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INDEX
01. List of internet Warez sites
02. CNet/4 has been sold to Ray Akey and Todd H.
03. FIDO folks.. get ready to see the recent Compuserve transcript from:Dave H.
04. Demolition '96 Results
05. SCENE WARS REPLY TO EVERYONE FROM DOOBA/SoC!
06. S A T U R N E P A R T Y I I I report
07. sIGN uP aND sEND yER nAME tO tHE bIGGEST aSCii aRTiST LiST iN thE wORLD!
08. NETWORK BBS BYe To aLL, iT's TiMe To Go
09. Der VODOO-CLUB ist erstmal wegen BUST-GEFAHR vorr³bergehend geschlossen !
10. Rave Nation and Sycres mAKES a nEW gROUP cALLED rNSc iNC.!
11. This is a MESSAGE to ALL sysops that use the BBS program S!X...!
12. Reply auf die Schwachsinnstexte die jemand unter meinem Namen released hat!
13. SIA INVITATION
14. Saturne paddey official results
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[1]
List of internet Warez sites
You wouldn't belive it.. there are actualy
some sites in there that work.
<H_man> Sites marked with a "@" are good.
<H_man> # @ # - BomB2 -> :ftp.nortel.net/pub/kerr
site
<H_man> # @ # - xx_ -> :139.78.114.95 d:warez
<H_man> #003# - xenix_ -> :~139.78.114.95
d:warez
<H_man> #004# - Dig_Logic -> :~131.247.120.10
.cache/.tmp/---
<H_man> # @ # - Shakez -> :~ftp.nortel.net
/pub/kerrisite/.rgd
<H_man> #006# - xchaos -> :143.162.217.217
dgwood pw: 93555
<H_man> # @ # - Dig_Logic -> :~132.234.11.32
e:/incoming/.cache/.logfile
<H_man> #008# - Shakez -> :~204.183.147.33
/skynet/files l:mwarren p:shadow
<H_man> # @ # - ||o|| -> :free.org:/users4/r/ror9
5 l:ror95 p:y0uw1sh
<H_man> #010# - ||o|| -> :free.org:/users4/r/ror9
5 l:ror95 p:y0uw1sh
<H_man> # @ # - merlyn -> :204.96.13.10
pub/incoming/.^F^A^T^E/..(10 spaces)
<H_man> #012# - Addicted -> :bowash.mcm.housing.w
ashington.edu p:nerf l:leia
<H_man> # @ # - _dMaN -> :132.234.11.32
/incoming/.cache/.logfile
<H_man> # @ # - xchaos_ -> :143.162.217.217
user: dgwwod pw: 93555 /pub/
<H_man> # @ # - _armadilo -> :~128.102.92.11
/files/april-drafts/test/dk/bios/_
<H_man> #016# - SLoV -> :ftp.nortel.net/pub/kerrs
ite/^[[rgd
<H_man> #017# - Duracel| -> :~ftp.fishnet.net
/incoming/argh...deleters/warez
<H_man> # @ # - SpiNNeR -> :bentley.univnorthco.e
du /incoming
<H_man> #019# - Wyvern_ -> :free.org l:ror95
p:y0uw1sh
<H_man> #020# - asl2 -> :crippled.dorknet.com
l:moron p:freshone
<H_man> #020# - asl2 -> :crippled.dorknet.com
l:moron p:freshone
<H_man> # @ # - damack -> :ftp.fagg.uni-lj.si
/pub/this will be erased!/ (WC ][ site)
<H_man> #022# - Manson666 -> :193.127.21.2
/pub/in.coming/
<H_man> #023# - DRaKoN -> :naic.nasa.gov
/files/april-drafts/test/dk/bios/_
<H_man> #024# - FLiZZo -> :131.247.120.10
/.cache/.tmp/---/.Appz/
<H_man> #025# - Addicted -> :ftp.nortel.net/pub/k
errsite/^[[rgd
<H_man> #026# - BeLcH -> :~131.247.120.10
C:PUBLIC.cache.tmp---
<H_man> #027# - Hmm -> :131.247.120.10
/.cache/.tmp/---/.Appz/
<H_man> #028# - Hmm -> :131.247.120.10
/.cache/.tmp/---/.Appz/
<H_man> #029# - Addicted -> :ftp.nortel.net/pub/k
errsite/^[[rgd
<H_man> #030# - DRaKoN -> :143.162.217.217
l:dgwood P:93555 /pub
<H_man> #031# - XyKo -> :204.120.6.2 /pub/eudora/
. [A/.RGD/
<H_man> End of the list!
<H_man> DRaKoN posted >032<::204.120.6.2
/pub/eudora/. [A/.RGD/
<H_man> DRaKoN posted >033<::204.120.6.2
/pub/eudora/. [A/.RGD/
* Logging #dogbutt to: [#dogbutt.log]
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[2]
CNet/4 has been sold to Ray Akey and Todd H.
Knight, both well-known dudes in the CNet
scene. All updates from 4.10 on will be done
by "ZenMetal" software.
It has been a while, but that is because there really has not be to report on.
Now, there is, but I've been holding my tongue until I got an OFFICIAL message
from the new owners of C-Net, Yes, NEW Owners. Well, I've not gotten a
response yet, and now its all over Fido, so I'm not waiting any longer,
This text file came with the C-Net 4.1 software:
-= CNET AMIGA PROFESSIONAL BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEM V4.1 =-
Continued development by Ray Akey and Todd H. Knight.
Now coded by Ray Akey under the auspices of ZenMetal Software.
NOTE: Please check out the AmigaGuide (.guide) version of this file. It
contains a little more info than the text-only version. Future releases will
contain a .guide version only.
First, let me give a gracious and heart-felt thanks to Ken Pletzer for
making CNet Amiga what it is today, and for giving Todd and myself the
opportunity to continue CNet's development in the same direction as
planned by himself but with an expanded outlook. Under our wing, CNet will
also have a new outlook towards even more network integration and Internet
connectivity. Also planned under the ZenMetal moniker is multi-tier support,
from the current Fidonet and C-Link connections to "Zen/Metal internet
support" and worldwide dealer support.
Also, please allow me to thank all those who have remained patient
with Escom/Amiga Technologies, (and now Viscorp) and the Amiga when others
were jumping ship - developers and users alike. Also to those who stuck by
CNet when Ken had no time for support in the same magnitude to which you/we
had become accustomed. Those who know me, know of my unwavering dedication to
development for AmigaDOS, Workbench and CNet Amiga. This very premise will
not change for quite a long time to come.
..to quote a line from one of my favorite movies, "They're heeeeeeeeeere!"
Ray.
(Now, on to the meat of things..)
Changes/Fixes for v4.1
----------------------
1. CNet/Control now has possible two iconified states. If Workbench is
loaded, Control iconifies to an AppIcon. If the AppIcon cannot be opened,
the old "Perspective C" window will be used.
2. Related to the above, the default AppIcon imagery is the "Perspective C"
image. You can have your own icon imagery used for the AppIcon if you
create and save your icon as CNET:AppIcon.info. Included in this
distribution is a file called CNetAppIcon.info. Copy it to CNET: as
AppIcon.info to use it. It is a nice 3d-looking AppIcon image for CNet.
3. Added appicon position setting to Config's "Display" settings. Click
on the "Appicon" cycle gadget to open a small "Move me!" window. Place
the window where you want your CNet/Control Appicon to appear when
iconified and then click again on the same button (now having the text
"Close position window") to save your icon position. The appicon is
immediately notified of your changes and moves to it's new location.
4. CNet/Control menus were altered slightly to allow for easier future
expansion. The changes are mostly in the visual ordering of the menu
items. Please be aware that some menu items received new Amiga-key
equivalents/short-cuts.
5. Fixed bug in "Missing" that popped up "please insert volume udbasex:".
This was a hold-over from the days when CNet used a UDBaseX: assignment.
(addendum: this problem was also simultaneously corrected by Mr. Pletzer
in the v4.08 public release)
6. Missing no longer attempts to check non-file/message list objects.
(addendum: this problem was also simultaneously corrected by Mr. Pletzer
in the v4.08 public release)
7. GO argument is now displayed when a user enters a subboard.
8. Fixed bug that caused problems when attempting to run a port while that
port is already running. (ie. "run bbs port 3" while port 3 is already
loaded).
9. CNet no longer pops up requesters when moving files from subboard to
subboard and the destination partition becomes full. CNet simply
states that the file could not be moved.
SOME THINGS TO BE AWARE OF FOR THE FUTURE
-----------------------------------------
Note: There will be two more public releases of the current CNet version for
v4.0x-registered users that registered prior to ZenMetal's purchase of
the CNet AMIGA entity. One will be bug fixes, if any are required
and the next will contain some more new features to let you know see
that we are indeed serious about this project. We do this as a measure
of good faith and to let you all know that we are serious about CNet
AMIGA and plan many tiers of support, from FTN networks such as Fidonet
and C-Link to at least TWO support sites on the internet with FTP
accounts for registered SysOps to download their updates.
V4.5 will be the first official ZenMetal pay-release. It will contain
many new features and hooks to allow better net-connectivity and as time
passes more and more of the restrictions in the current version(s)
will be removed. 4.0x-registered sysops will be charged a small
fee (in the area of $20-$30 US dollars). V4.5 will have different
keyfiles as well so, once again, you will have to contact us for
your key. We'll give details on that in the next release. Faxes
will be set up for this purpose also.
A CNet demo will be available soon although, technically, the current
release should function as a demo without the keyfile.
There is an official support network set up between each of the support
BBS' mentioned below. You may make bug reports, suggestions, get
current pricing information and make constructive complaints about/for
CNet Development in the "ATechNet" subboards located in the CNet
Support area of those bulletin board systems.
If you have any immediate concerns or complains, please netmail your
query to one of the following network addresses or contact one of the
support systems mentioned in the "Bug Reports/Support" section and we'll
get back to you ASAP:
Ray Akey@1:246/74.0
rakey@netrover.com
Todd H. Knight@1:246/90.0
thknight@netrover.com
Main Development/Bug Reports/Support/Key-Registration
-----------------------------------------------------
Metal Software/The Metal Shoppe BBS
Attn: Ray Akey
411 Bridge Ave.
Windsor, ON
Canada N9B 2M3
BBS: (519) 256-0278
(519) 255-7378
Main Sales/Support/Suggestions/Bug Reports
-------------------------------------
Zen Computing/FreeSpace:Negative BBS
Attn: Todd Knight
100 Erie St.S.
Leamington, ON
Canada N8H 3B3
BBS: (519) 322-0450
Auxiliary (U.S.) Sales/Support
------------------------------
The Rat's Edge BBS
Attn: Neil Palumbo
---
Amiga, C=, Commodore and Amiga Technologies are trademarks of Escom/AG.
SAS/C is Copyright (c) 1988-1995 SAS Institute, Inc.
CNet Amiga is copyright ZenMetal Software.
Please note that there are both Fido net and Internet address listed (a
message in Fido stated that there were no addresses listed). Damn I hate being
the last one to put out the big news!
David
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[3]
FIDO folks.. get ready to see the recent Compuserve transcript from:
(drum roll please)
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| |_| | (_| |\ V / __/ | _ | (_| | |_| | | | | | __/
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Standard disclaimer is that this transcript is made for public consumption,
and that no profit can be obtained from it. Permission was granted from
all the Compuserve posters to redistribute this in the public domain.
This transcript was edited by myself, Jon Guidry. I can be netmailed at
1:3803/11 (within FIDOnet) or e-mailed at guidryjd@occ-uky.campus.mci.net.
This conference was held on 6-Mar-96 at 10PM EST until about 2 AM EST.
This transcript is mostly the original thing, only minor editing was done
to it. So, have fun! :)
- Begin Transcript -
(1-10,Asha) Hi Y'all! :)
(1-7,Agamotto (RHMIII)) /twiddle
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Asha!!!!!
(1-10,Asha) (giggle)
(1-10,Asha) Is that you Holly? Or are you Jeff?
(1-7,Agamotto (RHMIII)) Hey, ahsa, we get to chat live
(1-6,Jon Guidry) mixed identity crisis? :)
(1-4,Holly Sullivan) It's me, Jeff's on the 3, checking the fidomail. he just
got home.
(1-4,Holly Sullivan) <snicker>
(1-7,Agamotto (RHMIII)) schizoid bisexual?
