DOS pCNJg @ hpNup`dos.libraryQ)[EARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5472; Thu, 26 Apr 90 00:54:57 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 15:46:37 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: NorthC To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Has anybody sucessfully ftp'ed and unzooed the the NorthC.zoo from Fred Fish disk 340 a7{get them till Sept. WHY!!!!!!! If it is realeased and the new chips are out, why in gods name do I have to wait till september!!!! If someone can straighten me out do so....otherwise, I am leaning towards being highly pissed off. Jim Martin Martin%Tigger.Decnet@MSUS1.Bitnet *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3503; Thu, 26 Apr 90 00:54:10 CET Received: by Sb MONOLITH BBS...." Subject: WHAT!!!!! September!!!!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas so as the earlier article says i will have to wait untill September to upgrade my 2000. That is ridiculous!!!....why has commodore led everyone into this alluring new operating system, only to pull it out from under us. I have been saving money for about 2 months now to get the new ECS and Amiga DOS 2.0.....but NOOOOOOO, i can't Mj========================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3488; Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:49:23 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4550; Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:50:05 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 11:43:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "We control the horizontal...We control the vertical....The T ' competitive resolution and 24 bit color? I understand that the new machine can address more memory (greater than the 9 meg cap that we currently have) and that the ECS will address 1 meg. How much does the Mac II use to do it's graphics thing? (Without this S/HAM stuff either, by the way --- I think S/HAM is just an inadequate, slow kludge that I hope we can do away with in the near future.) SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET *:MSGHDR_7 ======================================================ced: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4523; Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:48:53 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 16:31:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: SUTTON@BRANDEIS Subject: How much memory is needed... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas How much memory will the custom graphics chips need to be able to address to have a~yko * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore /// * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3486; Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:48:10 CET Receiv" Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: Bad zoo archive? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have a zoo archive that I lists a file size of 402048 bytes, but when I try list the contents of the archive, zoo says the file is only 290K long. Does anybody know what could be happening? Thanks in advance. ********************************************************** * Tom Ha  kman Latham, New York, USA Bitnet: BRICKMPD@SNYCENVM.BITNET *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3484; Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:44:07 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4471; Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:44:49 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 14:49:40 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments:   z7e 3000 was the video toaster, but I think I remeber them saying that it wasn't quite shipping yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to Real Soon Now: IBIWISI (I'll Believe It When I See It) ......................................................................... There is nothing more useless than Dung (Deng) Xiaoping The "Peoples Republic" is neither. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bric  Iit when I see it" regarding the 3000 on Byte's cover, but I SAW IT :). I was at the unveiling in New York yesterday, and they did unveil all of the things you mentioned: the 3000, networking cards, AmigaDos 2.0, Amigavision. Several third parties were also there displaying products. They included Precision, Inc with Superbase 4, Zumma Group with TV*Text and TV*Show, Word Perfect still with WP4.1, and Newtek with their video toaster. The thing that impressed me the most besides th  ?Hed, 25 Apr 90 18:01:59 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:27:44 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: PETER BRICKMAN Subject: Re: BYTE has the 3000 on the cover! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 23 Apr 90 13:48:00 CDT from I said "I'll believe   ԓhe conclusion that it was my drive. I checked this by swapping my external for the internal. What is weird is that it can still read OK (as far as I can see) but won't write reliably. Anyone got any suggestions? Steve C. (using a friends account) *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3391; Wed, 25 Apr 90 18:01:32 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1516; W1܆a List From: "Dr. Frank Kvasnik" Subject: Disk drives To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I seem to be having a problem with the internal drive of my 500. I was making a copy of a game (which I had bought) as suggested by the manufacturers, and when I tried to play, it crashed. After a number of visits to the shop, where they could happily copy and then play the game I came to ty?ݞNOBIVM.BITNET> I'd also like to know what, if anything, will happen after the turn-off of FINTUVM. Steve C. *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3378; Wed, 25 Apr 90 17:26:30 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1183; Wed, 25 Apr 90 17:26:56 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 08:21:40 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amig3=================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4528; Tue, 01 May 90 21:01:21 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1714; Tue, 01 May 90 21:02:07 O Date: Tue, 1 May 90 15:26:04 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Dr. Frank Kvasnik" Subject: More on FINTUVM To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi freaks, I know there's been a lot of hilarity and euphoria about the A3000 nowadays. But I wonder : who's the A3000 for, and what will be the target marget for this state of the art machine. All the new (??) items mentioned on the bullitin board are rather nice, but which people are in need for such a machine ??? Generally one could say that the A500 is for former C64 freaks (most people won't like thiS@*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4507; Tue, 01 May 90 17:57:08 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9431; Tue, 01 May 90 17:57:48 O Date: Tue, 1 May 90 17:27:19 MET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Space Harrier Subject: Who's the A3000 fPHwith it 8^) Ives Aerts GUTEST9 at BLEKUL11.BITNET ------------------------- *:MSGHDR_23 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4269; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:08:46 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8008; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:09:08 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 12:52:01 BST Reply-To: O) Outtasight Lyngaas I've recently seen a lot of postings about listings of fish disks. Therefor I've just put a complete (1-350) list of all the fish disks on TAPSERV at BLEKUL11.BITNET the filename is fishlist1-350.zoo and it lives in the amiga/fish directory. Send an interactive msg. or a mail containing the command 'get amiga/fish/fishlist1-350.zoo' to get a copy of it. You'll need zoo and perhaps an ebcedic to ascii converter to read the list. Have fun Np@=================================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4300; Mon, 30 Apr 90 17:20:57 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9352; Mon, 30 Apr 90 17:21:34 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 17:13:31 +0200 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Ives Aerts Subject: Complete fish list at blekul11 To: EspenM+AP Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "P.N.J. Vlietstra" Subject: Stupid mistake.... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Could the kind person who sent me a copy of the "Workbench 2.0 - look" program mail me another copy ? I accidentally deleted and I have no name of the sender either..... Thanks, Peter Vlietstra CMP8163@sys.uea.ac.uk *:MSGHDR_24 =============L AMIX does exist, it is up and running on an amiga attached to the internet somewhere at Commodore. The Amiga over here in Britain has a fair amount of GOOD stuff developed for it - what's more, most of the decent development packages come from Britain, such as ArgAsm. Talking about Lotus porting 1..2..3.. across to the Amiga.. Why do they bother? They've been beaten to it by about three years by Analyze - That can load Lotus spreadsheets and is a sight eaH~===================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4265; Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:19:55 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7800; Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:20:27 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 02:16:24 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: ST4012704@PRIME-A.OXFORD-POLY.AC.UK Subject: AMIX - It does exist To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas G-^r far as I know, the flickerFixer on the A3000 is a real flickerFixer just like the A2000's with an external frame buffer. The main problem with the graphics chipset is the video bandwidth, and since that wasn't solved ( unfortunately ), they had to use an external flickerFixer. Unlike MicroWay's flickerFixer, this one uses dynamic RAMs instead of static RAMs, so it's much cheaper. The flicker fixer is atcually one of the new custom chips. Udi *:MSGHDR_22 ===========================F ta List Comments: If you have trouble reaching this host as math.tau.ac.il Please use the old address: user@taurus.bitnet Comments: W: Field "Resent-From:/From:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. Comments: W: Field "FROM:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. From: FINKEL@TAURUS Subject: A3000 flickerFixer To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas AsE!г4) Oxford, OX4 4YH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4251; Mon, 30 Apr 90 09:02:23 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6474; Mon, 30 Apr 90 09:01:19 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 09:42:47 +0300 Reply-To: finkel@math.tau.ac.il Sender: Info-AmigD"Q>) wouldn't be able to genlock to normal PAL/NTSC video (though you could to D2-MAC or HI-VISION, which has twice the line frequency anyway). ___Welshie ------------------------------------------Snailmail:---Simon Hewison------------ Janet: st4012704@oxpoly.a Heyford Hill House BITNET/EARN : st4012704%a.oxpoly.ac.uk@ukacrl Heyford Hill Lane Phone: 0865-775613 Littlemore FAX: 0865-819073 (Quote ST401270C#%Sn you just tell Denise oi! I want you to pump out a signal twice as fast as normal oh, and forget to do interlace. This is the sensible way of doing it, since it saves having a huge frame buffer to buffer everything then pump that frame out at twice the rate. Also, it would mean that fitting an ECS Denise into an A500/A2000 would give you in effect a cheap flicker-fixer, all you would need is a VGA or multisync monitor. The only problem I can forsee is this is the case is that youB$ga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: ST4012704@PRIME-A.OXFORD-POLY.AC.UK Subject: Specs for ECS To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Subject: What are the specs for ECS? I have heard and seen the A3000 on display, complete with the nice new flicker- free interlace mode.. Question: Is the flicker fixer a bodge-job flicker fixer like on the A2000, or is it actually part of the real video chip - ie. caA% employer, or any other sane human being. * ******************************************************************************* *:MSGHDR_20 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4182; Sun, 29 Apr 90 22:35:47 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3584; Sun, 29 Apr 90 22:36:21 O Date: Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:11:03 BST Reply-To: Info-Ami@&+macho ******************************************************************************* * J. Gregory Wright BITNet: GREG@UC780 * * Pilot Research Associates, Inc. InterNet: greg@uc780.umd.edu * * Vienna, Virginia greg@socrates.umd.edu * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * The views expressed herein do not necessarily reflect the views of my * *?'w, well then :-). Consider that the A3000 is, from what I can tell, targeted at a slightly higher-end user than the A500 or the A2000... and it looks like CBM intends to support those models for quite a while... with some upgrading of the A2000 hardware (ECS, FlickeFixer, et al.), you're going to have most of the capabilities of an A3000). The flickerFixer is a big thing, and that is mainly where you lose. I dunno. And yes, where is that Unix they've been chatting about? >Carlos Ca>(3. ) >I think if CBM did this THEN they could get rid of the keyboard on the >A500, give it a CD-ROm and sell it as a Education/Game computer, and >have the REAL dealers carry the A1500, the 'new' A2000 ( Redesign the >case to match the other models.) and the A3000. ( I heard that the A2500/20 >was discountinued.) Well, you know, it could happen that CBM will release a game machine... if they market it as the Commodore Wiz-Bang or something, and don't associate the Amiga name with it=)EMof all IBM stuff... and give me a lower price >lets say between $700 and $1200. And then (grining very much) give me Ok, I've heard this alot too... ;-) The thing is, the MS-DOS connections do not add appreciably to the cost of the machine, because it is all very standard and available. >an A1500 for my A500 deal!!! he he... I would buy this machine, how >about anybody else??? I need video slots, and cpu slot , a detachable >keyboard but I don't have $4000 for an A3000 ( yet......<*, 28 Apr 90 13:54:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: GREG@UC780 Subject: re: For Mike on A500 woes... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > BTW..... I hear this everywhere but I'll bring up the subject again.... >Soooooo.... I call on CBM to give me a Amiga A1500!!! Put it inside the >A3000 case, get rid ;+t necessarily reflect the views of my * * employer, or any other sane human being. * ******************************************************************************* *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4171; Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:21:36 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2193; Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:22:11 O Date: Sat:,1es... they've dropped some of the earlier listings... ******************************************************************************* * J. Gregory Wright BITNet: GREG@UC780 * * Pilot Research Associates, Inc. InterNet: greg@uc780.umd.edu * * Vienna, Virginia greg@socrates.umd.edu * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * The views expressed herein do no9-pIn, 29 Apr 90 21:16:46 O Date: Sun, 29 Apr 90 01:17:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: GREG@UC780 Subject: RE: 3270 IBM emulator To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >Why not look in Amazing Computing for a COMPLETE Fred Fish disk Dir????? Amazing Computing's list isn't complete in the regular issue8."g_ \\__//|| \\____// |\\ | || // |_\\| ____________________________________// | SCUBA equipped! | 96994999%WSUVM1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4169; Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:16:01 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2074; Su7//'D. I've tried Kermit on Handshake, VLT (built-in) and XPR-Kermit (some success, but still not good enough to actually use). The 3090 here only has CMS-Kermit available. Have any hints for doing file transfers with this machine? ____ || || // // || ||_____ // ____// // Amiga powered! || // // // // // \\ \X/ || // // \\ //| \\ \\ __ __// //____60; Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Jeff Heller <96994999@WSUVM1> Subject: Sign me up. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Please sign me onto the Info-Amiga list. Also, I have a question. I am using my Amiga to communicate with the local VM/CMS IBM 3090-300E mainframe computer. I am having terrible difficulty in making Kermit transfers to our machine. The technicians here are barely aware that an Amiga is a computer51& I would love to use it with AudioMaster II. Is this possible? Andy *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4165; Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:11:05 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2000; Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:11:43 O Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 14:36:02 PLT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: 42Sovp. 2. I just purchased Dragon's Lair II but have problems installing it on my Xetec 30M external hard drive. I have an Amiga 500 with 1 meg of RAM. I have ASSIGNed the /s directory like it said to but when I try to run the game from the hard drive, it keeps on saying to insert the floppy disks. In other words, it still runs from floppy. Any insights on what I am doing wrong. 3. I just purchased Perfect Sound Sampler. It seems to work with its own software but33)%-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: andrew senft Subject: Re: AMIX X-To: I-AMIGA@UBVM%pucc.PRINCETON.EDU%nisc.nyser.net To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Couple of questions for you GURU's out there... 1. Why does AMAX print more than 66 lines on my Pansonic KX-P1124 printer? I tried all different printer drivers from the AMAX setup plus I tried combinations of Epson and Nec Pinwriter from the Amiga Prefs setu24a///////////////////////////////// *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4163; Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:08:57 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1940; Sun, 29 Apr 90 21:09:41 O Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 13:00:15 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I15a Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett - Systems Administrator, Computer Science Department | | The Johns Hopkins University, 34th and Charles Sts., Baltimore, MD 21218 | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////06`-: ... when they do it will allow us to have access to ALOT of >software??? I don't understand your questions. UNIX software is UNIX software. There's tons of it, and much of it is free. >And.... now that Byte considers the Amiga 'mainstream' what do you guys >think the BIG software corps will do? Lotus is porting 1-2-3 to the Amiga. This is not rumor. An Amiga developer has reported directly that he knows the people working on the port. This information comes from BIX. /7*n@NOBIVM.BITNET> Carlos Camacho writes: >I also want to know about what happen to Amiga-Unix... There was >alot of talk but CBM didn't release it?? Commodore AMIX (now called simply "Amiga UNIX") is AT&T System V Release 4 UNIX. NOBODY has released their SysVR4 UNIX yet, and nobody is expected to release it before September. Amiga UNIX release dates have NOTHING to do with Amiga 3000 release dates. Commodore will release its UNIX when it's ready. End of discussion. >Is it true.8ѐ506; Sat, 28 Apr 90 17:39:58 O Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 11:30:16 -0400 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was barrett@CRABCAKE.CS.JHU.EDU Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dan Barrett Subject: AMIX X-To: i-amiga@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Mr. Stephen Culshaw" Subject: GIF's To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Can anyone tell me how to use a program I downloaded called SHOWGIF? Alright I can get it to load a picture with SHOWGIF 'filename' and it happ+;Bz only the Software companies... And finally.... Whats the Latest word on Amiga in Germany, England, and Japan??? (That old Amigaworld issue said that they were hurting somewhat.) Carlos Camacho ////////// SEE YA AT THE WORLD OF AMIGA SHOW!!!! *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4085; Sat, 28 Apr 90 07:35:28 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6433; S*<%.I know that there allready alot of good software out there but... there are a few that I would like to see on the Amiga... (Maybe a nice simple Amiga PFS First choice with every new computer???) Also ... what are your oppions on Amiga pirating???? It seems like it's really getting bad. I know alot of guys who had 64's and now that they have amiga's they just download elite software. Would it be wise for ADA to compaign against it?? It seems like the government doesn't give a hoot...)=ŹWarning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: AMIX To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I also want to know about what happen to Amiga-Unix... There was alot of talk but CBM didn't release it?? Is it true ... when they do it will allow us to have access to ALOT of software??? And.... now that Byte considers the Amiga 'mainstream' what do you guys think the BIG software corps will do? (>c1========================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4051; Sat, 28 Apr 90 04:31:24 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4914; Sat, 28 Apr 90 04:32:05 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 22:11:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: '?&.$Mmiga List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: 3270 IBM emiulator To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Why not look in Amazing Computing for a COMPLETE Fred Fish disk Dir????? *:MSGHDR_13 ======================================&@ٹ side note about Amiga monitors that wasn't mentioned. It can be used for both CGA (RGB) and composite as well. *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4049; Sat, 28 Apr 90 04:29:20 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4853; Sat, 28 Apr 90 04:30:02 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 21:53:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-A%Ag4&ceived: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3870; Sat, 28 Apr 90 01:56:11 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 19:08:58 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: andrew senft Subject: Re: Amiga Monitor????? X-To: I-AMIGA@UBVM%pucc.PRINCETON.EDU%nisc.nyser.net To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas A$BOIVM.BITNET> thanks for answering guys, but i need to contact the programmer of aftterm on fish disk 170, his program is what i need. I need the version that has file transferring or his address to send him money, if you are the author or you know him, is there a c64ftterm ????? MARV *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4043; Sat, 28 Apr 90 01:55:24 CET Re#CmKceived: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4010; Fri, 27 Apr 90 23:31:36 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2862; Fri, 27 Apr 90 23:32:19 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 13:14:09 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Marvin Subject: AFTTERM To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Any of the Amiga monitors (1080/1084/1084S) can be used as monitors for PCs that ouput CGA signals. Most CGA ports are Digital RGB, but there are a few that are Analog. Just get the right cable and set the switch correctly for D vs A and + vs - sync and your in business. Just DONT screw up and hook it into a EGA or VGA port. Mark *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Re!EͼrReceived: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4008; Fri, 27 Apr 90 22:46:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2568; Fri, 27 Apr 90 22:47:19 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:40:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Re: Amiga Monitor????? To:  F)DB88002@NOBIVM.BITNET> hello world, the discussion concerning the a3000 is nice but that is all. i wonder why amiga users have nothing better to do than playing the prophet. i tried several times to correspond on some hardware problems. the response is rather poor. is there nobody in world who is working with this wonderful machine? juergen wentz karlsruhe, west-germany iak111 at dkakfk3 *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ G!========================================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4004; Fri, 27 Apr 90 22:45:43 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2545; Fri, 27 Apr 90 22:46:30 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 22:29:20 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: IAK111@DKAKFK3 Subject: Moan...Moan...Moan To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas A3000 case, get rid of all IBM stuff... and give me a lower price >lets say between $700 and $1200. Hah. "all IBM stuff" in the A3000 is a couple of connectors and some wire. Taking those out is not going to change the price by much. If they did repackage an A500 in a A3000 case, it probably would come out more towards $1200 than $700--the integrated keyboard is a major manufacturing cost saver. -Dan Riley (dsr@crnlns) -Wilson Lab, Cornell University *:MSGHDR_8 ======ITo2o, and the beta versions are also *MUCH* more prone to crashing spontaneously. (In fact, I hear that the demo units don't have 2.0 in ROM. The ROM has code to load Kickstart off the hard disk (no fooling) into 512K of 32-bit RAM, and then remap over the ROM area with the MMU. The hard disk comes with both 1.3 and 2.0 beta 4 available.) And "postmaster@ctstateu" (General Delivery) writes, in "For Mike on A500 woes...": >Soooooo.... I call on CBM to give me a Amiga A1500!!! Put it JWWVme things ran] > We'll see in the next couple of weeks how good/bad things really are. >I don't think it will be terrible (at least I hope not). Umm, actually, no, we won't. The 2.0 going out in the demo units is still very much beta software. It's going to be months before 2.0 approaches release, and testing stuff against the beta versions really doesn't tell you that much about compatibility--in general, beta versions break a lot more software than the final release versions dKa`ty Finkel has indeed said that it is *technically* possible to run 2.0 on an A1000 with a 2Meg auto-config expansion card, or a ROM tower. This does not mean that Commodore will support either option--that's a marketing decision, which the techs like Andy have very little control over. (I have no idea why it has to be a 2meg board) GIAMPAL@AUVM said, in "RE: 2.0 compatability woes": >well I played with 2.0 on an A3000 yesterday, and [goes on to say that some things crashed and soL)̸the official press release: Commodore further announced an AmigaDOS 2.0 enhancer kit for A2000 series machines to be available in September. Availability of a 2.0 enhancer kit for A500 series machines will be announced at a future date. In other words, there will be a 2.0 for the A500, but when it will be available is a marketing decision. I haven't heard of any technical problems with 2.0 on the 500 from any reliable sources. As for the A1000, AndMDغ.0, a500, a1000, etc. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Comment: forwarded by CRNLNS/FMAIL v2.0 Comment: REPLY may not work. Comment: Network-Source: _LNS62::DSR (HEPnet/SPAN) Comment: Originally-From: DSR "Dan Riley" Comment: Originally-To: JNET%"i-amiga@ubvm" MIKE ELIAS [MIGHTY AMIGO] SYSTEMS ANALYSIS" wrote: > I have heard from 2 different postings here and on NEWS that the >AmigaDos 2.0 will not be available for the A500's From N #HE======================================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3981; Fri, 27 Apr 90 21:03:08 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1562; Fri, 27 Apr 90 21:02:59 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 13:17:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: DSR@CRNLNS Subject: 2O9g3Mark Gooderum Only... \ Good Cheer !!! Academic Computing Services /// \___________________________ University of Kansas /// /| __ _ Bix: markgood \\\ /// /__| |\/| | | _ /_\ makes it Bitnet: MARKV@UKANVAX \/\/ / | | | | |__| / \ possible... Internet: markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *:MSGHDR_7 ========P)l or even a lot of PCs by the time they get a video card, drive controller(s), I/O card, etc. > >"If Commodore can market as good as they talk, and the 3000 is all it's > >cracked up to be, the other two guys are in real trouble." > > It looks like an AWESOME machine! Agreed, I was really blown away by the price point they were able to make. I can hardly wait to see what educational pricing is. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qbz isn't as bad as it sounds, assuming manufactures figure out that space tight and start designing 1/2 length cards. This wouldn't be hard, a lot of Amiga cards still have a lot of wasted real estate, using discrete componanants. The kind of power users who will fill up a 3000 will be willing to pay and extra $100 for a 1/2 card w/VLSI to fit in more *stuff*. Also, since the hard drive controller is on board, thats one less slot needed, and still more space than a Mac IIcx or IIci,RWRUTVM1 From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Re: 3000 NEWS!