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"D.I.S.C. - I LOVE YOU" ANSWER
After releasing issue 9 of DISC, the second latest release, I can't hide
the fact that I was very interested in reading the response from the scene.
After all, DISC is made for and by the sceners.
Well... the weeks went by and I got a lot of letters from sceners that
wanted to tell me what they thought of the "new" DISC, and I also saw some
reviews in different mags. Most of the response The DISC Team received was
good from our point of view, but of course a few sceners also gave us some
bad critics. The reviews we got about the first 3 months after the
release, were quite good. The DISC Team couldn't expect much better
reviews really after the first new release. But then suddenly at the end
of October'94 and beginning of November, DISC got some real bad critisism.
And it's our opinion that those reviews were based on totally wrong
background information about DISC, and what DISC is all about. Infact we
think the criticism are unfair, and therefore I - on the behalf of the DISC
Team would like to answer. Since I don't have the energy to answer all, I
will really concentrate on one specific article that made me and the rest
of the DISC Team real angry. The article was published in a diskmag we all
thought was a respected magazine; Abnormalia. The article itself was
written by an experienced article writer, a man that has written articles
for Stolen Data, RAW, ROM, Thing, Buzz and 42 among others. Yes, his name
is RokDaZone, and this is an answer to his low-
standard-shit-throwing-article.
Well... Rookie, you that claim to know so much about the scene and know so
much about the different productions released there, it's time that
somebody actually teach you something about the scene, and then especially
about DISC. Rookie, you have been a scener for some time now, and have
written articles for some years. And since you have been a part of the
scene for some time, I really did think you actually had some know- ledge
about the scene too. But I was wrong! Yo Freshman, the scene didn't start
2-3 years ago...
First of all, I can tell you that you really should learn what critics are
all about before you make use of them. The word is taken from a greek
word, crisis, which actually mean to separate... you know, separate
something good from something bad. And you Freshie actually think you did
that when you wrote your little bad article. But then I can tell you
something else. What you did was actually to spread a lot of lies and
write rubbish!!! This time Freshie, you have gone to far.
Now to some of the crap you wrote in your article about DISC. Yes,
Hotshot, you wrote that the last issue of DISC (before issue 9 that is),
got released early 1991. Hm... that's quite strange because The DISC Team
certainly have released issues after that. Ok... it's no big deal really
to make this mistake, but for a man that knows everything it's quite a
defeat. DISC 7, which was the last well spread issue of DISC was released
in April/May 1991. But afterwards another issue of the legend was
released, DISC 8. This issue was not spread too well simply because the
diskmag wasn't good. Anyway, the diskmag was released July/August 1991.
So now you know... and DISC 9 should have been released 8-12 weeks
afterwards, but this never happened... and I think about all the sceners
know why. It's because The DISC Team were promised another & better code
by one of the best coders at the scene at the time; Chaos. But instead he
gave the great code away to another great diskmag back then, Zine by
Brainstorm! You have heard about Zine lamerZone? Why I ask? Because I
don't think you ever have seen an issue of the old DISC! If you remember
anything, Chaos gave the code away to Zine because he knew the Brainstorm
members better and simply because he liked Zine better than DISC. It was
also because Chaos had a quarrel with Zodiac (another DISC editor from
Sanity) and he thought that DISC would die. But who died after getting the
new code? Since you're not able to guess, Rockhead: Zine!