(1-4,Holly Sullivan) <SNICKER>
(1-10,Asha) Agamotto: Is that your real name? If not, please change it
(1-7,Agamotto (RHMIII)) fido was light today, gave me a chance to catch up
(1-6,Jon Guidry) I just hop on the Internet and get my FIDOmail ;)
(1-4,Holly) Fido's never light when you read as many echos as I do. :)
(1-4,Holly) Jon: you're beinbg disgusting again. ;)
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III]) Asha: that better?
(1-10,Asha) Agamotto: Please change to your real name (/name Yourname)
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Holly: why? It's just a standard ppp account :)
(1-4,Holly) Jon: I don't get my mail thru the net, I have to wait for Planet
C. :p
(1-10,Asha) RH: Sure if you want to be called RH
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Holly: there's a message explaining it that should be out
RSN on the AMIGA echo
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) /name Randy Murdock III
(1-4,Holly) Jon: :)
(1-6,Jon Guidry) so who else is supposed to be here? Where's Skal?
(1-4,Holly) Skal's on tour with Bob Seger.
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) I keep myself down to 12 echos, any more and my dog
would starve
(1-4,Holly) I think he left his Amiga at home. :(
(1-10,Asha) Joyce is here!
(1-4,Holly) WHERE?
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) Not to mention having to empty the bit bucket
(1-6,Jon Guidry) yea, where?
(1-10,Asha) Holly in the forum, on her way!
(1-4,Holly) get a bigger bit bucket ;)
(1-13,Roy) Hello ALL :)
(1-14,Michael Webb) Could someone tell me how to pass commands to CIS in
the conference room?
(1-4,Holly) Ahhhh.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) my bit bucket is full :)
(1-4,Holly) Jon: I can imagine. ;)
(1-13,Roy) Michael - Always us a back slash /
(1-4,Holly) Hiya Roy!
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Roy? :)
(1-14,Michael Webb) That's a normal slash you typed: which?
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) I am still deciding on which 1
(1-4,Holly) Michael: the one by the right shift key.
(1-13,Roy) Michael the one I typed
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) Gig drive to get, then probably a zip drive
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) Anyone hear about peterK confirming that someone
is working on AGA
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) for non machines
(1-14,Michael Webb) thanks for zee help
(1-13,Roy) Michael - Then if you need help type /help
(1-14,Michael Webb) No one else sees the output, do they?
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) not here at any rate
(1-10,Asha) Micheal: they shouldn't
(1-6,Jon Guidry) question: when you do a /users, why do the numbers skip?
I'm 6, there's a 7, but no 8 or 9
(1-14,Michael Webb) Ok. I'm properly oriented now. Thanks.
(1-4,Holly) Michael: nope, just you.
(1-13,Roy) Michael - NO the slash will stop the output
(1-10,Asha) Randy: When you last tried changing your name to Randy, it didn't
take
(1-7,R.H. Murdock III) /name Randy Murdock III
(1-10,Asha) Jon: Cause those are the job numbers, people can be in other
parts of the
(1-10,Asha) forums
(1-4,Holly) Jon: I guess as people login and out, their numbers change.
(1-13,Roy) Jon - try /user all
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Asha: ah okay
(1-6,Jon Guidry) there we go :)
(1-10,Asha) Randy: Still didn't work.. try /han Randy...etc.
(1-9,Joyce D.) Hello, All!
(1-10,Asha) Hiya Joyce! :)
(1-4,Holly) Hiya Joyce!!
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) /han Randy Murdock III
(1-14,Michael Webb) Hiya, Joyce!
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Joyce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(1-15,Maria) /name worked for me.
(1-13,Roy) Hi Joyce
(1-10,Asha) Randy, workeD!
(1-15,Maria) hi all
(1-10,Asha) Hi Maria!
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) oK, whew, I love learning new softs
(1-9,Joyce D.) ROY: Is this a Roy I know? ;)
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) /who roy
(1-15,Maria) hi Asha
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Joyce: took time off ure hectic schedule?
(1-13,Roy) Joyce - Don't know - I was just figure you out too :)
(1-5,Eric Douglas) How many minutes to dave.
(1-9,Joyce D.) Holly: So, do you have Jeff & Todd hanging over your
shoulder?
(1-4,Holly) Bunch of lurkers tonight
(1-10,Asha) Eric: According to my clock, 3
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) not lurking...just treading water until Dave shows
up :)
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) Any conferences coming up on the IRC anytime soon?
(1-4,Holly) Joyce: Can think of better places. (EG)
(1-6,Jon Guidry) it's 9pm on Terminus's clock :)
(1-9,Joyce D.) Jon: Howdy! Took a quick peek at the echo--no one's
bashing any one too badly!
(1-4,Holly) It's 7:02 thanks. :)
(1-4,Holly) And almost Joyce's bedtime. ;)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) 6:59 by my watch
(1-6,Jon Guidry) it's only 9pm here :)
(1-10,Asha) When Dave does show up, I'd like this NOT to start a free for
all
(1-15,Maria) Terminus? as in the First Foundation?
(1-20,tom) Hello, all. I'm new to the forum - trying to setup AmiTCP on
my 1200.
(1-20,tom) ideas?
(1-9,Joyce D.) Holly: What, one of my boytoys is here? ;)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) 7pm here :)
(1-10,Asha) I'd like people to let me introduce him, and, when it's time,
post a ? when
(1-10,Asha) you want to ask Dave a question
(1-13,RoyP.) Asha - are you going FORMAL CO rules
(1-9,Joyce D.) 8:59 PM here
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) Ok, I'll be polite, only 2000 questions >-]
(1-6,Jon Guidry) tom: I have 4.2 registered. Works nice. A1200 too :)
(1-4,Holly) Joyce: YOu tell ME. :) The boytoys on this end are caressing
the 'Miggys.
(1-18,Mr C) Hi everybody
(1-10,Asha) Roy: Semi-formal, I'd like to avoid chaos
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) Tom: I gave up o it after three months on my 3000
(1-20,tom) Jon: I'm using a text file put out by Lothar Bartsch to set it
up - what
(1-13,RoyP.) Hello Mr. C
(1-20,tom) did you do?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) tom: 4.2's setup was automated.. right down to ppp.device
(1-4,Holly) Folks, listen to Asha re: the conf rules!
(1-15,Maria) bummer....I have a A3000 should I just give up too?
(1-20,tom) Jon: was that the commercial version? I'm using the demo.
(1-10,Asha) Mr. C: Please change to your real name (first would be fine
with us)
(1-6,Jon Guidry) tom: yeah... $99 :)
(1-10,Asha) ATTENTION!!!!
(1-12,Stuart) <velcroing lips>
(1-10,Asha) Thanks!
(1-4,Holly) AmiTCP is easy to setup. at least InterInstall worked great
for me. :)
(1-4,Holly) .
(1-20,tom) Jon: where did you pick it up (and does it give www graphics?)
(1-10,Asha) This is about to become a semi-formal conference.
(1-10,Asha) TOM!! Please!!
(1-10,Asha) I'd appreciate it, if, after Dave shows up, any other
conversations go
(1-10,Asha) private or cease.
(1-5,Eric Douglas) can we make faces at him?
(1-10,Asha) I'd like this to be an orderly and polite conference.
When someone is
(1-10,Asha) answering or asking a question, please let them finish before
asking another.
(1-10,Asha) Eric: Yes you can as long as you don't type them in...:)
(1-10,Asha) Ok?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) <Jon bows in respect for Asha>
(1-18,Dave H) Yo!
(1-10,Asha) Dave's in the Conference room! :)
(1-21,Joanne Calhoun) Hello, how do I get a name
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) applause from all :)
(1-18,Dave H) I seem to have gotten telnet to work.
(1-12,Stuart) Yay Dave!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) you're the expert!
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) Isn't telnet fun?
(1-18,Dave H) Yup
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) asha, you start; we're all tongue tied :)
(1-9,Joyce D.) (in awe)
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) I was just being polite...
(1-10,Asha) I'd like to welcome Dave Haynie to our conference. Words
fail to say how we all appreciate his continued devotion to our computer
of choice. Perhaps Dave has something to say before we open the floor to
questions?
(1-18,Dave H) I guess I should thank everyone for coming out tonight, and
for sticking by the Amiga through some rought times. It hasn't been easy
for any of us. In fact, the stress of these past few years did in both my
car and my cat Iggy these past 6 months. Maybe better times lie ahead. ga
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) ?
(1-9,Joyce D.) ?
(1-10,Asha) Randy: ga
(1-15,Maria) ?
(1-21,Joanne) Sorry bout Iggy.
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) Sorry to hear about Iggy. How are things at SCALA?
(1-18,Dave H) Scala may actually turn a profit this year. They certainly
have had some lean times, but the AT bundle has certainly been a
welcome surprise. They will have a PC product out in May, essentially the
level of MM400 on the Amiga. There has been a port to one set-top box as
well, but the folks behind that box have had technical problems unrelated
to the Scala pieces, so that's delayed. For those who haven't been
following Scala, the group I'm with, in Exton PA, was formed out of the
ashes of Commodore to build a portable, Multimedia-capable OS to run
Scala apps on top. This is because, aside fro the Amiga, nothing we looked
at could do real multimedia. That was started over two years ago and is
now just nearing completion. ga
(1-6,Jon Guidry) ?
(1-5,Eric Douglas) ?
(1-10,Asha) Joyce: ga
(1-21,Joanne) Excuse me, what about the rumors flying around about Escom?
(1-18,Dave H) Such as?
(1-9,Joyce D.) First of all I want to say I'm honored to share your
ASCII! :-) (And invite you to the Fidonet AMIGA echo where people who
love the Amiga like to hang out ::shameless plug::) I'd like to know
what projects you're currently working on and whether ESCOM has approached
you about consulting.
(1-18,Dave H) Projects I'm working on...
(1-6,Jon Guidry) distribute this conf transcript. Do we have your
permission?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) oops.. :)
(1-18,Dave H) At Scala, I developed their class compiler, which is
necessary to manage the Scala object model. It's a bit C++ program, useful
as hell at Scala but not exactly as cool as "hey, come seem my new computer"
type stuff I did at C=. On my own, of course, there's has been DiskSalv 3,
4, and the Deathbed Vigil. I'm working on a music project, and possibly
some audio software at some point ('040s aren't really fast enough). I have
been in touch with Amiga Technologies, and I'm offering my input into the
architecture of Power Amiga systems. They do have a group doing systems
design under contract, so it' snot like I'm moving to Germany or anything.
But I suppose I do have a long-term big picture view they can't get easily
elsewhere. One of the big problems with the Amiga, and also the fun, is
that "the mainstream" doesn't build systems that way. So if you want to
make Amigas, you pretty much need Amiga people.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-21,Joanne) ?
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) ?
(1-23,Jon Eriquezzo) (Thank God for Disk Salve!)
(1-5,Eric Douglas) ?
(1-10,Asha) Jon Guidy: ga
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Dave: has there ever been any other plans for the PCMCIA
port other than memory? I've been scrounging all over
(1-6,Jon Guidry) did my whole question get through? :)
(1-18,Dave H) The PCMCIA port is a general purpose 16-bit I/O port. It
certainly will handle modems. I don't know of any effort at C= or AT to
write drivers for any specific modem card. That seems like something
that's a good 3rd party project, since the cards are plentiful, getting
cheap (they weren't back when the A600 came out), and a driver is the
kind of thing a garage shop company could develop and sell along with a
modem card for far, far less than a C= or At ever could have.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-26,Mr Challeron) ?
(1-14,Mike Webb) ?
(1-10,Asha) Eric Douglas: ga
(1-2,Frederic Ericksen) `s
(1-5,Eric Douglas) the foloowing I have is unforimed. Do you wish to hear it
I would like to get your feedback on it.
(1-18,Dave H) It's your dime!
(1-5,Eric Douglas) The sam report I got came out of miami fl. It said that on
march 3 escom stock trading was suspended. What do you see for the future
of a this is unconfired, but would like any news you might have
(1-18,Dave H) I know absolutely nothing about Escom finances. I have enough
trouble with my own.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-6,Jon Guidry) heh
(1-23,Jon Eriquezzo) ?
(1-10,Asha) Joanne: ga
(1-12,Stuart) <g>
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) ?
(1-21,Joanne) Hi, The rumors about Escom and AT are flying. Any concerns?
(1-18,Dave H) Rumors have been flying in the Amiga industry since 1985.
