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                    Its official... LSD = A DEAD GROUP!


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                              Long live EX4!

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                               ¬EX4!


                     Information pertaining to brand the 
                     new *ELiTE* group born from the 
                     re-structuring plan of the
                     Dead & buried 'LSd' group...
 



We are not going to keep this little fact under raps any longer. This has
just happened in the last day or two due to some major internal problems
with management decisions and greedy people... Don`t worry this is *NOT*
the end for the LSD Membership.. EX4 is born...keep reading!!!!!!

Its *NOTHING* to do with any problems with our releases, boards, swappers,
support or anything like that. Oh no, this has happened at grass roots 
level due to a project by Pazza and Mub to cash in on the hard work of 
LSd`s members, their releases and basically anything they could leech of 
the LSd boards to put on their precious money spinning CD Title deal 
with 17-Bit Software.

As you may have realized by now its ALL to do with MONEY.. Yes, people get
greedy and in this little story the people concerned are PAZZA & MUB. Both
have been leeching meg`s and megs of PD demos, intros, utilities, music
disks, etc. basically anything that remotely resembles Public domain
material from the LSd boards. Now this in itself is not a problem but what
really makes the whole LSd membership angry is that fact that they are
making this CD from the hard work of ALL of the LSD releases and others
and SELLING the CD for MEGABUCKS!!! We are talking serious moolar here.. 

And not one penny is going to the people who created the work on this CD, 
i.e.; the many graphic artists, musicians, coders & disk-compilers, etc., 
etc.. All the work done by people on these things like intros, demos 
utilities, graphics, etc by LSd is not to be rewarded in any way whatsoever.
Okay so maybe individuals should not benefit with big pay-offs but what 
really should have been done is consultation on this issue with group
members. Okay Pazza may have a public copyright on the "LSD" group name but
the people`s work is their OWN...

We as a group DO NOT LIKE one bit our work getting used to make money for 
others. We made this work for FREE distribution and if ANYONE should make 
profit out of it then it should be the authors. Its like someone trying to
SELL Grapevine for £20 a copy and making £9,000+ profit out of the work.. If 
this had happened I`m sure that PAZZA would have made a BIG stink about it. 
Take a look at the disclaimers all over the old back issues of Grapevine as
it loaded. Its like a backdoor form of PIRACY, steeling from the scene
to line their own pockets by USING (& abusing) other peoples hard work... 

All the LSd members felt the same about this and as a result we had to take
appropriate action. Fish really did tried to give mUb a chance to redeem 
himself and support LSd`s members with much needed funds to cover the cost 
of communication and support of our boards but even after such a chat he still
wouldn`t budge. Mub said something along the lines of "We`re the ones who`ve
worked for the last 5 months?" (The cheek of it!... LSD MEMBERS HAVE WORKED,
THE SCENE HAS WORKED, THE TRADERS HAVE WORKED, YOU JUST LEECHED!!!!!!!!!!!)
When then asked about a donation from the profits Earned from LSd members hard 
work. We then tried to subtly throw hints about people getting VERY PISSED 
OFF about this whole thing but they continued to turn a blind eye. 

Out of the kindness of his heart Pazza stated that he would work out the 
Percentage of LSd stuff on the CD title then calculate from the profits 
a percentage of cash to donate but he mockingly stated that

                "It would not be more than 5 pounds!!!!!!!"



  TAAAAAAAAKING THE PISSSSSSSSSSS OR WHAT??????????? 5 FUCKING POUNDS ..
                        THAT'S A DAMNED DISGRACE!! 


Take this possible scenario:     The CD becomes hyped as 'one of the best',
'a must for everyone's collection' by all the Amiga Magazines. Now this could
easily mean that 20,000 CD`s sold (probably MUCH MUCH MORE!) Now they stand
to make £3 profit per CD. (It costs roughly £50 to master a CD and 50p for
each copy so 17-Bit could easily afford to give £3 per CD sold royalties)

                        That`s BIIIIIIG profits...