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > >4 amiga expansion slots, two pc slots, a video slot, and a cpu slot.... > > This is really only 4 slots, each serving double-duty. Two are > Amiga/PC-AT slots (you choose), one is Amiga/video (you choose), and one is > Amiga/CPU (you choose). (By "X/Y" I mean "can serve as an X slot or a Y > slot"). ThisSY2octor (KILLIAN@UNCG.BITNET) *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3979; Fri, 27 Apr 90 21:02:09 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1531; Fri, 27 Apr 90 21:01:36 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 12:25:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@T?UTVM1 From: The Mad Doctor Subject: 1.4 & 2.0: Is there a difference? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Well, the subject about says it all. In one of the press releases posted here it said that 2.0 and 1.4 were NOT the same thing, however there's all this talk about "2.0 for 2000/500/whatever" and none at all about 1.4 So let's clear this up: was 1.4 renamed to 2.0? Or if not, what's the difference? Confused, The Mad DU"Doctor KILLIAN@UNCG.BITNET *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3977; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:59:15 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1497; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:59:49 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:29:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RV+*other Amigas. If I could trade in the A500 and say $400 for an A1500, yeah I'd do it as soon as I got the cash. I think you'd also need to keep the 500's expansion slot so those who have bought hard drives etc. for the 500 can still use those (although things such as the 501 should be included in the trade-in deal.) >p.s. DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF CBM OFFERS A CO-OP or INTERNSHIP AT THERE >WEST CHESTER SITE??? ( I know some of ya are laughing.... 8-) If they do, let me know! The Mad WWve $4000 for an A3000 ( yet....... ) >I think if CBM did this THEN they could get rid of the keyboard on the >A500, give it a CD-ROm and sell it as a Education/Game computer, and >have the REAL dealers carry the A1500, the 'new' A2000 ( Redesign the >case to match the other models.) and the A3000. ( I heard that the A2500/20 >was discountinued.) This is an excellent idea...my old 500 just sits there doing just fine, everything I always wanted in a computer, except of course for the X*#.... well as we all know by now it's >still got the MS-DOG stuff (Although you can switch the slots to amiga.) > >Soooooo.... I call on CBM to give me a Amiga A1500!!! Put it inside the >A3000 case, get rid of all IBM stuff... and give me a lower price >lets say between $700 and $1200. And then (grining very much) give me >an A1500 for my A500 deal!!! he he... I would buy this machine, how >about anybody else??? I need video slots, and cpu slot , a detachable >keyboard but I don't ha YPg011:50:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: The Mad Doctor Subject: The A1500 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >I was speaking with a Tech at a BIG Amiga dealer and he said when he saw >old prototypes for the A3000, he was told original it would be a lower >end A2000 without the MS-DOG stuff Zxh | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3969; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:38:19 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1278; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:38:45 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90  [P<[scussed on comp.sys.amiga about a year ago. The PC slots cost almost NO money to add. Therefore, taking them away does not reduce the price much at all. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett - Systems Administrator, Computer Science Department | | The Johns Hopkins University, 34th and Charles Sts., Baltimore, MD 21218 | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu  \$جwas barrett@CRABCAKE.CS.JHU.EDU Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dan Barrett Subject: For Mike on A500 woes... X-To: i-amiga@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Carlos Camacho writes: >Soooooo.... I call on CBM to give me a Amiga A1500!!! Put it inside the >A3000 case, get rid of all IBM stuff... and give me a lower price.... This was di ]Ra8------------------------------------- *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3967; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:36:31 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1258; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:37:06 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 13:29:08 -0400 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag ^,# Systems Manager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New York State College of Ceramics 1482 Water Wells Rd Alfred University Alfred Station, New York 14803 McMahon Engineering Alfred, New York 14802 BITNET: FHANNAN@CERAMICS (607) 871 - 2444 INTERNET: bigvax.alfred.edu ------------------------------------------_o7tplace, all of us must be more informed and avoid panic at the smallest rumor of change. When someone who knows nothing of the Amiga sees this, they are biased away from the machine, and will always have a bad impression of the system. We want newcomers to have positive impressions. Please try to be more informed before starting in about having to have this or that, and all software will cease to function. -- Kevin P. Hannan -- `Cgafford to make changes. We need to debug the new system to reduce the impact the userbase. We usually target a low impact machine for upgrade to work out the bugs, then upgrade the rest. The whole idea is to avoid breaking things. Sometimes it can't be helped, but we do our best. All of this talk of things not working, and that you need to have XYZ hardware updates, tend to hurt the reputation of a very good machine. If we want the Amiga to become more popular in the markeaEZthe WB2.0, but without ECS, you will not get the new features of ECS, simple as that. Older modes and features should continue to work properly. Also, no one is holding a gun to your head to move to WB2.0. If you a paralyzed by fear of software not functioning, don't upgrade right away. I tend to wait on upgrading my VAXen until others have tried and I get word on complications, then make the decision to upgrade or not. In a university there are only a few times a year we can bF Espen Outtasight Lyngaas There seems to be a common attitude that anything new will obsolete anything currently in existence. A company WILL not do this, unless they have a death wish. Many assume that the new OS will not work on the current machines, and will break most of the software. This is not completely true. Some software will not run because they do not conform to recommended practice. The Enhanced Chip Set is not a reqirement for c b:51 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1240; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:36:20 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 11:46:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: A3000 and WB2.0 To: dg Subject: IBM 3270 emulator. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi guys, need an IBM 3270 emulator which can emulate an ibm 9370 like the ftterm on the ibm, i heard there was one in the fish disks, know where ? Answer personally please. MARV *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3963; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:35eW2*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3951; Fri, 27 Apr 90 19:41:14 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0718; Fri, 27 Apr 90 19:42:02 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 09:58:13 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Marvin 5Jd\Please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jim Martin Martin%Tigger.Decnet@msus1.bitnet r one, but i could not remember the address... -alejandro *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7063; Tue, 15 May 90 23:49:50 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8700; Tue, 15 May 90 23:50:25 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 14:58:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List 4ggpSender: Info-Amiga List From: "We control the horizontal...We control the verticle....The MONOLITH BBS" Subject: More AHHHHHHHHH!!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have tried: DiskSalv normally and w/ LOMEM (Both result in OUT OF MEMORY errs) DiskDoctor wouldnt even start w/o saying Not Enough Memory oh, by the way the HD I am trying to salvage is an 80meg. 3hQET> Does anybody know of a good ftp site to get HAM pictures? I remember one, but i could not remember the address... -alejandro *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7063; Tue, 15 May 90 23:49:50 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8700; Tue, 15 May 90 23:50:25 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 14:58:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List 2i؃9i======================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7053; Tue, 15 May 90 21:26:30 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8063; Tue, 15 May 90 21:26:51 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 10:52:01 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Alejandro J. Kurczyn S." <499229@VMTECMEX.BITNET> Subject: HAM pictures To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas UUCP: ...!ames,sun,texbell,!utarlg.arl.utexas.edu!c072erh *:MSGHDR_20 ========================================================0kԣ lists are setup. I have not figured this out yet and I think the best solution is to remove the peer structure and go to one main list. Peering is left over from a previous version of listserv and there is a better way to do an interest list now. I believe Matti is working on doing this now. Matti? The problem with SUB I-AMIGA messages is that people are blinding reply to the expiration notice which sends the message to I-AMIGA and not the LISTSERV. /lst at UTARLVM1, otherwise we would have been disconnected from the main list as happened some time last year. I made the mistake of telling LISTSERV@UTARLVM1 to add I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 without suppressing the normal subscription confirmation notice. Therefore a subscription notice was sent to I-AMIGA@RUTVM1, which repeated it to the rest of the main list as a valid I-AMIGA post. The problem with subscription expiring appears to stem from the way LISTSERV.mWxDB88002@NOBIVM.BITNET> > How about it, 'Ray 'Starsailor' Howard----Care to explain to > everyone whats going on? > > Bill Morrison (WMORRISO@ESOC.BITNET) > > End of Message Well, (blush) the subscription notice for being added by Ray Howard was my fault. It was like this. The I-Amiga list at UTARLVM1 decided to remove its peer I-AMIGA@RUTVM1. So as a quick fix I added I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 (only list owners get to add other users) back into the li-nz================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7043; Tue, 15 May 90 17:05:49 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5692; Tue, 15 May 90 17:05:14 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 09:41:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Ray 'StarSailer' Howard Subject: RE: Subscriptions to list I-Amiga To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Heiko as UK85@DKAUNI2.BITNET" Subject: SCSI HD's To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi, I'm searching for a SCSI HD with about 40-50 MB Who has experience with what drive ? Please send me an answer - Quick ! -Heiko ************************************************************************ ** HEIKO RUPP *q2 Ives Aerts GUTEST9 at BLEKUL11.BITNET (not for long anymore) *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7021; Tue, 15 May 90 13:49:38 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3678; Tue, 15 May 90 13:50:01 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 11:54:00)rGst 1-350 now available on tapserv To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello world 8^) for all those people who had trouble with the ebcdic version.... I've converted it to ascii (someone please verify if it's ok) and put it on tapserv, our file server. To order it send a mail or interactive message to TAPSERV at BLEKUL11.BITNET containing the command : get amiga/fish/fishlist1-350ascii.zoo You'll probably need uudecode and zoo to read it. (suSE.NL *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7004; Tue, 15 May 90 12:05:09 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2600; Tue, 15 May 90 12:05:54 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 11:28:55 +0200 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Ives Aerts Subject: Ascii fishli'tX0̮07) with BSMTP id 6978; Tue, 15 May 90 11:00:06 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1694; Tue, 15 May 90 11:00:54 O Daue: Uue, 15 May 90 10:41:22 +0200 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: S89406114@HSEPM1.HSE.NL Subject: re: AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Maybe a 'diskdoctor' will solve your problems..... Henk Manders S89406114@HSEPM1.H&udnof all mail? Judging by the amount of confirm and sub messages appearing in the list mail over the last few days, I'm obviously not the only one who is a little confused. How about it, 'Ray 'Starsailor' Howard----Care to explain to everyone whats going on? Bill Morrison (WMORRISO@ESOC.BITNET) End of Message *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.%v,Fc "W.H. MORRISON" Subject: Subscriptions to list I-Amiga To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi there, Can someone tell me what the hell is going on with these continued messages about subscription to I-Amiga expiring, and being added to the list by Ray Howard at UTARLVM1. I subscribe to I-Amiga at DEARN (in Germany) so does this new subscription (Which I did not request) mean that I will now receive two copies $w5MxRO" command to LISTSERV@UTARLVM1. Virtually, The LISTSERV management *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6965; Tue, 15 May 90 08:21:24 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0526; Tue, 15 May 90 08:22:05 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 08:17:09 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: #xXe note that it is presently possible for anybody to determine that you are signed up to the list through the use of the "REVIEW" command, which returns the network address and name of all the subscribers. If you do not wish your name to be available to others in this fashion, just issue a "SET I-AMIGA CONCEAL" command. More information on LISTSERV commands can be found in the "General Introduction guide", which you can retrieve by sending an "INFO GENINT"ySRmng a "SIGNOFF I-AMIGA" command to LISTSERV@UTARLVM1. Please note that this command must NOT be sent to the list address (I-AMIGA@UTARLVM1) but to the LISTSERV address (LISTSERV@UTARLVM1). The amount of acknowledgement you wish to receive from this list upon completion of a mailing operation can be changed by means of a "SET I-AMIGA option" command, where "option" may be either "ACK" (mail acknowledgement), "MSGACK" (interactive messages only) or "NOACK". Pleas!z0Ћga List From: "1.6d Revised List Processor" Subject: Your subscription to list I-AMIGA X-cc: FYS-MA@FINTUVM.BITNET To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Dear networker, As of Monday, May the 14th of 1990, you have been added to the LISTSERV distribution list I-AMIGA (Info-Amiga List) by 'Ray 'StarSailer' Howard' . You may leave the list at any time by sendi {X3e (COLOUR??) controls movements in the y-direction (vertical) so I can patch that too??? Thanks! A0NJ@UNB.CA *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6926; Tue, 15 May 90 03:29:33 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8248; Tue, 15 May 90 03:29:50 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 18:09:26 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Ami|}$mes and sometimes not. Also, the vertical y-axis is acting up too depending on which way I wiggle the wire. In other words, its DEFINITELY a problem with the wires. Later this evening... I patched the mouse button (left) so it now works. I just cut a hole at one end (9-pin side) and cut the BLUE wire (left mouse button from what I could tell) then rewired a new wire from that side down to the mouse (inside). But that didn't fix the y-coord movements. So, I now need to know which wir}.%Kelp!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi there, PLEASE RESPOND TO ME DIRECTLY AS I AM NO LONGER SUBSCRIBED TO THE LIST (until September). Now, it seems my mouse has decided to malfunction on me.. Earlier this morning my left mouse button refused to work. It's been going down hill for months due to an unfortunate accident which yanked on the cord and loosendthe base of the wire (just where it enters the mouse).. I can jiggle it and it will work someti~==================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6924; Tue, 15 May 90 03:29:02 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8229; Tue, 15 May 90 03:29:27 O Date: Sun, 13 May 90 20:20:21 ADT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: <13MAY90.21980417.0047.MUSIC@UNB.CA> From: Greg Patterson Subject: Mouse problems. H Info-Amiga List From: "P.N.J. Vlietstra" Subject: RZ/SZ for VMS To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Has anyone got the source (or executables) of rz and sz (the receive Z-Modem and send Z-Modem transfer protocols) for use with VAX/VMS ? If so, could it be mailed to me ? Thanks, Peter Vlietstra CMP8163@uk.ac.uea.sys University of East Anglia Norwich England. *:MSGHDR_13 ============================I WANT a reason!....I'd like an UnDeletion Program....... PLEASE!!!!!!! Jim Martin MARTIN%TIGGER.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6922; Tue, 15 May 90 03:28:22 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8215; Tue, 15 May 90 03:29:05 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 17:51:40 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: a* Sun, 13 May 90 22:31:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "We control the horizontal...We control the verticle....The MONOLITH BBS" Subject: AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I selected a file from my main directory to DISCARD. The amiga proceeded to delete 3 ENTIRE directories of files!!!!! cm\ystem-manager the Netherlands Cancer Institute Amsterdam. Tel. : (31) 20-5122458 Home number : (31) 2206-1789 ROBBEL@VAXH.NKI.NL PSI%02041291011::ROBBEL *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6888; Mon, 14 May 90 20:46:11 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4664; Mon, 14 May 90 20:46:45 O Date:xܬ that it will release a 68040 version of its computer > in the fourth quarter of this year both as a $1495 upgrade and as a complete > computer. Does anyone know how soon an Amiga 68040 card will be released? There is a rumour that GVP is developing a 68040 Turboboard which should come out as soon as the '40 appears. No further details. -- Rob > Virtually, > > -- > Carwil James > ID:AB980@Cleveland.FreeNet.Edu > // > \\// Only Amiga Makes It Possible Robert Belleman, s4XzBSMTP id 6883; Mon, 14 May 90 20:13:49 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4412; Mon, 14 May 90 20:13:49 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 17:20:00 MET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Sent using PMDF-822 V3.1, routing is done by SARA5 From: Robert Belleman Subject: Re: 68040 NeXT To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > NeXT, Inc. just announcedY"HAR +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Void where inhibited by law. For redistribution, please include sourc Konrad Neuwirth Earn/BitNet: a4422dae@awiuni11 Fernkorngasse 44/2/4 VoiceNet: KONRAD!!!!!!!!! 1100 Wien, Austria (Europe) Soon coming to BIX. *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with سWhey are both read only lists for the redistribution. All you will get when writing to the lists is a listserv mail telling you that you don't have the authorization to write to that list. Please use the berkeley gateway instead. COMP-SYS-AMIGA-TECH@UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU or any other newsgroup, for that matter. Only be careful to substitute dashes for the full-stops. This topic has already come up a lot of times. . . (sigh!). Konrad Neuwirth The Friendly Listowner of CSAMIGA and AMIGAlzweply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Konrad Neuwirth Subject: RE: Posting to comp.sys.amiga.tech To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 11 May 90 17:30:00 EDT from <1150055@LAVALVX1> This is not true!! Please do NOT try to mail to either CSAMIGA or AMIGAHAR, the bitnet redistributions of comp.sys.amiga.tech and csa.hardware! T7K * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6881; Mon, 14 May 90 20:13:26 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4400; Mon, 14 May 90 20:13:11 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 17:16:46 MEZ Rq^NHUTC> From: Tom J Hayko Subject: Hard Drive Controllers?? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I'm finally going to get around to buying a hard drive for my Amiga 2000. Does anybody have an sugguestions as to which controller I should buy? ********************************************************** * Tom Hayko * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore ///9g command: SUBscribe I-AMIGA Virtually, The LISTSERV management *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6879; Mon, 14 May 90 20:12:52 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4375; Mon, 14 May 90 20:13:00 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 23:08:51 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "1.6d Revised List Processor" Subject: Expiration of your subscription to list I-AMIGA To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Dear subscriber, Your subscription to list I-AMIGA has expired and you have failed to confirm it in the 7 days delay that you had been granted. You have therefore been automatically removed from the list. You can re-subscribe to it, if you so desire, by means of the followin:]yot, Peter Vlietstra CMP8163@sys.uea.ac.uk University of East Anglia Norwich England. *:MSGHDR_7 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6877; Mon, 14 May 90 20:12:27 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4357; Mon, 14 May 90 20:12:47 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 06:00:03 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List fK/d-Amiga List From: "P.N.J. Vlietstra" Subject: Fishlist Again... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello, Someone sent me a copy of the fishlist1-350.zuu, but unfortunately this was in non-ASCII format. I have not been able to convert it. Can anybody send me a copy of this list or, if that is not possible, give me the address of the server (including directory path) where I can find it ? Thanks a l " a PD program that does the job ? Peter Vlietstra CMP8163@sys.uea.ac.uk University of East Anglia Norwich England. *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6842; Mon, 14 May 90 12:21:43 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9729; Mon, 14 May 90 12:22:36 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 10:08:22 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info nMon, 14 May 90 12:21:13 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9710; Mon, 14 May 90 12:22:09 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 10:10:46 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "P.N.J. Vlietstra" Subject: KCS->DMCS ? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Is it possible to convert Dr. T's KCS ALL files to Deluxe Music Construction Set files ? If so, is there B As FINTUVM is about to die at the end of June, where/how can we access the Simtel service after that date? I wish to download files from ETANA and MRCNEXT. Can anyone help?? I am not able to get files via FTP! Gary *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6840;  ቏tarlg.arl.utexas.edu!c072erh *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6834; Mon, 14 May 90 08:48:20 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8316; Mon, 14 May 90 08:49:07 O Date: Mon, 14 May 90 07:32:09 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: BRITTAING@SPOCK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject:  nly comparable system is the GVP board which is costs about the same (~$2000) for the 8M 32-bit access ram board. Since 1M X 4 ZIPs are fairly new I expect the prices to drop about the time most people are ready to put 16MBs in an Amiga 3000. --ray. Ray Howard // Bitnet: c136erh@utarlg \X/ #include Internet: c072erh@utarlg.arl.utexas.edu UUCP: ...!ames,sun,texbell,!u0i56K x 4 ZIPs (100 ns) $10.50 each ($85 a meg) $340 for full 4 megs. > > 1meg x 4 ZIPs (??? ns) $68 each ($550 for 4 megs, which is smallest increment ) > It would cost about $2200 for a full 16 meg of RAM!!!!!!!!! > > Sorry if this message is unledgible, the VMS editor seems to be acting up agai n. > > Dale hollenbaugh > hollenbaugh@garnet.bucknell.edu Sounds cheap to me. Considering that the Amiga 3000 memory is 32-bit 0 wait state access for the CPU. Also, the oQno (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6796; Sun, 13 May 90 05:14:11 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4924; Sun, 13 May 90 05:14:50 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 21:59:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Ray 'StarSailer' Howard Subject: RE: Amiga 3000 RAM prices... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > Here's the prices (approx.): > > 2Tжould appear on other sources soon. ________________________ Bob Fillmore, Systems Software & Communications BITNET: FILLMORE@EMRCAN Computer Services Centre, BIX: bfillmore Energy, Mines, & Resources Canada Voice: (613) 992-2832 588 Booth St., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 0E4 FAX: (613) 996-2953 *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.˂am called Post (version 1.0 I think) which interprets Postscript files and either displays or prints them on any Preferences- supported printer. It supports almost the complete Postscript standard, including color. I'm not sure if its PD or shareware. It comes without font files, so you will have to collect fonts yourself. The author is still working on it and is active on BIX talking about his progress. The program is available on BIX and, judging from the amount of interest, sheived: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6794; Sun, 13 May 90 02:03:42 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4500; Sun, 13 May 90 02:04:32 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 17:15:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Bob Fillmore Subject: Re: printing Postscript on EPSON printer To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas There is a progr{m on the VAX before using ZMODEM (details on request). Good luck! ________________________ Bob Fillmore, Systems Software & Communications BITNET: FILLMORE@EMRCAN Computer Services Centre, BIX: bfillmore Energy, Mines, & Resources Canada Voice: (613) 992-2832 588 Booth St., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 0E4 FAX: (613) 996-2953 *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ RecqW Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Most of the FTP sites which have Fish disk files have stored them as binary ZOO files, assuming that people will do binary mode FTP to retrieve them. They are, therefore, not encoded. You will have to take some care, however, to ensure that you transfer them in binary mode to your Amiga. I do this all the time from Bitnet by using the BITFTP gateway and then ZMODEMing them to my Amiga from a VAX. I do have to fiddle with the1@*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6792; Sun, 13 May 90 02:03:18 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4480; Sun, 13 May 90 02:04:10 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 16:44:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Bob Fillmore Subject: Re: UUencode/decode To: C]BRG@WUMS2.WUSTL.EDU Subject: Re: 2.0, a500, a1000, etc. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas A Public note of appreciation for Dan's cogent, reasonable and highly accurate note. Charlie Fineberg BITNET: FINEBERG@WUMS Wash. U. School of Medicine internet: fineberg@wums2.wustl.edu t requires an Ethernet conncection. (Of course trying to run W Windows over anything else (an Amiga can talk to) would be almost impossibleBPZ. For now, Mark Gooderum MARKV@UKANVAX markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu *:MSGHDR_24 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5773; Mon, 07 May 90 21:59:40 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8151; Mon, 07 May 90 22:00:22 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90 13:30:12 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: FINEBEA,vET> DECWindows is a GUI (grahpical user interface) standard layered on top of X Windows. In this vein, any X Terminal can talk to a host with DECWindows because once the stuff goes out over the net, its down to the X Windows level. There is a version of X Windows for the Amiga by a company named GfxBase, I don't know anything more except that it requires an Ethernet conncection. (Of course trying to run W Windows over anything else (an Amiga can talk to) would be almost impossible@5Y~===================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5771; Mon, 07 May 90 21:59:17 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8129; Mon, 07 May 90 21:59:45 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90 11:00:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Re: DECWindows To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Sender: Info-Amiga List From: nop Subject: Renewal of your subscription to list I-AMIGA To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: "1.6d Revised List Processor"'s message of Mon, 7 May 90 06:00:07 CDT <9005071342.AA08379@nic.gac.edu> CONFIRM I-AMIGA *:MSGHDR_23 ===========================================================>nce: CONFIRM I-AMIGA You will be automatically removed from the list if you do not send a CONFIRM command within the next 7 days. Virtually, The LISTSERV management *:MSGHDR_22 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5723; Mon, 07 May 90 20:19:26 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6984; Mon, 07 May 90 20:19:06 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90=~wfo-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "1.6d Revised List Processor" Subject: Renewal of your subscription to list I-AMIGA To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Dear subscriber, Your subscription to list I-AMIGA is due for renewal. If you wish to remain subscribed to I-AMIGA, please issue the following command to LISTSERV@UTARLVM1 at your earliest convenie<Ⱥ@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx pl158305@tecmtyvm.bitnet disclaimer: These are my opinions, it you don't like'em, just kill'em. *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5701; Mon, 07 May 90 17:42:47 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6053; Mon, 07 May 90 17:43:23 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90 06:00:07 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: In;瘗e mail it to me? > Thanks in advance... or, better yet, inform the list where we can get them if they're ftp-able.. /======================================================\ | Gustavo Cordova | | al158305 @ mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx | | al158305 @ 131.178.1.5 | | bl158305 @ tecmtyvm.bitnet | \======================================================/ -- Gustavo Cordova al158305: Re: I would like a newer A68k and ZC... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: mgemmel@cs.vu.nl's message of 1 May 90 15:45:57 GMT In article <6416@star.cs.vu.nl> mgemmel@cs.vu.nl (Martin Gemmel) writes: > Is there a newer version of the Amiga port of ZC, the Sozobon > C compiler, than version 1.01, Dec-88? If so, could someone > please mail it to me? > And, is there a newer version of A68k, than V2.42, Jan-89? If so, > could someone pleas9P========================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5538; Sun, 06 May 90 19:44:16 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7842; Sun, 06 May 90 19:44:49 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 02:39:27 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Gustavo Cordova Subject: 8s@RUTVM1 From: DA3721A@DRAKE Subject: DECWindows To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Does anyone know of an implementation of DECWindows for the Amiga? Please tell me if there is one available somewhere. Thanks, David Aschbrenner DA3721A@DRAKE Drake University Des Moines, IA *:MSGHDR_20 ======================================7cn you got May before April). *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5512; Sun, 06 May 90 12:25:21 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6573; Sun, 06 May 90 12:26:10 O Date: Sun, 6 May 90 00:29:00 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA6JList Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Ed Champ Subject: Re: Amiga World To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 5 May 90 12:22:59 ADT from I have subscribed to Amiga World for 2 years and have never had a problem with them. Maybe you should look into why it gets delayed sometimes. Perhaps the USPS is at fault (especially whe5Nissue! Troy. P.S. These are my opinions and do not necesarily reflect those of the rest of the world. *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5482; Sat, 05 May 90 23:20:02 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3715; Sat, 05 May 90 23:20:39 O Date: Sat, 5 May 90 11:47:40 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga 4bOREHOUS@UNB.CA>" Subject: Re: Amiga World To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I too have had problems with the magazine. I always seem to get my copy of Amiga World one or two weeks after it hits the newsstands. With other magazines that I have subscribed to, I have always recieved my copy two weeks before the news stands get it. Something does not seem right here. Once I recieved the May issue of Amiga World before I got the April 3b13============================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5456; Sat, 05 May 90 17:27:01 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2283; Sat, 05 May 90 17:27:46 O Date: Sat, 5 May 90 12:22:59 ADT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: <05MAY90.13381673.0033.MUSIC@UNB.CA> Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Troy Morehouse Subject: Re: AmigaWorld To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 3 May 90 14:25:44 EDT from Dear Tom; I think the answer is only one: you are a GGGGG EEEEE EEEEE K K ! G E E K K ! G GG EEE EEE KKK ! G G E E K K ! GGGGG EEEEE EEEEE K K ! Sincerely yours, Pietro Vago. *:MSGHDR_17 ==================================================1bn&6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5450; Sat, 05 May 90 16:37:44 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1525; Sat, 05 May 90 16:38:12 O Date: Sat, 5 May 90 02:34:29 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Pietro Vago mgemmel@cs.vu.nl (Martin Gemmel) writes: > Is there a newer version of the Amiga port of ZC, the Sozobon > C compiler, than version 1.01, Dec-88? If so, could someone > please mail it to me? > And, is there a newer version of A68k, than V2.42, Jan-89? If so, > could someone please mail it to me? > Thanks in advance... or, better yet, inform the list where we can get them if they're ftp-able.. /========.kpy 90 09:11:02 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9205; Sat, 05 May 90 09:11:35 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 02:39:27 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Gustavo Cordova Subject: Re: I would like a newer A68k and ZC... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: mgemme-p^tasight Lyngaas Is there a newer version of the Amiga port of ZC, the Sozobon C compiler, than version 1.01, Dec-88? If so, could someone please mail it to me? And, is there a newer version of A68k, than V2.42, Jan-89? If so, could someone please mail it to me? Thanks in advance... *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5352; Sat, 05 Ma,qed: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5347; Sat, 05 May 90 09:10:01 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9178; Sat, 05 May 90 09:10:32 O Date: Tue, 1 May 90 11:45:57 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Martin Gemmel Subject: I would like a newer A68k and ZC... To: Espen Out+:ect: A-MAX VERSION 2 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello from Singapore, Has any one know if the A-Max Mac emulator version 2 is available yet? and whether this new version 2 supports the hard disk. Thanks, Suthipuntha. School of Architecture, National University of Singapore AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Receiv*3========================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5345; Sat, 05 May 90 09:06:37 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9150; Sat, 05 May 90 09:07:26 O Date: Sat, 5 May 90 13:35:13 SST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "S. Sujarittanonta" Subj)i upfront in cash or certified check, only one purchase per year, and lots of other assorted legalese. And now for the rumors: I heard a few days ago from the local dealer that the A3000 will be available on the discount plan at the same savings. A hypothesized system of an A3000/16 and a multisync monitor should be right around $2000. Definitely not bad. BCNU, / \ ( ) /_\ Acer David Blezard // d_blezard@unhh.bitnet \X/ *:MSGHDR_13 ======================((Hn the Commodore Student Dicounts: 1. All certified schools, teachers at such schools, and ONLY post-secondary students qualify. 2. The necessary forms and current price list are available only through your local dealers. Contact C= if you need to find one. 3. The discounts are from 45% to 50% on packaged systems. Separate components are at 40% off and must be purchased with a CPU (unless the component deal has been extended again.) 4. Payment is'th BSMTP id 5343; Sat, 05 May 90 09:06:06 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9133; Sat, 05 May 90 09:06:49 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 17:44:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: D_BLEZARD@UNHH Subject: RE: A3000 Student Discount To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Here's the basics once again o&Iٱ________________ University of Kansas /// /| __ _ Bix: markgood \\\ /// /__| |\/| | | _ /_\ makes it Bitnet: MARKV@UKANVAX \/\/ / | | | | |__| / \ possible... Internet: markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) wi%. (Although with 1.3 its easy with a little program called AutoDiskChange). > ps. check out the mars bbs. it is at 130.18.64.3 > we have a steadily growing amount of software on board. > mars is also open to anonm[Dymous ftp, by the way. Does mars have a Domain name yet? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Gooderum Only... \ Good Cheer !!! Academic Computing Services /// \___________$Taders). Workbench is even worse since it has to indvidually access each .info file too. BAD (a program I dont have, but want to get) is a commercial optimizer that fixes this by clustering directory blocks on the root track and (optionally) clustering the .info files togather for each directory. Also, with OFS, you have the overhead of stripping out the DOS header information from each data block (34 bytes). FFS on floppies is a bit better and with 2.0 will be officailly supported#L~hing is, I don't think they are that bad, except for directory listings > and such. > > any ideas? Actually the Answer is pretty simple. The Amiga file system scatters header blocks for both files and directories accross the disk according to a hash function. This makes accessing a particular file very fast (you just has to that block, and put put with just one or two collisions), but makes directories very slow (since you have to jump all over the disk to read in the directory he"PR1:42:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Re: amiga floppies To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > why are amiga drives so slow. I have had an amiga ever since the 1000 > came out, and I thought there would be an improvement eventually. > the t!faccount, and I was wondering if someone could send me a list of internet news groups. especially the amiga ones. jra1@RA.msstate.edu or, if you want to irritate me alee@msstate.bitnet thanks *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5306; Sat, 05 May 90 04:33:14 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8040; Sat, 05 May 90 04:33:32 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 1 ג810; Sat, 05 May 90 04:22:34 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 14:05:50 -0500 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Jeffrey R. Allegrezza" Subject: internet newsgroups X-To: i-amiga%rutvm1@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Ahhh. I have finally gotten an internet oTNET one, from here (JANET) anyway. LISTSERV@DHDURZ1 there, simple, eh? either send a tell LISTSERV@DHDURZ1 sub csamiga Your_Name or send a sub csamiga Your_Name to the subscription address (This is how VMS users would do it) Have fun, Andy *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5300; Sat, 05 May 90 04:21:51 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7C$0l the garbage to find the genuine problems. It's a great list, very 'educational' reading for programmers, subscribe and read at will, just don't post to it unless it's absolutely essential. By the way, I know that a lot of you will have the sense to keep postings to CSAT technical, but this is just an attempt to keep the standard up, if I'm going to post the subscription address, I don't want to be held responsible for more garbage appearing there. Ok, here's the address, it's a BI4SAC@KIRK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject: Comp.sys.amiga.tech address To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Before I type the address, let me just warn you that you can read this list, but please, please, please, kepp any enquiries to the list very technical. there have been flames recently regarding the general downfall in the quality of postings there. It is STRICTLY a technical list, if it keeps getting worse then CBM people won't have time to wade thru al:tend me an Index from Fish PD over 340 ? thanx in advance Karsten *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5232; Sat, 05 May 90 00:35:32 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5372; Sat, 05 May 90 00:36:07 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 14:13:08 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: WILLETT](00:35:44 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 14:42:25 MEZ Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Karsten Klemm +49 0511 532-4269 Subject: Fish List Avaiable ? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi all Two questions: first, is there Fred Fish PD between 321 and 340 available per FTP over FINTUVM ? and second... are new Fish Disks ( over 340 ) available and can anybody s?k FUNIC: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project Network Information/Software Archival Service OH1MQK - Radio Amateurs do it in Super High Frequency (10GHz) *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5230; Sat, 05 May 90 00:34:58 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5352; Sat, 05 May 90 dwhich all may have different outbound names. You know, my IBM account is either FYS-MA@FINTUVM (+ .BITNET) or FYS-MA@MAMMUTTI.UTU.FI / FYS-MA@FINTUVM.UTU.FI When I use TELL (Jnet: SEND) to inform LISTSERVs, address is plain FINTUVM. When I send mail, it can be any of those three - my choise - default being FYS-MA@MAMMUTTI.UTU.FI. /Matti Aarnio Span/Hepnet: 21905::kontu::mea Jonny had made his subscription, his system had given its address as (Internet style) KIRK.ASTON.AC.UK. Now it gave KIRK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK. They are NOT the same. (For LISTSERV anyway.) I did help him out anyway. Everybody: If your system now gives different address for your mails than what is your current subscription address (It may be visible on your mail headers in 'To:' field), you are in trouble -- unless you have 'multi-faced' system (BITNET + Internet + Decnet + ...) qrton.ac.UK To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: <9005040915.AA05953@mea.utu.fi>; from "WEEKSJH@KIRK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK" at May 3, 90 9:05 pm Jonny Weeks had a problem: > Please sign me off the list. > > I know I should be telling the list server and not the list, but I've tried > every possible sign-off message, and it keeps on telling me I haven't > subscribed, despite sending me loads of mail. This is quite simple thing. When 3============================================================================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5078; Fri, 04 May 90 11:35:32 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8071; Fri, 04 May 90 11:31:53 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 11:35:46 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: Problems on unsub... X-cc: weeksjh@kirk.vax.asɩ{======== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5072; Fri, 04 May 90 09:30:03 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6816; Fri, 04 May 90 09:30:44 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 12:48:00 U Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: CSHUYEB@NTIVAX Subject: Amiga To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Just like to know more about Amiga 300... *:MSGHDR_7 ===;&e (Cutting Edge 800K) Future Sound Digitizer Gravis Joystick 1084Sd RGB Monitor Lots and Lots of software..... all cables, and any necessary extras. I would like any offers that are reasonable.... Send to: MARTIN%TIGGER.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET or if you can't send there put it on the net...... NOTE: THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM IS LESS THAN 6 MONTHS OLD!!! The HD is only 2 months old....... Jim Martin *:MSGHDR_6 ======================================================================== yga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: MARTIN%TIGGER.DECNET@MSUS1 Subject: Amiga System for sale..... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I am looking to sell my amiga 2000 system, it includes: Amiga 2000 w/ Super Agnes and 1MB 2 3.5" floppy drives 1 Segate 296N 80MB HD w/ Trumpcard controller (works w/Amax) Amax w/128K ROMs and Mac Driv+ | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5070; Fri, 04 May 90 09:24:02 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6692; Fri, 04 May 90 09:24:36 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 01:16:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-AmiMJa filesystem was designed to be extremely efficient on a hard drive, but it is very lousy for certain floppy operations. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett - Systems Administrator, Computer Science Department | | The Johns Hopkins University, 34th and Charles Sts., Baltimore, MD 21218 | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | ΂V found very quickly. However, the file system is extremely slow at moving through a directory. That's why commands like: 1> dir are so slow. The advantage of the Amiga file system is that it will be able to find named files fast, no matter how many files you have on your disk. A system like the IBM PC's (MS-DOS) does quick directory listings, but the speed to access a particular file slows down a lot as the disk fills up. No matter what you do, you get a tradeoff. The Amigw I have had an amiga ever since the 1000 >came out, and I thought there would be an improvement eventually. >the thing is, I don't think they are that bad, except for directory listings >and such. Actually, the Amiga drives themselves (mechanical) are not slow. Rather, the filesystem is optimized for certain things and not for others. The Amiga file system is EXTREMELY fast at finding a particular named file. If you have a huge directory and say: 1> type foo the file "foo" is@+ender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was barrett@CRABCAKE.CS.JHU.EDU Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dan Barrett Subject: amiga floppies X-To: i-amiga@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas "Amanda C. Lee" writes >why are amiga drives so slow.   to Comp.sys.amiga and Comp.sys.amiga.tech. If anyone can tell me how to do this, I would be grateful. Thanks in advance ... Dan *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5029; Fri, 04 May 90 04:51:17 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4067; Fri, 04 May 90 04:51:56 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 16:26:56 -0400 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List S %51 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4031; Fri, 04 May 90 04:46:36 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 16:32:48 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dan Shipley Subject: Comp.sys.amiga X-To: sub@UMRVMA, Comp.sys.amiga@UMRVMA To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I would like to subscribe nOff PLEASE To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Please sign me off the list. I know I should be telling the list server and not the list, but I've tried every possible sign-off message, and it keeps on telling me I haven't subscribed, despite sending me loads of mail. *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 5024; Fri, 04 May 90 04:45: uF?************************* *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4974; Fri, 04 May 90 01:58:33 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2852; Fri, 04 May 90 01:59:13 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 21:05:54 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: WEEKSJH@KIRK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject: Sign e newstand and the time a subscriber receives the magazine, better customer service and a complimentary subscrip- tion. Sincerely, Tom Hayko end of quote ********************************************************** * Tom Hayko * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore /// * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * *********************************2iwand was connected to another, (thankful- ly) more polite customer service representive who canceled my subscription and told me that I would be receiving a full refund of my subscription price. Copies of this letter and your reply will be posted to USENET. I would like a written apology for the rude behavior of your customer service representives, including an answer to my origi- nal question as to the difference in time between the magazine appearing on thש o receive magazines that I had already paid for. She again asked me why I wanted to cancel my subscription. I stated again that I was tired of waiting to receive magazines that I had already paid for. She iagain asked me why I wanted to cancel my subscrip- tion. I then stated that I was tired of hearing the excuses from your company and that I would like to please cancel my subscrip- tion. Your customer service representive then hung up on me. I immediately called back g@agazine was being delivered to had been changed four times. I moved once. The reason for the four address changes is each successive time I contacted your customer service department, I was told that the address had not yet been changed. Finally, I stated that I would like to cancel my subscription. The customer service representive (I didn't get her name), questioned why I was canceling my subscrip- tion. I stated that I was tired of waiting six to eight weeks t?gmately one month after my subscription card had been mailed, I was told that my subscription would begin with the January issue. Second, I was told that payment for my subscrip- tion had not been made until April. A payment was made, by Visa, as soon as a statement of the account was received from your com- pany. If a statement was not received until April, the fault lies with your company, not with myself. I addition to this, I was told that the address that the mڮL After going through my old phone bills to determine the customer service phone number (I had the misfortune to have to deal with them four times previously), I called you customer service department. After inquiring why it was taking 6 to 8 weeks from the date that AmigaWorld appeared on the newstands until I received a particu- lar issue, I was told that my subscription had not begun until February. Previously, when I called your customer service depart- ment approxi4vollect call to your customer service department. I was informed that you do not accept collect calls and that I would have to dial direct to your customer service department, at my own expense, and was not even given the phone number. Surely, a magazine that is attempting to represent an international machine such as the Amiga should accept collect calls from it's subscribers to the customer service department, or at the very least, give out the phone number! ܧyko Subject: AmigaWorld To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I thought I should post this, since I said I would, so here goes. begin quote IDG Communications/Peterborough, Inc. 80 Elm St. Peterborough, NH 03458 Dear Publisher, I am writing after a particularly annoying incident with your customer service department. First, being a caller from outside your 800 number zone, I attempted to place a cݜ>t *:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4969; Fri, 04 May 90 01:50:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2761; Fri, 04 May 90 01:49:51 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 14:25:44 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J HaQ>r ---------------------------------------- Disk Back Service: If you want to receive The Euro Charts first-hand, mail a disk and your votes to: Crusaders Euro Chart StavikBakken 3 1472 Fjellhamar NORWAY (DON'T forget to include your address!!!) ========================================= 0881 уw Node #2: +47-6-810864 24hrs. 300-2400, two lines, 2500+ online files ** Amiga ONLY ** ---------------------------------------------------------------- *:MSGHDR_4 By the way: It's time to vote for them heavy charts again dudes! So fill in those voting-form and mail them today. Remember: Your vote counts! The Official Crusaders Euro Chart Top 10 !'ct-gadget of that message, and close the window when you're done. Since SuperMenu copies all messages to memory, we had to split the whole message-file into 12 parts. Choose which part of the message-file you want to read by pressing F1-F12 from the Main Menu. That's all there is to it. *:MSGHDR_3 ---------------------------------------------------------------- For the Purest Amiga PD pleasure, call The Crusaders BBS at: Node #1: +47-6-810881 Vaccess a network, check with your System Operator if it's possible to reach any LISTSERVer that handles I-Amiga. Dr. Outtasight, Sysop Crusaders BBS Can be reached at: edb88002@nobivm.bitnet *:MSGHDR_2 How to use SuperMenu ===================== First I want to thank Paul T. Miller for this brilliant program. It was really hard to find something that could handle 291 1-5Kb textfiles this fast :-) Great! Keep it up! ================== Ok. To read a message, just click the subjeUhAI at all. Many of the messages contain vital information from CBM about new releases, both software and hardware. Where can I get hold of more of this ? ======================================= Well, you can't. Unless you either work at a company or go to a school that has some kind of network facility that can hook up to a network called BITNET or EARN. Most people can't access a network like this, so that's why we compile these disks so that more people can enjouy it. If you can 㩌o everyone who subscribes to the LISTSERVER. What's the messages about ? ============================ The messages contain questions and answers covering the complete Amiga scene. But the best thing is that most of the message writers are Amiga Hackers with years of experience, and you'll get information and hints on all kinds of new and exciting products. Th information travels VERY fast through these networks so you'll probably have an answer to your specific question in no time&*:MSGHDR_1 What is I-Amiga ???? ===================== I-Amiga is a part of a message/file-server system located in different countries. Most of these messages are received from something called a LISTSERVER located in Finland, called FINTUVM. A listserver handles mail from all over the world, and posts the messages under different kinds of topics. I-Amiga is such a topic. After the message has been received from the person who sent it, the message is sent from the LISTSERVER out trkMn Friday! > Yeah, American's have things different.... I'm not done until the 28th.....but, I sure hope that I'll be done forever.... >John Cunningham >Charlottetown, PEI. Canada. Lawrence Chen "I'm crazy, I don't work for anybody, and I'm having fun!" BITNET: Chen%MV2.UCalgary.CA@UNCAEDU.bitnet - The Dreamer INTERNET: Chen@MV2.UCalgary.CA BBS: Lunatic Haven [CA 403 239 1225] 3d can be had for $600 out of many dealers like USA FLEX, the "Diamond Scab" req<|Lmost) free X-To: amiga-l%ualtavm.bitnet%janus.mtroyal.ab.ca%mv2.UCalgary.CA @"%Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA@uncanet" To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >>>> >>>>You must have a strange academic calendar at your institution. Every >>>>college I ever went to didn't get out until MAY and it is only mid-April. > >Interesting. The American calendar year must be longer than our (Canadian) one; >or is this a Maritime-institution thing? I'm DONE op"k============================================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2628; Sat, 21 Apr 90 02:37:15 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9731; Sat, 21 Apr 90 02:37:08 O Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 12:21:45 MDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: chen@MV2.UNCA.ADHOCNET.CA Subject: RE: We're (aloally isn't a good value. (I found the colors bled, the monitor had poor convergence, and the larger dot pitch led to bury text in 800x600 -Overall a very very poor excuse for a monitor) ___ ____ //// /\ |\ /| | | /\ TM ___ //// / \ | \/ | | | __ / \ \\\X/// /----\ | | | | | /----\ -Later \XXX/ / \ | | | |____| / \ -TOM *:MSGHDR_24 ===================================n閌x he 1024x768 mode. If it can, with a dot pitch that large, it is sure to be unreadable. Two of my friends bought Mitsubishi Diamond Scans before I got my Nec 3D and now they wish they hadn't bought the Diamond Scan. They both performed equally inferior to the Nec 3D. If the price were not so close, then the Diamond Scan may have been a marginal compromise. But since the NEC 3d can be had for $600 out of many dealers like USA FLEX, the "Diamond Scab" remj]; is centered. The position can then be memorized for instant recall. This is nice if you want to switch the monitor back in forth between your Amiga and your PC. Without digital sizing it is hard and sonetimes impossible to get the amiga image the right size and centered. (The Amiga screen comes up shifted with an 8"x6" viewing area on a multiscaning monitor)(before adjusting) I really question if the Mitsubishi can even scan high enough to receive tlT Scan... You can get an Nec Multisync 3D for only $100 more than the Mitsubishi. The Nec will support 1024x768 right out of the box while the Diamond Scan looks a little blury even at 800x600 due to its rather large dot pitch (.31mm) and its extreamly poor screen convergence. BTW the Nec has a dot pitch of .28mm. Also the Nec 3d has digital sizing with memories so that you can blow up the screen size then shift it horizontally and vertically until itk|tdd: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9717; Sat, 21 Apr 90 02:36:51 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 14:05:10 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom Nezwek Subject: Re: MultiSync Monitors (don't buy a Diamond Scan) To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Don't waste your money on a Mitsubishi Diamondjo * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore /// * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_23 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2626; Sat, 21 Apr 90 02:36:37 CET Receivei(|GA@FINHUTC> Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: RE: We're (almost) free To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Well, I'm writing my *LAST* exam on Saturday up here in Thunder Bay, so I guess we Canadians just don't need to learn as much as the guys south of the border :-) (Just joking guys) ********************************************************** * Tom Haykho*TNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_22 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2624; Sat, 21 Apr 90 02:35:56 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9701; Sat, 21 Apr 90 02:36:35 O Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 21:55:39 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: Removing SendIO() messages To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas d]ia modem, i use supra modem 2400 and NCOMM ( which i really like and hope these guys keep up the good work), i also downloaded the tagbbs but is there any other bbs system i can download ? I would also appreciate if someone could tell me if there is a system , like a bbs, but can have two users talking at the same time. THANKX IN ADVANX MARVIN *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer Rc 35 Wed, 18 Apr 90 01:19:48 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: EM435302@VMTECMEX Subject: IBM 3270 Emulator To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi guys, does anybody know where I ca get a IBM 9370 VM/Sp emulator or something like it. . . . i really would appreciate it. I need it to connect to my account vb}"thor: Eddy Carroll ====================================================================== -Fred -- # Fred Fish, 1835 E. Belmont Drive, Tempe, AZ 85284, USA # 1-602-491-0048 asuvax!nud,mcdphx!estinc!fnf *:MSGHDR_20 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2591; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:40:23 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8491; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:40:53 O Date: aX`_ Bradley W. Schenck TrackUtils Two utilities that deal with disk tracks. TCopy copies one or more tracks from one disk to another, and is useful for copying part of a floppy disk into RAD: during bootup. TFile creates a dummy file which "marks" a specified range of tracks, preventing AmigaDOS from using them and allowing them to be used for raw trackdisk data. Includes C source. Au`@GYhery This shareware program loads in IFF images and creates charted patterns from them for use in counted cross-stitch and other forms of needlework. It requires one megabyte of memory to run, and works best with a good high-resolution printer for printing the patterns. The Stitchery was written with The Director and the Projector is included. Version 1.21. Author: _or: Teijo Kinnunen CONTENTS OF DISK 350 -------------------- Icons A large variety of icons for many uses, of practically every description. Most are animated. Author: Bradley W. Schenck MemMometer A program that opens a narrow window and graphically displays your memory usage like a gauge. Based on WFrags, by Tomas Rokicki. Version 2.10, includes source. Author: Howard Hull Stitc^=features include cut/paste/copy tracks or blocks, changing the vibrato, tempo, crescendo, and note volume. Other features include switching of the low-pass-filter on or off on a per song basis, and a cute little animated pointer of a guy doing "jumping jacks" in time to the music! This is version 2.00, an update to version 1.12 on disk 255. Now includes full source. Auth]nxramming examples. Also includes a program to convert 8SVX to SAMP. Author: Dissidents Software CONTENTS OF DISK 349 -------------------- This is disk 349 of the freely distributable AMIGA software library. Below is a listing of the significant directories and their contents. MED A music editor much like SoundTracker. A song consists of up to 50 blocks of music, which can be played in any order. Editing \C Can be used to create a handy installation program (hard disks especially) for programs that need disk-based libraries. Includes source. Author: Dissidents Software SAMP An IFF sampled sound format designed for professional music use. It can be used for 16-bit samples, multiple waveforms, etc. Includes a SAMP reader/writer shared library, interface routines, and prog[w&MLib Contains updated files for the dissidents ilbm.library on disk 237, with new lib features and a new library. Also included is a much improved (better organized) doc file, and new C examples that show how to use the library for any kind of IFF file. See disk 237 for other examples. Author: Dissidents Software InstallLibs A program to copy files to the LIBS: dir of a boot disk. Z͓o1 membership, etc. Included is a data file of the library catalog, disks 1 to 310. Version "Wanda", binary only. Author: Dissidents Software FileIO Contains updated files for version 1.6 of the dissidents requester library. There is a bug fix to the library as well as a new function. See disk 257 for the complete documentation, and examples. Author: Dissidents Software ILBYI? program, with source, that demonstrates its use. Author: Dissidents Software DisEditor This is a demo of the dissidents shareware text editor. Version 1.1, binary only. Author: Dissidents Software DisSecretary This program can be used to file information in a "file cabinet" type environment. It is well suited for jobs such as maintaining a disk catalog, or user group X,n# You must move along the pipes of each floor and rust them to advance to the next level. Every 3 floors completed will entitle you to a bonus round where extra drips can be won. An extra drip will also be awarded for every 10,000 points. Binary only. Author: Art Skiles CONTENTS OF DISK 348 -------------------- ColorReq Describes the update to the color.library and has an example Wϝ+= to any depth. Includes source in C. Author: Oliver Wagner CONTENTS OF DISK 347 -------------------- Cursor A 3-pass BASIC Compiler for BASIC programs written in AmigaBASIC, does not yet support all of the BASIC commands but is able to compile itself. This is version 1.0, includes source. Author: Jurgen Forster Drip Drip is an arcade style game with 15 floors (levels). V5?or option, optimized keyboard layout, new drawing modes, right mouse button support (like DeluxePaint) and much more. Binary only, shareware. Author: Oliver Wagner Timetest Working example to show the time() and gmtime() functions of the Lattice C support library. Includes source in C. Author: Oliver Wagner WBD Possibly the smallest utility to set the workbench screen UG5 to be run on NTSC machines. Will patch the Intuition OpenScreen() function to assure screens with PAL height to be opened in interlace mode. Includes source in assembler. Author: Oliver Wagner TextPaint Second major release of the Ansi editor. All major bugs have been fixed, and a bunch of new options have been added, e.g. possibility to reload ansi files or CLI modules, 4 colTndCLI" command pair. This release fixes a severe bug in the first version which used to guru if run out of a script. Includes source in C. Author: Oliver Wagner PacketSupport A link library, for use with Lattice C, providing a few functions to handle DOS packet postage. Includes source. Author: Oliver Wagner PatchNTSC OS fix to allow the growing number of PAL display programs S,UssEti Cassette tape label printer. Includes source in GFA Basic. Author: Thorsten Ludwig FME Patch to AllocMem() to allow badly designed programs which request fast mem without necessity to be run on 512k machines. Includes source in assembler. Author: Holger Lubitz GoWB Very small (296 bytes) and effective replacement for the well known "LoadWB" and "ERelmont Drive Tempe, Arizona 85284 USA Thanks to all who submitted new and interesting material. If you submitted something in the past and it has not yet appeared in the library, please feel free to resubmit it, particularly if it was several months ago. I sometimes hesitate to include material submitted more than about six months ago because of some vague feeling that as soon as I include version 1.01 submitted many months ago, I'll see version 5.23 posted on use= and should be complete before this weekend. Note that you can get a copy of the catalog (2 disks) of the complete library contents by sending either two new blank disks with no labels (you'll get back different disks because yours will just go into the "bulk blank disk pool") and $1 for postage and a mailer or $3 for disks, postage, and mailer (the prefered method) to: Fred Fish Catalog Disk Requests 1835 East B<n Subject: Latest set of Fish disks announced (341-350) X-To: amiga-l%ualtavm%Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA@uncanet To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas From: fnf@estinc.UUCP (Fred Fish) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Disks 341-350 now available Date: 17 Apr 90 06:57:03 GMT Organization: Enhanced Software Technologies Inc., Tempe, Az Lines: 370 Disks 341-350 are now available. Shipping to those who have preordered disks begins Wednesday (4/18/90);==================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2589; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:39:26 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8461; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:37:54 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 11:55:08 MDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Russell M. Forster" :3W: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: DUDE OF TIME Subject: RE: kickstart roms To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas The Kickstart ROM is in a socket and is quite easy to install. You can probably pick up V1.3 for about 30 bucks. Dapper Dan Indiana State University *:MSGHDR_19 ============================9yƾg.... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas the other Amiga lists like Comp.Sys.Amiga and others.... Jim Martin MARTIN%TIGGER.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2585; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:31:48 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8376; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:31:28 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 08:40:00 EST Reply-To8 eTP id 2581; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:28:14 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8273; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:28:22 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 11:01:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "We control the horizontal...We control the vertical....The MONOLITH BBS...." Subject: What are the addresses for7 637 AST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: E_CORDERO@UPR1.UPR.CUN.EDU Subject: Re: kickstart roms To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Yes, The ROMS are socketed. *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSM6!7person has been travelling this week, I can't check him.) > Espen Outtasight Lyngaas edb88002\nobivm.bitnet > Computer Center /Matti Aarnio OH1MQK *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2579; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:27:43 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8237; Sat, 21 Apr 90 00:27:35 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 07:02:005"ԉ just plug it in, cut the clock pin and connect that to an > external clock running at 14MHz ???? The timings of E-clock would be changed. I believe it will change at least time constants in PIOs - if nothing else breaks. > I have a some drawings to a 14MHz upgrade kit that does just this. I haven't > tried it yet, but are you really sure that it won't work ? If that schematics doesn't include way to preserve E-clock access, no - it won't. (My favourite Motorola FAE contact 4#|X20 Apr 90 18:27:03 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 16:02:58 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: Processor upgrades. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: <9004201310.AA18433@mea.utu.fi>; from "Espen Lyngaas" at Apr 20, 90 10:23 am > So you're saying that it's NOT possible to take the 14Mhz (15MHz) version > of MC68000 and3$7.2Try adding them in any critical section. Doesn't the GVP 68030 card has a SCSI port anyway? why bother with the c'T? The c'T interface is *cheap* ( it's ONLY advantage.. ), so using it with a very expensive 68030 board is a bit weired... Udi *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2518; Fri, 20 Apr 90 18:30:36 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5295; Fri, 2%ߘ!m you. > >I've already fixed the busy-wait loop in InitOmti, now it uses >the timer.device to perform the delay just as it should. > >Keep on hackin' > >-- Leonard I have successfully modified the driver to run with the A2620. I had to add NOP instructions in a few places in the program. Unfortunately, I don't have the modified source code, since the card wasn't mine, and I did the patch on someone else's machine. I DO remember that adding the NOP's was enough to solve the problem. 1&͹k've hacked the C't disk driver. I installed >a GVP 68030 card yesterday, but I can't get the driver to co-operate. >It's not very strange, I think. Looking at the source after having >read the Commodore programming guidelines for supporting different >680x0 processors reveals lots of problems. > > If you have fixed the driver, or have a description on the AT >disk controller registers (I need to know which registers reset/set >flags if read before written) I'd appreciate to hear fro0'E Ttrouble reaching this host as math.tau.ac.il Please use the old address: user@taurus.bitnet Comments: W: Field "Resent-From:/From:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. Comments: W: Field "FROM:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. From: FINKEL@TAURUS Subject: Re: C't harddisk.device driver for 68030? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >This is for those of you who/(FB:AB980@Cleveland.FreeNet.Edu // \\// Only Amiga Makes It Possible *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2472; Fri, 20 Apr 90 14:35:50 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2495; Fri, 20 Apr 90 14:34:15 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 15:23:25 +0300 Reply-To: finkel@math.tau.ac.il Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: If you have .)CR=Ns a dynamic machine. It can't be pushed out of the market by a simple upgrade in technology. Part of the reason why we've been waiting so long for the A3000 is the designers just keep improving it. With 1.4 we will bury the guru, while the mac still has system errors. Workbench is about to become asynchronous; no more ZZZ. Now, go out and show those Apple and IBM people an Amiga. Heck, run a few demos. How about NotBoingAgain. Tell them it was from a $300 program. -- Carwil James ID-*_Qtag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Carwil James Subject: Re: We might as well hang up our gloves fellas... X-To: i-amiga%rutvm1.BITNET@cunyvm.CUNY.Edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Come on guys! If we need to sell this machine on price alone we can do it. For example, look at fish disk, we can buy them for $2.50. Comparable disks for the MAC II run $7-10. Besides, We have over 1 million users. The Amiga i,+C#'2 /Matti Aarnio OH1MQK *:MSGHDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2468; Fri, 20 Apr 90 14:17:56 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2362; Fri, 20 Apr 90 14:18:26 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 07:02:26 -0400 Reply-To: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: +,rzmode. Bad selection if you ask me... No E-clock -> No troubles - Ain't ASYNC IO wonderfull ?) Large part of circuitry on any of those replacement CPU boards is for generating and syncing E/VMA/VPA. 68010 can be plugged in without hickup, but only for same clock. I have a nice german made board which allows me to have 68020+FPU, now that I would find its references... > --Chez-- (It always rains in Bristol, even if some people in Manchester think > it rains there more.......) *-qSidea is to plug a 68010 in my amiga (a little faster (not much) on some > instructions, and PIN COMPATIBLE !!!! (glorious motorola)), and try to get it > working at 14 Mhz. I have found adverts for this sort of thing, but wonder if > it is just a matter of cutting off the 7Mhz clock, and redirecting a 14Mhz > from another board... Is it that easy ???? No, it isn't. Most of trouble arise from E-clock, and VPA/VMA IO devices. (PIOs inside Amiga use '6800' compatible synchronous IO ).mqedged in 68010 and up, as it allows true processor state to be visible to program. On higer byte of status word there is priviledge state and some other system control info. User programs should not use them. -- And from 68010 there has been MOVE CC,, which isn't priviledge d. However, it isn't there in 68000... MOVE ,SR is always priviledged - it can change supervisor/user state. MOVE ,CC is always unpriviledged - users can smudge status as they please. > My (/"j? Some programs are sensitive to execution times - awfull, but true. Aside of those, AmigaOS can handle just any processor 68000-030 (and maybe 040). On most changed CPU cases it requires to have special 'wedge' program which handles MOVE SR, instruction, when someone is dumbheaded enough to use it. (There are quidelines of how to do it generically without breaking the house. It requires one system call to do it - within 1.2 and later kickstarts.) That instruction is privil'0Frading to anything better, so alternative s. > Is the Amiga compatible (generally including software) with 680x0 upgrades ?? > I know that some software, if running in protected mode, cannot do some of the > previously safe 68000 instructions, but i don't know what they are.. Something > about reading/writing to the status register ???? Does anyone use these > instructions anyway ???? > Most importantly does Kickstart or any of commodores software rely on these > instructions ????&1fly-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: Processor upgrades. X-cc: FerrariCM@QGB.BRISTOL.AC.UK To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: <9004200218.AA16615@mea.utu.fi>; from "CS1 Student" at Apr 19, 90 10:20 pm > Ok, so i have a A500, and little money. My problem is that my machine is too > slow for me, and i have no way of upg%2Bx wish you would take what amiga is like I am taking what you are. I dont want you to be best human being, just be your self. Kym *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2417; Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:52:37 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4485; Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:53:02 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 08:40:50 EET Rep$3 with lagging resolution and pallete. > >Maybe we should face the reality of the situation and just hang up our >gloves now... > >SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET does this mean we should close all the schools and all the companies and go to japan since they are better in education and better in building stuff? They both have there places, Its like you can not have a winner without a loser. I know you want Amiga to be best, but at what price? Please no flame I just wanted to point out that I#4Jeed, we might as well resign ourselves to being the proud >owners of just another game machine. Amiga's greatest achilles heel >right now is its graphics. Once one of the Amiga's greatest selling >points, it's now it's limitation. Commodore *must* adopt a modular >strategy to their graphics hardware. Sure, we have transputer boards >and flickerfixers out there, and perhaps some others I haven't heard >of, but unless CBM re-engineers the graphics software, we're going to >be stuck"5Yal Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: MESSICK@UCBEH Subject: Re: We might as well hang up our gloves fellas... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >I just browsed an article about the new Mac IIfx and it looks *HOT*. >I'm afraid the Amiga is going to go down the drain unless CBM comes >out with their new ECS, 1.4, AMIX, and more *fast*. Regardless of how >cheap an Amiga is compared to a Mac, if the Mac is far enough ahead in >design and sp!6&&ple in Manchester think it rains there more.......) *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2392; Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:03:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8887; Thu, 19 Apr 90 23:38:34 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 13:13:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- origin 7ound adverts for this sort of thing, but wonder if it is just a matter of cutting off the 7Mhz clock, and redirecting a 14Mhz from another board... Is it that easy ???? Anyway, please reply to this (to the board and me if possible, cause the link is a little slow at times to I-Amiga) if you have done this sort of thing, cause otherwise my Amiga is going to stay slow for a bit longer, and i feel it is cruelty to a good machine... --Chez-- (It always rains in Bristol, even if some peo8O #otected mode, cannot do some of the previously safe 68000 instructions, but i don't know what they are.. Something about reading/writing to the status register ???? Does anyone use these instructions anyway ???? Most importantly does Kickstart or any of commodores software rely on these instructions ????? My idea is to plug a 68010 in my amiga (a little faster (not much) on some instructions, and PIN COMPATIBLE !!!! (glorious motorola)), and try to get it working at 14 Mhz. I have f9e}UTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List From: CS1 Student Subject: Processor upgrades. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Ok, so i have a A500, and little money. My problem is that my machine is too slow for me, and i have no way of upgrading to anything better, so alternatives. Is the Amiga compatible (generally including software) with 680x0 upgrades ?? I know that some software, if running in pr:SL will be released. Brian Wright s36666wb@etsuacad.etsu.edu *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2390; Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:02:45 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8860; Thu, 19 Apr 90 23:37:43 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 22:20:02 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Brian Subject: Re: We might as well hang up our gloves fellas... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 19 Apr 90 12:08:00 EST from Let's just all give in. O>nich registers reset/set flags if read before written) I'd appreciate to hear from you. I've already fixed the busy-wait loop in InitOmti, now it uses the timer.device to perform the delay just as it should. Keep on hackin' -- Leonard *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2384; Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:00:49 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3441; Fri, 20 Apr 9??U| Espen Outtasight Lyngaas This is for those of you who've hacked the C't disk driver. I installed a GVP 68030 card yesterday, but I can't get the driver to co-operate. It's not very strange, I think. Looking at the source after having read the Commodore programming guidelines for supporting different 680x0 processors reveals lots of problems. If you have fixed the driver, or have a description on the AT disk controller registers (I need to know wh@ !HDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2378; Fri, 20 Apr 90 08:59:55 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3107; Fri, 20 Apr 90 08:07:25 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 09:03:38 +0300 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: vinsci@RA.ABO.FI Subject: C't harddisk.device driver for 68030? To: AlSunning DMouse, Sunmouse, MachII etc (you had to click once to select the window and again to drag it). I always use DMouse, and didn't notice this at first. I don't know of anyone who uses their Amiga without one of those 'auto-select' features, and hopefully it will become part of the O/S, making my drag bar and iconify gadget perfectly useable (under the present O/S and 1.4 I guess too). Any thoughts on these will be appreciated. Thanks for your time (and patience!!!), Andy *:MSGBkX300 bytes need CHIP, the rest can go anywhere. It ain't PURE but different copies can be run simultaneously, although I can't think why anyone would want to do this). Some thoughts, anyone prefer double-click to un-iconify? I like using another button (Like Sunview) but in keeping with Workbench tradition.. I also made my own drag bar at one point, which made the ICONIFY gadget 100% visable and compatible, BUT you couldn't select and drag the window in one key-press UNLESS you were rC2%icon' gadget below Reset, which duplicates the actual iconify gadget in the top border. Same format as before, just uuencoded, no docs. Executable is 2580 bytes. I will chase up on CSA.tech for the border gadget solution (Oh 1.4 where are you?). Thanks for all those who took the time to try the program anyway. It is quite useful in it's present form, feel free to distribute it if you want to! (PS, made some improvements, the whole executable used to load into CHIPMEM, now just under D` a few of you were missing the Iconify gadget. It was there, really, I've tested the version I posted previously on my A1000 using all 4 combinations of Kickstart 1.2+1.3, Workbench 1.2 & 1.3, and several others have on their A500's, and the iconify gadget was present. I haven't a clue why it shouldn't show up on some systems, BUT as I am aware there is no real way of including gadgets in the border, and I really want impressions of the iconify procedure itself, I have put an extra 'ES R2.05) id 6920; Thu, 19 Apr 90 21:16:42 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 12:19:27 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: WILLETTSAC@SPOCK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject: Small SetColor program with ICONIFY.. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Posting this as I have been unable to reach some of those who requested a copy.. Here's a modified version of my SetColors program, as it seemsF- and perhaps some others I haven't heard of, but unless CBM re-engineers the graphics software, we're going to be stuck with lagging resolution and pallete. Maybe we should face the reality of the situation and just hang up our gloves now... SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET *:MSGHDR_7 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2307; Thu, 19 Apr 90 21:17:03 CET Received: by SEARN (MailerG!oAMIX, and more *fast*. Regardless of how cheap an Amiga is compared to a Mac, if the Mac is far enough ahead in design and speed, we might as well resign ourselves to being the proud owners of just another game machine. Amiga's greatest achilles heel right now is its graphics. Once one of the Amiga's greatest selling points, it's now it's limitation. Commodore *must* adopt a modular strategy to their graphics hardware. Sure, we have transputer boards and flickerfixers out there,H< EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: SUTTON@BRANDEIS Subject: We might as well hang up our gloves fellas... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I just browsed an article about the new Mac IIfx and it looks *HOT*. I'm afraid the Amiga is going to go down the drain unless CBM comes out with their new ECS, 1.4, I:z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. I*M PC/AT just say NO! Apple M*C just say WHY? AMIGA-1000 just say YES !!! ------------------------------------- EOF -------------------------------- *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2275; Thu, 19 Apr 90 18:45:18 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5761; Thu, 19 Apr 90 18:45:53 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 12:08:00 JWd8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! !!! !!! Heiko Rupp : UK85@DKAUNI2.BITNET !!! !!! Please send all stuff directly to me, as I'm not always !!! !!! subscribed to a list !!! !!! !!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! K~R2> Subject: KickstartROM for A1000 X-To: REPLY To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi, How did You manage to put Kickstart ROMs in your A1000 ? I've an old A1000 with the piggy back board (like the very first) Do You also have the ability to boot from Disk as normal ? Could you please send me a word (Please directly to me, because I am) not always subscribed to the list. Heiko (UK85@DKAUNI2.BITNET) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LB66L, karlsruhe - west-germany *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2269; Thu, 19 Apr 90 17:45:54 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5308; Thu, 19 Apr 90 17:46:33 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 17:34:00 LCL Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Heiko as UK85@DKAUNI2.BITNET" From: IAK111@DKAKFK3 Subject: Rubbish Messages To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas DATE ====> 04/19/90 TIME ====> 10.56.50 SENDER ====> USERID = IAK111 AT NODE = DKAKFK3 WENTZ hello, sorry, i was new in bitnet and i produced some rubbish messages in easter time. ok i hope this is now over. my request is: does anybody know, how to use a mc6020 at 14.3 mhz in the amiga thanks in advance. juergen wentz Ny,d@drunivac.bitnet PCHROMCZ@drunivac.drew.edu world!rutgers!njin!drew!drunivac!PCHROMCZ *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2180; Thu, 19 Apr 90 11:07:15 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2261; Thu, 19 Apr 90 11:07:56 O Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 11:04:45 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-AmiO solder sucker" braided wire (Radio Shack or any electronics store). Then solder in SOCKETS (tin them first). Don't try to solder the new chips onto the motherboard! Be careful, and don't rush. You may want a helper to hold the solder sucker, pull the stubs out with longnose pliers, etc. I find it is possible to use my bare feet effectively to hold something if some extra hands are not available. Happy hardware hacking, -*- Alec -*- PCHROMCZP-t? I really hope it is socketed, >I do not trust my soldering ability and I live about as far from >civilization as one can get. > >Jeff >alee@msstate.bitnet I am almost sure that they are socketed. If not, if you are willing to destroy the old ROMs (you won't need them again, and nobody else wants them), it's easy: Snip all the pins on the old chips with a small pair of cutters. Using a SMALL, COOL soldering iron, desolder the stubs individually. I find it easiest to use the "QRL Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: PCHROMCZ@DREW Subject: kickstart roms To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas X-News: drunivac bit.listserv.i-amiga:1586 >From: "Amanda C. Lee" >Subject:kickstart roms >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 90 20:36:03 CDT >Message-ID: >My question is, how do I upgrade kickstarR~2n advance! -Later, Sean Wall (WALL@CANCER.BITNET) *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2118; Thu, 19 Apr 90 07:07:01 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0356; Thu, 19 Apr 90 07:07:21 O Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 23:28:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List S#o-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: WALL@ZODIAC Subject: Julia Sets and IMandelVroom To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi Gang! Does anybody know where I can get a recent version of IMandelVroom that does Julia sets? I saw some on an I*M and I liked how they looked. FTP sites are fine, as I have access to FTP. Thanks iTޣTker's and gamer's machine, it's only serious application being as a v.cheap video tool and for fine art, and it will fail here soon for the reasons above. - marcus *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2102; Thu, 19 Apr 90 03:16:21 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9066; Thu, 19 Apr 90 03:17:00 O Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 21:08:00 EDT Reply-To: InfU] To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I believe it's too late for the Amiga to make it as a business machine, what really annoys me is that unless the Amiga gets at least 256 colours at a decent resolution I don't think it will make it at all for much longer! The new STE from Atari will match the Amiga 500 specs for graphics and sound, the Mac II and PC VGA machine far surpass the Amiga graphically. I don't see things changing. I think the Amiga is a hacVF*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 1842; Wed, 18 Apr 90 15:21:49 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3148; Wed, 18 Apr 90 15:22:03 O Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 10:32:00 GMT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mr disco Subject: re: commodire (sic) stockL%k THis terminal program has a KERMIT SEND/RECEIVE option (window controlled) for KERMIT compatibility. Generally one could say that Dr.term is an enhanced KERMIT program, utilizing the amiga as it should be. If you're interested I'll look for the manufacturer. (cause i don't know right now) ^3donerqKXTFrom: Space Harrier Subject: Re: Sign me up. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 28 Apr 90 14:36:02 PLT from <96994999@WSUVM1> Hi Jeff, I'm used to those frustrated feelings about trying to cummunicate with an IBM VM/CMS S370. I've tried to use KERMIT for file transferring myself, but i've had the same problems. THese days i use Dr.Term for communication. It works perfectly .....JYǏmMned about will be announced nearer the actual release of 2.0. SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET *:MSGHDR_24 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4485; Tue, 01 May 90 13:49:19 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7455; Tue, 01 May 90 13:50:00 O Date: Tue, 1 May 90 13:15:56 MET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List IZ2: until the companies decide >to release a 2.0 version, assuming they take the trouble to notify me when >they are done. (Not to mention upgrade fees) If anybody can dispell this >rumor, please do, 'cause frankly, it's got me worried. > >The Troglodyte Anyone who is a registered Amiga developer (and I'm sure the companies who make your "high-buck" software are) will have had copies of 2.0 for some time now to make the necessary upgrades. I suspect that the updates that you're concerH[(FINHUTC> Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: SUTTON@BRANDEIS Subject: RE: 2.0 compatability woes To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > I just heard from someone claiming to be a developer that 2.0 DOES NOT >WORK with up to 85-95% of existing software. What!!?? If this is true, then >all my high-buck productvity software (the stuff that will benifit most m >from the stuff in 2.0, is essentially worthlessG\+4L Book is identified as: MC68881UM/AD (rev ?) /Matti Aarnio OH1MQK *:MSGHDR_23 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3346; Wed, 25 Apr 90 15:47:18 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9873; Wed, 25 Apr 90 15:47:48 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 07:51:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List In-Reply-To: <9004250722.AA00944@mea.utu.fi>; from "VANBREEM@HLERUL51.BITNET" at Apr 24, 90 12:40 pm > I am planning to build a MC68881 Floating point processor board for > the Amiga 500. I would like to know if this is usefull. Does anyone > know some typical timings for calculating a sin(x) or sqrt(x)? It is quite elementary thing to make 68881 to act like IO chip. (It has provisions for it, and its explained in its databD_ӓ6 *:MSGHDR_22 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3331; Wed, 25 Apr 90 12:55:40 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8663; Wed, 25 Apr 90 12:55:57 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 10:15:17 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: MC68881 Board To: Espen OutC`OKms that won't work with 2.0. Most of these programs will be games. Some productivity software will be lost. 2.0 WILL be a big shake up for developers using the "tricks" to get their software to run faster, better, etc... Explicit intructions of what TO use and what NOT TO use are in the ROM kernel manuals. Those developers who chose to ignore them will pay the price. Brian Wright s36666wb@etsuacad.etsu.eduBa\Np: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 25 Apr 90 00:15:31 EST from Well, Workbench 2.0 isn't going to be compatible with any program that makes specific jumps into ROM. A lot of programs out today do just that. A-max won't work with 2.0 because it basically patches the trackdisk.device like setpatch. Commodore has fixed the trackdisk.device in 2.0(I assume). There will be a great percentage of prograAb-b===================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3321; Wed, 25 Apr 90 12:05:44 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8232; Wed, 25 Apr 90 12:06:19 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 04:02:34 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Brian Wright Subject: Re: 2.0 compatability woes To@c called. No programmer does, right? What about the customers? Yes. They want to hear that things are new and different and improved to the point that they are called 2.0, rather than 1.4. So, it all makes sense. It also shows that C-A's marketing is taking charge and doing the right thing. -Tom --- Tom Limoncelli tlimonce@drew.edu (new) ...as seen in USA Today! tlimonce@drew.Bitnet limonce@pilot.njin.net *:MSGHDR_21 ===========================================================?dNw)2.0" for an operating system that *would* break 90% of all programs. The marketing department decided that "1.4" would be called 2.0 because they need a way to make it clear that this new version is really new and different. The thing is, it's still quite compatible. What's new and different is that they ADDED so many things. So, what will they call the version that breaks a lot of programs? Who knows. Is this a good idea? Yes. If you think about it, who cares what something is>e IMONCE@DREW> Subject: Re: 2.0 compatability woes To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In article <900425.00213562.001284@CMR.CP6>, Dennis_Grant@CMR001.BITNET writes: > I just heard from someone claiming to be a developer that 2.0 DOES NOT > WORK with up to 85-95% of existing software. What!!?? If this is true, then This is a false rumor. Originally, this version of AmigaDOS was going to be called 1.4, because the designers had reserved the name "=fm0================================================================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3317; Wed, 25 Apr 90 11:23:09 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8022; Wed, 25 Apr 90 11:23:25 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 01:22:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Tom Limoncelli @ Drew Univ." I too have been annoyed at the lack of this sort of program. There's plenty around for floppies (notably the optimize on X-copy).. Apparently, though hope is around : M.V. Micro's sell a B.A.D. Diskoptimiser for about 30 pounds. I've not got it - I've not got round to buying it yet, but it seems good. Why isn't there a P.D. version ? :i maintainer. We shall see. > Cheers, John. /Matti Aarnio *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3315; Wed, 25 Apr 90 11:18:20 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7986; Wed, 25 Apr 90 11:19:01 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:52:42 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List 9j.To: <9004250555.AA00413@mea.utu.fi>; from "ZZAPSJC@CMS.MANCHESTER-COMPUTING-CENTRE.AC.UK" at Apr 24, 90 3:27 pm > What happened to the two fish disks, ff313 and ff314. There is a nice > little gap where these disks should be on both MRCNEXT [128.174.73.105] > and FUNET.FI [128.214.1.1]. I don't know, but if they aren't at MRCNEXT, they can't be found at FUNIC.FUNET.FI either. (they should be moved off the FUNET.FI.) I will Cc: this to *FUNET.FI Amiga8kQ================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3271; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:14:45 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6922; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:15:14 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:45:24 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: ff313 .. ff314 X-cc: pl@tut.fi To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-7l>ommand is finished. I > wrote a litle test program to test it. I compile and link it with the > following commands : Yes, but have you closed stdin and stdout also ? I guess following start sould do it, but I am not sure: testprog >nil: Arthur van Rooijen /Matti Aarnio OH1MQK *:MSGHDR_18 ==============================================================6mDB88002@NOBIVM.BITNET> In-Reply-To: <9004250555.AA00386@mea.utu.fi>; from "AP_vRooijen@PTTRNL.NL" at Apr 24, 90 3:57 pm > Hello World, > > (I didn't get any replies the first time so I try agian, PLEASE REPLY) > > At the moment I'm experimenting with cback.o startup routine from > lattice 5.02. I thought when you close the _Backstdout filehandler you > can close the window in wich you started the command. But I can't get > it to work. The window only closes when the c5n7D======================================================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3267; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:14:31 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6902; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:14:41 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:35:21 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: Lattice cback.o question (repost) To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas a^ffey. "We've delivered an incredibly competitive hardware system featuring lower cost, higher performance and added communications capabilities." Mahaffey said key product features include a 16 or 25 Mhz, 68030 Motorola processor, a 68881 or 68882 math coprocessor, a true 32-bit architecture, 2 MB of memory standard (with an address space of over one gigabyte) and, as in all Amigas, true multitasking capability. The standard Amiga 3000 comes with a 40 MB hard drive and a 3.5-inch-vse multimedia demonstration at the Palladium. The powerful and elegant new Amiga (R) 3000 brings enhanced performance capabilities and a new AmigaDOS (TM) 2.0 operating system to the company's line of multimedia products. "The 3000 marks the first step in Commodore's new Amiga product marketing strategy and reinforces our serious bid to capture greater market share within the business, government and higher education markets," said Commodore Vice President of Marketing C. Lloyd Maha,wU. -Dan Riley (dsr@crnlns) -Wilson Lab, Cornell University FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE EXPECTED SHIP DATE: JULY 1990 COMMODORE EXTENDS POPULAR AMIGA PRODUCT LINE; INTRODUCES TALENTED AMIGA 3000 AT "MULTIMEDIA LIVE" NEW YORK, NY -- April 24, 1990 -- Commodore Business Machines President Harold Copperman and his aggressive management team today dramaticallay defined multimedia as the company introduced the latest in its popular line of Amiga personal computers at a liv+x {i were three major Amiga announcements today that I know of. One is the A3000 (ship date July), second is the AmigaVision(TM) multimedia authoring system (ship date May 1990), and the third is various networking products, including an EtherNet adaptor, Arcnet adaptor, Novell (R) NetWare client software, and TCP/IP and NFS software (ship date June 1990). I've attached the official A3000 press release. *NOTE* this is not a rumor. This is the official Commodore press release, verbatim*y%miga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: DSR@CRNLNS Subject: A3000 (really) To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Comment: forwarded by CRNLNS/FMAIL v2.0 Comment: REPLY may not work. Comment: Network-Source: _LNS62::DSR (HEPnet/SPAN) Comment: Originally-From: DSR "Dan Riley" Comment: Originally-To: JNET%"i-amiga@ubvm",SEB There)z9y: 31236 prnl nl The Netherlands. Domain : ap_vrooijen@pttrnl.nl EARN/BITnet : ROOIJEN@HLSDNL5.BITNET PSS (DATAnet1) : +204 117035801::ROOIJEN *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3259; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:12:36 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5260; Wed, 25 Apr 90 07:05:29 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 22:06:00 EST Reply-To: Info-A({)n long _Backstdout; #define MSG "HELLO WORLD\n" void main() long i; Write(_Backstdout, MSG, strlen(MSG)); Close(_Backstdout); for (i=0;i<5000000;i++); ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Arthur van Rooijen PTT Research Neher Laboratories, Phone : +31 70 3325092 2260 AK Leidschendam, Telefax: +31 70 3326477 P.O. box 421, Telex '|/hte test; endcli the cli window will print "HELLO WORLD" "Shell 2 ending". The shell window will only disappear when the delay loop is finished. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG ???????????????????????? I hope you can help me ------------------------> test program <-------------------------------- #include #include #include #include long _stack = 4000; char *_procname = "my_program"; long _priority = 0; long _BackGroundIO = 1; exter&}n+=y agian, PLEASE REPLY) At the moment I'm experimenting with cback.o startup routine from lattice 5.02. I thought when you close the _Backstdout filehandler you can close the window in wich you started the command. But I can't get it to work. The window only closes when the command is finished. I wrote a litle test program to test it. I compile and link it with the following commands : LC test BLINK FROM LIB:cback.o+"test.o" TO "test" LIB LIB:lc.lib LIB:amiga.lib BATCH When I execu%~ZJ 25 Apr 90 09:10:07 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7983; Tue, 24 Apr 90 18:06:57 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 15:57:00 MET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: This mail was sent by PMDF V3.1 From: AP_vRooijen@PTTRNL.NL Subject: Lattice cback.o question (repost) To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello World, (I didn't get any replies the first time so I tr$&uvally be getting hot after tomorrow. Two thumbs up for C=. They kept the entire press conference low key and did not support any rumor mills by keeping the entire public in the dark until they could deliver a working model on the first try, unlike some of C='s competitors, namely APPLE. -Jim Green GREEN@OSHKOSHW *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3236; Wed, #|85 had the A1000 on the cover. >I've still got mine (the BYTE issue and the A1000 -- but the A3000 may >get me to part with the latter :-). > >-Dan Riley (dsr@crnlns) >-Wilson Lab, Cornell University After a nice discussion with my local dealer, I have found out that almost everything we have been waiting for is going to be announced tomorrow, Tuesday April 24, 1990, at a press conference C= is holding in New York. A3000, Workbench 1.4, networking cards, etc... This board should re";dts, I just saw (and purchased) the latest >>issue of BYTE magazine which ON THE COVER HAS >> >> "Mainstream Amiga!" New Amiga 3000. > >I've seen this confirmed on BIX too. The May BYTE wasn't supposed to be >released until after the official announcement this coming week, but it >has crept out in a few places (apparently Minneapolis is one place they >are on sale now). > >>For BYTE to cover the amiga on the cover has got to be a first. > >What short memories they have! August 19!+*Apr 90 21:02:01 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 13:48:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "James R. Green University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh" Subject: Re: BYTE has the 3000 on the cover! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Date sent: 23-APR-1990 13:41:45 > >>SOOOOOOOO!!! In all of the argumen /زga and then use that cash for developing and marketing the higher-end Amigas. And finally.... does ANYBODY know if Golden Axe will come to the Amiga?????????? Carlos Camacho p.s. For all you Director fans, an upgrade is 3 months away!!! *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3224; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:08:31 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9494; Tue, 24 kga 500, but it seems that if I want to be happening in the Amiga's future I'll need a 3000. So, I'm probally gonna sell the A500 and look to a brand new 3000. The question is , will CBM offer a student discount on the 3000 too? Also in the news, I hear that the 500, will be broken into 2 market segments. (Mass merchants and Amiga dealers.) Before we all say bad move CBM, and say it spells doom, remember this... CBM needs to make money!!! .. Let them make some cash on the low-end AmiUN d it's sure enough true. This developement in the Amiga world comes at a much needed time. ( Lately I've been hearing alot of crying from Amiga users because we are falling behind.) Hip, hip, horray for CBM. (Perhaps this is a good time to buy some stock?) I'm glad Copperman is THE MAN, he's doing a good job at the wheel, of course credit falls to Amiga users for selling the Amiga, Amiga engineers for making it happen, and for Apple for overcharging the color Mac's ;-) I own an Ami%:a List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: Amiga mainstream! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas At first I thought this must be one heck of a rumor , that the Amiga 3000, would be on Byte's Cover but I did some checking anU/compress.helpcms I hope this helps you /Pedro Duque (ESC1472@ESOC.EARN) A Spaniard in Darmstadt (F.R.G.) *:MSGHDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3222; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:07:51 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1493; Wed, 25 Apr 90 00:07:23 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 13:51:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amig6 6to spread is that there is a version of COMPRESS for the IBM mainframes running VM in a server in Belgium: TAPSERV @ BLEKUL11. So people with a 512KB Amiga and a VM acount (quite a lot of people, I think) can decompress in the mainframe with 16 bits and transfer the decompressed file (of course, it will be much bigger) Just send a HELP command there; or, if you are in a hurry, try directly: GET vm-cms/file-util/compress.module GET vm-cms/file-util/compress.exec GET vm-cms/file-utila610JACQ@HASARA11> On Tue, 24 Apr 90 11:22:10 CET Jacqueline Cote said: > >I have a problem which seems impossible to resolve. I would like to >decompress UNIX .Z files. On various Fish disks, and posted to the >Amiga Discussion at UMNEWS were versions of the UNIX program 'compress', ...lots of problems with 16-bit compressed files deleted Hi, Jacqueline I had the same problems when trying to recompile the compress in one of the early Fish Disks with MAXBITS = 16. What I am trying  Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Pedro Duque Subject: Re: HELP wanted with program 'compress' To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 24 Apr 90 11:22:10 CET from Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: <24APR90.14827959.0054.MUSIC@UNB.CA> Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: MRK0000 Subject: Of HD optimizers/utilities To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I've been using my 2000/40 MB HD u /* display an arbitrary C variable */ Here the trouble starts, CPR responding : sum not found !!!!!!! Could anyone please help me, my girlfriend will really appreciate it cause she has to share my feelings about that f@#u*%^g CPR. Thanx...... *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3218; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:07:12 CET Received: bye CodePRode debugger, as included with the LAttice C 5.1 development package. The problem is that during a debug session the C variables can not be accessed. What did I do ? : - execute cc -d test /* compile (LC1/LC2) the progrgram test.c with debug option. After compilation BLINK is invoked for linkage. */ - cpr test /* Invoke CPR - d sum n05) with BSMTP id 3197; Wed, 25 Apr 90 09:04:17 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7948; Tue, 24 Apr 90 18:04:33 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 16:37:52 MET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Space Harrier Subject: Problems with CodePRode / Lattice C 5.xx To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello, I am realy getting desperate on thv^ a disk drive in the near future and I'm looking into various models. Could anyone suggest a good one at a reasonable price? Thanks, Sean Wall (WALL@CANCER.BITNET) P.S. - I think it's great that Commodore finally released the 3000 and other goodies. It's about time! *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.NpRN (Mailer R2.05) id 2797; Wed, 25 Apr 90 02:20:44 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 19:44:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: WALL@ZODIAC Subject: Commodore Discounts on A1010 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi Folks! Does anyone know if Commodore offers a discount on the 1010? I'm looking to buyQ_ * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore /// * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3160; Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:59:31 CET Received: by SEAd1cList Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: using the serial device To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Can somebody mail me a short example of a program that does asynchronous I/O to the serial device in Lattice C? I'm having some real problems with this. Thanks. ********************************************************** * Tom Hayko  ade fees) If anybody can dispell this rumor, please do, 'cause frankly, it's got me worried. The Troglodyte *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3150; Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:58:40 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1604; Wed, 25 Apr 90 00:11:07 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 16:35:32 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga  7ility woes To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I just heard from someone claiming to be a developer that 2.0 DOES NOT WORK with up to 85-95% of existing software. What!!?? If this is true, then all my high-buck productvity software (the stuff that will benifit most m from the stuff in 2.0, is essentially worthless until the companies decide to release a 2.0 version, assuming they take the trouble to notify me when they are done. (Not to mention upgr "y==================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3144; Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:58:20 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4834; Wed, 25 Apr 90 06:32:16 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 00:15:31 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dennis_Grant@CMR001 Subject: 2.0 compatab @FINHUTC> Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Andy Patrizio Subject: Re: Bloodwych To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 23 Apr 90 16:38:23 EST from Bloodwych? What a game... I'm told that it is impossible to finish with 2 playe rs, though. Now if I could only get my hands on it and find out for myself... *:MSGHDR_7 ============================ (&ese disks should be on both MRCNEXT [128.174.73.105] and FUNET.FI [128.214.1.1]. Cheers, John. *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3116; Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:55:47 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9427; Tue, 24 Apr 90 21:00:28 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 11:40:45 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: ZZAPSJC@CMS.MANCHESTER-COMPUTING-CENTRE.AC.UK Subject: ff313 .. ff314 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas What happened to the two fish disks, ff313 and ff314. There is a nice little gap where th67 (Mailer R2.05) id 7867; Tue, 24 Apr 90 17:58:02 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 16:31:37 MEZ Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Andreas Wandelt Subject: Neugier To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas /help *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP i.|HUTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Space Harrier Subject: Debugging Latice C 5.xx To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi Guys Does anybody know how to use CodeProbe. Carlos *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3082; Wed, 25 Apr 90 08:53:22 CET Received: by SEARNEF t with a minimum system to have enough free memory. ( You may have 700K free, but if it's 350K chip/ 350K fast, you are out of luck ). Udi *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3076; Tue, 24 Apr 90 17:52:25 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7814; Tue, 24 Apr 90 17:53:08 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 15:44:04 MET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List One of the early fish disks has 4 seperate copies of compress for 13 bits to 16 bits, which works just fine. Also, 1 Meg machines with 512K chip memory barely has the 425K continous memory needed by compress ( This is the memory requirement as far as I remember ). This means that when uncompressing 16 bit files on 1 meg machine you will have to boo)V90 17:48:52 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 17:39:32 +0300 Reply-To: finkel@math.tau.ac.il Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: If you have trouble reaching this host as math.tau.ac.il Please use the old address: user@taurus.bitnet Comments: W: Field "Resent-From:/From:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. Comments: W: Field "FROM:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. From: +ht Lyngaas I am planning to build a MC68881 Floating point processor board for the Amiga 500. I would like to know if this is usefull. Does anyone know some typical timings for calculating a sin(x) or sqrt(x)? *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3074; Tue, 24 Apr 90 17:48:09 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7778; Tue, 24 Apr |Ҥ*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3060; Tue, 24 Apr 90 15:56:23 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6557; Tue, 24 Apr 90 15:57:00 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 12:40:00 N Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: VANBREEM@HLERUL51 Subject: MC68881 Board To: Espen Outtasigj1: Hi guys, need to know what fish disk has a 3270 IBM emulator, i connected yesterday by modem to my college but using pc transformer and ftterm, is there a pd program to simulate IBM 9370 ????? Please help and if you can answer personally , id appreciate it. MARV o (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3929; Fri, 27 Apr 90 18:37:08 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0042; Fri, 27 Apr 90 18:36:45 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 11:16:00 CDT Reply-izW========================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3945; Fri, 27 Apr 90 19:39:24 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0688; Fri, 27 Apr 90 19:40:09 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:14:05 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: EM435302@VMTECMEX Subject: IBM 3270 Emulator To: Espen Outh has a switch on the back that control the input mode and one on the front. It has both analog and digital RGB if that is any help. If it would work what would be the best mode I could get out of it? CGA, EGA, or VGA? I hope EGA. What cables or connections would I need to build/buy? Thanks for any help. Jeff Smith JEFFS@KSUVM *:MSGHDR_25 =======================================================g/vTo: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Jeff Smith KB0CAB Subject: Amiga Monitor????? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have an old but reliable Amiga 1000 and Amiga monitor. I'm not sure of the model number but it is the one that sold about 5 years ago. Can I use that monitor with an IBM compatible? It fv\)so somebody else can speak. Carlos Camacho p.s. DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF CBM OFFERS A CO-OP or INTERNSHIP AT THERE WEST CHESTER SITE??? ( I know some of ya are laughing.... 8-) *:MSGHDR_24 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3929; Fri, 27 Apr 90 18:37:08 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0042; Fri, 27 Apr 90 18:36:45 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 11:16:00 CDT Reply-eoN they could get rid of the keyboard on the A500, give it a CD-ROm and sell it as a Education/Game computer, and have the REAL dealers carry the A1500, the 'new' A2000 ( Redesign the case to match the other models.) and the A3000. ( I heard that the A2500/20 was discountinued.) CBM's policy of talking after showing stuff is more pro and better business but I think it fustrates users cause everbody walks around saying 'Is my baby obsolete???' Oh well... I'll get off the soapbox now duG stuff (Although you can switch the slots to amiga.) Soooooo.... I call on CBM to give me a Amiga A1500!!! Put it inside the A3000 case, get rid of all IBM stuff... and give me a lower price lets say between $700 and $1200. And then (grining very much) give me an A1500 for my A500 deal!!! he he... I would buy this machine, how about anybody else??? I need video slots, and cpu slot , a detachable keyboard but I don't have $4000 for an A3000 ( yet....... ) I think if CBM did this THEc*rm.. (But I don't know what YOU use your A500 for so perhaps you may not need to let go of it, but for the stuff I want to do the A500 got my feet wet but the A3000 is my future.) BTW..... I hear this everywhere but I'll bring up the subject again.... I was speaking with a Tech at a BIG Amiga dealer and he said when he saw old prototypes for the A3000, he was told original it would be a lower end A2000 without the MS-DOG stuff.... well as we all know by now it's still got the MS-DObwAnna start seeing stuff like +------------+ I The I I Greatest I I Game I I I I pc/xt I I 640k req. I I EGA/VGA I +------------+ In other words I think a few pro-software down the line won't be able to run on the A500. Thats why I have decided to NOT buy more memory, or a HD for my A500, and cross my fingers that the A3000 will be discounted to students so I can get one. I'm not saying give up your A500, but think about your options in the long-tea' OS will be available for both the A500 and A2000 models some time in September. The only problem that I can see with the 'new' OS on the A500, is that because the A500 doesn't have a video slot, it won't be able to use the Flicker Fixer ( Like the A3000 does.) So the A2000, will have an advantage. Also I can't see how a A500 will be used with the 31MHz (Something like that.) video output that the A3000 has. So all in all, I think the A500 will get the 'newer' Dos but like IBM your go`i o-Amiga List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: For Mike on A500 woes... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi Mike, I also have an A500 model. I also got to use the A3000 and was very impressed. CBM said that the 'newer' _~U͂the A3000 and the Byte cover AND it seems that yesterday it hit an all time low of 6 something... this is scary.... *:MSGHDR_23 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3895; Fri, 27 Apr 90 16:11:48 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8297; Fri, 27 Apr 90 16:11:50 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 09:27:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Inf^04-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: CBM Stocks To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have been tracking CBM stock with the anticipation of a rise with the intro of ](3are the A3000 drives still slooooooow... then yes. I hear somebody is selling a drive that holds more than 880k for the Amiga in Amigaworld... whats the scoop??? *:MSGHDR_22 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3893; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:57:55 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8117; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:57:34 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 09:36:00 EDT Reply-To: Info\w'6 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 09:29:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: Amiga 3000 drives To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas If ya mean [uNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3887; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:44:57 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7962; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:45:34Z9he A3000 and A2000 DOES NOT MEAN that it "isn't going to be available" for the A500. Hell, it'll even run on an A1000, but you need 2 MB of autoconfig memory to do it. (CBM said so.) Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett - Systems Administrator, Computer Science Department | | The Johns Hopkins University, 34th and Charles Sts., Baltimore, MD 21218 | | INTERY/4E ELIAS [MIGHTY AMIGO] SYSTEMS ANALYSIS" > I have heard from 2 different postings here and on NEWS that the >AmigaDos 2.0 will not be available for the A500's because of problems with >installing the new chips or somesuch in the A500's infamous design. DON'T BELIEVE THESE RUMORS. Commodore has stated in comp.sys.amiga that 2.0 WILL run on the A500. The exact upgrade info has not been officially announced, that's all. Come on, people: just because CBM announced 2.0 for tXSN Fri, 27 Apr 90 09:22:18 -0400 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was barrett@CRABCAKE.CS.JHU.EDU Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dan Barrett Subject: 2.0 and my A500 X-To: i-amiga@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas From: "MIKW*)[in I take memory chips out of the RAM expansion to put into the new machine? Another thing: THERE'S BEEN NO MENTION OF UNIX IN ALL THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS! WHAT HAPPENED TO UNIX? SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET *:MSGHDR_20 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3885; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:44:36 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7946; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:45:10 O Date: V4 SUTTON@BRANDEIS Subject: A500 > A3000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have a 500. I now feel fortuante that I haven't put a lot of money into upgrading it now that the 3000 has come out. I have the RAM expanded to 1 meg and have a SupraDrive SCSI 20 meg hard disk. Now here's my question: Is there anything that I can salvage from this setup when and if I get an Amiga 3000? Can I get a controller card to hook up the hard disk to? CaU;!:. --dominic *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3881; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:43:41 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7916; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:44:17 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:03:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: TRrashed consistently. DPaintIII worked so so, but did crash also. Excellence ran, but opened a 1080 x 800 screen of which only 640x400 was visible. Kinda gay (it worked though). I'm not really sure what the compatibility will be like. Things like DME worked, but key repeat was gone. Xoper locked up the console device (all of them, not just it's window). We'll see in the next couple of weeks how good/bad things really are. I don't think it will be terrible (at least I hope not)Stm4:30 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7570; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:05:12 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:50:21 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: GIAMPAL@AUVM Subject: RE: 2.0 compatability woes To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas well I played with 2.0 on an A3000 yesterday, and things like DVideo III cR fencoded form. Anyone interested, mail me direct and I'll send it out. I won't post something this big. NOTE, this isn't an actual snapshot, just a 'taster' of the layout, style, etc. Anyone there with wb2.0 fancy taking a snapshot with ScreenX or something and making that available instead? Andy *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3867; Fri, 27 Apr 90 15:0QIRK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject: Workbench 2.0 looks.. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas We've all read the reviews on the A3000 by now, and are impressed. But, for those who would like to see what the WB2.0 actually looks like, and haven't had chance to see the machine, or it's literature, I knocked up a little WB2.0 look alike last night, from what I could remember, and what I could pick out from the brochure. The file is 640x512x8, under 40K in uuPcBomething (eg new video modes) ? Richard End of Message *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3849; Fri, 27 Apr 90 11:14:17 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5507; Fri, 27 Apr 90 11:14:52 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 09:46:20 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: WILLETTSAC@KO vailable. The base model, also called A3000, has 1 Mbyte and costs about 650 UK pounds (c. $1000). The 4 Mb, 50 Mb hard disk version is about 2500 UK pounds (c. $4000) ). However as arelatively new machine the Arc does not have the software base of the Amiga. What seems to be missing in the C= announcement is useful info for the established user base; what does it actually mean to the average A500/A2000 owner? How easy/expensive is the upgrade? Do you end up still missing sN荱 , which would be nice, but they're not exactly cheap. I guess part of the problem is that to sell to the corporate buyer, cheapness is actually a disadvantage -- to be taken seriously, a machine must be EXPENSIVE. By the way, my yardstick for price/performance is the Acorn Archimedes (for those who don't know it, you get a multitasking 640x512, 16 or 256 colour "Workbench" with all the features mentioned for 2.0, and seriously FAST -- 4 MIPS basic, and 500% speed-up boards aM%pchard Francis ORM (4460)" Subject: Re: Verbatim C= announcements To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > ...Commodore Business > Machines President Harold Copperman and his aggressive > management team... I don't think I like the sound of an aggressive management team. Does that mean that they're rude and hit people? Can't something be done about it? Perhaps they only get aggressive if you don't buy one of the new machinesLiaxpensive static RAM used in Micro Way's original flickerFixer. Udi *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3847; Fri, 27 Apr 90 10:34:31 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5055; Fri, 27 Apr 90 10:30:38 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 10:23:40 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "RiKŒ~our A500 can use the new ECS and AmigaOS without any problems. > -Mike Elias >ps. Just reply through i-amiga. I'll see it. Thanx... In fact, I've heard another rumor from a VERY reliable source, which is that the new custom chip which deinterlaces the screen on the A3000 will be used to create a new flickerFixer for the A2000 made by CBM. It will handle the full PAL resolution, and will be cheaper since it uses dynamic RAM instead of the more eJs sockets were designed for a 256K ROM ( Rev 3 motherboard ). This can be fixed with a __single__ wire on the motherboard. Newer A500 should use the new 512KB ROM without any problem. > I love my A500, and I couldn't afford the A3000 anyway, but this >(if it's true) makes me sick to my stomach! After hearing all the wonderful >reviews about 2.0 the last few days, and then to get hit with these rumours >is like getting hit with a bucketful of ice-water. Unpleasant at best... YIt> retained. From: FINKEL@TAURUS Subject: Re: 2.0 and my A500 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > Hi all, > > I have heard from 2 different postings here and on NEWS that the >AmigaDos 2.0 will not be available for the A500's because of problems with >installing the new chips or somesuch in the A500's infamous design. Is this >true? All of it, or just partially? Well, AmigaOS 2.0 comes on a 512KB ROM. Very early A500'Hś>ler R2.05) id 4971; Fri, 27 Apr 90 10:21:03 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 11:13:38 +0300 Reply-To: finkel@math.tau.ac.il Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: If you have trouble reaching this host as math.tau.ac.il Please use the old address: user@taurus.bitnet Comments: W: Field "Resent-From:/From:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. Comments: W: Field "FROM:" duplicated. Last occurence was GƤwhich will have 1MB chip RAM. ( Actually, you can get a 1280x200 screen on a normal 1081 monitor, but the dot pitch is so big that you actually see a very bad picture. Certainly not worth the extra money for a new Denise if you don't plan replacing the monitor ). Udi *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3843; Fri, 27 Apr 90 10:22:18 CET Received: by SEARN (MaiFzBw FINKEL@TAURUS Subject: Re: My poor little 2000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Upgrading to 2.0 requires only the 2.0 Kickstart ROM, which will come with the extra disks ( and hopefully include AmigaVision as well, since it will be delivered free with every new Amiga ). You DON'T have to upgrade to the ECS if you don't want to. If you don't plan replacing your monitor to a Multisync monitor, the ECS won't do you any good except for the Agnus E0R0 10:14:16 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 11:08:38 +0300 Reply-To: finkel@math.tau.ac.il Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: If you have trouble reaching this host as math.tau.ac.il Please use the old address: user@taurus.bitnet Comments: W: Field "Resent-From:/From:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. Comments: W: Field "FROM:" duplicated. Last occurence was retained. From: D:;Machines, 1200 Wilson Drive, West Chester, PA 19380 or call 215-431-9100. ### -- -- Ken Farinsky - CATS - (215) 431-9421 - Commodore Business Machines uucp: ...uunet,rutgers!cbmvax!ken bix: kfarinsky *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3841; Fri, 27 Apr 90 10:16:44 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4920; Fri, 27 Apr 9CكPGcomputers to run applications on other machines while displaying the program's output and interfacing with the program from their Amiga system. Peer-to-Peer Network. A peer-to-peer network, manufactured by UK-based Hydra Systems, provides communication capabilities for Amigas sharing hard and floppy disk drives serial ports (printers, modems, etc.). For more information on Commodore networking capabilities, contact Walt Simpson, director of product marketing, Commodore Business BˋQ their networking software products. These include the X-Window System (TM) from GfxBase and TSSnet from Syndesis. Suggested retail price for the TCP/IP and NFS software is $199. Other networking solutions currently available for the Amiga platform include: DECnet. TSSnet (Thursby Software Systems), an Amiga implementation of DECnet (Digital Network Architecture), is available from Syndesis Corporation. X-Window System. The X-Window System, available from GfxBase, enables A̍" with Amiga Bridgeboard (TM) options. Suggested retail price is $149. TCP/IP and NFS Software: TCP/IP and NFS software provide the Amiga with connectivity to DoD and other networks which support either of these standard packet-switching protocols. This new software for the Amiga will provide users with access to the widely installed far-reaching communications networks employing the TCP/IP standard. Several developers for the Amiga are already supporting TCP/IP and/or NFS for@`ƻ With Commodore's introduction of the Amiga Client for NetWare, the Amiga now has the capability of utilizing Commodore's A2060 adaptor to communicate with Novell Networks running Novell NetWare Version 2.15 or higher. The software features password security and provides the user with two interfaces: a text-oriented interface or the Amiga mouse-based interface. Users can utilize the Amiga's multitasking feature to simultaneously run other programs under AmigaDOS and/or the MS-DOS?75ndard. Suggested retail price is $349. The A2060 Arcnet Network Adaptor: The Arcnet Network Adaptor, now available for the Amiga, provides full Arcnet bus protocols over Arcnet bus topology networks. The 2.5 Mbps Arcnet Network Adaptor supports up to 256 nodes and features a socket for optional autoboot ROM. It also provides buffered memory to enhance inter-system communications. Suggested retail price for the A2060 is $229. The AS220 -- Amiga Client for Novell (R) NetWare>6F`ly enhance the appeal of the Amiga in an office or campus environment and increase our competitiveness in the U.S. market." Networking products introduced today include the following: The A2065 -- Ethernet Network Adaptor The Amiga Ethernet Network Adaptor runs at 10 megabits per second and provides full ANSI 802.3 type Ethernet protocols over both thick and thin Ethernet connections. The networking product gives Amiga users access to the widely installed Ethernet networking sta=HZG Lloyd Mahaffey said the announcements are a key component in Commodore's strategy to significantly penetrate the business, higher education and government markets. He said today's introduction marks the first time Commodore has marketed Amiga networking products. Shipping is expected to begin in June. "Adding networking capabilities to the Amiga has been a priority since our team joined Commodore last spring," Mahaffey said. "We're convinced that this added capability will great<|uPAND GROWING AMIGA MARKETS NEW YORK, NY -- April 24, 1990 -- Commodore Business Machines President Harold Copperman today introduced a wide variety of networking capabilities for the company's popular line of Amiga personal computers during a spectacular multimedia presentation at the Palladium. The company also unveiled the newest addition to the Amiga family, the Amiga 3000, and a new multimedia authoring system called AmigaVision (TM). Commodore Vice President of Marketing C.;th: maine!yalevm!venus!yale!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!cbmvax!ken Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Press Release: Networking Message-ID: <11057@cbmvax.commodore.com> From: ken@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ken Farinsky - CATS) Date: 24 Apr 90 17:06:43 GMT Reply-To: ken@cbmvax (Ken Farinsky - CATS) Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA Lines: 133 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE EXPECTED SHIP DATE: JUNE 1990 COMMODORE ADDS EXTENSIVE NETWORKING CAPABILITIES ANNOUNCES PLANS TO EX:3FU*ome users begin to discover the benefits of multimedia. For more information on AmigaVision (TM), contact David Archambault, director of business markets, Commodore Business Machines, 1200 Wilson Drive, West Chester, PA 19380 or call 215-431-9100. ###### -- -- Ken Farinsky - CATS - (215) 431-9421 - Commodore Business Machines uucp: ...uunet,rutgers!cbmvax!ken bix: kfarinsky Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.9 09/07/89 VAX/VMS V5.3; site venus.ycc.yale.edu Pa9ԈyCr other networked machines. The system will be bundled with all Amiga 2000 and 3000 series machines. For existing owners, AmigaVision is available at Authorized Commodore Amiga Resellers for a suggested retail price of $149. Mahaffey said AmigaVision is a key component of Commodore's product marketing strategy for the Amiga family. While professional users comprise the majority of multimedia- related markets today, future plans call for penetration into the consumer market as h8Vision menus being visible, he said. Enhanced design capabilities allow for immediate on-screen preview while the presentation program is running. This allows the user to create unique user interface elements quickly and with ease. AmigaVision provides a flow-chart type iconic interface programming environment featuring a single control screen/menu. The Amiga operating system's AREXX (TM) communications protocol support allows applications to interact with programs on the same o7_%hCommodore is positioned to make a major play for personal computer sales within this growing market." David Archambault, director of business markets, said AmigaVision takes full advantage of the Amiga's built-in graphics, video and music capabilities. The system used the Amiga's native multitasking capability to allow users to run programs simultaneously. Unlike other authoring systems, AmigaVision is a non-intrusive environment which allows applications to run without the Amiga6ׇeVision does not require previous programming experience and is operable through an intuitive user interface. Mahaffey said the Amiga is the only computer that was originally designed as a multimedia class machine. "AmigaVision is a significant development in multimedia," said Tim Bajarin, vice president of Creative Strategies International, a Santa Clara, California-based research firm, and publisher of MULTIMEDIA COMPUTING AND PRESENTATIONS. "With today's round of announcements, 5tǥgin in May. The announcement was made as part of a live multimedia presentation at the Palladium. The company also introduced the latest in its Amiga (R) family of personal computers, the Amiga 3000, and a full line of networking products. Previously the domain of programmer-level professional users, multimedia can now be a tool for creative teachers, presentation professionals, computer-based trainers, instruction specialists as well as exhibit and display professionals. Amiga46X]sed to create innovative applications ranging from complex business presentations to daily courseware. Commodore Vice President of Marketing C. Lloyd Mahaffey said the new software system, called AmigaVision (TM), significantly expands the multimedia market by providing an easy-to-use and affordable method for business, education, government and consumer users to develop new applications by creatively combining graphics, text, video and audio components. Shipping is expected to be3ڣ. - CATS) Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA Lines: 95 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE EXPECTED SHIP DATE: MAY 1990 COMMODORE UNVEILS NEW AMIGAVISION (TM) AUTHORING SYSTEM; INNOVATIVE TOOL PROVIDES KEY TO MULTIMEDIA APPLICATIONS NEW YORK, NY -- April 24, 1990 -- Commodore Business Machines President Harold Copperman today strengthened the company's leadership position in the multimedia market by introducing powerful multimedia authoring software. The new system can be u2rth problems to: CroneJP@uregina1.bitnet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.9 09/07/89 VAX/VMS V5.3; site venus.ycc.yale.edu Path: maine!yalevm!venus!yale!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!cbmvax!ken Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Press Release: AmigaVision (TM) Message-ID: <11056@cbmvax.commodore.com> From: ken@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ken Farinsky - CATS) Date: 24 Apr 90 17:05:54 GMT Reply-To: ken@cbmvax (Ken Farinsky1Q$3:05:49 EST Date: Wed, 25 Apr 1990 03:05:27 EST Sender: "Revised List Processor (1.6d)" From: "Steve E. Goldsmith; Automated distribution" To: 91_BICKINGD@UNION Subject: File "25APR2 CSYS-AMI" being sent to you. *--------------------------------- Cut here ----------------------------------* Automated Bitnet distribution of Comp.sys.amiga usenet newsgroup. Report delivery problems to SteveG@maine.bitnet Netno0ݓ3"lson Drive, West Chester, PA 19380 or call 215-431-9100. # # # -- -- Ken Farinsky - CATS - (215) 431-9421 - Commodore Business Machines uucp: ...uunet,rutgers!cbmvax!ken bix: kfarinsky *:MSGHDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: From YALEVM(MAILER) by UNION with Jnet id 6073 for 91_BICKINGD@UNION; Wed, 25 Apr 90 03:19 EDT Received: by YALEVM (Mailer R2.03B) id 6175; Wed, 25 Apr 90 0/ơ, government and consumer markets. The multitasking Amiga (R) line includes the Commodore Amiga 2000 (TM), the Commodore Amiga 500 (TM) and two enhanced products: the Commodore Amiga 2000HD (TM) and the Commodore Amiga 2500/30 (TM). Commodore's line of MS-DOS (R)-compatible computers includes the Select Edition (TM) and Professional Series III (TM). For more information on the Amiga 3000, contact Walt Simpson, director of product marketing, Commodore Business Machines, 1200 Wi.94 high resolution monochrome and 1950 color multiscan; and * Commodore Amiga 10 Stereo Audio Compact Speakers. Commodore further announced an AmigaDOS 2.0 enhancer kit for A2000 series machines to be available in September. Availability of a 2.0 enhancer kit for A500 series machines will be announced at a future date. Commodore Business Machines, Inc., based in West Chester, Pa., markets a complete line of personal computers and peripherals for the business, education-iq This feature, coupled with Commodore's new AmigaVision (TM) authoring system, creates a powerful multitasking environment for the creation of multimedia presentations. Along with the A3000 announcement, Commodore introduced a number of strategic software and peripheral products, including: * AmigaVision authoring system; * Networking products providing connectivity with Arcnet, Novell (R) NetWare, Ethernet, TCP/IP and NFS standards; * Monitors, including 202,jIatform, Simpson said. Besides the new look, standards have been created for all system utilities, icons, requesters and gadgets to permit ease-of-use by both users and programmers, he said. In addition, Commodore announced the inclusion of the AREXX (TM) interprocess communication protocol and programming language. The integration of AREXX into the AmigaDOS operating system will facilitate the control of external programs from within any application supporting AREXX, Simpson said.