Sometimes bad ones proved to be true, and when that happens, it's bad for
the Amiga. Most of the rumors in the past were not true, and I don't
really expect that to change either. My best advice is to regard rumors
as noise -- you can't really learn anything from them, good or bad. ga
(1-13,RoyP) ?
(1-10,Asha) Bronwen Pitchford: ga
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) do we have permission to distribute this to our
friendswho weren't lucky enough to be here tonight? to repeat Jon's
question...
(1-18,Dave H) That's up to CI$
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) er, asha?
(1-4,Holly) ?
(1-5,Eric Douglas) ?
(1-18,Dave H) (eg, it's fine with me)
(1-10,Asha) For those interested, to repost, you'll need to get permission
form each person who posts here in the conference. You can do this by
typing it
(1-9,Joyce D.) <Joyce waves all rights to distribute her post>
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) I freely give my permission now
(1-10,Asha) privately /# message
(1-6,Jon Guidry) to me
(1-21,Joanne) Joanne Calhoun gives permission.
(1-10,Asha) Asha DeVelder gives permission
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) bronwen pitchford gives permission
(1-14,Mike Webb) Mike Webb gives permission
(1-13,RoyP) Roy Pahnke gives permission
(1-4,Holly) the one and only Holly Sullivan gives her permission. :)
(1-5,Eric Douglas) eric douglas no problem.
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) (maybe we should save this for the end...?)
(1-10,Asha) Ok....the rest in private please!
(1-18,Dave H) Dave Haynie gives permission, and needs another beer...
(1-19,bruce) bruce cooke gives permission.
(1-4,Holly) ?
(1-10,Asha) Mr Challeron: ga
(1-26,Mr Challeron) Dave: How do you view AT's efforts to "mainstream" the
Amiga, i.e., with PPC chip, OS porting, etc?
(1-18,Dave H) AT is doing the right things.
(1-18,Dave H) Before C= folded, I was looking into using more standard
parts, going to RISC for extra performance, PCI bus for standard cards,
etc. These are all good and necessary moves. At the high end at least,
a Power Amiga can be PPCP compliant, so you can run any PPC OS on it.
That's extra security for Amiga fans who are nervous about buying a new
system. That will let Escom sell systems to people who would never buy
AmigaOS systems, and perhaps turn a few on to the AmigaOS in the process.
That will make it easier for Amigaoids to get Amigas past the corporate
system-censors. And it'll allow 3rd parties like Macrosystems, Phase 5,
etc. to make real Amiga clones if they like. Everyone wins. ga
(1-10,Asha) ?
(1-10,Asha) Mike Webb: ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) typing...
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) I would like to say, that as a "visually challenged"
person, the Amiga is the only OS that has been very friendly at all.
(1-14,Mike Webb) In reference to the consultation with AT, what do you think
they should do with the next generation of Amigas as far as
graphics/video/sound hardware (custom chipset vs. graphics board, etc.)
are concerned?
(1-18,Dave H) Strangely enough, the next generation "multimedia subsystem"
is one of the things they're asking me to look into. I have plenty of
ideas; there are things being done now at both established chip companies
and startups that are as far beyond the Amiga chipsets (even AAA) as the
original Amiga was above PClone stuff at the time. These things will
show up from time to time on PClones, but no one's really going to take
advantage of anything on a PC that doesn't fall neatly into a Windows API.
The Amiga has no such constraints -- it's whatever its designers say it
is, in HW and SW. ga
(1-10,Asha) Jon Eriquezzo: ga
(1-23,Jon Eriquezzo) I've recently joined TEAM AMIGA <G>, and I fill out
every question card that comes my way. my question is can you recommend
a good way to let AT know what AMIGA users want and need? ga
(1-18,Dave H) Skal told me the Team Amiga story...
(1-18,Dave H) The AT folks are on the nets. Dr. Peter, Mick, and others
will see what you write, at least in the newsgroups on the Internet. And
you could certainly write them, though having been in that position, I'll
tell you that too much of that kind of thing results in most of it being
chucked. There's just not enough time in the day to look at what everyone
has to say. Also, users not experienced in the art of computer design have
a tendency to ask for a trip to the moon at trip-to-Hoboken prices. There
will be some program, administered by AT, to actually (hold your breathe)
do some research into this. They are meeting with users and developers.
Most of this action is in Europe, going on during CeBit, and I don't know
all the details. But it's progress, more than C= generally did, and
blessed all the way up to the top. ga
(1-12,Stuart) <mumbles> Super-cooled hypercube for $299
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) cool beans...
(1-10,Asha) RoyP: ga
(1-13,RoyP) A question -- and then a follow up Please...
(1-13,RoyP) With the announcement by Orical (sp?) of the NETBox (or whatever
itis call)... How do you see AT Surfer Pac competing and have you seen
the Browser. ga
(1-18,Dave H) Oracle, for those who don't know, has announced a thing they
call the Network Computer. This puppy is based on a ARM CPU, 8MB of RAM,
4MB or so of Flash ROM, television display, and a V34 modem (cable modems
to follow). It runs a browser and perhaps Java code. Sun is working on a
similar thing, and Apple has been scrambling to reposition their "Pippin"
architecture (which they don't plan to release themselves) as a similar
thing. The target price for these guys is $500. That's a bit more than
the Surfer Pac of today sure, and I suspect right out of the box a Network
Computer might make a slightly better network system than the Surfer. And
yet, is that really what you want? Especially in Europe or South Jersey,
where you pay for connect time from the phone company to get to your ISP,
even if he's giving you a flat rate, you're going to find the crossover
point quickly. I had a $140 phone bill last month; I pretty much hit that
crossover point monthly. Not to mention ISP storage. Today, most ISPs
don't charge for storage, since after all, you don't put much more than
a Web page and your pending mail up there, except for a few dinosaurs
still using shell-only accounts. But just wait until the whole schemmeggie
is sold in terms of on-line storage. You can bet they start to charge for
it. I pretty much pegged the mainframe concept as a dead end 17 years
ago when I started playing with microcomputers. I don't see it as
realistic that it comes back. Plus, I think a low-end PowerAmiga will be
a whole lot more competitive with these Network Computers. And they'll
also play kick-ass stand-alone games, they'll let you edit text, record
MIDI, program, etc. Maybe NC's will be a fad, maybe they'll catch on in
corporations. But the Amiga will kick their butts as long as AT hangs in
there and gets the job done.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-21,Joanne) ?
(1-7,Randy Murdock III) I'll take my 3000, thank you... Have to go, thanks
Asha, Dave for being here!
(1-10,Asha) Roy: did you have a followup?
(1-13,RoyP) Speaking of "low-end". Have you ever heard talk of developing,
possibly...a "Mid-Range" PowerAmiga like a new A2000 size box.
(1-4,Holly) ?
(1-18,Dave H) I don' know that an A2000-sized box is necessarily
"mid-range". In the traditional C= terms, a low-end system is clearly a
highly integrated, A1200-type thing with some machine-specific expansion.
Any box-with-slots-and-external-keyboard thing in the A2000 mold I would
peg at "mid-to-high", but I really don't see multiple systems to start
with, just different bundles. You put a slower CPU in there, you have
your midrange system. Put in a 604 and some cache, you're high-end, but
still cheaper than today's high-end.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Eric Douglas: ga
(1-5,Eric Douglas) What is your idea on what the amiga will be like in 2
years, and what is the most promising news you have heard about anything.
(1-18,Dave H) I would hope that in early 1998, AT has sold their first
million Power Amigas, the OS is now totally PowerPC code (at least as much
as that matters, legacy stuff might stay in 68K code as it does on the
Mac), etc. Your low end machine goes for about $500on the street, while
mid and high end systems start at $1200 or so. Two companies so far have
entered the "Amiga Clone" market, shipping the PPCP version of AmigaOS
as standard on their systems. The basic Power Amiga of the time does at
least 1280x1024 noninterlaced graphics, 24-bit if you spring for the
graphics memory. It can also do NTSC and PAL, and it can do MPEG playback,
full screen at 30fps. It has some 3D support hardware as standard for
graphics, as well as the fast blitter. General MIDI and 16-bit digital
audio I/O are also standard. That's what I can hope, and none of that
is impossible. I guess the most encouraging news so far has been that
AT asked me about this stuff, so I have some idea that this might
actually happen. ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) ?
(1-10,Asha) Holly: ga
(1-4,Holly) Thanks. Dave, you mentioned you were working on music.. What
I was wondering, what is it, something Scala-related or ?? (nosy me)
(1-4,Holly) ga
(1-18,Dave H) No, the music stuff is just one of my many personal projects.
I've been into music, listening and writing for years, but never had the
time or equipoment to get anything done.
(1-4,Holly) Ahh.. Hmmm, what's up with projects at Scala? (looking at a
Scala box on my shelf.) :)
(1-18,Dave H) Like I said before, the Scala MM100 for the PC is supposed to
be out in May. This was a total redesign, which gives you a somewhat
more refined MM400-class program on standard PC hardware. The way this
works is that Scala wrote their own portable 32-bit, multimedia friendly,
object-oriented OS to host Scala stuff on, and they put as much of that
as necessary on the target system. The bottom line was that, once you left
the Amiga, multimedia support pretty much went away, at least the way we
rekon "multimedia" on the Amiga. There's another port currently on a major
digital television set-top box, and more on the way in '96. This is
good in some ways, though the extra layers make the system slower than the
finely tuned Amiga versions. But it's very portable, so they could do a
Power Amiga version no problem, should The Management decide that's a
good target to support (eg, in becoming a "real company", this isn't a
decision in Engineering's hands, though virtually everyone in Engineering
is from the Amiga industry). ga
(1-10,Asha) Asha: ga <g>
(1-10,Asha) Dave: A couple of related questions
(1-10,Asha) Have you seen the Surfer software? And do you like it?
(1-10,Asha) Also, do you know anything about an Amiga port/licence for Java?
ga
(1-13,RoyP) ?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) ? too :)
(1-18,Dave H) I haven't seen it all. I played with the VooDoo mail program,
and it's by far the best mail program I have seen on any platform, IMHO.
I haven't used the browser yet; my Amiga to internet is fairly low
bandwidth right now, no one supports Telebit modems anymore. I have a
fast modem on the PC, and ethernet, so I may eventually have a router
set up so I can use this stuff. Or I'll break down and buy a real V34
modem -- thing having just bought a car that's a problem (free cash),
and in the next year I may have a much better internet hookup...
As far as Java, I've heard from a few folks on the net who claim to be
actively involved in an Amiga port. While I'm from Jersey, not Missouri,
I'll still fell better when they can show me, but it does sound like
something is happening.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Thanks!
(1-10,Asha) Joanne: ga
(1-21,Joanne) Anything about P'jami and 4.0 OS, are they due out soon? ga
(1-18,Dave H) I don't know; I assume 4.0 is being kept for the PowerAmiga
OS. Pieces may show up from Phase 5 before then (Phase 5 and AT are
trying to estabish some dialog, so efforts aren't duplicated). They're
still making software decisions, some of which pertains to the
distribution model of the OS in its early days. The official goalfar as
I know is Power Amiga in 1Q97, which implies an offical OS release. There
could be developer stuff long before then (the BeBox model).
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Mike Webb: ga
(1-5,Eric Douglas) ?
(1-14,Mike Webb) Is there any chance you could tell us any general
information about the specifications of the AAA chipset?
(1-21,Joanne) Thanks gotta go. A real pleasure. :)
(1-18,Dave H) Sure. First of all, the AAA chipset was never finished. We had
prototypes that were flawed, but did some real stuff, though they weren't
functional enough to run the OS. New revisions of each of the four chips
had been taped out. The AAA chipset was a 32/64-bit implementation of
the Amiga architecture. It maintained as much register-level compatibility
as possible with the OCS chipset, while adding zillions of 32-bit
registers. It consists of four chips: Andrea, Linda, Monica, and Mary.
Andrea is the Agnus analog, Monica the new Denise, and Mary replace Paula.
Linda is a double-buffered line buffer, which makes it possible to run
pixels and the chip bus at differen clock rates, and also does some neat
compression tricks. There are two AAA system configurations. A 32-bit
systems consists of one of each chip. A 64-bit system is made using two
Linda and two Monica chips. Chip RAM can be DRAM or VRAM; VRAM runs pixels
twice as fast and eliminates display DMA from the chip bus proper. A 64-bit
VRAM system can run 1280x1024 at around 11-12 bits/pixel at 60Hz, and
many other resolutions are possible, including all your AA favorites.
