WE WOULD DiE FOR COMMODoRE · : __ _/\¦/\_ __ __/\__ _ _ __ _/(_) | (_)\_ __ _ _ __/\__ \ / ( /_/\\_ | _//\_\ ) \ / /_ _\ \_\/_/ @ | @ \_\/_/ /_ _\ \/ \__ _|_ __/ \/ _ ___ _____/\_ ___/\__/\__).(__/\__/\___ _/\_____ ___ _ \\\__\\_____ (_) __ ___ (_¦_) ___ __ (_) _____//__/// _ \___ / \/| _ _ _ _ _ |\/ \ ___/ /(___ _/\_____ / /_ _ _| | | | | | |_ _ _\ \ _____/\_ ___)\ / (_) \_ \/ \\_ |_|_|_|_| _// \/ _/ (_) \ / _/ _ _ _| | | | | | |_ _ _ \_ \ \ ( (_)\_ | | | | | _/(_) ) / /\ \ WE WiLL NEVER _/ ¯ ¯ ¯ ¯ ¯ \_ WE WiLL NEVER / /\ \/ / SURRENDER _ __/\\__ _\ /_ __//\__ _ COMPROMISE! \ \/ / \\\__/ \/ \_/ \/ \__/// \ \ ¯ __/\ /\__ ¯ / \ __________________\__/ \__/__________________ / \( __/\ /\__ )/ ¯ \__/ ___ \__/ __/\\_//\__ ONLiNE UNTIL BUST \__/ _ \__/ ONLiNE BiS ZUM KNAST __/ \__ \_____/ ACID SLAM - HIDDIN FOR YEARS, STILL NOT FOUND! - This file was downloaded from: - _______ __ __ _______ ___________ ______ ______ /__ __// /_/ // _____/ / _____/\__ \ / ____// ____/ / / / __ // ___/ / ___/ / \/ // /\ // ___/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \__/ \__/ /____/ \_\/_/ \__/ -*- The Silents World Head-Quarters -*- * 4 Nodes - All Ringdown - All DHST's * * Running GVP's Combo '040 at 33 Mhz! * * Multi-Node Chat * * OnLine Since 1985 * No Freeloaders here!, if you want to read this file, then DOWN-LOAD it !! ············································································· @BEGIN_FILE_ID.DIZ _/\ /\_ /\_______/\___ .--\_ Y _// ________ \ : P R E S E N T S |M | |/\____ \ | \ : LSD News Oct'94 |R _| / \\_ | \\_ H \\_ LSD News Oct'94 |V \ ______/_____/____ / LSD News Oct'94 `---\/-----\/----------\/ @END_FILE_ID.DIZ ____ ____ _____ _______ / /\ / /\/ \ /\ \ /___/ \ /___/ /_______\ \______\ \ \ \ __\ \ \_______/ / ___ | \ \ / \ \/______\ / //\ | | \ \ /___/ \______ / / / \ \| | \ \\ \ /___// / / /___\/ / \___\\___\/\___X___/\/__//______/ L S D N E W S O C T O B E R 1 9 9 4 ¯¬°¤ø¤°¬¯¬°¤ø¤°¬¯¬°¤ø¤°¬¯¬°¤ø¤°¬¯¬°¤ø¤°¬¯ Written by Maximan/LSD. INTRODUCTION ------------ With all the bizarre rumours and conjecture that has come to pass recently, I thought it necessary to write this text file. Not to quell 2-Fool's recent rantings and ravings, you understand, but to set the record straight regarding a number of untruths and rumours - basically to fill people in on what REALLY is going on within the echelons of LSD. I have absolutely no interest in entering a sad "textfile war", so you can put your poison-pen editors away. THE FABLED PD-CD OF INFINITE MONEY ---------------------------------- In January of this year Pazza and mUb decided that they were going to try their collective hands at producing a compact disc compilation of public domain and shareware software - as you know. No secret has been made of this, and FiSH and I have known about it since it's outset. If an attempt was made to hush it up, it wasn't a very good one. 2-Fool, along with his siamese-twin 'The fArt', have also known about the CD all the way through it's compilation and yet they have not voiced any complaints about it's content or production - until now. And their complaints make rather amusing reading. Firstly, take their statement regarding the content of the CD, and the supposition that Pazza and mUb are ripping off the other members of LSD. The CD comprises of 6% LSD productions, and 94% of other public domain material. Now, that hardly seems like a CD brimming full of LSD work, does it? The twins also seemed to have missed the point regarding the meaning of the term 'public domain' as well. When Amiga enthusiasts produce freely distributable items of software they don't expect any form of financial recompense at the time of writing, nor at any date in the future. It's free, and the general concept is that it's produced for the enjoyment of other Amiga enthusiasts who may use or misuse it as they wish. Virtually all of LSD productions have been - and will be - of this type. For example, 'Jesus On E's' and 'Grapevine Magazine' are well-known LSD produce. They are top-sellers with many of the UK's PD libraries, and have probably been transfered on every conceivable type of media known to man - including CD. Take