You, Freshie, also asked "Why the damn does IRIS Norway release a
German/Austrian mag that peacefully passed away in 1991?" Well, what's
there to say about this? First of all it confirms my suspicion that you
have never ever read DISC. That's because DISC never has been a
German/Austrian diskmag, it was and still is a mag made by sceners for
sceners. It was a cooperation project between many different crews. At
first D.I.S.C. was made by Level 4 asd & Phase 101! Do you remember that
Rookie, or did you not know what a computer was in those days? Level 4
asd. started it all, but was of course not the only crew behind the mighty
DISC. No, there were many different groups. Infact, it changed from each
issue. I can mention that members of known teams (you would probably call
them important) like Cryptoburners, Energy, Axis, Argon, Coma, Cytax,
Spreadpoint, Complex, Crionics, Disaster Area, Cult, Panic, TRSI, IBB, Sun
Connection, Amiga Industries, Crusaders, Sunway, Amaze, Magnetic Fields,
Unicorn, Powerdrive, The Fantasy Force, etc. etc. wrote for The DISC
Team. But they were not the main-editing teams. This you should know
LamerZone, because even you should have got an Amiga when the DISC Team
released the last well spread issue of DISC. Yes, I'm still talking about
nr.7! What we have learned in class today (or was this too much for you?),
is that DISC wasn't a German/Austrian diskmag. Many groups contributed, as
Level 4 with articles, music, code etc. Vertical with gfx and music,
Addonic and IRIS with articles, news, etc. Yes, now I'm even going to tell
you about the main-editing teams of DISC.. they were Addonic and IRIS in
the last good issue. And from where did IRIS come? Germany? Austria?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (At this point Zerox is so frustrated that we, the
caring DISC-team strap him down, at least until he stops frothing.) At that
time IRIS only had members in France! And in DISC issue 8 (last issue of
the "old" DISC), two other teams become main-editing crews also: Vertical
and Sanity! So DISC then got 4 main-editing teams! As I've already told
you, DISC had new main-editor teams almost in every issue. I can for
example tell you that Addonic, Dynamix and IRIS were those teams in issue
6, and in issue 5 the same teams plus Level 4 were main-editing teams. The
most important persons behind DISC were Pincher & Yankee, and also Jpn,
Chris, Ken, Zodiac, Flinx, Bubbler, Mcs, Crazy, Keo, Condor and Jon, CMR,
R0ly, Jonah, etc. As for IRIS, they had many many many different persons
involved in that project. First of all, there were Chris, Luc De Maroy,
D.Traumer and Lone Slonono, but also others like Codelight, Badbab&Ktulu
etc. So that is why IRIS took more and more over DISC. That is... issue
8 really got released more or less by the new Level Four team, in coop with
Sanity, Addonic, Vertical and IRIS. Anyway, I repeat and HOPE you Rookie
now have learned something, that DISC wasn't a German/ Austrian diskmag,
and now DISC is NOT a Norwegian diskmag. Before DISC had many articles
written in German, but that doesn't make the diskmag German/ Austrian.
It's true that a lot of the DISC team members came from Germany, but close
to none from Austria. And many article writers came from other european
countries than Germany. As for the DISC rights... we got permission to
release DISC a long time ago. Infact, we have been sitting on these rights
for more 3 years ago. And now Freshie, you have probably noticed that Gods
have taken over those rights So don't dare to write that "everyone gets his
chance", because this diskmag has always been ours! The mistakes you made
about the old DISC is not too big LamerZone, but what you write about the
"new" DISC is unforgiveable. Another thing is that DISC never died
peacefully... IRIS have been trying for many years now to make a good
comeback with DISC. The things that stopped us before was simply that we
tried too hard to get it perfect. And after one issue with IRIS, Gods took
over.
You wrote that the title pic of DISC "sucks deeply"... and where are those
"magic pictures from the Acme dudes?" Hmmm.... what's there to answec:to
such a shitty statement? Lets answer to the first part first. So the DISC
title picture sucks, eh? Well... not many sceners agree with you there.
Bridgeclaw/Gods is a very very good gfx-artist. He draws pictures real
fast with a stunning result. It's not a coincident that some of the best
amiga teams at the scene today have asked him to join, nor that he get new
job offers from different software companies at every party he attends.