The system supports planar displays to 16-bit, as well as chunky displays,
HAM8, HAM10, and HAM8-chunky. The 8 sprites still exist, and can go up to
128-bits wide. There's also a single bit overlay, and you can have dual
8-bit playfields too. 24-bits/pixel is supported as "byte-planes", which
we called "hybrid" pixels (a little chunky, a little planar). The blitter
and copper do 32-bit as well as the old 16-bit stuff. 32-bit blits are
pixel addressed, and there are new blitter operations, like add, add with
saturation, sort, and tally. Blits can use long bursts, so you get 32-bits
moved in 70ns, rather than today's 16-bits moved in 280ns. The copper has
a move multiple instruction, and a blitter interrupt (eg, copper lists can
very cleanly feed the blitter new instructions). The audio supports 8
channels, 16-bits/sample with rates up to some 100kHz. Channels don't pan,
but can be assigned left or right. No synthesis is available on-chip.
Audio output can be divided by 2 or 4 to avoid clipping in the mix, and an
18-bit digital ouput is also available. Floppy handles standard 1MB, 2MB,
and 4MB discs with or without real sectors. It also handles the CD-ROM
encoding, RLL, and some digital radio format. It's technically fast enough
for 1x CD-ROM or ST-506 hard disks. There are two buffered serial ports.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) Well, you said just about everything. Thanks. I've been
wanting to know for awhile.
(1-10,Asha) RoyP: ga
(1-13,RoyP) This is a question for JimDoc, who couldn't be here...
(1-13,RoyP) He asks about Development on a DiskSalv for AFS...
(1-13,RoyP) Wants to go for the AFS-Pro but is waiting for a DiskSalv to
work with it. ga
(1-18,Dave H) Well, there's a provisional DiskSalv 4 release, in the hands of
Fourth Level Development for about two months now. It does Salvage only on
AFS partitions, and that Salvage in all honesty could be better (much of
the problem is finding good stuff under AFS, the traditional Amiga file
systems' use of a distributed directory structure may annoy you with the
99.99% of use for directory listings and all,but it's a beautiful thing
for that 0.01% of the time you're recovering failed stuff). I do intend
to improve the Salvage and add fix-in-place. Other things, like a trip or
two to Germany for example, have made my time on DS4 kind of scarce
recently, so some of these things haven't happened yet. I do intent to
get to them as time permits. ga
(1-10,Asha) Jon Guidry: ga
(1-13,RoyP) Thank u Dave. Keep up the good (no GREAT) work that you do.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Two semi-related questinos:
(1-6,Jon Guidry) 1) What kind of other Amiga's were there when CBM went
bankrupt (in development) ... and
(1-6,Jon Guidry) 2) What are all the saying you know of on the Amigas'
motherboards? :)
(1-18,Dave H) 1) By the time C= went under, development had really been
stymied for some time (it's a related issue, refer to "The Deathbed Vigil
and other tales of digital angst" for one view on some these factors).
Things had been humming along on the A3000+ in the first half of 1991
(the A3000+ being the best of the A3000 and A4000 combined with a DSP3210
and kick-ass audio subsystem), then a new management came in and killed
all the projects currently in the works. The A3000+ was reduced to a
"development vehicle" for AA, AA was intentionally delayed for 6 months
so Mehdi Ali would think the previous engineeing management has been
screwing it up (they weren't), etc. During the next year or so, I launched
a number of "future projects", some asked for, some obvious bandaids,
and some just to keep me from leaving C=. There was a DSP board, a
spinoff of the A3000+, which did actually see life after a 3rd party
licensed the design (the design itself was done by two engineers
assigned the project after Lew Eggebrecht took over Engineering, in itself
at the least a local maximum). I had a new architecture pretty much done,
on paper, by the Summer of 1992. For a short time I actually had a guy
designing some of it (I was too busy with A4091 and AAA prototype), but he
was yanked to help out on CD32. This architecture, called "Acutiator", was
the next generation mid-to-high end architecture, designed to replace
the A3000 architecture. It was highly integrated (to lower cost),
highly modular (to let us make a number of well designed motherboards
from the same chips, rather than a kludge like parts of the A4000), and
ready to support '040, '060, and RISC. Very little of this was ever even
designed, unfortunately.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-6,Jon Guidry) what bout part 2? :-)
(1-18,Dave H) Whoop!
(1-18,Dave H) 2) Well, there weren't that many "sayings" on my motherboards,
we generally stuck to code names. The best saying was on the A2000
prototype, Rev 2 or 3. This was something I did in 1986. In '85 and '86,
we had a devistating round of layoffs at C=, based on the fact that the
C64/C128 were aging and C= had paid buckets of money for Amiga. So on the
bottom of the A2000 PCB was inscribed "The Few, The Proud, The Remaining",
and below that, the initials of everyone left in Engineering. Henri Rubin
made us take it off, so all you see is the "HAYNIE/FISHER" on the top of
that corner (Terry Fisher did the PCB layout). Every motherboard has a
code name. Everything George Robbins worked on was some reference to the
B-52's. I had "The Boss" (A2000), "The Edge" (A2630), "B2" (A3000, Hedley
named it), "Gemini" (an experimental multiprocessing Zorro III card),
"Nyx" (the AAA prototype), and others I can't think of at the moment.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) ?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) thanks Dave!
(1-10,Asha) It's getting late
(1-10,Asha) So I'd like to just do the last remaining (two) questions
(1-10,Asha) Eric Douglas: ga
(1-18,Dave H) Late is a relative term I usually crash around 4AM.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) a true Amigan :)
(1-5,Eric Douglas) skip me my question was answered.
(1-10,Asha) Well, Dave, if you want to continue, that's fine with me!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) ok, let's keep going! :)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) YEA!
(1-10,Asha) Mike Webb: ga
(1-18,Dave H) I don't mind going a bit longer. \
(1-14,Mike Webb) typing...
(1-13,RoyP) ?
(1-1,The Man) ??
(1-14,Mike Webb) I hope this isn't too vague; in the January 1995 issue of
Amiga World
(1-18,Dave H) New CD, New Beer, I'm here.
(1-14,Mike Webb) (moment of silence) in which there is a sort of a
chronology about the Amiga, there are a few pictures that show the Amiga
design team doing strange things, like wearing white bags with green wigs,
or you wielding a sword. Is there any explanation for that (just wondering,
seemed kind of interesting) :-) (end of question)
(1-18,Dave H) Yes!
(1-18,Dave H) The sword shot was from a Halloween party. AW had asked for
any weird Amiga-related photos they could use, and I guess that made the
cut. I still have that Claymore, but I use Japanese style swords these
days. The green wigs were from a DevCon, I think it was Colorado. The
story: C= management had hired Jeff Scherb as VP of Developer Support
(before this, CATS was led by a Director I guess). Scherb was an ok guy,
but wanted to show a professional face at DevCons. Clearly this has to be
remedied, and so a bunch of the CATS and Software folks got together and
decide to pull a prank. What you see there is a live re-enactment of
"Lemmings"... ga
(1-10,Asha) RoyP: ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) Lol respectfully
(1-13,RoyP) Typing....
(1-13,RoyP) Dave AT has had problems getting HD drives for the A4000...
(1-13,RoyP) how do you see that situation and do you know of a solution for
them... Also - why did it take so long for C= to even think about CD Rom
drives. ga
(1-18,Dave H) The real problem is the custom nature of the Amiga HD drive.
These were specified by C=, made only by Chinon. Now Chinon, being a big
old supplier of C= parts, was apprently owed buckets of money by C=. You
would think that AT coming along, offering to take any inventory of these
drives off their hands would be a good thing for all involved, but
apparently Chinon didn't want any part of it. That's what I heard, anyway.
So AT is left with no manufacturer of Amiga HD drives (the trick being
primarily the drive going 1/2 speed when you insert an HD disk, and
transmitting Amiga disk code for the appropriate floppy format). The only
viable solution for existing machines is to make this kind of drive, but
AT doesn't have enough volumes to interest drive makers. The best solution
for new systems is to use off-the-shelf floppy controllers; even if that's
going to limit them to 1.44MB rather than 1.76MB, it's the only
cost-effective solution. C= never worried about CD-ROM drives because,
until the latter days, they had been considered too expensive for low-end
machines. Custom designs like those in CDTV and CD32 could be done cheaply,
but when off-the-shelf solutions for A500s wound up being more than 1/2
the cost of the A500, I guess C= didn't see it as a viable market. Maybe
that was wrong of them -- the old C64 and C128 floppy drives were similarly
priced. It wasn't an issue on the highend machines, you just bought a SCSI
CD-ROM. That's what I did. An extra $10 in the A500 for cheap-ass
Mac-style SCSI and it might have been a different world, eh. ga
(1-13,RoyP) CD's still aren't standard equipment. -- Sorry :(
(1-5,Eric Douglas) Been very nice. Good night dave. Good luck and I hope to
meet you one day! If you ever come to vegas look me up. Nite all!
(1-10,Asha) I have no more people on my question list. If anyone has any
more questions, please type ? now.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) !
(1-14,Mike Webb) ?
(1-26,Mr Challeron) ?
(1-1,Greg) ?
(1-10,Asha) Mike Webb: ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) Something you said earlier brought me to this thought: how
and why did Commodore end up with the Amiga, anyway, and did all the people
who designed it end up working with Commodore later?
(1-18,Dave H) Amiga was, of course, a CA startup company. It was originally
funded by some private group (some doctors in Florida, I've heard), but as
they needed more funds, they got a loan from Atari. By 1985 Atari was run
by the ruthless Jack Tramiel. Atari was negotiating to buy the Amiga rights,
but as anyone who's dealt with Jack knows, you're better off making a deal
with the devil. He knew, given the loan, he could get Amiga cheap if they
went into bankruptcy, and he didn't think anyone else was watching. C= was,
and I really don't know how they came to be watching. But C= came through
with a very good (for Amiga; they could have probably paid half what they
did) offer, and Atari was paid off on the last day of the loan. Jack was
very pissed. What's not so well known, if at all known, is that in the
fall of '83 Jack started a "secret 68000 project" at an undisclosed
"offsite location". C= at the time was already working on the C128 (you
all know it) and the C900 (a megapixel UNIX workstation, for cheap back in
1983 -- go figure). It's fairly clear this became the ST, after Atari
didn't get the Amiga. I don't know the C900 or ST very well, but they're
said to bear more than a passing resembalance. Initally, C= maintained
the whole Amiga group out in Los Gatos. This lasted through the A1000, but
around the A2000 time, things began to fall apart. Management liked the
proposal for the A2000 from Germany, including the BridgeBoard concept (at
the time, C='s German group did all PClone designs, including the SideCar).
Los Gatos folks felt their Ranger design, by all accounts superior, was
politically slighted. Round the same time, Bob Welland and George Robbins
(of the C900 project) were advancing their "fat" architecture, which
eventually became the A500. Management decided that they wanted all
Engineering in West Chester, PA. People don't leave Los Gatos for West
Chester, as a rule.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Jon Guidry: ga
(1-10,Asha) No question? Jon?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) This is a statement.. thanks for showing up in here, Dave.
We all really appreciate it.
(1-10,Asha) Mr. Challeron: ga
(1-26,Mr Challeron) With all the current interest in Portable (if expensive)
Multimedia, what are the odds we'll see a PowerAmiga Laptop (Imagine! Now
your Amiga can also be your PAL!), along the order of the PPC PowerBook,
if nothing else? ga
(1-6,Jon Guidry)
(1-18,Dave H) I figure its inevitable. Simply because, if nothing else, the
Amiga OS will become PPCP compliant, and there will be PPCP laptops. It's
also a reasonable guess that any new low end Power Amiga design could
translate fairly well to the laptop. I don't know if AT is interested,
and in fact, the question of an AT branded laptop will undoubtedly be
dependent on more mass market success.\
(1-10,Asha) ?
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Asha: ga
(1-26,Mr Challeron) Thnx
(1-10,Asha) Dave, is PPCP the new acrynym (sp?) for CHRP?
(1-18,Dave H) Yup. I bitched to Motorola about this. After all, you can
pronounce CHRP (chirp), but PPCP is awkward. They Motorolaeans tend to peg
CHRP/PPCP as "PReP with Apple stuff added", like for the most part, you
don't need to worry about the Apple stuff unless you're doing Macs. We'll
need the PowerShapeShifter to be happy with Mac stuff anyway; the multiple
boot schemes they have pretty much blow (I have it on my PC, but there's no
OS I really want fulltime there anyway).