a recent release, such as the 'Euroscene One' CD, and sure enough you'll find LSD work on there. So, are the compilers of 'Euroscene One' ripping LSD members off, by using their productions to fill their CD? Of course not. I hardly think it would be appropriate for me, or any other LSD member, to ring them up and say, "Hey you f**&)&g bastards! Give us some money for our PUBLIC DOMAIN releases!" The plain and obvious reason for this is that the compilers of CDs are not usually in the business of ripping off software authors. They do not get paid for other peoples work, they get paid for their OWN work - Pazza and mUb are no exception to this. Filling a CD with 640Mb of quality public domain software is not a quick and easy task, by any stretch of the imagination. It has taken Pazza & mUb almost ten months to compile the CD and produce a user-friendly interface for users, which included making the CD 'BBS-Ready'. When they receive their share of the proceeds for the CD (early next year) they will be getting paid for the long hours, painstaking compilation and checking that they have put in this year. They will not be claiming that they have had a hand in the content of the disk, and receiving fraudulent payment as a result. 2-Fool's second nonsense statement of many, was that Pazza and Mub will be making in excess of sixty thousand pounds profit from the venture. Lamers reading this article, put away your PD collection! This figure is completely unrealistic, and were it the case there would be a significantly larger number of PD CDs available, rather than the current handful. Either 2-Fool spent too much time staring out of the window during his Mathematics school hours, or he believes that this is a proverbial 'pot of gold at the end of the disk pile'. Answers on a postcard please. I doubt very much that by this time next year Pazza and mUb will be driving BMWs, or installing corner jacuzi baths in their houses. But, more to the point, what business have 2-Fool and The fArt probing their oily noses into the financial affairs of other people? I couldn't give a flying toss how much money they are going to make from the CD. Also, there is nothing to stop anyone with the right mind and time from doing the same as they have done. The siamese-twins are more than likely griping because they didn't think of it first. Or more likely, upset that they are unlikely to make very much money out of the fabled 'Swift Professional' BBS software (which is written from the C source code to Ami-Express). Of course, 2-Fool doesn't believe that using the source to Ami-Express is ripping the author off. Perish the thought! In summary, I'm sure you'll agree that Pazza and mUb are not quite the mercenaries that the twins have made them out to be. My work is on the CD, and I don't feel like I'm being ripped off - the stuff was produced with no intent of financial gain. If anyone out there disagrees with that concept, then read through this text again before you write your reply text. LSD KILLED IN FREAK ROAD ACCIDENT --------------------------------- I chortled with laughter when I read 2-Fool's remarkable claims that LSD was dead and that most of the members had joined his new group EX-4. Just in case you were wondering, LSD is NOT dead. It's not even unwell, or looking pale. Normally, when a group dies, there is a good reason for it such as the manager disbanding it, or the entire group being on an Estonian ferry in high winds. Groups do NOT disband when one of it's member coders falls out of bed one day, and decides that it has. But, of course, try telling that to 2-Fool. Think about it. It would be a bit like me telling everyone that 2-Fool's family had abandoned him, and come to live with me. Although it is a credible idea, imagine if I claimed that, considering that it is completely untrue and his family had no idea about it. They'd probably laugh at it if they found out - just like I did when I read 2-Fool's claim. But my laugh at that was nothing compared to the guffaws and howling at his purported EX-4 members list. I snickered at the inclusion of Data, who left LSD sometime ago to concentrate on his full-time job of writing computer games for Domark. That was followed by me being doubled-up in apoplexy by the appearance of a *NEW* member called '?'