Another thing is that Bridgeclaw is a professional designer/gfx-artist. In
addition to pixel great pictures at the computer, he also do great drawings
and paintings. And besides, Bridgeclaw has only been a part of the scene
for about 2 years. That's probably why you attacked his gfx. You hadn't
heard of him, and therefore you write bad things about his good gfx. It's
as simple as you attack people you don't think can defend themselves. I'll
come back to this later on in this article. The warrior picture in issue 9
of DISC was Bridgeclaw's second picture ever. His first picture ever came
third in the competition at the Rendezvous party. The winner was Fairfax,
and second came BCR... and as said Brc came third! So this talented gfx-
artist make pictures that sucks deeply, eh? Well... you really should get
your eyes checked. And what more is there to say... oh yes, what pictures
do you Freshie think is the best, DISCs title pic or the one made for the
diskmag you wrote your shitty article about DISC in? And what do you think
about Bridgeclaws title pictures in DISC 10 & 11? They suck too? At the
Gathering'95 Bridgeclaw won the gfx-competition easily over other
well-known graphicians. And as Gathering is one of the most repected
parties with a lot of attenders, this should prove once and for all that
Bridgeclaws work is great and you are wrong. In June '95 Bridgeclaw
released his first slideshow and another one will be out soon, so you
really shouldn't try to write bad things about great gfx, because now all
the sceners would know that you are a lier. The DISC title picture is
good, and not bad as you say. Just ask any serious graphician, Wastezone.
And now to the other part... the magic pictures from the Acme dudes. Eh?
Didn't you make another mistake there Rookie? So Acme did the title
pictures of DISC? This is totally new for me, and the others that have
been working with DISC. And do you know why? Because the "Acme dudes"
didn't make the gfx for DISC. No, they made gfx for another great diskmag
better known as Zine! Bad luck Hotshot, just another mistake... The Acme
graphicians also made gfx for other diskmags if I remember correctly, for
example ICE ? Infact Acme after a while became the main-editor team
together with Cytax. But did Acme make pictures for DISC? No way! DISC
didn't have title pictures!!! Those Acme dudes which you call them, did
some great work in the old days. They were among the very best then,
especially Mithrandir! But if you compare their graphics to the best
graphics there are today, guess who will easily win? And another thing...
The Acme graphicians... ok... let us mention some names, Mithrandir
(again) Airbrush, Charlie, Carnail etc. spent a lot of time finishing a
picture. At least they didn't release too many. Most of the new
graphicians make a lot of pictures each year, as for Brc he has made about
10 pictures of real high quality the last year, of course in addition to
plenty of fonts, logos, designs etc. If you still don't believe me, that
Bridgeclaw already now is better than those graphicians you think are the
best, then check out the Acme slideshow and compare it to the Gods
slideshow! Don't misunderstand me, the Acme graphicians were very good
when they released their gfx, infact those gfx- artist were some of the
first ones to draw real amazing pictures... not just those small simple
ones. Further on in your article Rookie, you wrote that our new DISC
design was ugly! Well, everyone are allowed to express their opinions, and
you didn't like our modern design. But "ugly like the night"? Ha ha ha...
yes, the night is probably ugly for you. As for the gfx from Bridgeclaw,
most of the people that don't like DISC have claimed that our design is
old, but you claim it was ugly in it's modern design. Once again I give
you the advice to compare our design with the one from your disk -mag.
DISC had a design like that for over 3 years ago, so we wanted to get a new
and better design now. You Freshie, also wrote that our news were old...
well, in issue nine of DISC we included about 80.000 bytes of news,
concerning a majority of the teams at the todays scene. As everybody can
understand it is extremely difficult to get two weeks old news from all of
those crews. But we did actually include some very HOT news also, infact 0
days old!! Anyway, in the future DISC will include less news I guess, and
hotter ones! Just check out DISC issue 10! BoyDaZone... you also wrote
that you "never knew there are so many unknown/unimportant groups". Sure
you didn't know... for what do you really know about the scene? Not much
it seems... Since you don't know much you really shouldn't comment on
things you know absolutely nothing about. Maybe you should be a part of
the scene for some more years before you open your big mouth again!?!