(1-18,Dave H) [B
(1-18,Dave H) [B
(1-18,Dave H) [B
(1-18,Dave H) [B
(1-10,Asha) (can't backspace without a chat window)
(1-26,Mr Challeron) /send 6 yes
(1-10,Asha) Dave? Are you finished?
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Are there any more questions? (type ?)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) ?
(1-10,Asha) Bronwen: ga
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) do you have any general advice or messages of good
cheer for us amiga faithful?
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) :)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) we have to stay positive!
(1-18,Dave H) I believe the Power Amiga is possible, even in this day of
Wintel dominance. If I didn't, I wouldn't waste my time, or AT's. I'm not
at AT, and not in a position to say just what will happen, but if they do
what I'm suggesting, I think they have a good shot at an Amiga Renissance.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-13,RoyP) ?
(1-10,Asha) Roy: ga
(1-13,RoyP) Do you see them having any really great announcements at CeBit
or maybe Demos that we aren't already expecting. ga
(1-18,Dave H) They have a concept I think they're showing at CeBit, which
I really liked. Since I don't know if it's showing public, I can't fill
in the details. But I can say they have a different machine idea than
anything you've seen before from C=.
(1-18,Dave H) .
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Anyone else?
(1-14,Mike Webb) ?
(1-26,Mr Challeron) ?
(1-13,RoyP) Thanks Dave. Good answer (g)
(1-10,Asha) Mike ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) I realize it's been almost two years since his death, but
do you have anything to say about Jay Miner? (it's strange how little I know
about him, considering how instrumental he was in the Amiga's development)
(1-18,Dave H) Back in sec, Kira Baby is crying...
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Kira Baby?
(1-10,Asha) (Jon: Dave's daughter)
(1-14,Mike Webb) Has anyone truly written a fitting epilogue to that story?
(1-14,Mike Webb) ga whenever you return
(1-10,Asha) Mike: Give Dave a few minutes to rock the baby...:)
(1-6,Jon Guidry) sha :)
(1-26,Mr Challeron) Asha, I'll ask you in the event that this came up while
I was crashing OS2CIM: What ever happened to the AAA chipset? ga
(1-10,Asha) Mr. Challeron: It was never finished. Last I heard AmigaTech
has abandoned it as there are better chips off the shelf.
(1-14,Mike Webb) If I may comment on that...
(1-10,Asha) You can ask Dave when he gets back though...
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) this is sooooo coool what a guy, rocking babies
and all! :)
(1-26,Mr Challeron) It seems like a shame, from what Dave talked about
tonight.
(1-18,Dave H) Back
(1-10,Asha) Bronwen: He's a real sweetie!
(1-10,Asha) Ok... Mike, want to repost your question?
(1-14,Mike Webb) I will retype it now...
(1-18,Dave H) I sing Kira to sleep almost every night.
(1-14,Mike Webb) I realize it's been almost two years since his death, but
do you have anything to say about Jay Miner? (it's strange how little I
know about him, considering how instrumental he was in the Amiga's
development) Has anyone truly written a fitting epilogue to that story?
(1-14,Mike Webb) ga
(1-18,Dave H) I didn't know Jay all that either, unfortunately. Perhaps
better than many in West Chester; we talked at DevCons, occasionally went
out for dinner when we
(1-14,Mike Webb) (bye the way, could you indicate how to pronounce his last
name? I'm not sure) pardon the interruption :-)
(1-18,Dave H) were in the same town. But I'm not the one to have a deep and
meaningful comment. Though I think it's a great thing to be able to have a
positive effect on lots of people, and Jay's vision did this in spades.
(1-18,Dave H) (Kira's back to sleep, she just wanted hot milk and covers).
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) we all want that!
(1-4,Holly S.) and warm Amigas. :)
(1-10,Asha) (I don't know about the "hot milk" part)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) yikes
(1-18,Dave H) You pronounces it like you would when referring to a guy who
digs mines.
(1-14,Mike Webb) I was wondering, with all the Spanish influence on the
Amiga and the nickname "Padre" if it had a Spanish pronunciation.
(1-18,Dave H) Well, they did work in Los Gatos. But as I heard the story,
their original name was something lexically similar to Amiga, but already
copyrighted (I guess the name here would be a 10 point Amiga Trivia answer).
So they changed a letter or so, Amiga sounded cool. The Spanish stuff came
as a result.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Mr Challeron: ga
(1-26,Mr Challeron) Thanks.
(1-26,Mr Challeron) Dave: I'm a little unclear on the AAA chipset, and your
discussion of it earlier, because you started using "past tense", and ended
up talking about what it "is". Has the whole project been dropped, or is
AT working on "off-the-shelf-close-enough", and going to tweak the rest in
software? ga
(1-18,Dave H) Well, there's what AAA does today, on two existing machines.
But AAA itself is no more. That's the right decision, it's just too late,
there's too much left undone on it, and it would cost a fortune to complete
it. I can buy $15 SVGA chip with better graphics specs and faster blitters.
That's a function of the way the compuyter industry has gone. Back in the
Amiga's early days, no one did systej specific ASICs of any kind, except C=
and a few other mass marketers. C= was a good match for the Amiga becuse
of this, and the Amiga chips really were something special. You got
roughly 68020 class performance on the A1000 thanks to the blitter, at a
time when the '020 was a workstation CPU. And having something like an '020
doing your graphics freed up the 68000, so the system was just that much
better than anything else. Over time, the PC Clone industry spawned a new
class of chip makers. These guys made glue chips for PC Clones, at first,
basicallyt making the "Gary" and "Buster" equivalents for PCs. Gradually,
they started cloning IBM's graphics chips, and that led up to today.
The companies that specialized in graphics chips were rewarded. A good
systems house of today, IBM, Compaq, Apple, etc. might ship 5 million
systems a year, if it's a good year. But these graphics chip companies are
shipping 10's of millions of chips. They're getting expertise and volume
unavailable to systems houses. Add the growth of multimedia concerns
(if not good OSs to drive real MM), and you find that it's going to be
very difficult to make a decent graphics chip today. If you don't have
3 years, 3 million buck, and a practiced team of 10-20 chip designers
handy, you don't even step up to the plate.
(1-18,Dave H) [B
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) Asha: permission to make pertinent comment?
(1-10,Asha) Mike: ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) I don't know if this means anything, but I was over on AT's
web page, reading one of their press releases, and I saw a line that said
something to ... never mind, I probably am about to say something stupid :-)
(1-14,Mike Webb) ?
(1-10,Asha) Mike Webb: ga
(1-14,Mike Webb) typing...
(1-14,Mike Webb) Please clear this up if I have a serious misunderstanding,
but I've seen a number of fairly modern PC's in recent years, and not one
of them has been able to keep up with my 68030 ECS machine in animation --
would these cheap SVGA chips, for all their high resolutions and more
colors, really have a dream of keeping up with a newer, more powerful
Amiga chipset at animation?
(1-14,Mike Webb) ga
(1-10,Asha) Do we have any more questions?
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) mighty quiet in the room! :)
(1-13,RoyP) I don't, Asha
(1-6,Jon Guidry) moi non plus
(1-18,Dave H) Sure. A good SVGA chip of today has a CPU to "chipram"
bandwidth of 50MB/s-100MB/s. The best you get on an Amiga is 7MB/s.
Similarly with the blitter. What you don't have on the PC, plain and
simple, is the AmigaOS. SVGA chips can double buffer, they can give you a
vertical blanking interrupt, and they're wicked fast in their modern
incarnations. But what do you run, Windows or MS-DOS? It's like letting
a monkey drive that hot new Porsche you just bought (well, I didn't, but
you get the picture).
(1-14,Mike Webb) So is the AmigaOS really the Amiga's only remaining
advantage?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) ! (statement)
(1-18,Dave H) Look at it this way: the PC has graphics 10x-50x faster, it
has CPUs 5x-20x faster, and it costs less. And yet, the Amiga is doing
stuff you can't do on the PC. Plain and simple. How else would you explain
this? Scala has spent the last 2.5 years writing their own OS to allow
Amiga-like things to happen on the PC. Software really is the key factor
these days. Hardware evolution, if anything, was hastened by the PClone
busines. Software evolution, on the other hand, has been hampered.
(1-14,Mike Webb) (comment) So I guess the AmigaOS is probably the basket in
which to put the eggs.
(1-18,Dave H) a
(1-18,Dave H) gha
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Jon Guidry: ga
(1-6,Jon Guidry) It's still obvious that the UAE (Useless Amiga Emulator)
on DOS and UNIX stations is pretty darn slow... 10% the speed of an A500..
but disproves the theory that an Amiga can't be emulated ;)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) send 10 I just read Fido from my local bbs, there
are actually two here which support ami!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) oops! sorry
(1-6,Jon Guidry) ga :-)
(1-10,Asha) Any more questions? Comments?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) tell Skal thanks
(1-10,Asha) Will do!
(1-18,Dave H) Anything can be emulated.
(1-18,Dave H) The conditions under which something can be accurately
emulated in realtime are a different story. No chip is released without
being simulated to death. But running at 1/100th (or worse) the speed
of actual hardware doesn't an emulator make. If they're getting 1/10th the
speed of an A500 on some PC, wait awhile, eventually it'll be full speed.
And I hear you're supposed to call the latest release "Unix Amiga
Emulator"; I guess some authority has pronounced it usable. But don't
expect it to do clean animations no matter how "useful" it gets;
emulations are always at the mercy of their host environments.
(1-18,Dave H) ga
(1-10,Asha) Does anyone have any more questions?
(1-10,Asha) Well, it looks like we've run out of questions
(1-10,Asha) I'd like to thank Dave for coming to visit with us tonight and
for all of his wonderfully detailed and patient answers to our questions.
(1-14,Mike Webb) Comment: I've gone well over my CompuServe free time, but
it's been well worth it. Thanks, Dave!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) standing ovation begins!
(1-10,Asha) Thanks Dave! And I hope we can invite you back again soon!
(1-26,Mr Challeron) Thanks Asha for hosting and thanks Dave for being here.
(1-13,RoyP) Thanks Dave.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) ditto. thanks, Dave!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) it's worth it even if it's not free, Mike :)
(1-14,Mike Webb) Absolutely.
(1-18,Dave H) And I've been typing with a sore thumb.
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) should be sorer now!
(1-18,Dave H) Did I have anything else here.... Let's see.
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) a song?
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) warm milk?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) a pitcher of beer?
(1-3,Gracia M. Littauer) Super CO...Asha, you run a tight ship! Dave is the
most articulate techie
(1-3,Gracia M. Littauer) I've heard yet <VBG>
(1-10,Asha) Gracia: Thanks!
(1-18,Dave H) RJ sez "Keep the Faith" (RJ and Dale made it out to the Amiga
Atlanta 10th anniversary dinner).
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) hey, let's all run to the virtual bar!
(1-14,Mike Webb) lol
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) i'll buy the first round :)
(1-18,Dave H) Explorer: Ford 1, Microsoft 0
(1-13,RoyP) Dave - I'd like to ask you back, sometime after the CeBit
show <G>
(1-14,Mike Webb) laughing again ;)
(1-18,Dave H) If you're looking for a beat-to-hell, tow-it-home kind of
Eagle Talon AWD TSi, lemme know.
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) tsi?
(1-10,Asha) Dave: You're selling your car?
(1-18,Dave H) My car kind of died.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) what died in it? :-)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) brains and a car to boot, the man's a god!
(1-10,Asha) Ooops....
(1-10,Asha) Dave: Tow it to a dealer and trade it in! :)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) oh, tow-it-home! send it back to Greg Kinear! :)
(1-6,Jon Guidry) I need a car, but I need one that works :)
(1-18,Dave H) But, being dead, I couldn't get anything reasonable on
trade-in, so I kept it.
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) ...to park in? :)
(1-10,Asha) Dave: You could turn it into a planter!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) great minds think alike, asha!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) how old is the talon?
(1-18,Dave H) Hey, you never know when there's a mechanical wiz, or an
idiot with lots of patience, in the audience.
(1-18,Dave H) It's a '91 with 94,000 miles.
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) that's ami in a nutshell LOL
(1-6,Jon Guidry) ... in Louisiana :-)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) whew, where have you been driving to and fro?
(1-13,RoyP) Dave - You did DRIVE back and forth to Germany - Did you.
(1-10,Asha) LOL!!
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Hehe!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) he can drive on water as well as walk on it? HO HO
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Interstate 4000? :-)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) keeping all those ami fires burning!