. Ahhhh ah ah.. HAHAHAHAHAH! Sorry, it get's me every time. As that wasn't enough, the 'Unconfirmed Memberslist' was even funnier. Echo being the best one of all. Echo wouldn't leave LSD if you stuck a lit bunsen burner up his rectum. But the 'creme de la creme' of text was to follow in the statement that EX-4 was simply LSD under "new management", and that consequently all of LSD's boards were now EX-4 boards and that that was "100% confirmed". Perhaps 2-Fool should have tried calling them first to see if that they knew that! If that wasn't enough, a recent EX-4 'release' states that now half of LSD's members are still in LSD and the rest are in EX-4. If that is the case, then LSD must now have 2 members, as the only people I see in EX-4 are 2-Fool and The fArt. Perhaps 2-Fool's mathematic abilities are failing him again. Let me make it quite clear that EX-4 has NO bulletin boards in the USA, and no official management. Unless of course you count the miscounting 2-Fool. Lastly, I am well aware that 2-Fool or his siamese-twin The fArt will attempt to make a reply text file to this. So to save you the time of reading it I'll pre-empt the key points of discreditation within it, right here: (1) All references to me being inactive and a non-member of LSD. (2) All references to hair loss, bald patches and recedation. (3) Names such as "MaxiBALD" and their ilk could appear, but note they have already been used by D-Man. Look out for a picture of my head in a future issue of Grapevine! (4) All references to me being 'unable to code'. (5) All references to this text file being 'full of inaccuracies and lies'. (6) My home phone number is (0522) 721280. Now, time for some more important news.... GRAPEVINE IS BACK! ------------------ Yes, the UK's premier diskmag is back. Most future issues of Grapevine will be on two disks (by request) and is likely to appear monthly, rather than bi- monthly. Note that there will be no adverts in this issue. We had a number of complaints that the third disk consisted mainly of adverts, and that it was unnecessary. We may include text adverts in future issues (still on two disks), but only if there is sufficient demand. Shagratt and I have spent this week ensuring that Grapevine is fully- compatible with all Amigas - including ECS machines. However, it is likely that Grapevine will go 'full-AGA' in the near future - so get an A1200 now! Pazza and the Grapevine editors have about 3Mb of articles waiting to go into the magazine, which will go in the next two issues. Of course, we still want your articles, so keep up the good work and ensure that our editors' letterboxes are rendered useless. :) Please note that 2-Fool's suggestion that the diskmag (that may or may not appear) entitled 'Communique' is NOT the follow-up to Grapevine. There is only ONE Grapevine magazine! So, "Comm-you-nik-cay" is more like, "Cumm-in- your-mouth", so to speak. WHY HAS GRAPEVINE BEEN AWAY FOR SO LONG? ---------------------------------------- Unbelievable though it may seem, LSD members have lives in the real world too. Pazza, Shagratt, mUb and myself have had hectic lives this past year. Pazza has got married and moved into a new house, which he has been endevouring to improve over the past year. He has also been working hard on the compilation of the CD. Shagratt hasn't got married, but he has moved into a new house with his girlfriend and has bought himself a pair of slippers. However, now that he has settled in, he has now back to doing LSD stuff. Unfortunately, the keyboard on his A4000 has decided to die, so he has been working on my machine as of late. Shagratt and I will be co-working on Grapevine in the future to improve the user interface, and overall magazine operation wherever we can. mUb hasn't got married either, but he has moved into a new house with his girlfriend and daughter, and he is contemplating buying a pipe. mUb, being a jack of all trades, has been working on many things (including the Fabled PD-CD of Infinite Money). He now