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¬EX4!
Information pertaining to brand the
new *ELiTE* group born from the
re-structuring plan of the
Dead & buried 'LSd' group...
We are not going to keep this little fact under raps any longer. This has
just happened in the last day or two due to some major internal problems
with management decisions and greedy people... Don`t worry this is *NOT*
the end for the LSD Membership.. EX4 is born...keep reading!!!!!!
Its *NOTHING* to do with any problems with our releases, boards, swappers,
support or anything like that. Oh no, this has happened at grass roots
level due to a project by Pazza and Mub to cash in on the hard work of
LSd`s members, their releases and basically anything they could leech of
the LSd boards to put on their precious money spinning CD Title deal
with 17-Bit Software.
As you may have realized by now its ALL to do with MONEY.. Yes, people get
greedy and in this little story the people concerned are PAZZA & MUB. Both
have been leeching meg`s and megs of PD demos, intros, utilities, music
disks, etc. basically anything that remotely resembles Public domain
material from the LSd boards. Now this in itself is not a problem but what
really makes the whole LSd membership angry is that fact that they are
making this CD from the hard work of ALL of the LSD releases and others
and SELLING the CD for MEGABUCKS!!! We are talking serious moolar here..
And not one penny is going to the people who created the work on this CD,
i.e.; the many graphic artists, musicians, coders & disk-compilers, etc.,
etc.. All the work done by people on these things like intros, demos
utilities, graphics, etc by LSd is not to be rewarded in any way whatsoever.
Okay so maybe individuals should not benefit with big pay-offs but what
really should have been done is consultation on this issue with group
members. Okay Pazza may have a public copyright on the "LSD" group name but
the people`s work is their OWN...
We as a group DO NOT LIKE one bit our work getting used to make money for
others. We made this work for FREE distribution and if ANYONE should make
profit out of it then it should be the authors. Its like someone trying to
SELL Grapevine for £20 a copy and making £9,000+ profit out of the work.. If
this had happened I`m sure that PAZZA would have made a BIG stink about it.
Take a look at the disclaimers all over the old back issues of Grapevine as
it loaded. Its like a backdoor form of PIRACY, steeling from the scene
to line their own pockets by USING (& abusing) other peoples hard work...
All the LSd members felt the same about this and as a result we had to take
appropriate action. Fish really did tried to give mUb a chance to redeem
himself and support LSd`s members with much needed funds to cover the cost
of communication and support of our boards but even after such a chat he still
wouldn`t budge. Mub said something along the lines of "We`re the ones who`ve
worked for the last 5 months?" (The cheek of it!... LSD MEMBERS HAVE WORKED,
THE SCENE HAS WORKED, THE TRADERS HAVE WORKED, YOU JUST LEECHED!!!!!!!!!!!)
When then asked about a donation from the profits Earned from LSd members hard
work. We then tried to subtly throw hints about people getting VERY PISSED
OFF about this whole thing but they continued to turn a blind eye.
Out of the kindness of his heart Pazza stated that he would work out the
Percentage of LSd stuff on the CD title then calculate from the profits
a percentage of cash to donate but he mockingly stated that
"It would not be more than 5 pounds!!!!!!!"
TAAAAAAAAKING THE PISSSSSSSSSSS OR WHAT??????????? 5 FUCKING POUNDS ..
THAT'S A DAMNED DISGRACE!!
Take this possible scenario: The CD becomes hyped as 'one of the best',
'a must for everyone's collection' by all the Amiga Magazines. Now this could
easily mean that 20,000 CD`s sold (probably MUCH MUCH MORE!) Now they stand
to make £3 profit per CD. (It costs roughly £50 to master a CD and 50p for
each copy so 17-Bit could easily afford to give £3 per CD sold royalties)
That`s BIIIIIIG profits...
Put this into an calculation;
CD`s Sold: 20,000 CD`s x £3 profit each.
Profit-Gained: = £60,000 - £5 (payment to LSd guys)
= £5 MAX For the LSd Guys (split between
ALL 30+ of them!)
Final-Profit: = £59,995 ÷ 2 (split between Paz & Mub)
Profit Totals: = Therefore if the £5 was split between
each member they would get 16p each no
matter how many they sell,even 50k!!!!!
= £29,997.50 for mUB (based on 20k)
= £29,997.50 for Paz! (based on 20k)
= £00,000.16 for each LSd guy (MAXIMUM!)
Hey that's a *fucking* good deal to the LSd guys eh??!!!! WE THINK NOT!!!