(1-13,RoyP) Dave - BTW, will you be going to CeBit?
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Asha: I uuencoded Jeff Grimmett a Cajun Stew.. want
some? :)
(1-10,Asha) Jon: Sure, send it here as uuencoding tends to get garbled on
Fido.
(1-18,Dave H) its 64 miles round trip to Scala.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) Asha: okay. Jeff ducked when I sent him the uuencoded
Tabasco though.
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) how do you pronounce that word...uuen...
(1-6,Jon Guidry) you you encode I think
(1-10,Asha) U U encoded
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) thanks, i feel so newbie!
(1-10,Asha) Bronwen: Then I guess you don't want to hear about MIME...
(giggle)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) isn't mime silent like the p in bath?
(1-10,Asha) Bronwen: Hee hee!! On the Amiga, almost ALL files are silent
(1-1,Dana) Not formal now? Hi.
(1-10,Asha) (you're not going to "get" me with that 'p' stuff)
(1-10,Asha) Not formal now....
(1-1,Dana) Jon: Yes
(1-13,RoyP) Dave - BTW, will you be going to CeBit?
(1-1,Dana) I was in and out briefly, sorry I missed most of this..
(1-1,Dana) I'll definitely DL the transcript
(1-10,Asha) Dana: I'll be posting the transcript when I get it edited
(posted here on CIS)
(1-6,Jon Guidry) I'll post the transcript on FIDO's AMIGA echo and Aminet
when I'm done.
(1-1,Dana) Cool
(1-10,Asha) GREAT conference Dave!! :)
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) waves of applause and gratitude!
(1-6,Jon Guidry) is everyone done? :) I'm about to turn transcript
recording off and go to sleep :)
(1-13,RoyP) Asha: It was a wonderful CO.
(1-10,Asha) Jon: I think we're done ......
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) yes thanks ASHA and CIS!
(1-10,Asha) Roy: You're all welcome, and thanks to all of you for coming!
Couldn't have done it without you!
(1-13,RoyP) Good Night everyone.
(1-14,Mike Webb) Thanks CIS, Asha, Dave, etc., it's been great
(1-10,Asha) G'night Roy!
(1-6,Jon Guidry) where'd Dave go? :)
(1-10,Asha) Mike: You're welcome!
(1-11,Bronwen Pitchford) kiss the baby for us!
(1-6,Jon Guidry) he left.
(1-6,Jon Guidry) night people!
(1-10,Asha) Dave has left the CO!
(1-6,Jon Guidry) bye Asha!
(1-10,Asha) G'night all
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Demolition '96 Results
Demolition '96 Final Results!
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DEMO COMPO :
1 11 (86 points) Halcyon (pc)
2 15 (80 points) Cobra Creations (pc)
3 2 (77 points) Cirion (amiga)
4 10 (39 points) Mellow Chips : Jees! (amiga)
5 4 (28 points) Embassy (amiga)
6 9 (25 points) Acid Rain (pc)
7 7 (19 points) Mooze (pc)
8 6 (18 points) Extend (amiga)
9 5 (15 points) Symposion (pc)
10 3 (12 points) Complex (pc)
11 14 (12 points) Zymosis (amiga)
12 8 (10 points) Inu-Soft (amiga)
13 13 (9 points) Damones (pc)
14 1 (8 points) Cream Ass (pc)
15 12 (6 points) Mellow Chips : Pingviini Mix (amiga)
INTRO COMPO :
1 7 (150 points) Coma (pc)
2 5 (65 points) Aurinkovoodoomandariini (pc)
3 2 (50 points) Tpolm (pc)
4 6 (47 points) HiRMU (pc)
5 1 (40 points) Interamnia (pc)
6 3 (20 points) Vlp (pc)
7 4 (7 points) Cream Ass (pc)
8 8 (5 points) Arf Infitum (pc)
MUSIC COMPO :
1 8 (58 points) Croaker/Halcyon : "Into the Light"
2 2 (46 points) Demential/TerrorDrome : "In Love With You"
3 7 (39 points) Solen/Nordic Vision : "Rise and Shine"
4 14 (35 points) Swallow/Doomsday : "Love & Emotions"
5 12 (34 points) Mirror/Symptom : "Ramsu"
6 4 (29 points) Pyle/Craw : "Ignorance"
7 3 (27 points) Sanctimonios : "Streets of Anth-Morpork"
8 1 (25 points) Duke/Paragon : "In Spades"
9 10 (23 points) Nosfe/Vlp : "Final Fight"
10 11 (21 points) Flavour/Coma : "Art of Voom"
11 13 (20 points) Blotzmann/Symposion : "Conalan Syke"
12 9 (18 points) Silent Wizard : "Lost Sun"
13 5 (17 points) Hexagon/Gender : "Chernobyl Degnu"
14 6 (10 points) Marvin : "Vine on the Wall"
GRAPHICS COMPO :
1 7 (59 points) Mazor/Paragon
2 3 (54 points) Dragoon/Symposion
3 9 (46 points) Jogi/Mellow Chips
4 1 (45 points) Duke/Paragon
5 11 (38 points) Damac/Doomsday
6 8 (32 points) Mindeye/Cirion
7 4 (30 points) Feather/Tpolm
8 6 (25 points) Elbon/Bomb Squad
9 12 (23 points) Dice/Doomsday
10 5 (22 points) Blz/Crow
11 2 (21 points) Ed/Exotic Men
12 10 (19 points) Miggim/Coma
Voters : 78
Paid visitors : 113 + Jmagic's $0.02 :-)
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SCENE WARS REPLY
TO EVERYONE FROM
DOOBA/SoC!
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THE UK SCENE WAR: A REPLY TO EVERYONE
FROM
DOOBA/STEPS OF CHANGE
Well, I left the scene for a while because of this going down (as well as
sending demo tapes to jungle record labels), unlike most of you I was stuck
bang in the middle right from the word go! I was, at the time, a member of
Carnage, Now don't get me wrong, I didn't leave Carnage because of the
pressure I was getting from some of my scene m8's (Oi oi Wilsh, Wade,
Bliss etc. heheh) I left because I wasn't into what was going on in
Carnage... Nothing to do with what they were releasing (or rather not
releasing!).
A perfect way to describe the sort of situation I was in, and in a way,
still am in, is this... I called Kei/Crn just before I left the scene for a
bit, he sounded very surprised that I'd called, he was under the
misapprehension that I was no longer his m8, and that I was leading the `Kill
Carnage' campaign! He said he was going to call me but thought I'd slam the
phone down, I mean fuckin hell, this is what this kind of shit does to people!
As a lot of you know by now this whole `kill Carnage' thing started because
that TWAT Kooky/(now ex-)Carnage tried to get on PermVac as me, mistakenly
thinking I was `best buddies' with Mic Flair...
Well, he's fucked off now that the truth has come out, (lucky for him!)
and I just wish it would have stopped there! But oh no, `lets kill Crn
and while we're at it lets kill NFA'! Well, I'm a firm believer in Live and
let live.
Eltech are taking the UK scene to a new level in Europe, and all of the
UK scene should be fucking grateful for a group to lead the way, but,
let Carnage do what they want to do, let NFA do what they want to do. If
we don't then the UK scene will fucking collapse, this could be the start
of a nasty new trend... Just think, If this type of behavior was the norm
none of us would have gotten anywhere on the scene and would have gotten
none of the respect we may be getting now. Carnage and NFA aren't doing the
UK scene any harm, If they release shit they get shit on simple as that. Let
them sort themselves out...
I still have some good m8's in Carnage, Kei was one of my very first Scene
contacts and a good m8, and he's staying a good m8!
I respect other peoples opinions but there are many Scene's within the Scene,
Let people belong to the scene they want to belong to! I for one chose which
Scene I wanted to belong to (The demo Scene, which many would describe as
`The Real Scene'), If Carnage take a new direction, which is what I was told,
then fucking good luck to them!
As for my m8's making the ruckus... chill out and follow your own ideals,
don't worry about what other people are doing just let it roll!
.......................................
Small addition from Wade/Eltech follows:
........................................
Good call Dooba m8, but it seems you speak like this due to your friendship
with Kei and other members of Carnage and not from an outsiders view.
If you look at Carnage and NFA they are begginers, some of them have been
on their scene for a long time, but are still in the begginer stages. I
don`t think it is fair that they have any say in the way the scene is run
when they do not contribute to it.
The unfortunate thing is that they do damage the UK scene. If 90% of
France releases were all CLI, Amos based shit we would say France have a
shit scene right? Same with UK. Every new crew to come from the UK gets the
same brand of being lame.
I understand that you are in the middle of this having friends on both
sides of the dispute, but friendship isn`t really the issue. I have loads
of friends on the pirate scene, but I think theyre totally lame and wish
they`d grow up and stop playing and spreading games all day, but I`m still
mates with em. (Well maybe I was until I made these comments?!).
I sincerely hope you do not object to this addition, but I have a lot to
say regarding this paticular subject.
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** FACT PARTY REPORT **
S A T U R N E P A R T Y I I I
(26-28 April '96 in Chelles, France)
...read everything about the saturne party III here:
THE PARTY PLACE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Party took place in Chelles (ca. 40km) away from Paris-Centrum.
It was not very diffult to find although there wasn't any signs.
ENTRANCE
~~~~~~~~
The entry fee was 120 Ff and you were stamped by the old saturne II
stamp (where you want) ;^)
The ornanisers did count 620 people came to the party.
THE ORGANISERS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At all, the organisers were very friendly and helpful.
You couldn't notice any security guards standing around like in
other parties and so the people were also very peaceful.
THE HALL
~~~~~~~~
They wase two halls. One big, and one not so big ;^)
In the main-hall there was a 6mx4m screen and a
Barco 8000 Projector. The Prejector was very bright and good to
look at!
Unbelievable but true: Power-Failures were not rare!
PARLEZ VOUZ ENGLESE?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All the time, the OPs spoke french!
Everybody understood what happened at the party except people from
holland, austria, germany, spain and other! (c'est la vie ?????)
Also the Info-Sheets for Competitions, Times etc. was written down
in french!
Maybe, they should had at least one organizer who could speak
english. And they even didn't understood this magic words:
"PARLEZ ENGLESE, S'IL VOUS PLAIT!"
THE RULES
~~~~~~~~~
Smoking and alcohol (and of course drugs) were not allowed.
Nobody despised the rules. The Party place stayed clean all the
time. There was an open air place inside the hall to smoke.
SLEEPING ROOMS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For sleeping, you had to go upstairs and sleep in a little passage.
It was too small and not enough for everybody who wanted to sleep.
And there also was lights in the sleeping places where you hardly
could sleep! So, many guys had to sleep in the main-hall in front of
their computers.
BON APPETIT!
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Outdoors there was a pizza-bus where you could buy a pizza
(made in france) without taste for 40 Ff.
It was also possible to buy something in the hall 24 hours.
THE MORALE
~~~~~~~~~~
Some AMIGA-guys destroyed some pentiums and Ataris with big sticks
and swords outdoors in front of 300 people. One of the guy hurts
his hand but he wasn't to stop hitting the desktop of the PC!
In the night, four really good looking chicks danced (nearly
nacked ;^) on the stage for our amusement with cool music!
(that was great!)
After this, some scene guys danced on the stage behind the curtain
with "spaceballs demo #1" in the front.
But after this, the party was very boring. Nobody was drunken
(no beer) nobody was high (no drugs) ;^)
Everything was quiet, no action for the rest of the time!
WHAT ELSE HAPPENED ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Uyanik/TRSI won some of his own CD for the Wild Compo! (great)
- Merlin-M! and Evrimsson (that's me) joined TRSI.... for 3 minutes!
Now, they are also ex-TRSI members. Then, they were kicked because
of unactivity!
- Two PC guys didn't play DOOM - really!! (no, just kidding, they did!)
THE COMETITIONS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The worst and first competition was the music competition. There was
a PREVOTING for every tune. The best tunes (tunes from famous
musicians etc.) were SORT OUT by an unknown jury!
Only big techno and sampled shit (400K-800K) were played!
Additionally Protracker-Tunes and Multichannel-Tunes were mixed together.
It seemed, that the organisers didn't know the difference, maybe that's
why they played every tune on a PC!
All Powerpacked-AMIGA-Tunes were not prevoted to play (because pc)
Maybe AMIGA-Tunes with weird Filenames didn't prevote to play (because pc)
We learned: PC SUXX again
and: PREVOTING from people with no idea - suxx too!