                       Put this into an calculation;

        CD`s Sold:		   20,000 CD`s x £3 profit each.

	Profit-Gained:		 = £60,000 - £5 (payment to LSd guys)
				 = £5 MAX For the LSd Guys (split between
							ALL 30+ of them!)

        Final-Profit:		 = £59,995 ÷ 2 (split between Paz & Mub)

	Profit Totals:		 = Therefore if the £5 was split between
				   each member they would get 16p each no
				   matter how many they sell,even 50k!!!!!

				 = £29,997.50 for mUB (based on 20k)
				 = £29,997.50 for Paz! (based on 20k)
				 = £00,000.16 for each LSd guy (MAXIMUM!)

 Hey that's a *fucking* good deal to the LSd guys eh??!!!! WE THINK NOT!!!



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We as a group think the whole thing is a shady deal which will only make
£££ profits for Martin (Pazza) so he can drive around in a BMW. We all
would like to.. Many members started murmuring about kicking out the
management of LSd after all this...(ie. Pazza & also mub for being in on 
the deal) 

When the idea of competition from other LSd members compiling CD`s of
the LSD Collection was talked about he threw back the threat into our faces
that the label "LSD" remains a public copyright to himself (ie; ONLY TO 
PAZZA) and in saying this he was basically saying "All members who don`t
like it can fuck off because he *OWNS* LSd". In effect he was trying to
say "WE WORK FOR HIM" ... Fuck off.. We worked for the group name.. most
people had forgotten that Pazza even existed (there has been rumours
for a long time that he`d even left the scene) And even Pazza stating
this is totally beyond belief Pazza took over LSd from "Rebel" when
LSd was in Leed. LSD was originally founded by Rebel (I think) & LSD
stood for 'Leeds Software Distribution"... Regarding the 'LSd' copyright,
well a company in London has actually got the 'LEGAL' copyright to the
name LSd since they purchased it sometime ago (just take a look at
any Amiga magazine from the past 6 months)

As a consequence of the (and get this) "THE WHOLE OF THE LSD MEMBERSHIP"
Including *ALL* the LSD Boards and productive members has left and 
REFORMED under the new label, "EX4!" Experiment-4 to overcome the public
copyright with the 'Lsd' label apparently owned by Martin (Pazza)... 
This just confirms the absolute disgust and disapproval by the Lsd
membership. So far from the 35 or so members we had in LSd >>>32<<<
have left and joined EX4! As for the others, we have as yet been unable
to contact them..This just proves a point.. Pazza cannot shit on people
like this 'Just because he`s Pazza'.. His original name 'Parasite' is
more appropriate to what he`s been trying to get away with... Reactions
from people in the group have been "We`re not surprised", "And I always
thought he was looking after *OUR* interests", "R.I.P=LSD.. Roll on
EX4!"... "Who cares.. Who`s Pazza anyway..." etc.

As far as the whole of the LSd membership are concerned Andy (Fish) has 
been the Manager of LSd for the last year or so anyway. Pazza stopped 
contacting people, never bothered to organise anything , group releases ,
bulletin boards,  internal matters, internal organization, etc, etc. 
nothing. Everything has been forced upon Andy who really has put his
heart and sole (and bank balance) into complete dedication for the group.
During the passed summer holidays, when Fish took a break, LSd died for 6 
weeks while he was spending time with his wife and children. Andy`s phone 
bill each quarter has reached at times a staggering 600+ pounds (ouch!) due 
to the need for communication with members whereas Pazza`s has be firmly 
locked at the low 60/70 pounds mark. And with the money to be earned of 
this deal Pazza could been looking to earn 300 + each week PLUS his social 
security payments bringing it up to around 350+.. That's a serious wage for 
abusing others work! Its not that nobody didn`t think about doing a CD b4.. 
many have, but in order to do such a thing, the compilers would get nothing
since all the royalties would go to their rightful owners.. the authors...