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We as a group think the whole thing is a shady deal which will only make
£££ profits for Martin (Pazza) so he can drive around in a BMW. We all
would like to.. Many members started murmuring about kicking out the
management of LSd after all this...(ie. Pazza & also mub for being in on
the deal)
When the idea of competition from other LSd members compiling CD`s of
the LSD Collection was talked about he threw back the threat into our faces
that the label "LSD" remains a public copyright to himself (ie; ONLY TO
PAZZA) and in saying this he was basically saying "All members who don`t
like it can fuck off because he *OWNS* LSd". In effect he was trying to
say "WE WORK FOR HIM" ... Fuck off.. We worked for the group name.. most
people had forgotten that Pazza even existed (there has been rumours
for a long time that he`d even left the scene) And even Pazza stating
this is totally beyond belief Pazza took over LSd from "Rebel" when
LSd was in Leed. LSD was originally founded by Rebel (I think) & LSD
stood for 'Leeds Software Distribution"... Regarding the 'LSd' copyright,
well a company in London has actually got the 'LEGAL' copyright to the
name LSd since they purchased it sometime ago (just take a look at
any Amiga magazine from the past 6 months)
As a consequence of the (and get this) "THE WHOLE OF THE LSD MEMBERSHIP"
Including *ALL* the LSD Boards and productive members has left and
REFORMED under the new label, "EX4!" Experiment-4 to overcome the public
copyright with the 'Lsd' label apparently owned by Martin (Pazza)...
This just confirms the absolute disgust and disapproval by the Lsd
membership. So far from the 35 or so members we had in LSd >>>32<<<
have left and joined EX4! As for the others, we have as yet been unable
to contact them..This just proves a point.. Pazza cannot shit on people
like this 'Just because he`s Pazza'.. His original name 'Parasite' is
more appropriate to what he`s been trying to get away with... Reactions
from people in the group have been "We`re not surprised", "And I always
thought he was looking after *OUR* interests", "R.I.P=LSD.. Roll on
EX4!"... "Who cares.. Who`s Pazza anyway..." etc.
As far as the whole of the LSd membership are concerned Andy (Fish) has
been the Manager of LSd for the last year or so anyway. Pazza stopped
contacting people, never bothered to organise anything , group releases ,
bulletin boards, internal matters, internal organization, etc, etc.
nothing. Everything has been forced upon Andy who really has put his
heart and sole (and bank balance) into complete dedication for the group.
During the passed summer holidays, when Fish took a break, LSd died for 6
weeks while he was spending time with his wife and children. Andy`s phone
bill each quarter has reached at times a staggering 600+ pounds (ouch!) due
to the need for communication with members whereas Pazza`s has be firmly
locked at the low 60/70 pounds mark. And with the money to be earned of
this deal Pazza could been looking to earn 300 + each week PLUS his social
security payments bringing it up to around 350+.. That's a serious wage for
abusing others work! Its not that nobody didn`t think about doing a CD b4..
many have, but in order to do such a thing, the compilers would get nothing
since all the royalties would go to their rightful owners.. the authors...
Anyway no matter what happens now.. its too late for LSd. Its dead, over
done, finished. FULL STOP. Martin had his chance, took the fame and then
tried to 'pull a fast one'. The membership voted with their feet and
now "EVERYONE" has left WITHOUT ARGUMENT. EX4 has become the reality..
The future is looking real bright since now EX4 has had 09 new members
joined already who previously had been asked to join LSd before but declined,
because of Pazza and the shabby, 'wishy washy' attitude and structuring
in the group on Pazza`s part.
Take a look at the below statistics...
(NB: Sorry this list does not including all our hard working traders)
Membership of LSd until yesterday
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Active Members
01) Pazza Management (!)
02) Fish Co-Managemet, Releases, Graphics, Docs Disks
03) Mub Music (?)
04) The Art Assembly Coder
05) 2-Cool Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
06) Trixter Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
07) Cath Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
08) Data Assembly Coder,
09) Hydra Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
10) Phil! Assembly Coder
11) Oediepus SAS/C Coder
12) Axeman SAS/C Coder
13) El Pedro SAS/C Coder
14) Echo Musician
15) Skylark Sysop "SKULLBUGGERY"
16) Rad! Sysop "MEGA-LO-MANIA"
17) Subhumanz Sysop "DIABOLICAL SABOTAGE" & SAS/C Coder
18) Jon Yaya Sysop "PLANET-X"
19) Scooter Modem Trader
10) Marc Panther Modem Trader
21) Denzil Modem Trader
22) Ken D Modem Trader
23) Zygote Modem Trader
24) Axen Modem Trader
25) Starblazer Graphic Artist
26) Giz Graphic Artist
27) Catlord Coder
+ 10 or more traders/swappers (for distribution of releases)
THEY
***** ALL LEFT *******
AND REFORMED
UNDER
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No. Handle Status Position
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01) Fish Main Manager/Organisation.