+Yp!We Amiga Reseller locations. Commodore Director of Product Marketing Walt Simpson said the price/performance of the A3000 results from the effective integration of the Amiga's three custom chips with five new custom gate arrays which serve a variety of functions including bus arbitration, RAM memory handling, SCSI device handling and video enhancing. The Amiga 3000 also features a new operating system, AmigaDOS 2.0, which significantly enhances the look and functionality of the pl*Jand, as in all Amigas, true multitasking capability. The standard Amiga 3000 comes with a 40 MB hard drive and a 3.5-inch floppy disk drive and features a SCSI interface for added communication capability. Commodore also offers a 100 MB configuration. Suggested retail price is $3,299 for the 16 Mhz version, $3,999 for the 25 Mhz version and $4,499 for the 100 MB version. Shipments are expected to begin in July. Demonstration units are available at participating Authorized Commodor)3re within the business, government and higher education markets," said Commodore Vice President of Marketing C. Lloyd Mahaffey. "We've delivered an incredibly competitive hardware system featuring lower cost, higher performance and added communications capabilities." Mahaffey said key product features include a 16 or 25 Mhz, 68030 Motorola processor, a 68881 or 68882 math coprocessor, a true 32-bit architecture, 2 MB of memory standard (with an address space of over one gigabyte) (?8Catically defined multimedia as the company introduced the latest in its popular line of Amiga personal computers at a live multimedia demonstration at the Palladium. The powerful and elegant new Amiga (R) 3000 brings enhanced performance capabilities and a new AmigaDOS (TM) 2.0 operating system to the company's line of multimedia products. "The 3000 marks the first step in Commodore's new Amiga product marketing strategy and reinforces our serious bid to capture greater market sha'!> From: ken@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ken Farinsky - CATS) Date: 24 Apr 90 17:04:55 GMT Reply-To: ken@cbmvax (Ken Farinsky - CATS) Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA Lines: 119 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE EXPECTED SHIP DATE: JULY 1990 COMMODORE EXTENDS POPULAR AMIGA PRODUCT LINE; INTRODUCES TALENTED AMIGA 3000 AT "MULTIMEDIA LIVE" NEW YORK, NY -- April 24, 1990 -- Commodore Business Machines President Harold Copperman and his aggressive management team today dram&tr: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "A.N.A.R.C.H.Y." <91_BICKINGD@UNION> Subject: Verbatum C= announcements from USENET c.s.a. for A3000 and several other products To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.9 09/07/89 VAX/VMS V5.3; site venus.ycc.yale.edu Path: maine!yalevm!venus!yale!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!cbmvax!ken Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Press Release: A3000 Message-ID: <11055@cbmvax.commodore.com%V6ӣ\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3798; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:30:05 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4142; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:12:19 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 01:48:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sende$ɶ!hhine! Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett - Systems Administrator, Computer Science Department | | The Johns Hopkins University, 34th and Charles Sts., Baltimore, MD 21218 | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\#Q and the SPARC does 22000. >4 amiga expansion slots, two pc slots, a video slot, and a cpu slot.... This is really only 4 slots, each serving double-duty. Two are Amiga/PC-AT slots (you choose), one is Amiga/video (you choose), and one is Amiga/CPU (you choose). (By "X/Y" I mean "can serve as an X slot or a Y slot"). >"If Commodore can market as good as they talk, and the 3000 is all it's >cracked up to be, the other two guys are in real trouble." It looks like an AWESOME mac" 68030 + a 68882 math coprocessor. Two versions, one running at 15 MHZ, >the other running at 25 MHZ are available. "15" should be "16". >make the Amiga 3000 the fastest multitasking system available for under >$25,000.... Sounds good... but totally false. Let's not kid ourselves. A Sun SPARCstation can be bought for less than $10,000, and it is MUCH faster. Amiga 2500/30 does about 7000 Dhrystones,!ǖ& Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was barrett@CRABCAKE.CS.JHU.EDU Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dan Barrett Subject: 3000 NEWS!!! X-To: i-amiga@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas From: FARQUHAR%SNYSYRV1.BITNET@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU >Here's some news on the Amiga 9Vk/know? Have I missed some key product announcements from either Commodore-Amiga or OEMs? Thanks for tuning in, Scott Ferguson srfergu@erenj.bitnet *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3769; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:23:01 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0240; Fri, 27 Apr 90 00:56:53 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 16:58:16 -0400 Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Kaess Commodore is much more concerned with getting the multimedia stuff than high-performance musical instruments, which I can understand, but I think they could've reached both markets (high-quality sound is important in animations/presentations) I guess people with laser-disc controllers just put their sounds elsewhere, but my computer is nothing but a music resource (and something to balance my low budget), and I want my computer to become a good sound source! What do others thin7%Jeven be able to use it as a sound module on its own...but 8-bit samples sound like an AM radio compared to 12- or 16-bit sounds. I don't know if anyone out there has ever created a high-quality sampler/sound module to plug onto an Amiga, but I've never seen such a thing advertized. If anyone knows of one, please contact me. I guess memory bandwidth could easily be a limitation, but so many improvements in the video/graphics portions of the machine show that it can be done. SO, I guF Scott Ferguson Subject: new Amiga Technology To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas This new 3000 sounds pretty cool, but I noticed that one report said that 'the only chip not upgraded is the four-voice sound chip' (or something to that effect). Well, if you really want great multimedia with sound, you can't have those crunchy 8-bit sounds! I bought a 1000 a few years back for use with MIDI, and realized that someday I might !!The Troglodyte *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3757; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:21:46 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8518; Thu, 26 Apr 90 22:23:29 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 08:57:59 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From:ڭ 1) How much memory does 2.0 consume? 2) How much disk space does it eat? 3) Which chips must I buy? What happens if I don't? 4) Is my motherboard going to require surgery? 5) HOW MUCH IS THIS ALL GOING TO COST ME???? The 3000 seems to be a great machine - but so is a Mac II. I can't afford either. How much of this power is going to trickle down to the average user - and at what price? , after reading all the stuff posted lately on the A3000, I'm starting to worry about the COST of all this. As I see it, in order to run 1.4/2.0 I need: 1) The 2.0 software. 2) The new 512k 2.0 Kickstart ROMs 3) The new chipset. (Agnus, Denise, etc.) I own a 2000 with 2 drives, and a 2088 BridgeBoard. No extra memory, and I don't have the new Agnus chip. (Yet, but it is, to my understanding, availible) SO: My questions are: W-ri, 27 Apr 90 05:52:29 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 20:32:33 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dennis_Grant@CMR001 Subject: My poor little 2000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Thanks to all those who responded to my "2.0 compatability woes" posting - you've done my sanity a great favour. However"9 about 2.0 the last few days, and then to get hit with these rumours is like getting hit with a bucketful of ice-water. Unpleasant at best... -Mike Elias ps. Just reply through i-amiga. I'll see it. Thanx... *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3751; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:19:57 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2831; F+x- Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi all, I have heard from 2 different postings here and on NEWS that the AmigaDos 2.0 will not be available for the A500's because of problems with installing the new chips or somesuch in the A500's infamous design. Is this true? All of it, or just partially? I love my A500, and I couldn't afford the A3000 anyway, but this (if it's true) makes me sick to my stomach! After hearing all the wonderful reviews׶Aived: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3747; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:17:53 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3424; Fri, 27 Apr 90 06:21:54 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 23:32:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "MIKE ELIAS [MIGHTY AMIGO] SYSTEMS ANALYSIS" Subject: 2.0 and my A500 To: wther 3.5 bay. The slots are horizontal (Very small footprint.) SCSI interface, 2 Video ports (15k 31k I believe.) (There are also less slots available.) It's a good looking machine, and corporate America should embrace it's clean look. Workbench 2.0 is a SCREAM. It looks great, the icons, and the 3D look make it a cross between Mac/Next/Sun. All in all.... I WANT ONE!!!!! Carlos Camacho *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Rece3T This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: Amiga 3000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Guess what I got to toy around with today??? Yes, an Amiga 3000... serial number 67 in fact! People, I liked ALOT!!! He's a round down of what I saw. 1 3.5 drive with ano]^,/ Gene Blough. Gene Blough *:MSGHDR_7 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3743; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:17:38 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8568; Thu, 26 Apr 90 22:25:11 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 13:48:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: [GH@USMCP6> Subject: StarFlight. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi, all! Before finals, I've been trying to take it easy a little by playing StarFlight on my Amiga. However, I've run into a problem I hope someone out there can help me with. What are the exact locations of the City of the Ancients and the Most Magnificent Hexagon? I know the systems, but I can't seem to find the coordinates. I'd appreciate any help you can give. j============== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3739; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:16:06 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1121; Fri, 27 Apr 90 02:25:39 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 19:14:43 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Please Acknowledge Receipt,Delivery Rcpt Requested Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: DONALD BLOUGH For a 16bit sampler board contact, DIGITAL ANIMATION PRODUCTIONS 79 Mt. Vernon St. Boston, MA. 02108 617-720-2038 617-720-2335 and ask for Daniel Ten Ton. *:MSGHDR_6 ==================================================================N Regards Bill End of Message *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3732; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:15:29 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3441; Fri, 27 Apr 90 06:23:03 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 23:59:00 AST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comme6Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8491; Thu, 26 Apr 90 22:20:57 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 22:17:55 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "W.H. MORRISON" Subject: Thanx for fish list To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi again Amigoids, I now have the list of disks I requested earlier. Thanx to those who sent them.  3'O was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: HB136@ALBNYVMS Subject: Re: 2.0 compatability woes To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas You've been told pure bullshit. DiskMaster will not load, but every other commercial and pd/shareware package I've tried works perfectly. *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3722; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:13:06 CET  ves still appear as floating in the air? *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3712; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:10:50 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8549; Thu, 26 Apr 90 22:24:11 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 07:25:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag { bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3710; Fri, 27 Apr 90 08:10:44 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3460; Fri, 27 Apr 90 06:23:39 O Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 00:01:00 AST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: E_CORDERO@UPR1.UPR.CUN.EDU Subject: Re: Amiga 3000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Do the dri ?_till then. The new software is part of AmigaDOS 2.0, NOT "Workbench 2.0", which is just part of the new operating system. There were no clues as to if it came from disc or not. The technical chap said that AmigaDOS 2.0 had been completely re-written to use C language source - so it looks like BCPL is gone forever. Oh yeah - REXX comes as standard. Bye, Martin. *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by ԗntrol. IE it had a dedicated graphics board to handle the touch screens output & input. It ran FAST. It took 6 blokes 9 months to write - the traffic simlulation was written by a consultant in Lattice C, the majority of the rest of the system was written in M2Sprint!!!!!, with some front end done in assembler. The M2S bit was a bit unbelievable. That guy said that it wouldn't ship till June coz of Workbench 2.0, not so in my opinion, although distributors may not get hold of them '=?r something. The Sparc was slightly slower - but then it was drawing at almost twice the resolution, 1100 odd against 640 on the Amy. OTHER STUFF AT THE C= STAND: Start again: There were a couple of guys who had written an air traffic control simulator for the Civil Aviation Authority, who chose the Amiga over a Redifusion Simulators system. It runs on an A2000 with 68020, had 2 touch-screens of 1280x1xxx resolution connected to it, as well as a flicker- fixed C= monitor for the co/2number looks wierd to me too, but then there were a few typos in the whole presentation. They ran the A3000 against an Apollo 3500 and a SparcStation with colour monitor. They were drawing 9 space-shuttles and then zooming in, repeatedly. The A3000 was running X-Cad Pro, the others DAX CAD, whatever that is. Results - the A3000 was fastest, of course. The Apollo was very slow, but there was a light flashing on the front panel so perhaps they crippled its memory & forced it to page o%re from my memory, so the prices aren't so definite apart from the middle one. He didn't specifically link the clock speeds to the processor, just to the co-processor: but I suppose that the two will have the same speed. Better start saving up - these look like cool machines. The case is compact, and supposed to contain 32-bit expansion slots, which are compatible with current 16-bit data paths (whatever that means). The top-dog from Commodore-UK said Unix V5.4 is coming soon. That "'it. Later, me & HALESDAP sat in on a Distributors conference - the specs & prices for the machines go something like this. Motherboards have "Video Enhancers" (read Flicker fixers) built on. There are 3 configurations at launch (yesterday) : A3000-16-40 : 68030, 68880 @ 16MHz, 40Meg hard drive. 2599 pounds (I think). A3000-25-40 : 68030, 68880 @ 25MHz, 40Meg hard drive 2999 pounds (for sure). A3000-25-100: 68030, 68882 @ 25MHz, 100Meg drive. 3299 pounds (I think). These a FT screen is VIRTUAL. You can set it to 1000 x 1000 pixels and when you try to move the pointer off the edge of your monitor- it scrolls!!. Properly, and very fast. Really cool. Windows now have a proper iconify gadget built in, the scrollbar arrows are put next to each other. There are standard utilities supplied for auto window activate when mouse pointer is over it and for function key definitions. That's about all I could pick up about the software from watching the guy play with  nal (to Commodore I presume) 36.xx", which is a very groovy rewrite. Can set WB to run in a window. The whole thing looks very Open Look (similar to the Next), with 3d effect etc. You can now list things by name, list files by icon that don't have icons, create new folders, multiple select by dragging a rectangle around.... & loads of other goodies. Preferences is split up into modules, with new stuff like: WB background pattern, number of planes (more than 2!!). Also - the workbench m6 Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I am posting this to the list as I reckon it will be of some interest to most subscribers (hehe, understatement or WHAT!) Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPOCK::FROSTMA "Martin Frost" 25-APR-1990 15:41:17.86 To: KIRK::WILLETTSAC CC: Subj: RE: Here, get a load of this... Yeah, very nice. I saw one running today at the Which? show. It was running "Workbench Inter  (*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3645; Thu, 26 Apr 90 13:14:56 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2874; Thu, 26 Apr 90 13:13:44 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 10:23:27 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: WILLETTSAC@SPOCK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject: A3000 short review.. To: F8l address of any TransAmi writers, I would like to have it please. Edouard 1150055@LAVALVX1 13 May 90 00:48:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4027; Sun, 13 May 90 00:49:20 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 11:42:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Edouard Boily - Astrophysique <1150055@LAVALVX1> SubEϾject: What about Transactor??? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi, Did anybody hear about what happened to Amiga Transactor??? The last issue I received was Vol.3, Issue 1 (October 1989) for the magazine and Vol.2 Issue 3 for the Disk. I would like to know what happened since I paid for more than that and I really liked this mag. I wrote 2 times since January and did not get any responses. If you know the e-maiD_-r first issue. -- *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6780; Sun, 13 May 90 00:48:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4027; Sun, 13 May 90 00:49:20 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 11:42:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Edouard Boily - Astrophysique <1150055@LAVALVX1> SubCTll actually be scheduling a month off in the summer, so you'll see 11 issues of INFO a year. Why? Because even the craziest Amiga fanatics need a vacation once a year! If you would like to subscribe to INFO, our rates are $26/one year; $47.50/2 years; and $65.00/3 years. You can write to: INFO Subscriptions, 123 N. Linn St., Ste. 2A, Iowa City, IA 52245, or call us at 319-338-0703. We accept MasterCard and VISA (include expiration date). Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery of youBDmner to intermediate user, will bring readers up to speed on such topics as how Amiga graphics work, the Amiga chipset, ARexx, BASIC, and AmigaDOS. The July issue of INFO will be in our old format, and the August issue is our annual Summer Fun extraveganza, where anything goes. But the September issue will get down to business, giving you your first taste of the "new INFO." We hope you like it, and eagerly look forward to your feedback. By the way, though we say "monthly," we'A`4o NASA, you'll find intriguing stories of unique Amiga applications. INFO also continues its committment to Amiga Entertainment reviews and features, with at least a dozen full-color game reviews in each issue. And our Holiday Games issue in December will blow the doors off with expanded games coverage. Topping it all off is a INFO's new Technical Section, edited by Chris Zamara & Nick Sullivan, the former editors of the Amiga Transactor. This section, geared toward the begin@Eenthal will report on the latest Amiga PD programs on American People/Link, GEnie, and PD disk collections. And every other month, noted computer columnist Arlan Levitan will share his humorous insights into the world of Amiga computing. Of course, INFO will continue to cover the very latest in new Amiga products, and we'll share our insights into late-breaking Amiga-related news. We'll also feature at least one interesting Amiga application each issue -- from video to the arts t?jy Atkins will keep INFO readers up-to-date on those exciting topics in every issue. Every other month, John Foust will cover 3D and animation, Peggy Herrington will write about music and sound, and artist Brad Schenck will expound on the topic of Amiga graphics. INFO will also feature a monthly Bryce comic by Amiga cartoonist Greg Conley, and Shay Addams will wax profound on the topic of adventure gaming in his monthly column "Adventure Road." Harv Laser, Don Romero, and Jeff Low>B he Amiga market is expanding into a number of exciting vertical markets, including music, 3D, animation, multimedia, and video. With twice as many issues a year, and twice as many pages to devote to the Amiga, INFO will concentrate heavily on these exciting new Amiga applications. With these vertical markets in mind, INFO has signed several new columnists to cover these areas on a regular basis. New monthly columns by Amiga video expert Oran J. Sands III and multimedia maven Denn=4kEnie : INFO.MAG Bowing to overwhelming public pressure, INFO, the premier bimonthly Commodore/Amiga magazine, is (a) going monthly, and (b) going all-Amiga, beginning with the August 1990 issue. The decision to drop C64/C128 coverage was not an easy one. INFO has ben reviewing Commodore 8-bit products since its inception seven years ago. Unfortunately, there is simply no longer a viable advertiser or reader base to support a Commodore 8-bit publication. However, t<W]sgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.cbm Subject: INFO magazine NEWS Keywords: INFO,Amiga,Magazine,NEWS Message-ID: <5689@sugar.hackercorp.com> Date: 11 May 90 14:39:50 GMT Organization: Sugar Land Unix - Houston Lines: 78 INFO MAGAZINE GOES MONTHLY, ALL-AMIGA May 8, 1990 Please pass this information on to BBSs, user group newsletters, and online services. You can contact INFO via EMail at the following addresses: People/Link: INFO MAG CompuServe : 70215,1034 G;\/HDURZ1> From: News administrator To: Thierry Hingray , Marco Lessard <1100003@LAVALVX1>, Edouard Boily <1150055@LAVALVX1>, Marco Lessard <1310000@LAVALVX1> Xref: cs.umn.edu comp.sys.amiga:59755 comp.sys.amiga.tech:12221 comp.sys.cbm:510 0 Path: cs.umn.edu!uc!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!uhnix1!sugar!da vidm From: davidm@sugar.hackercorp.com (David Martin) New:n@y , Marco Lessard <1100003@LAVALVX1>, E douard Boily <1150055@LAVALVX1>, Marco Lessard <1310000@LAVALVX1> CC: Subj: Received: From DHDURZ1(MAILER) by LAVALVX1 with Jnet id 5098 for 1150055@LAVALVX1; Sat, 12 May 90 10:55 EDT Received: by DHDURZ1 (Mailer R2.03B) id 5093; Sat, 12 May 90 16:39:38 CET Date: Fri, 11 May 90 11:32:17 CDT Reply-To: Sender: "CSAMIGA COMP.SYS.AMIGA.TECH redist." Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Edouard Boily - Astrophysique <1150055@LAVALVX1> Subject: INFO MAGAZINE GOES MONTHLY To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas From: EDU%"news@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU" "News administrator" 12-MAY-1990 10:55 :28.39 To: Thierry Hingra8#trill release a 68040 version of its computer in the fourth quarter of this year both as a $1495 upgrade and as a complete computer. Does anyone know how soon an Amiga 68040 card will be released? Virtually, -- Carwil James ID:AB980@Cleveland.FreeNet.Edu // \\// Only Amiga Makes It Possible *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6778; Sun, 13 May 90 00:46:27 CE7) with BSMTP id 6774; Sun, 13 May 90 00:43:55 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3959; Sun, 13 May 90 00:44:45 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 08:18:49 -0400 Reply-To: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Carwil James Subject: 68040 NeXT X-To: i-amiga%rutvm1.BITNET@cunyvm.CUNY.Edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas NeXT, Inc. just announced that it w6f // // \\ \X/ || // // \\ //| \\ \\ __ __// //_____ \\__//|| \\____// |\\ | || // |_\\| ____________________________________// | SCUBA equipped! | 96994999%WSUVM1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.075611:14:00 CDT from $85 a meg for 100ns RAM? That's terrible! That's *twice* what I paid for 80ns 1x8 SIMMS over a month ago! You people should call Chip Merchant (I think they are listed in Computer Shopper or one of those MAC magazines). They have same-day service and I know plenty of happy customers... ____ || || // // || ||_____ // ____// // Amiga powered! || // // // 4ꡔm SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6772; Sun, 13 May 90 00:41:28 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3925; Sun, 13 May 90 00:42:18 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 23:14:48 PLT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Jeff Heller <96994999@WSUVM1> Subject: Re: Amiga 3000 RAM prices... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 11 May 90 3 Merver's response. All files will be sent as separate messages (except HELP and DIR). In the reply sent by MRCserv, your commands are preceeded by a less-than sign "<". MRCserv responses are preceeded by a greater-than sign ">". Original code written by Henry Bland - Henry@Daffy.FhHosp.AB.CA Modified and maintained by Russ Forster - RMF@Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: fro2!Z example, if you see a file with the extension .DIR (ie archivers.dir), CD to it by issuing the command CD [ARCHIVERS] (case insensitive, brackets are required). To move to the parent directory issue the command CD [-] To move to the root directory issue command CD [000000] Binary files (ZOO/ARC/LZH/EXE) will be uuencoded before being sent. Files larger then 100 blocks will be sent in multiple parts. You will be informed of the number of parts in the s1"$ - ZOO file ZUU - UUencoded ZOO file ARC - ARC file ZUU - UUencoded ARC file LZH - LHARC file LUU - UUencoded LHARC file LHW - LhWarp file DIR - VMS directory file WRP - Warp file UUE - UUencoded executable Wildcards and directory specifications are allowable with DIR and GET commands. These follow standard VMS wildcard rules. Subdirectories can be accessed via the CD command. For0#(sage if you send the command HELP. MRCserv - Mount Royal College Mail Server ----------------------------------------- Commands: DIR [-d] - list a directory (equiv. to ls -l) [directories only] LS [-d] - list a directory briefly [directories only] CD - change working directory GET - sends you one or more files HELP - sends you this help EXIT - finishes request Extensions: ZOO /$t} non-prime hours (primetime is 07:00 - 17:00). MRCserv is currenly in BETA test. If you experence any problems please send e-mail to RMF@Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA Enjoy! /Russ ----- Russell M. Forster, Systems Programmer. RMF @ Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA Mount Royal College; Computer Operations; 4825 Richard Rd. S.W. Calgary, Alberta; (403) 240-6052 ============================================================== The following is the HELP mes.