The Gfx competition came very late (at 5pm). Many people were
already sleeping. And by a mistake of the operators, one picture
was not shown.
The demo and other competitions wasn't on time, and all people
from other countries but france couldn't understand, when the
compos will be shown, because they use to speak french all the time!
VOTING
~~~~~~
Everybody got a voting-book at the main entrance. The voting sheets
were collected after every competition in big boxes.
COMPETITION RESULTS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All competition results were declared per voice. And of course
in french! So, again, nobody but french guys could understand
who did win what and what happened with whome?
People had the Imperssion that the french people were very funny,
however they couldn't understand any jokes in french!
But there was really big money prices for the winners!
...here the official results:
1st place gave 3 points
2st place gave 2 points
3st place gave 1 point
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Amiga Demo (10 entries)
-----------------------
1. (02) "Atome" by Skarla 341 pts
2. (19) "Dimension" by MGD 318 pts
3. (04) "Bornd Dead" by Syndrome 215 pts
4. (08) "2nd World" by Syndrome 180 pts
5. (03) "Worlds" by Gods 147 pts
6. (06) "Vertigo" by Abyss 107 pts
7. (09) "Fade" by Melting Point 83 pts
8. (07) "Heart Light" by Solaris & Syndrome 63 pts
9. (01) "Elyts Deppir" by Smellon Design 21 pts
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Amiga Intros (only 4 entries)
-----------------------------
1. (03) "Little Floove" by Abyss 550 pts
2. (02) "Introga" by Les Shadock 386 pts
3. (04) "Myst" by Universe 240 pts
4. (01) "Annonce" by Agoa 231 pts
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Graphics (69 entries)
---------------------
1. (29) "Oxi j'aime pas by Tenshu/Syndrome
2. (34) "Nevin" by Made/Bomb
3. (01) "Sweet Home" by HP/Honoo
4. (68) "Fuck Made" by Zebig & Suny/Speed
5. (13) "Land Of Tunhuang" by Moxica/Osmose
6. (42) "Dead End Chun-Li" by Greg/Arkham
7. (03) "Ladies" by Macre/Skarla
8. (58) "Bene Bsewest" by Ben.E/Illusion
9. (53) "Miyuki" by Bad/Arkhalm
10. (20) "Ascii" by Bisounours/Tiny Toons
11. (08) "Bainz" by Trash/Earthlore
12. (02) "Mamono Hunter Yonko" by Black Dragon/Hoonoo
12. (15) "Dana Scully" by Gelmir
12. (19) "Janet" by Zaac/Psykotrope
15. (06) unknown by Mr.Splif/Primus
16. (35) "Hodge" by Titan/Bomb
16. (47) "Wild Dreams" by Thug/MGD
16. (65) "Chasse" by Twix/Fatal Design
19. (16) "Stéphanie" by Evil Maniac/Fatal Justice
19. (48) "No Name" by Ra/Nooon Sanity
19. (60) "Tengoku" by Kan/Arkham
19. (63) "My Rolex" by Drebin/Dreamdealers
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Musics (25 entries PREVOTING of over 60 tunes!)
-----------------------------------------------
1. (03) "Under The Sea" by FBY/Soft One
2. (23) "Killing Party" by Thug/MGD
3. (16) "Plugged In" by Cash/Mentasm
4. (24) unknown by Evelred/Capsule & Tlotb
5. (25) "Four People" by Sunny/Movement
6. (02) "Love In Lost Jungle" by HP/Honoo
7. (12) "Urban Jungle" by Oxbow/Scoopex
8. (21) "I Give It Up, Too Hard 4 Me" by Twice & Phase/Agoa
9. (09) "Sound Of S.A." by Snes/Playmobil
10. (22) "Fly Over The Sea" by Theo/MDG
11. (15) "Trip Out" by Blue Dreamer/Acid Dream
12. (01) "No Sense" by Clo!/Honoo
13. (20) "Perk!uchione Love" by Unison/Psykotrope
14. (10) "Cold Sensation" by Alexel/Distorsion
15. (11) "Highway Jamn" by Hornet/Edena
16. (14) "Plastic Ruby" by Hardfire/NGC & Intense
17. (19) "Fil 246" by Flip/Earthlore
18. (04) "Oktafink Yannik" by DoH/Dreamdealers
19. (13) "Smoke 2 Smoke" by Yonder/Mambo
20. (08) "Egometriosporax" by Patriot/Scoopex
21. (07) "Lumbag Greko" by Gandbox/Solaris
22. (05) "Hyperparathyroidal" by Shout/Dreamdealers
23. (18) "N.A.C." by Ghost Fellow/MWB
24. (06) "Milo Mistake" by Nasty Boy/Solaris & Codac/Syndr.
25. (17) "vq3r[v" by Nicolas
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Wild Compo (18 entries)
-----------------------
1. (08) unknown by Eagle/Agoa &
Psykotrope & Honoo 169 pts
2. (07) "De L'Art De Passer..." by DoH/Dreamdealers 98 pts
3. (15) unknown by Golmon Design 91 pts
4. (13) "Cybernet" by Hoodlum 75 pts
5. (04) "Amiga Go" by Image per Image 64 pts
6. (11) "Nine" by Jeffrey 50 pts
7. (09) "State Of The Art 2 Remix" by TRSI Records 48 pts
8. (12) unknown unknown 47 pts
9. (16) unknown unknown 39 pts
10. (03) unknown by Melting Pot 38 pts
11. (02) "Do PC's Fly?" by Nuku-Nuku & Nat! 30 pts
12. (14) "Volcanic Party 2" by Mentasm 26 pts
13. (05) unknown by Enterprise 25 pts
14. (01) "Dolphin Music" by Brando Prods. 23 pts
15. (03) "Kick Boxer" by Scarface 18 pts
16. (10) unknown unknown 14 pts
17. (17) unknown unknown 6 pts
18. (18) unknown unknown 2 pts
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PC Demos (10 entries)
---------------------
1. (10) "Contrast" by Oxygene 510 pts
2. (08) "Bomb" by Impact Studios 391 pts
3. (09) "Chapi Chapo" by Aegis Corp. 270 pts
4. (03) "Flirt" by Igloo 130 pts
5. (06) "Orion" by Flower Corp. 90 pts
6. (01) "Andempti" by MWB 70 pts
7. (07) "Geminis" by The Lords Of The Bits 36 pts
8. (02) "Bitch!" by Asylum 31 pts
9. (05) "Demo 7" by Arkham 30 pts
10. (04) "Final Trip" by Inside 14 pts
------------------------------------------------------------------------
PC Intros (6 entries)
---------------------
1. (04) "Teddy Bear" by Eclipse 734 pts
2. (03) "Nop" by Olympus & Realtech 567 pts
3. (02) "Pressure" by Kloon 217 pts
4. (06) "The Whirl" by Funk 133 pts
5. (01) "Bomberman Attitude" by Dentifrice 121 pts
6. (05) "Al Song" by Analog 121 pts
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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PRICES
~~~~~~
Amiga Demo:
1st place: 6000 Ff
2st place: 3000 Ff
3st place: 2000 Ff
-------------------
PC Demos:
1st place: 6000 Ff
2st place: 3000 Ff
3st place: 2000 Ff
-------------------
Amiga Intros:
1st place: 2000 Ff
2st place: 1000 Ff
3st place: 500 Ff
-------------------
Wild Compo:
1st place: 2000 Ff
2st place: 1000 Ff
3st place: 500 Ff
-------------------
Musics:
1st place: 1000 Ff
2st place: 750 Ff
3st place: 500 Ff
-------------------
Graphics:
1st place: 1000 Ff
2st place: 750 Ff
3st place: 500 Ff
-------------------
...and many CDs for other places
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I will try to write Party Reports like that under "FACT PARTY REPORT"
with some other scene guys for every party. So, look out for our
reports! This time, it's really small and only a text-file. I hope that
we can put some photos with text-files fixed in a diskmag next time!
'hope that you liked to read! Contact me for any reason!
c ya...
eVRIMSSON/iLLUSION
(Internet eMAIL: Evrimsson@Teucom.Xnc.Com)
Greetings to Merlin-M! for his big support and ideas!
...now following a FILE-ID:
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| sIGN uP aND sEND |
| yER nAME tO tHE |
| bIGGEST aSCii |
| aRTiST LiST iN |
| thE wORLD! |
Hi all of you ascii artists out there.. I just came up with an idea!
Wouldn't it be great to have a list of almost all the ascii artist online on
the internet? If you want to be included in this big list fill out the form
below and mail it to me by the internet or at some board..
Email: marting@fredrika.se
boards (swe): cRYSTAl oF dARKNESS,iNTOXiCATiOn,iNSANiTARY oR aT tHE sLAMMER
Or pass it on to any known ascii artist and ask him/her/it to give to me!
FORM:
hANDLE:
rEAL nAME:
aGE:
cOUNTRY oF oRIGIN:
gROUP:
aSCii gROUP:
bOARDs wHERE yOU cAN bE fOUND:
eMAiL aDRESS:
wEB pAGE:
Hope this can be something big for the ascii scene and if you want to see
how far it has come the look in on:
http://www.bang.se/~marting/asc2list
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/ / / _/ \/ _/ \ / /
/ /\ \ / \ \ \\ \____
\__\ \__\\_______/\_______/ \_____/
---+-------=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-------+---
< LSD NFA >
< NetWork BBS >
< MaNiaC's iNNueNDo >
---+-------=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-------+---
BYe To aLL, iT's TiMe To Go :-(((
Well I think the time has come to leave the bbs scene :-((
I will miss it, but theres not much Games comeing out now is there..?
So it makes sence to sell the amiga while you can still get some
decent coin for it...
Sad to say, but i do think the amiga is dieing, i know this will bring
a smile to all you pcceeee users out there. But i WILL never join you..!
I have seen you doods in action at the local computer club, all night
they are trying to get a game to copy and install off cd, and what game
was it hehehehe SONIC hahahaha well lame...! Sell your pcceee and buy a
cheap sega.. and btw they didn't get it running... :-)))))
Heres some greets and farewells to doods that i have come across.
FiTTeR hehehe comeing round for a go on the Play Station.
RMc SoZZzz to See You end like that... You Was a Great Scene M8..!
ToPDoG Nice To Have Meet You, Me and You Kept That BBs FAst DiDn't we.
BiG H! BaRRRHHh hehehe, You Was the Friendly's Loyal Sysop Going..
I Hope You Get The BBs as fast as you Want It.
Thanks for the Support..!
Deck (Small Dick) ;-) The Holy 3 Is no More, Thanks for all the
Laughts...Peeps like you make the scene fun, Like it should be.
Zapper Hmmmm Internal NFa silly hehehe. Never really got to know you
Dood, byeeeee. Btw BeWare...?
Zoltrix The Best Trader Going... Alot of respect goes out to you m8.
Would have like to have your rep' one day. :-))))
Sonny Nice Trader, Its a pity we meet too late... we could have made
a good team (me thinks..?) Hope your BBs Get the support it
Should...LSD DooDS..Wheres the SuPPoRT THeN...!
Crispy hmmmmm parting is such great sorrow... Thanks for all the
Lessons and info ;-)
Rocky arrrhhh Same apply's, Hope you got over the mess it all got in.
Smudge Well M8 you left me last time, Nice to have Meet you....
Your one Nice dood.... Btw What Colour Knickers Has Kelly
Got On hehehehehe, can i still ring and talk with her..??
MDR Try Treating your users better... your the best BBs, but theres
Lots of doods out there that has probs with your attitude
As for me, i like you, and give my regards to BOSS NUKE...
Me And him had a loverly time together... hehehe bye :-)
Data Hi, well i loved your BBs, thanks for all the talks, and
Stream and getting the modem set up where everyone else failed..
even USR them Selfs. I would have liked yours to have been
the Fastest bbs around, I did try for you.
Gaz p Come on get data more files... Hope Skidrow gets Back up
there.....!
Epsilon/? ;-) Well traitor (ups soz, only jokeing) Keep scaning that mail
You know More about doods than they know about them selfs.
We Had our ups and downs aint we, but i hope we can part m8's
Chem Should have made me co-syop you know... would have help you out
more, but i did my fair bit... see's yer :-)
Axen Thanks for the new realese m8, nice to have first whack at them
Hope the Group go's on...!
Fish Hi m8, Hope your well, i herd you already know that iam leaveing
the scene... may come down some time if thats ok..?