Modem, Releases,
Graphics Artist
02) The Art Group Coordinator
Co-Sysop of "WILD-WORLD"
Assembly Coder
03) 2-Cool Group Coordinator
Co-Sysop of "WILD-WORLD"
Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
04) Rad! USA Organiser
Sysop "MEGALOMANIA",
Musician, Ascii
05) Cath Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
06) Data Assembly Coder
07) Oediepus SAS/C Coder Main Editor of Communique
08) Axeman SAS/C Coder Also Sysop of "WILD-WORLD"
09) Batfink *NEW* Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
10) Wit *NEW* Assembly Coder
11) Arron *NEW* Assembly Coder
12) Cylon *NEW* Assembly Coder
13) Scot *NEW* Coder Cheat Maker
14) ? *NEW* Graphics Artist
15) Giz Graphics Artist
16) Zadd *NEW* Musician & Graphics Artist
17) The Assassin *NEW* Musician
18) Deltex *NEW* Musician
19) AnF! *NEW* Ascii-Artist
20) Starblazer Graphic Artist
21) Trixter Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
22) Skylark,Biker Sysop "SKULLBUGGERY"
23) Subhumanz Sysop "DIABOLICAL SABOTAGE" Also SAS/C Coder
24) Jon Yaya Sysop "PLANET-X"
25) Loose Marbles sysop "EXPERIMENT 4"
26) Scooter Modem Trader
26) Marc Panther Modem Trader
27) Denzil Modem Trader
28) Ken D Modem Trader Co-Editor of Communique
39) Axen Modem Trader
30) Zygote Modem Trader
31) Catlord Coder
Unconfirmed Members
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32) Echo *N/A* Musician
33) Hydra *N/A* Assembly Coder?, SAS/C Coder
34) Phil! *N/A* Assembly Coder
35) El Pedro *N/A* SAS/C Coder
36) Paul Atreides *N/A* Trader/Snes
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+ All the other traders + co-sysop we may get & others!!!
With the 20 or so traders we`ll have about 50+ members!!!!!!!
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*LATEST* Only >5< unconfirmed members support now, *LATEST*
Even if these 5 didn`t defect we would
still have a 50+ members strong group!
The new EX4 Project is DEFINITELY to proceed as planned now
as nothing can stop it now.. nothing lies in our way..
LSD = R.I.P.
Long live 'EX4!'
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¬EX4! Bulletin Boards
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! MegaLoMania 4 Nodes Ringdown - USA-WHQ
! SkullBuggery 4 Nodes - USA-HQ
! Planet-X 2 Nodes Ringdown - USA-HQ
! Experiment 4 2 Nodes - UK-HQ
! Wild-World 2 Nodes - UK-HQ
? Diabolical Sabotage 3 Nodes - USA-HQ
+ Some Undecided Uk boards..
! = Confired
? = To Be Confired
We have know had 100% *CONFIRMATION* on all the above boards marked with
a '!' We already have all the other bbs`s, we are simply LSd under
·new management· with some new cool members, a fresh new outlook and
bags more style...
At the moment, Diabolical is off-line so we cannot seek confirmation from
Troy as yet...
Latest on SkullBuggery:
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THE 'BroThA-HoOD' is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS TIME 4-EVER
AND AS A 'EX4!' BBS!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YEA!
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¬EX4! Planned Releases
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Inftro (New-Group info) Demo
Cool new texture rapping Intro by Trixter
Cool new bitmap rotation Intro by WiT
"Satan-On-Speed!" Rave-Demo by Trixter + Others
(Follow up to the famous "JESUS ON E`S")
New Music Disk by Rad! "AMbIANCE"
Possibly a scene chart again (not yet confirmed)
*NEW* Coders-Disks Series
*NEW* EX4 "Communique" Disk-Magazine
(Follow up to GRAPEVINE)
"Comm-you-nik-cay"
EX4 Documents-Disk Series
EX4 Utilities-Disk Series
EX4 Music-Disk Collection (3 Releases)
Update of AERegister tool by 2-Cool
Update of PPDecrypt tool by 2-Cool
Disk-Cache utility by Batfink
SWIFT-BBS System (Preview) by 2-Cool!
SWIFT-COMM Comms-Package by Axeman
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Copyright 'EX4' Disclaimer!
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Since Pazza took it onto himself to public copyright the 'LSd' label we have
also taken the same steps, hence;
The names 'EX4' and 'Experiment-4' are a public copyright held by;
'Fish'
'2-Cool'
'The Art'
Copyright © 1994. All Rights are Reserved.
Only the above mentioned parties can authorize releases under the 'EX4'
& 'Experiment-4' labels in accordance with the above defined copyright(s).
Failure to abide by this will render the party(s) liable to prosecution
under the copyrights & trademarks acts.
LSd is a public copyright to Martin (PAZZA)
GV & Grapevine is a public copyright to Martin (PAZZA)
ALL Trademarks and Copyrights Acknowledged!
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