo
being the best one of all. Echo wouldn't leave LSD if you stuck a lit bunsen
burner up his rectum.

But the 'creme de la creme' of text was to follow in the statement that EX-4
was simply LSD under "new management", and that consequently all of LSD's
boards were now EX-4 boards and that that was "100% confirmed". Perhaps
2-Fool should have tried calling them first to see if that they knew that!

If that wasn't enough, a recent EX-4 'release' states that now half of LSD's
members are still in LSD and the rest are in EX-4. If that is the case, then
LSD must now have 2 members, as the only people I see in EX-4 are 2-Fool and
The fArt. Perhaps 2-Fool's mathematic abilities are failing him again. Let me
make it quite clear that EX-4 has NO bulletin boards in the USA, and no
official management. Unless of course you count the miscounting 2-Fool.

Lastly, I am well aware that 2-Fool or his siamese-twin The fArt will attempt
to make a reply text file to this. So to save you the time of reading it I'll
pre-empt the key points of discreditation within it, right here:

(1) All references to me being inactive and a non-member of LSD.
(2) All references to hair loss, bald patches and recedation.
(3) Names such as "MaxiBALD" and their ilk could appear, but note they have
    already been used by D-Man. Look out for a picture of my head in a future
    issue of Grapevine!
(4) All references to me being 'unable to code'.
(5) All references to this text file being 'full of inaccuracies and lies'.
(6) My home phone number is (0522) 721280.
 
Now, time for some more important news....


GRAPEVINE IS BACK!
------------------
Yes, the UK's premier diskmag is back. Most future issues of Grapevine will
be on two disks (by request) and is likely to appear monthly, rather than bi-
monthly. Note that there will be no adverts in this issue. We had a number
of complaints that the third disk consisted mainly of adverts, and that it
was unnecessary. We may include text adverts in future issues (still on two
disks), but only if there is sufficient demand.

Shagratt and I have spent this week ensuring that Grapevine is fully-
compatible with all Amigas - including ECS machines. However, it is likely
that Grapevine will go 'full-AGA' in the near future - so get an A1200 now!

Pazza and the Grapevine editors have about 3Mb of articles waiting to go into
the magazine, which will go in the next two issues. Of course, we still want
your articles, so keep up the good work and ensure that our editors'
letterboxes are rendered useless. :)

Please note that 2-Fool's suggestion that the diskmag (that may or may not
appear) entitled 'Communique' is NOT the follow-up to Grapevine. There is
only ONE Grapevine magazine! So, "Comm-you-nik-cay" is more like, "Cumm-in-
your-mouth", so to speak.


WHY HAS GRAPEVINE BEEN AWAY FOR SO LONG?
----------------------------------------
Unbelievable though it may seem, LSD members have lives in the real world
too. Pazza, Shagratt, mUb and myself have had hectic lives this past year.

Pazza has got married and moved into a new house, which he has been 
endevouring to improve over the past year. He has also been working hard on
the compilation of the CD.

Shagratt hasn't got married, but he has moved into a new house with his
girlfriend and has bought himself a pair of slippers. However, now that he
has settled in, he has now back to doing LSD stuff. Unfortunately, the
keyboard on his A4000 has decided to die, so he has been working on my
machine as of late. Shagratt and I will be co-working on Grapevine in the
future to improve the user interface, and overall magazine operation
wherever we can.

mUb hasn't got married either, but he has moved into a new house with his
girlfriend and daughter, and he is contemplating buying a pipe. mUb, being
a jack of all trades, has been working on many things (including the Fabled
PD-CD of Infinite Money). He now runs a BBS, and now has more time in which
to write music.

As for myself, I haven't got married, and I haven't moved a new girlfriend
into my house yet. However, since the Digital party last October I have been
writing 'Lemmings II' on the Sega Master System, Game Gear and Nintendo Game
Boy (yes, I wrote them all at the same time - hence most of my life was spent
at work!) and more recently a PC kids game based around a very well known TV
character. Now I'm back to LSD intros/demos and, of course, Grapevine.


LSD RELEASES TO LOOK OUT FOR IN THE NEXT 14 DAYS
------------------------------------------------

  'Texture Rapping' Intro by Trixter
  GRAPEVINE #20
  'Chip Toonz' Collection
  Music Disk "AMBIANCE" by Rad & Nzo
  New /X Doors by Oedipus/LSD

Miss them at your peril!

------------------------------------------------

Now, of course, comes the obligatory memberlist. But don't worry, we've only
got two or three members (according to EX-4), so it shouldn't take long to
read. Heh!

Maximan/LSD.


PS. In case you were wondering, EX-4 should really be refered to as "EX-2",
as in "Ex-Two members of LSD". Look out for cool EX-2 releases, coming to a
mail swapper near you!




                       Updated memberlist 02-OCT-94


                            -=UNITED KINGDOM=-

                         ALCAPONE - Modem Trader  
                            AXEN - Modem Trader
                              AXEMAN - Coder
                         BERNARD SUMNER - Musician
                              CATLORD - Coder
                           CRUISE - Modem Trader
                           DENZIL - Modem Trader
                              ECHO - Musician
                             EL PEDRO - Coder
                             FISH - Management
                             GIZ - GFX Artist
                               HYDRA - Coder
                        JIMMY DEATH - Modem Courier
                   KEN-D - Modem Trader/Grapevine Editor
                       MARC PANTHER - Modem Trader 
                      MARS BAR - Trainer Maker/Coder
                              MAXIMAN - Coder
                          MR.MAGOO - Modem Trader
                         MUB - Music/Modem Trader
                         NEUROMANCER - GFX Artist
                     OEDIPUS - Coder/Grapevine Editor
                     PAZZA - Grapevine Editor/Manager
                             PSYCHOSIS - Coder
                          RAINMAN - Modem Trader
                              SCOOTER - Modem
                              SCOTT - Cracker
                             SHAGRATT - Coder
                           SOONY - Modem Trader
                           SULACO - Modem Trader
                                WIT - Coder
                              TRIXTER - Coder
                           ZYGOTE - Modem Trader

                                 -=U S A=-

                           .44 MAGNUM - Co-Sysop
                       EDDIE THE HEAD - Modem Trader
                             JOHN YAYA - Sysop
                   RAD - Management/Sysop/Musician/ASCII
                            SKYLARK - Co-Sysop
                               BIKER - Sysop
                          SUBHUMANZ - Sysop/Coder
 
                                -=EUROPE=-

                       FAITH - /X Utils/Modem Trader
                   JACKNIFE - Modem Trader/Console Coder
                          KNOCKOUT - Modem Trader
                          LA TAUPE - Modem Trader
                    PAUL ATREIDES - Coder/Modem Trader
                       METAL WARRIOR - Modem Trader
                          NECRARCH - Modem Trader
                           SAVAGE - Modem Trader
                            STAR - Modem Trader

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                              -=LSD BOARDS=-


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                           SYSOP: LOOSE MARBLES
                             COSYSOP:  CHARON

                                    -=-


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