Always remember the old saying "Those of you who think you know everything,
are annoying to those who do". And another thing Rookie, is that you
should stop being so arrogant , firmly believing you know everything about
the scene, stop thinkingthat you have been a part of the scene for very
long, stop thinking that you are superior because none of the above are
true. Stop and THINK, for Christ sake! Even though other sceners keep a
lowprofile it doesn't mean that they have not been a part of the scene for
a real long time. I've been a part of the scene for many many years now,
but you Rookie didn't know who I was. That is also the reason why you
wrote the crap you did in your article. And this arrogant way of
behaving...unimportant crews? Ha! All crews are important... A crew
ain't more important even though some of its members got a big mouth,
Lamerboy. Don't think you are among the ELITE; because you write bullshit
in every diskmag and get known don't mean you are more important or better
than rest of the scene!
You wrote a lot of shit in your bad article Freshie, but one thing seem to
be true though. You wrote that DISC was the only diskmag until now that
has rejected your articles and NOT released them, and told you that you
were a bad article writer. I can easy imagine that Rookie... You see, the
DISC Team was quite smart in the past, and they actually thought that
quality counts. They probably wouldn't spread any of your lies. And I can
promise you that the DISC Team of today would not accept publishing your
articles either. If a scener writes bad English we can accept that, but if
he writes totally crap, then we will never ever publish the article.
Yes... all you that are still with us, those readers of this short
article, Freshie also wrote in his article that he wasn't interested in
which new groups that have been formed and which that have died. So what?
Most of the sceners are actually interested in getting news and info about
such events. After all, DISC stands for Digital Information Service for
Computer freaks! Maybe DISC ain't the best diskmag around anymore, that's
because the competition has sharpened up; so many great diskmags have been
released over the years. But we still supply the scene with nice and
interesting articles.
Rookie - you wrote that it was really unnecessary to write an article about
Shack/IRIS leaving the scene, because who want to know about a swapper
leaving the scene? Well, LamerBoy... First of all, his name is SHOCK and
secondly he was NOT a member of IRIS when he left the scene. And thirdly,
he was a musician. How wrong can you get? Try to write facts in the
future, I know it can be hard in the beginning but you will probably be
happy if you succeed! In any case, if you shoot at the moon and miss,
you'll still be in the stars.... that should be of comfort to you.
Now a thing that is real important though, you wrote that the friendship
question is outdated a long time ago?? WHAT??? Friendship is what the
scene is all about LamerBoy... even YOU should have noticed that! Yes,
many people have written articles about friendship in the past, but that
doesn't mean that the friendship topic is outdated!!! Think about it
Freshie, in real life... once there was a real article about pollution.
And now we shouldn't discuss that anymore either? Ha ha ha... Your way of
thinking is not thinking at all. You Rookie don't like that people are
still whining about diskstealers either. What a surprise! Ofcourse you
don't like that people are accusing you... and there are actually some
others that agree with you. They are probably just as friendish as
yourself, PorkDaBone! I've noticed that you hate every friendship movement
and friendship in generall. That's why you don't have friends either...
In your real short article Rookie you really managed to write A LOT of
bullshit. And some of it was: "it's embarrasing to see how some fools try
to give themselves a push by using a good name by not understanding
that they ain't capable to keep up the idea.". Fools? Yes, that is the
name you call everybody that aren't very known. Give ourselves a push?
You write like DISC ain't ours. The rights belong to us, and it is us that
have been working on it. Not capable to keep up the idea??? Hm... if you
knew how to read you would probably have noticed that DISC 9 was more or
less a preview. And as for issue 10, it was quite good. Yes, you should
have noticed (if you can see) that the DISC team included some new ideas on
how to make a diskmag. Unfortunately we didn't have time nor more space
left, to include all the new ideas, but there sure will be many many new
ideas in the next issues of DISC as well. They will probably be more
revolutioary than the animated gadgets and other ideas in issue 10 and the
few new ideas that will come in DISC 11. So, Lamerboy, you are wrong
again... as always! And don't tell us that we are delivering rubbish
Freshie, because you are such a excellent supplier yourself. It's not
necessary for us to copy your bullshit! (Eh? But we did it anyway in this
article... just for YOU!).