Anyway no matter what happens now.. its too late for LSd. Its dead, over
done, finished. FULL STOP. Martin had his chance, took the fame and then
tried to 'pull a fast one'. The membership voted with their feet and 
now "EVERYONE" has left WITHOUT ARGUMENT. EX4 has become the reality.. 
The future is looking real bright since now EX4 has had 09 new members 
joined already who previously had been asked to join LSd before but declined,
because of Pazza and the shabby, 'wishy washy' attitude and structuring 
in the group on Pazza`s part.



                  Take a look at the below statistics...


   (NB: Sorry this list does not including all our hard working traders)

                     Membership of LSd until yesterday 
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                             Active Members

01) Pazza			 Management (!)
02) Fish			 Co-Managemet, Releases, Graphics, Docs Disks
03) Mub				 Music (?)
04) The Art			 Assembly Coder
05) 2-Cool			 Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
06) Trixter			 Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
07) Cath			 Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
08) Data			 Assembly Coder, 
09) Hydra			 Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
10) Phil!			 Assembly Coder
11) Oediepus			 SAS/C Coder
12) Axeman			 SAS/C Coder
13) El Pedro			 SAS/C Coder
14) Echo			 Musician
15) Skylark			 Sysop "SKULLBUGGERY"
16) Rad!			 Sysop "MEGA-LO-MANIA"
17) Subhumanz			 Sysop "DIABOLICAL SABOTAGE" & SAS/C Coder
18) Jon Yaya			 Sysop "PLANET-X"
19) Scooter			 Modem Trader
10) Marc Panther		 Modem Trader
21) Denzil			 Modem Trader
22) Ken D			 Modem Trader
23) Zygote                       Modem Trader
24) Axen			 Modem Trader
25) Starblazer			 Graphic Artist
26) Giz				 Graphic Artist
27) Catlord			 Coder

       + 10 or more traders/swappers (for distribution of releases)




                                   THEY

                          ***** ALL LEFT *******

                               AND REFORMED

                                   UNDER


                                   ¬EX4!




No. Handle			Status	Position
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01) Fish	 		Main Manager/Organisation.
				Modem, Releases,
				Graphics Artist

02) The Art		 	Group Coordinator
				Co-Sysop of "WILD-WORLD"
				Assembly Coder

03) 2-Cool	 		Group Coordinator
				Co-Sysop of "WILD-WORLD"
				Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder

04) Rad!	 		USA Organiser
				Sysop "MEGALOMANIA", 
				Musician, Ascii

05) Cath	 		Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
06) Data	 		Assembly Coder
07) Oediepus	 		SAS/C Coder Main Editor of Communique
08) Axeman	 		SAS/C Coder Also Sysop of "WILD-WORLD"
09) Batfink		 *NEW*	Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
10) Wit			 *NEW*	Assembly Coder
11) Arron		 *NEW*	Assembly Coder
12) Cylon		 *NEW*	Assembly Coder
13) Scot		 *NEW*	Coder Cheat Maker
14) ?			 *NEW*	Graphics Artist
15) Giz			 	Graphics Artist
16) Zadd		 *NEW*	Musician & Graphics Artist
17) The Assassin	 *NEW*	Musician
18) Deltex		 *NEW*	Musician
19) AnF!		 *NEW*	Ascii-Artist
20) Starblazer		 	Graphic Artist
21) Trixter	 		Assembly Coder, SAS/C Coder
22) Skylark,Biker 		Sysop "SKULLBUGGERY"
23) Subhumanz	 		Sysop "DIABOLICAL SABOTAGE" Also SAS/C Coder
24) Jon Yaya		 	Sysop "PLANET-X"
25) Loose Marbles               sysop "EXPERIMENT 4"
26) Scooter		 	Modem Trader
26) Marc Panther	 	Modem Trader
27) Denzil	 		Modem Trader
28) Ken D	 		Modem Trader Co-Editor of Communique
39) Axen	 		Modem Trader
30) Zygote                      Modem Trader
31) Catlord	  		Coder