runs a BBS, and now has more time in which to write music. As for myself, I haven't got married, and I haven't moved a new girlfriend into my house yet. However, since the Digital party last October I have been writing 'Lemmings II' on the Sega Master System, Game Gear and Nintendo Game Boy (yes, I wrote them all at the same time - hence most of my life was spent at work!) and more recently a PC kids game based around a very well known TV character. Now I'm back to LSD intros/demos and, of course, Grapevine. LSD RELEASES TO LOOK OUT FOR IN THE NEXT 14 DAYS ------------------------------------------------ 'Texture Rapping' Intro by Trixter GRAPEVINE #20 'Chip Toonz' Collection Music Disk "AMBIANCE" by Rad & Nzo New /X Doors by Oedipus/LSD Miss them at your peril! ------------------------------------------------ Now, of course, comes the obligatory memberlist. But don't worry, we've only got two or three members (according to EX-4), so it shouldn't take long to read. Heh! Maximan/LSD. PS. In case you were wondering, EX-4 should really be refered to as "EX-2", as in "Ex-Two members of LSD". Look out for cool EX-2 releases, coming to a mail swapper near you! Updated memberlist 02-OCT-94 -=UNITED KINGDOM=- ALCAPONE - Modem Trader AXEN - Modem Trader AXEMAN - Coder BERNARD SUMNER - Musician CATLORD - Coder CRUISE - Modem Trader DENZIL - Modem Trader ECHO - Musician EL PEDRO - Coder FISH - Management GIZ - GFX Artist HYDRA - Coder JIMMY DEATH - Modem Courier KEN-D - Modem Trader/Grapevine Editor MARC PANTHER - Modem Trader MARS BAR - Trainer Maker/Coder MAXIMAN - Coder MR.MAGOO - Modem Trader MUB - Music/Modem Trader NEUROMANCER - GFX Artist OEDIPUS - Coder/Grapevine Editor PAZZA - Grapevine Editor/Manager PSYCHOSIS - Coder RAINMAN - Modem Trader SCOOTER - Modem SCOTT - Cracker SHAGRATT - Coder SOONY - Modem Trader SULACO - Modem Trader WIT - Coder TRIXTER - Coder ZYGOTE - Modem Trader -=U S A=- .44 MAGNUM - Co-Sysop EDDIE THE HEAD - Modem Trader JOHN YAYA - Sysop RAD - Management/Sysop/Musician/ASCII SKYLARK - Co-Sysop BIKER - Sysop SUBHUMANZ - Sysop/Coder -=EUROPE=- FAITH - /X Utils/Modem Trader JACKNIFE - Modem Trader/Console Coder KNOCKOUT - Modem Trader LA TAUPE - Modem Trader PAUL ATREIDES - Coder/Modem Trader METAL WARRIOR - Modem Trader NECRARCH - Modem Trader SAVAGE - Modem Trader STAR - Modem Trader -+- -=LSD BOARDS=- MEGA LO MANIA (WHQ) +1 812 944 6866 +1 812 949 4888 +1 812 944 1081 SYSOP: RAD COSYSOP: FISH, MARC PANTHER 28800 DUAL STANDARD HST AMI-EXPRESS -=- SKULLBUGGERY (USHQ) 4 node >> +1 706 541 xxxx << ringdown +1 706 541 xxxx +1 706 541 xxxx +1 706 541 xxxx SYSOPS: BIKER COSYSOP: FISH, SKYLARK 3 GIG ONLINE, 28800 HST, AMI-EXPRESS -=- PLANET X (USHQ) 3 node >> +1 414 964 7434 << ringdown SYSOP: JOHN YAYA COSYSOPS: FISH, 16800 DUAL STANDARD HST AMI-EXPRESS -=- DIABOLICAL SABOTAGE (USHQ) >> CURRENTLY DOWN FOR RELOCATION << SYSOP: SUBHUMANZ COSYSOP: FISH, DR.VINCULUM 16800/14400 DUAL STANDARD HST AMI-EXPRESS -=- FORGOTTEN REALMS (USHQ) 3 node >> +1 301 953 7376 << ringdown -=- EXPERIMENT 4 (LSD UKHQ) (no joke!) 2 node >> +44 (0) 81 2414458 << ringdown SYSOP: LOOSE MARBLES COSYSOP: CHARON -=- end. . .......and don't forget to call....... . . * ___ . . . . * . . . . / /\ *_________ _______ _______ . ______ / / / /\ \ . \ \ . /\ \ ./\ \ . o . /__/ /_ . / \ \ . \ \ / \ \/ \ \ /__/\ \/\__ / \________\ / \______\. / \______\ \_____\ _\__\ \ / /\./ / _______// \_ __ \/ / ___ / / ____/ . /__/\/ \ \/ // / / \ .__/ / / \ \ / / \/_/ / /__\ . / /\ /\ \ // / /___\. \ \ / /\ \ \ / /\____\ / ____/ / / /\ \ \ \// / _____/___\ \ / / \ / / / /\/__ / / / \ * /__/ \ \ \_\/ \ / / \ \/ /____\/ / / /___\/ /\/ /_____\ \__\/\ \ \ \ \ / / \__________/\/________/ \_______/ . \ \ \_\/ . \/ \_____________________________________________\ . \ \ \ \ / * \__\/ . \ -*- The Silents World Head-Quarters -*- / . . \____________________________________________/ . . . . . . . . . .* SysOp: PLANET MASTER * . . . . . * All Nodes Ringdown - All DHST's! * . . * Running GVP's Combo '040/2000 33Mhz! * . . . . * Multi-Node Chat * . . . * . * OnLine Since 1985 * * . . . . . . . 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