When it comes to "keeping up the idea", do you mean continue where the
"old" DISC ended and have the same ranking as then??? If you read diskmags
at the time when the DISC team released the last two issues of DISC (7 &
8), it was obvious that DISC was going down. The DISC Team didn't change
anything and the articles were getting worse and worse. Issue 8 was infact
very bad. Since it's evident that you've never read DISC nor gotten any
copies of it (somebody stole your disks?), you should read the reviews in
other diskmags released at that time. Stolen Data is probably something
for you, so check out the reviews in issue 7. That issue review the last
issue released of the "old" DISC. Stolen Data write that "DISC may find
itself falling behind the worst of the worst disk magazines scouring the
scene today". You Rookie are also adviced to read the contents rating of
that issue of Stolen Data. When it comes to rankings... DISC got ranked
as nr.7 in the last issue of The Charts, and it's still climbing. Right
after the release of issue 8 it was NOT that highly ranked! So we gave new
life to DISC and improved it! Now I hope you have learned that change is
the essential process of all existence.
You wrote one almost true thing also in your article, amazing really. You
wrote that DISC once was the nr.one diskmag. How did you know? Who told
you Rookie? Well, it's almost true what you wrote there, but only almost.
If I remember correctly DISC has only been nr.2 at the Eurocharts, but it
has been at the top at some less known charts though. Anyway, right now
it's a fact that there are better diskmags than DISC. But for how long?
Heh heh.. DISC will survive in the future also. And issue 10 was not bad
at all, infact it's one of the best mags at the scene at the moment. After
my opinion anyway... I'm of course having a hard time being objective, but
everyone that have any knowlegde at all about code, music, gfx and
contents, should know that the ones in DISC are good. And I hope that
issue 11 and 12 will get even better, at least we will release DISC more
often in the future. You can all wait for the next issue to be out in
March 1996!
When it comes to the rest of your shittrowing about DISC, like your Excuse
me , DISC! article in RAW 9... what's there to say? Ha ha ha... you're
taking some heavy drugs for sure. The article is nothing more than your
DISC - I Love You article crap recycled. You just repeat your own
bullshit. Running out of ideas? You also attacked Buzz in your last
article, and that's just what we could expect from a stupid coward like
you. I can't imagine what all the other mags see in your real bad
shit-trowing articles. You haven't been a part of the scene for a long
period of time now, have not got any new info about what's going on at the
scene today and this is reflected in all your articles. You have nothing
more to offer the scene, as you never had anything to offer at all. I've
read so many bad articles from you (yes, I don't know why I have really...
just because they have infected every mag at the scene) so it's real funny
to read your critics about Buzz for example. You critisize the CD reviews
in that mag. Have you forgot that you have written the same reviews?
Peter Gabriel? REM? Ha ha ha... you're not very smart, and your memory
is very bad.
Ok, I think it's better to end this article now. But before that I'll give
you RokDaZone (Yo man... rock the zone, HA!)... another advice. Before
you write about others, try to get to know yourself first: Gnothi
Sauton!!! And another thing... try to get a friend, that will most likely
change your opinions. Never ever come in our way again, or write untrue
things about anyone or anybody. For if you do, then you will surely regret
it!!! We will be watching you. As for your articles about DISC, it's
almost unforgiveable. BUT everyone can have bad days as for
article-writing (you seem to have plenty though). You could have been
extremely tired or very ill while writing your DISC articles... but never
try to repeat that rubbish! It made the DISC Team and our friends
furious!!! Now I'll just leave you alone...
As for the other readers of this article, I remind you that my article as
every other article in a diskmag, can't be 100% objective, but I got to
tell you that I tried. This article was mainly some "Argumentum ad Igonran
-tium".
To all sceners: Remember that the scene is all about having FUN and
developing FRIENDSHIP!!! Have a nice day!
BY ZEROX / GODS
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