Ring me if theres anything i can ever do...ok
illicit hmmmmm no more cc's so stop ringing, btw your dad sounds a right
posh arse on the phone... keep at it ;-)
Mic flair Nice to talk with you that once... i never did say anything..
Not sure if you belive me...? Hope you and Deck can make it up
Were here to have fun, and all be one close knit group....!
Dont you both think...?
JR Hows it going man... hehehe nice to have rap with you, and thanks
for nukeing that internal...hehehe
RincWind See me Blow your uLTIMa Traders away on the weeks top uploders..!
2 Weeks i was on... See The Power Of a LSD/NFA TRaDeR....!
............................................................................
Respects Goes out to Other doods that is on or has been on the scene..
PRO-File, Pink Floyd, Demons, Red Devil, Shaggy, Chill, BuZBee, Ordyne,
Sal-1, Nero, dicky, prime suspect, Crazy Horse, Zico, Venom, Short Stuff
............................................................................
to all the FaMales.... Kiss Kiss.... ;-)
KellY, KiWi, ViXeN, WildThing, aMBER
The BiTCH.... What a Great Looking FeMale... hehehehe You Should be Proud
To show her off ToPDoG... Look After her...!
............................................................................
Bye to all, soz if you wasn't greeted...
To all Sysops, bye Please NuKe My Account....!
Handle MeCHaniC....... MeCHaniC/LSD
MeCHaniC LSD/INNueNdO/R/\/\C/MaNiaCs/NFa/TiTaN
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Der VODOO-CLUB ist erstmal wegen BUST-GEFAHR vorr³bergehend geschlossen !
Es wurden einige User und Boards hier in der Nähe aus der Scene gebustet!
Und ich wollte NICHT dazu gehören
Dazu kommt das ich zu BUND muss f³r 10 Monate und die
ersten 2 Monate selten zu Hause bin,nur am Wochenende
So,das wars denn
POWERSOFT 2011 - Scene Member since 14 Years
Local greetings to: Red_Bull,Soulmaster,Shallow,Inferno,Saintvitus,Apollo
Vampire,L.A.Style,Joggy,Joggybaer,Dagobert,Chaos,Caps
Greetings BBS: Acid,Embassy,Broadway,Nuclear,Fastfile,God,Spirit,Stargate
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-[ mAKES a nEW gROUP cALLED rNSc iNC.! ]-
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/\_______\ /\_______\
/ / \ / / /
/ / __\ / \/ ___/_
/ / \ / aVE nATION & /\_\____ \ yCRES
/ / /\ \ / / /
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nEVER sTOP tHAT rEVOLUTiON
.-=^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=-.
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HI HO DUDES !!
NEWS FROM SYCRES AND RAVE NATION, WE HAVE STILL SPEAKING, AND WE
MEAN, OUR GROUPS CAN BEDDER EXISTS WHEN WE MAKE ONE GROUP.
SYCRES AND RAVE NATION JOINES TO ONE GROUP, WITH THE NAME:
RNSC INC
RAVE NATION^SYCRES INC
WE SEARCH AT TIME FOR A BEDDER NAME BUT WE MUST THINKING TO OUR RELEASES
OKEY DUDES, TO CONTACT DA RNSC WHQ, CALLED DA BUMBEL BEE LAND
NARWAY ROOLTZ
OR CONTACT OR GHQ OR EHQ, ALL IN GERMANY, ASK FOR NAMES OR FORGETT IT
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/ / \ / / /
/ / __\ / \/ ___/_
/ / \ / aVE nATION & /\_\____ \ yCRES
/ / /\ \ / / /
\/____/ /\ \ \/___________/
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AMIGO & STEEL RNSC INC LEADER`S
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This is a MESSAGE to ALL sysops that use
the GREATEST BBS program ever: S!X...!
Did YOU knew that S!X soon support FAX calls
This is also a short note to the coder! Plz
read it...
Well.... I read the new doc file for S!X, and I found:
"First preparation for FAX RECEIVE!........certainly not finished as
of V0.39u6"
IF there will come a version that can detect FAX calls, THEN I can
guarentee you that I will register S!X!
I also looked at the executable file of S!X, and found:
"FAX? FAX! FAX! FAX!"
(THIS IS SSSSOOOO KEWL! S!X RULEZ!)
So I really HOPE that Stephan Schiemann will continue coding on
this AMAZING BBS program!
And I also hope that ALL Unregistered (like ME!) users ALSO register!
PS Stephan Schiemann, IF you code a FAX version of S!X, please make
sure that it detect ALL kind of classes :) DS
/I love S!X
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[::::::::::] Sceptic /X Design [:::::::::::]
[ ]
[Reply auf die Schwachsinnstexte die jemand]
[ unter meinem Namen released hat! ]
[ ]
[ Signed ... Fli7e/SAD ]
[ ]
[:::::::::::] DEUTSCHER TEXT! [::::::::::::]
Ok .. nun mal in Deutsch ... ]-------------------------------.
|
Ich musste mir heute von mehreren typen anhören das ich |
einen text released haben soll, wo ich gesagt haben soll das |
DESCISION und primaer die FASTFILE SYSTEM die initiatoren |
der SAD-cRACKS sein sollen ... Auch hab ich mir sagen |
lassen muessen das ich SCANDIC persoenlich angeschuldigt | ..........
haette! | ::::::
| +:::::::::::.
Ich weis zwar net wer so`n schwachsinn vertellt .. aber ich | ....... :::::::
kann mit gewissheit sagen: ICH WAR ES NICHT! | ::::::: :::::::
| +::::::::::::::+
Nur weil die halbe welt den SCANDIC nicht leiden kann |
vertell ich noch lange nich so`n kappes ... |
| .....
Auch wenn der letzte reply vom INCREDIBLE CRACKER beim LENNY | : :
DEE von sCANDIC geuppt wurde und in seinem FASTFILE SYSTEM | : :
nicht! | :...:
|
Auch wenn einer der ersten iNCREDIBLE CRACKER texte im |
fastfile system vom HYSTERIA/DESCISION mit 28k8 geuppt wurde | ..............
obwohl er momentan nach aussage mehrerer leute nur ein 14k4 | ::::::: :::::::
hat und nicht traden soll. (was allerdings nur | ::::::::::::::::
ger³chteweise verlautbar wurde!) | ::::::: :::::::
| ::::::: :::::::
Auch ist es mir egal ob oder ob nicht der SCAnDIC daran | ::::::: :::::::
beteiligt ist! Fakt ist das es jemanden gibt der die |
deutsche /X scene zu beukotieren versucht indem er die doors |
der wenigen noch ³brig gebliebenen /X coder (sei es nun aim, | .....
xim oder was auch immer) cracked ... Momentan sind wir es | : :
(SAD) .. vor nicht allzulanger zeit mussten byteandi, | : :
siegel, dr. dre und andere drann glauben! | :...:
|
Was dies ganze gschmarri soll ist mir zwar schleierhaft, |
aber genauso auch egal! primaer code ich die doors weil ich | ...............
sie brauche bzw. einen request auf ein door mit XYZ | ....... :::::::
features bekomme. | ::::::: :::::::
| ::::::: :::::::
Nehmt euch doch mal`n Beispiel an FAMOUS`O`HACK .. der gibt | ::::::: :::::::
sich nich mit so`m kinderkram wie BBS DOORS ab sondern macht | :::::::::::::::+
WIRKLICH interessante sachen (Nicht war M.B.?). |
|
Ich hab echt langsam die backen fett von dem ganzen scheiss |
... Ich weis nur eins: Solange ich auf dem amiga taetig |
bin wird es DEFINITIV doors von mir geben! Sei es nun fuer |
/X,/T\,S!X,FAME oder DD ... egal ... momentan halt /X da |
ich es selber benutze ... Parallel bin ich auch dabei PPE`s |
fuer den pc zu machen ... |
|
So ich hoffe das reicht nun ... |
|
The STILL DOOR CODING ... Fli7e/SAD^KLF^CS! ]----------------'
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[13]
(ZYMOSIS - INU-SOFT - PORO - JORMAS)
ARE ORGANIZING PARTYS FOR YOU!
pROJECT nAME : sOMWHERE iN aUGUST!
[tO bE hELD August 1996]
[Jyväskylä, cENTRAL fINLAND]
------------------------------------
SIA - Invitation
(ZYMOSIS - INU-SOFT - PORO - JORMAS)
ARE ORGANIZING PARTYS FOR YOU!
Project Name:
Somewhere In August
(Final name not decided, send your suggest to organizers)
Competitions:
+ AMIGA DEMO
- Demo MUST be hd-installable and must NOT require assign
to run it.
- Max. lenght 4096kb.
- Compo machine is going to be Amiga boosted with 68o6o!
+ AMIGA 4okb(?) INTRO
- Max. lenght is usual 4okb or 64kb not decided yet!
- Compo machine is going to be Amiga boosted with 68o6o!
+ c64 DEMO
- C64 and 1541 diskdrive or similar.
+ GRAPHICS
- Will be shown with Amiga or any machine you bring along.
- Max resolution is 640*512
- IFF, GIF and JPEG allowed.
- NO RAYTRACED PICTURES TO THIS COMPO!
+ MUSIC
- PT / XM / S3M ...
- Played with Amiga or PC we dunno yet.. Maybe XM and S3Ms with
PC and so on.
+ WILD
- As name says, limit is on your side! But this should not be
VHS or only animation file.
- CONTACT ORGANIZERS BEFORE IF YOU ARE GOING TO ATTEND.
+ VIDEO!
- VHS / BETA films, we prefer something computer generated.
+ SURPRISE COMPOS
- Who knows
NOTE!: There is no(!) PC competitions and there seems to be lack of interest
to organize them(at least at the moment).
Reason:
There is nothing on party scene on august -- so we thought that maybe we
should fix this situation arranging partys featuring real 80s feeling.
Features:
+ raves organized by local rave organizers called NIITTY!
+ da jorma5 live!
+ good audio equipment
+ relaxed athmosphere
+ we are going to fight for so called A-OIKEUDET!
(that will cause a part of hall is over 18 only!)
+ a lot of surprises - features what you haven't EVER seen on any partys!
+ all girls and foreigners are free to come in!m
+ more to come!
When:
August 1996
[no exact dates known yet, planned to be on first weekend!]
Where:
Jyväskylä, In Central Finland [no exact party place decided yet]
How Much:
Estimated entrance fee is about 4o-6o Fim
Contact Organizers:
WWW: http://www.voima.jkl.fi/zymosis/ *NOT AVAILABLE AT DA MOMENT*
EMAIL: zymosis@niitty.3l337.com
BBS: - jUjU - dA mAGIC bOARD at +358-41-3782685 (node1)
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THE RESULTS FROM SATURNE 96!
directly from da Party
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v1.1 : 1 day after
v1.0 : 1 minute after the results.
Saturne III : Results
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620*60frs=37200frs of prices.
1st place = 3 pts
2nd = 2 pts
3rd = 1 pts
Music:
1 - FBY/Soft One 1000frs
2 - Thug/MG Design 700frs
3 - Cash/Mentasm 500frs
4 - Evelred/Capsule & TLOTB
5 - unny/Movement
GFX:
1 - Tenshu/Syndrome 1000frs
2 - Made/Bomb 750frs
3 - HP/Honoo 500frs
4 - Zebig & Suny/Speed
5 - Moxica/Osmose 8)))
Wild
1 - Eagle/Agoa & Pychotrope & Honoo 169pts 2000frs
2 - "De l'art de passer..." Doh/DRD 98pts 1000frs
3 - Golmon Design 91pts 500frs
Intro PC
1 - Eclipse 734pts 2000frs
2 - Olympus & Realtech 567pts 1000frs
3 - Kloon 217pts 500frs
Intro Amiga
1 - Abyss 550pts 2000frs
2 - Les Shadock 386pts 1000frs
3 - Universe 240pts 500frs
Demo Amiga
1 - Skarla : Atome 341pts 6000frs
2 - MG Design : Dimension (preview) 318pts 3000frs
3 - Syndrome : BornDead 215pts 2000frs
4 - Syndrome : 2nd World 180pts
5 - Gods : Worlds 147pts
Demo PC
1 - Oxygene : Contrast 510pts 6000frs
2 - Impact Studio : Bomb 391pts 3000frs
3 - Aegis Corp. : Chapi Chapo 270pts 2000frs
4 - Igloo : Flirt 130pts
5 - Flower Corp. : Orion 90pts
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