                            Unconfirmed Members
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32) Echo		*N/A*	Musician
33) Hydra		*N/A*	Assembly Coder?, SAS/C Coder
34) Phil!		*N/A*	Assembly Coder
35) El Pedro		*N/A*	SAS/C Coder
36) Paul Atreides       *N/A*   Trader/Snes

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         + All the other traders + co-sysop we may get & others!!!

       With the 20 or so traders we`ll have about 50+ members!!!!!!!


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 *LATEST*        Only >5< unconfirmed members support now,	    *LATEST*
                  Even if these 5 didn`t defect we would
                  still have a 50+ members strong group!

	The new EX4 Project is DEFINITELY to proceed as planned now
	as nothing can stop it now.. nothing lies in our way.. 

                               LSD = R.I.P.
                             Long live 'EX4!'



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                           ¬EX4! Bulletin Boards
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!     MegaLoMania		4 Nodes Ringdown	-	USA-WHQ
!     SkullBuggery		4 Nodes  		-	USA-HQ
!     Planet-X			2 Nodes Ringdown	-	USA-HQ
!     Experiment 4              2 Nodes                 -       UK-HQ
!     Wild-World		2 Nodes			-	UK-HQ
?     Diabolical Sabotage	3 Nodes			-	USA-HQ

                       + Some Undecided Uk boards..

                            ! = Confired
                            ? = To Be Confired

We have know had 100% *CONFIRMATION* on all the above boards marked with 
a '!'  We already have all the other bbs`s, we are simply LSd under 
·new management· with some new cool members, a fresh new outlook and
bags more style...

At the moment, Diabolical is off-line so we cannot seek confirmation from
Troy as yet... 




                          Latest on SkullBuggery:
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         THE 'BroThA-HoOD' is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS TIME 4-EVER
                  AND AS A 'EX4!' BBS!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YEA!



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                          ¬EX4! Planned Releases
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                       Inftro (New-Group info) Demo

                 Cool new texture rapping Intro by Trixter

                   Cool new bitmap rotation Intro by WiT

              "Satan-On-Speed!" Rave-Demo by Trixter + Others
		(Follow up to the famous "JESUS ON E`S")

                      New Music Disk by Rad! "AMbIANCE"

             Possibly a scene chart again (not yet confirmed)

                         *NEW* Coders-Disks Series

                   *NEW* EX4 "Communique" Disk-Magazine
			(Follow up to GRAPEVINE)
                             "Comm-you-nik-cay"

                        EX4 Documents-Disk Series

                        EX4 Utilities-Disk Series

                  EX4 Music-Disk Collection (3 Releases)

                    Update of AERegister tool by 2-Cool
 
                   Update of PPDecrypt tool by 2-Cool

                       Disk-Cache utility by Batfink

                   SWIFT-BBS System (Preview) by 2-Cool!
                    SWIFT-COMM Comms-Package by Axeman



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                        Copyright 'EX4' Disclaimer!
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Since Pazza took it onto himself to public copyright the 'LSd' label we have 
                     also taken the same steps, hence;

    The names 'EX4' and 'Experiment-4' are a public copyright held by;

                                  'Fish'
                                 '2-Cool'
                                 'The Art'

                Copyright © 1994. All Rights are Reserved.

  Only the above mentioned parties can authorize releases under the 'EX4'
 & 'Experiment-4' labels in accordance with the above defined copyright(s).
 Failure to abide by this will render the party(s) liable to prosecution 
                  under the copyrights & trademarks acts.







                LSd is a public copyright to Martin (PAZZA)
          GV & Grapevine is a public copyright to Martin (PAZZA)

                ALL Trademarks and Copyrights Acknowledged!





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