%-. MRCserv is a MAIL ONLY based server. Mount Royal is not on the Internet so FTP access is not supported. Anonymous UUCP is also not supported. All commands to the server must be in the BODY of the message. The subject line is ignored. The address of the server is MRCserv@Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA Mount Royal College is in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Our time zone is MST. Please try and restrict your archive access to -&v; Sat, 12 May 90 14:13:16 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 16:27:13 MDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Russell M. Forster" Subject: Announcing MRCserv, A mailserver archive for the Amiga X-To: amiga-l%ualtavm%Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA@uncanet To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Announcing MRCserv, a mailserver based at Mount Royal College,'#7fa.tech by sending your mail to CSAMIGA@DHDURZ1 You can subscribe by sending a message like SUBS CSAMIGA at LISTSERV@DHDURZ1 Good luck, Edouard *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6748; Sat, 12 May 90 14:12:37 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1345+(t no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6669; Sat, 12 May 90 01:16:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5500; Sat, 12 May 90 01:17:20 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 17:30:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Edouard Boily - Astrophysique <1150055@LAVALVX1> Subject: RE: Posting to comp.sys.amiga.tech To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas You can post to comp.sys.amig*) or decode before transferring to my personal computer? If this is all 'common knowledge' then please reply directly to me so as not to burden the net; however, I haven't seen information about this on any of the lists I monitor and I was getting impatient. Thanks for any help. Andy Kohler ECZ5ACK@UCLAMVS (Bitnet) or ECZ5ACK@oac.ucla.edu (Internet) *:MSGHDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.)*#x{: Could someone please answer a few questions about uuencode and uudecode for me? I want to FTP some of the Fred Fish files, and I understand that they (and most other binary files) are encoded to help preserve the integrity of the data. However: 1) Where do I get the uudecode file? And is IT encoded? 2) Do I need the decoder for my Amiga only, or for the network operating system, or both? 3) Do I FTP the desired files, then download them to my Amiga, then decode, (+==================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6667; Sat, 12 May 90 01:14:58 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5462; Sat, 12 May 90 01:14:50 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 13:29:00 PDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Andy Kohler Subject: UUencode/decode To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi',(Ѳrson. I will post my final results if they are of general interest. Thanks in advance, Roy Nicholl BitNet / NetNorth: J7M7@UNB.CA or Z45560U@UNBMVS1.BITNET VNET: MKTGFRED AT MTLVM1 P.S. Please respond to me personally to one of the addresses above, as I am not a subscriber to most of the lists via which I have contacted you. I appologise to members of discussions where the topic of my append does not meet you guidlines. *:MSGHDR_12 ============================================&-t is used for ie. Data Structures, Software Engineering, Compiler Construction, etc.). I would also like for you to include the addresses of the universities, the platform (machine/operating system) on which the compiler is found, and manufacturer of the compiler whenever possible. I am working with-in a tight time frame and need this information as soon as possible (the report is due at the end of May). Please do not respond to the list directly, but rather repond to me in pe%.+? Hello, I am currently conducting a world-wide survey of universities that use Modula-2 for instruction at the undergraduate and/or graduate level. I am particularly interested in those which use Modula-2 as a first language for new Computer Science/Engineering students. I would like to call upon all of you out there to kindly send me a note listing any universities that you know of in your part of the world that are using Modula-2 as descibed above (and the types of courses i$/1?IUCVMD, C-L@UIUCVMD, CACUSS-L@UOGUELPH, COMSRV-L@YALEVM, EARN-NOG@FRMOP11, EARN-UG@IRLEARN, EDTECH@OHSTVMA, I-IBMPC@UIUCVMD, I-UNIX@TCSVM, IBM-HESC@PSUOVRVM, IBMPC-L@UTORONTO, INFO-APP@NDSUVM1, INFO-DEC@CMUCCVMA, INFO-MAC@UTORONTO, INFO-M2@UCF1VM, INFO-VAX@UBVM, JPNAD-L@JPNSUT00 X-cc: MIKE BROWN , HELTON@UNBMVS1, Z45560U@UNBMVS1 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas #0W+: Fri, 11 May 90 12:00:18 ADT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: <11MAY90.01205917.0043.MUSIC@UNB.CA> From: "Roy / " Subject: Modual-2 Survey (RE-REsend) Sorry, I am having mailer problems! X-To: ACCADDR-L@MCGILL1, EARN-INFO@FRMOP11, INFO-ATARI16@UNB.CA, INFO-IBMPC@UTORONTO, M2-L@UNB.CA, ACADV@NDSUVM1, AJCUCOMP@GUVM, ATARST-L@U"1M personally to one of the addresses above, as I am not a subscriber to most of the lists via which I have contacted you. I appologise to members of discussions where the topic of my append does not meet you guidlines. *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6665; Sat, 12 May 90 01:14:30 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5440; Sat, 12 May 90 01:14:22 O Date!25rompiler is found, and manufacturer of the compiler whenever possible. I am working with-in a tight time frame and need this information as soon as possible (the report is due at the end of May). Please do not respond to the list directly, but rather repond to me in person. I will post my final results if they are of general interest. Thanks in advance, Roy Nicholl BitNet / NetNorth: J7M7@UNB.CA or Z45560U@UNBMVS1.BITNET VNET: MKTGFRED AT MTLVM1 P.S. Please respond to me 3? a first language for new Computer Science/Engineering students. I would like to call upon all of you out there to kindly send me a note listing any universities that you know of in your part of the world that are using Modula-2 as descibed above (and the types of courses it is used for ie. Data Structures, Software Engineering, Compiler Construction, etc.). I would also like for you to include the addresses of the universities, the platform (machine/operating system) on which the c4w`HESC@PSUOVRVM, IBMPC-L@UTORONTO, INFO-APP@NDSUVM1, INFO-DEC@CMUCCVMA, INFO-MAC@UTORONTO, INFO-M2@UCF1VM, INFO-VAX@UBVM, JPNAD-L@JPNSUT00 X-cc: LAURIE@UNBMVS1, Z45560U@UNBMVS1 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello, I am currently conducting a world-wide survey of universities that use Modula-2 for instruction at the undergraduate and/or graduate level. I am particularly interested in those which use Modula-2 as5%> From: "Roy / " Subject: Modula-2 Survey (Resend) If you have already answered=>delete X-To: ACCADDR-L@MCGILL1, EARN-INFO@FRMOP11, INFO-ATARI16@UNB.CA, INFO-IBMPC@UTORONTO, M2-L@UNB.CA, ACADV@NDSUVM1, AJCUCOMP@GUVM, ATARST-L@UIUCVMD, C-L@UIUCVMD, CACUSS-L@UOGUELPH, COMSRV-L@YALEVM, EARN-NOG@FRMOP11, EARN-UG@IRLEARN, EDTECH@OHSTVMA, I-IBMPC@UIUCVMD, I-UNIX@TCSVM, IBM-6Mx6append does not meet you guidlines. *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6663; Sat, 12 May 90 01:13:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5418; Sat, 12 May 90 01:13:54 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 12:00:14 ADT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: <11MAY90.00749736.0043.MUSIC@UNB.CA7L the end of May). Please do not respond to the list directly, but rather repond to me in person. I will post my final results if they are of general interest. Thanks in advance, Roy Nicholl BitNet / NetNorth: J7M7@UNB.CA or Z45560U@UNBMVS1.BITNET VNET: MKTGFRED AT MTLVM1 P.S. Please respond to me personally to one of the addresses above, as I am not a subscriber to most of the lists via which I have contacted you. I appologise to members of discussions where the topic of my 8ˆyour part of the world that are using Modula-2 as descibed above (and the types of courses it is used for ie. Data Structures, Software Engineering, Compiler Construction, etc.). I would also like for you to include the addresses of the universities, the platform (machine/operating system) on which the compiler is found, and manufacturer of the compiler whenever possible. I am working with-in a tight time frame and need this information as soon as possible (the report is due at9cc: Z45560U@UNBMVS1 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello, I am currently conducting a world-wide survey of universities that use Modula-2 for instruction at the undergraduate and/or graduate level. I am particularly interested in those which use Modula-2 as a first language for new Computer Science/Engineering students. I would like to call upon all of you out there to kindly send me a note listing any universities that you know of in :/$NB.CA> Subject: test X-To: EARN-INFO@FRMOP11, INFO-ATARI16@UNB.CA, INFO-IBMPC@UTORONTO, M2-L@UNB.CA, C-L@UIUCVMD, CACUSS-L@UOGUELPH, COMSRV-L@YALEVM, EARN-NOG@FRMOP11, EARN-UG@IRLEARN, EDTECH@OHSTVMA, HELTON@UNBMVS1, I-IBMPC@UIUCVMD, I-UNIX@TCSVM, IBM-HESC@PSUOVRVM, IBMPC-L@UTORONTO, INFO-APP@NDSUVM1, INFO-DEC@CMUCCVMA, INFO-MAC@UTORONTO, INFO-M2@UCF1VM, INFO-VAX@UBVM, JPNAD-L@JPNSUT00 X-;{ _9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6661; Sat, 12 May 90 01:12:51 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5394; Sat, 12 May 90 01:13:23 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 12:00:16 ADT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: <11MAY90.00919984.0043.MUSIC@UNB.CA> From: "Roy / " I used to be able to send messages to amiga-relay@louie.udel.edu >but that doesn't seem to work anymore. >Thanks in advance.. try sending mail to ... comp-sys-amiga@ucbvax.berkeley.edu this works for any newsgroup. just replace the "."'s with "-"'s. /Russ ----- Russell M. Forster, Systems Programmer. RMF @ Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA Mount Royal College; Computer Operations; 4825 Richard Rd. S.W. Calgary, Alberta; (403) 240-6052 *:MSGHDR=??U bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6659; Sat, 12 May 90 01:09:44 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5311; Sat, 12 May 90 01:10:33 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 12:32:14 MDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Russell M. Forster" Subject: RE: Posting to comp.sys.amiga To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >Does anybody know how to post to comp.s>ٺ /// \___________________________ University of Kansas /// /| __ _ Bix: markgood \\\ /// /__| |\/| | | _ /_\ makes it Bitnet: MARKV@UKANVAX \/\/ / | | | | |__| / \ possible... Internet: markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by?-150ns) DRAMs for about $3 a piece which works out to about $96 p/megs RAM plus about $162 p/meg for the board to put them on. That came to a total of about $260 p/meg to expand my RAM then, and that wasn't nearly the performance of the 3000 RAM. > Dale hollenbaugh > hollenbaugh@garnet.bucknell.edu -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Gooderum Only... \ Good Cheer !!! Academic Computing Services @3it pricy, but still in the ballpark. I wouldn't get too worked up. To me this is *good* news. I mean it wasn't too long ago that memory prices were up to $300-$400 p/meg or more (and w/slower DRAMs than 100ns). I don't know about you, but less than $100 a meg is enough to keep me happy.... And being able to have 4 or 16 megs (+2 chip) on the motherboard is pretty nice... I can still remember when my Starboard II was $325 for 2 megs of unpopulated space and I bought 64 256k*1 (ATnd one place that had 256k x 4 ZIPs in stock. > > Here's the prices (approx.): > > 256K x 4 ZIPs (100 ns) $10.50 each ($85 a meg) $340 for full 4 megs. $85 a meg? Thats *excellent* !!! 1 meg SOJ (surface mount, like Macs and some Amiga boards use) SIMMS are still $90 to $100 per meg for 100ns parts. > 1meg x 4 ZIPs(??? ns) $68 each ($550 for 4 megs, which is smallest increment) > It would cost about $2200 for a full 16 meg of RAM!!!!!!!!! Yeah, but $550/4 is $137.50 a meg. A bBWwINHUTC> From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Re: Amiga 3000 RAM prices... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > A couple of days ago, I was calling places advertised in the computer > shopper for prices of RAM chips for the Amiga 3000 (just curious). > There were only a few places that even sold ZIPs, and even fewer that sold > the correct ones. And NOBODY sold 1meg x 4 ZIPS (to get 16 megs). > > I only fouC`q (613) 992-2832 588 Booth St., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 0E4 FAX: (613) 996-2953 *:MSGHDR_7 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6657; Sat, 12 May 90 01:07:42 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5275; Sat, 12 May 90 01:08:27 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 11:14:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Does anybody know how to post to comp.sys.amiga? I used to be able to send messages to amiga-relay@louie.udel.edu but that doesn't seem to work anymore. Thanks in advance.. ________________________ Bob Fillmore, Systems Software & Communications BITNET: FILLMORE@EMRCAN Computer Services Centre, BIX: bfillmore Energy, Mines, & Resources Canada Voice:EL7advance bye Karsten *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6655; Sat, 12 May 90 01:06:05 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5203; Sat, 12 May 90 01:06:56 O Date: Fri, 11 May 90 13:08:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Bob Fillmore Subject: Posting FePostscript ...... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas From: Karsten Klemm Hi all I have some Postscript Files but not a PostScript Printer :-) I want to print these files with my 24 pin EPSON Printer. Is there some programs available to print this files ? I knew about PixelScript but i want look for PD or Shareware, because it's cheaper . They only one that the progr. must do is print PostScript Files on my EPSON Printer ||||| Thanx in  GVm rum MARKV@UKANVAX markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6649; Sat, 12 May 90 00:59:15 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4973; Sat, 12 May 90 01:00:01 O Date: Sat, 12 May 90 00:55:54 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: OMER@DHVMHH1 Subject:  H"|miga List From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Req.library To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas After hearing about Req.library and its services I finally got a hold of it (downloading Reqlib.lzh from I don't even remember where) but there is a slliigghhtt problem. The archive only has the .library, no docs, glue routines, include files, etc, so where can I get this information? -Mark Gooode I]|jsage is unledgible, the VMS editor seems to be acting up again. Dale hollenbaugh hollenbaugh@garnet.bucknell.edu *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6455; Fri, 11 May 90 05:34:13 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3497; Fri, 11 May 90 05:34:53 O Date: Thu, 10 May 90 16:35:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-A JP.ZWe Amiga 3000 (just curious). There were only a few places that even sold ZIPs, and even fewer that sold the correct ones. And NOBODY sold 1meg x 4 ZIPS (to get 16 megs). I only found one place that had 256k x 4 ZIPs in stock. Here's the prices (approx.): 256K x 4 ZIPs (100 ns) $10.50 each ($85 a meg) $340 for full 4 megs. 1meg x 4 ZIPs (??? ns) $68 each ($550 for 4 megs, which is smallest increment) It would cost about $2200 for a full 16 meg of RAM!!!!!!!!! Sorry if this mesK2S, 11 May 90 05:29:44 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3462; Fri, 11 May 90 05:30:14 O Date: Thu, 10 May 90 16:29:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: HOLLENBGH@BKNLVMS Subject: Amiga 3000 RAM prices... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello, A couple of days ago, I was calling places advertised in the computer shopper for prices of RAM chips for thLRsk something like this: :c/MuchMore :c/Less You can change all the icons that have a specific tool type by editing this file. For instance, you might change the above to: :c/MuchMore = c:MuchMore :c/Less = c:Less Then when you run FixIcons again, it will make the appropriate changes. Very handy. :) - Mike *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6453; FriMA@FINHUTC> From: Mike Hocter Subject: Re: Setting up To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 8 May 90 15:09:40 BST For changing the default tool of many icons at once, try FixIcons (it's on a Fish Disk, but I don't remember which one). It reads the default tools in the specified directory (and subdirectories unless you tell it otherwise) and writes them to a file. The entries looNp2560/2085 3/12/24 bps ========================================================================== *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6451; Fri, 11 May 90 05:29:04 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3442; Fri, 11 May 90 05:29:41 O Date: Thu, 10 May 90 12:19:10 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List these programs. >In a similar vein can anyone direct me to information on how these '.info' >files work. >Also does anyone have the info on any Fred Fish disk from 340 onwards? > >Thanks for any help >Steve C. Assuming the error messages are as you show, the icons are set up to look for the Xicon and MuchMore programs in the c directory in the root of the disk the are sitting on (ie disk:c) not in the c: directory. 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TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR TBR 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TBR TBR ~ (08@HPX`hpxD\b`@pp (08@HPX`hpx (08@HPX`hpx .Zb(08@HPX`hpx (08@HPX`hpx (08@HPX`hpxyR<<<<<|f<<<<<>;;;;`00||`3~~08888880`@pp (08@HPX`hpx (08@HPX`hpx cU`|08<8f<>0B<<f8??~~|xxxxf6fff`~~~~ffffffkfffffffl|ff`` ` ~>>|<`l;;;;;;w<<<<] $`f$f$$$$`<`h00 <  l 0~ l`ffffff|f<l<v0 ~~|~` 8f<0 0lf p3flx<f~`t8??ffo````ffffffffclfffff|ffffff~gfffffff00 <0000  <<00 ~xi}}pNu   C nnll8 0|||8|| 0<|||~|||~<<<80pr~ B~~<~888888<|`0f0 fq0 q=0 |0 q3<0 f0 f`q0 qf0 f flfx<`f8f0` 8f03f>6.>.?/?/.789 wTN * MSGHDR_17 MENU Xicon/Muchmore 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU Help_on_Caligari_and_other_Raytracers!! 1 N * MSGHDR_19 ENDDATA rMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/9DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU Re:_Renewal_of_your_subscription 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Subscription_Renewals 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU comp.sys.amiga.* 1 N * MŗsSGHDR_3 MENU Connection_Problems 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU Re:_DECWindows 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU Hello_from_Singapore! 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU New_AMax 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU Re:_DECWindows 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU IBM_KEYBOARD 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU IBM_3270 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU Listserv 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU SOOORRRRYYYYYYY!!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU Setting_up 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU Re:__comp.sys.amiga.* 1 N * MSGHDR_14 MENU CSAMIGA 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU Troubles_with_FTP 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU RE:_Setting_up 1 @t window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/9DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU Re:_Renewal_of_your_subscription 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Subscription_Renewals 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU comp.sys.amiga.* 1 N * MSMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#9 ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum texsSGHDR_14 MENU RE:_Hard_Drive_Controllers?? 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU RE:_hard_drives_and_hard_drive_contr 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU French_&_Spanish_NARRATOR.DEVICE 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU Re:_French_&_Spanish_NARRATOR.DEVICE 1 N * MSGHDR_18 ENDDATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU RE:_Subscriptions_to_list_I-Amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Amiga_video_system 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Fishlist_revisited... 1 N dLP* MSGHDR_3 MENU ECS_for_Amiga_1000 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU Problem_with_FTing 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU ELITE_CHEAT!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU 16-bit_Sampler_for_Amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU Re:_ECS_for_Amiga_1000 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU Re:_Problem_with_FTing 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU C-Itoh_8510_Printer_driver_wanted 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU RE:_ECS_for_Amiga_1000 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU RE:_DECWindows_(and_DECNet) 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU Mindless_game_information_(Flame) 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU UUDecode/UUEncode 1 N * Mk4çt window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/CDONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU RE:_Subscriptions_to_list_I-Amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Amiga_video_system 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Fishlist_revisited... 1 N 򐪮SMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#C ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum texerver_archive 1 N * MSGHDR_14 MENU Re:_Amiga_3000_RAM_prices... 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU 68040_NeXT 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU INFO_MAGAZINE_GOES_MONTHLY 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU What_about_Transactor??? 1 N * MSGHDR_18 ENDDATA ident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU Re:_Setting_up 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Re:_Setting_up 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Amiga_3000_RAM_prices... 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU Req.?library 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU Postscript_...... 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU Posting_to_comp.sys.amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU Re:_Amiga_3000_RAM_prices... 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU RE:_Posting_to_comp.sys.amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU test 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU Modula-2_Survey_(Resend)_If_you_have_already 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU Modual-2_Survey_(RE-REsend)_Sorry,_I_am_havi 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU UUencode/decode 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU RE:_Posting_to_comp.sys.amiga.tech 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU Announcing_MRCserv,_A_mails7t window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/ADONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU Re:_Setting_up 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Re:_Setting_up 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Amiga_3000_RAM_prices... 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU Req.SMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#A ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum textU Re:_MultiSync_Monitors_(don't_buy_a_Diamond) 1 N * MSGHDR_23 MENU RE:_We're_(almost)_free 1 N * MSGHDR_24 ENDDATA uperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/1DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU re:_commodire_(sic)_stock 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Julia_Sets_and_IMandelVroom 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU kickstart_roms 1 N * MSGHѲ^ht_as_well_hang_up_our_gloves 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU Re:__C't_harddisk.device_driver_for_68030? 1 N * MSGHDR_14 MENU Re:_Processor_upgrades. 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU Re:_kickstart_roms 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU What_are_the_addresses_for.... 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU RE:_kickstart_roms 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU Latest_set_of_Fish_disks_announced_(341-350) 1 N * MSGHDR_19 MENU IBM_3270_Emulator 1 N * MSGHDR_20 MENU Removing_SendIO()_messages 1 N * MSGHDR_21 MENU RE:_We're_(almost)_free 1 N * MSGHDR_22 MENo[,DR_3 MENU Rubbish_Messages 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU KickstartROM_for_A1000 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU We_might_as_well_hang_up_our_gloves_fellas.. 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU Small_SetColor_program_with_ICONIFY.. 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU C't_harddisk.device_driver_for_68030? 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU Re:_We_might_as_well_hang_up_our_gloves 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU Processor_upgrades. 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU Re:_We_might_as_well_hang_up_our_gloves 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU Re:_Processor_upgrades. 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU Re:_We_migM-7t window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/1DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU re:_commodire_(sic)_stock 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Julia_Sets_and_IMandelVroom 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU kickstart_roms 1 N * MSGHSMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#1 ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum texVZ>AMIGA 1 N * MSGHDR_14 MENU Subscriptions_to_list_I-Amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU re:_AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU Ascii_fishlist_1-350_now_available 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU SCSI_HD's 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU RE:_Subscriptions_to_list_I-Amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_19 MENU HAM_pictures 1 N * MSGHDR_20 MENU More_AHHHHHHHHH!!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_21 ENDDATA =============== 2 B * MENU Re:_UUencode/decode 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Re:_printing_Postscript_on_EPSON_printer 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU RE:_Amiga_3000_RAMIS{_prices... 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU The_end_of_FINTUVM,_where_next? 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU KCS->DMCS_? 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU Fishlist_Again... 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU Expiration_of_your_subscription 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU Hard_Drive_Controllers?? 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU RE:_Posting_to_comp.sys.amiga.tech 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU Re:_68040_NeXT 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU RZ/SZ_for_VMS 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU Mouse_problems._Help!! 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU Your_subscription_to_list_I-xʪt window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/BDONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU Re:_UUencode/decode 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Re:_printing_Postscript_on_EPSON_printer 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU RE:_Amiga_3000_RAMSMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#B ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum texےxR_14 MENU Re:_BYTE_has_the_3000_on_the_cover! 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU Boot_ROM_Docs 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU Re:_BYTE_has_the_3000_on_the_cover! 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU search_for_ka 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU My_ICONIFY_program.. 1 N * MSGHDR_19 MENU Z_compression 1 N * MSGHDR_20 MENU Hambench_anyone? 1 N * MSGHDR_21 MENU Bloodwych 1 N * MSGHDR_22 MENU HELP_wanted_with_program_'compress' 1 N * MSGHDR_23 ENDDATA MultiSync_Monitors_and_Amiga_Sales 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Commodore_contacts! 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU Re:_DGplot 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU re:Might_as_well... 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU 2_QUESTIONS 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU Fred_Fish_disk_331-340? 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU Fred_Fish_disk_331-340? 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU Re:__2_QUESTIONS 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU Re:__2_QUESTIONS 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU BYTE_has_the_3000_on_the_cover! 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU Re:_BYTE_has_the_3000_on_the_cover! 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU Re:_BYTE_has_the_3000_on_the_cover! 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU bridgeboards,_trapdoors_and_the_like 1 N * MSGHD|>t window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/2DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU DGplot 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Re:_MultiSync_Monitors_and_Amiga_Sales 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Commodore_contacts! 1 N * MSGHDR_SMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#2 ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum tex#T{nformations 1 N * MSGHDR_4 ENDDATA LWAYS be first line Title: Read_Me_First!! ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum texqt window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/TechTalk4 ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_topic 2 BC * TITLE =================== 2 BC * MENU What_is_I-Amiga_???? 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU How_to_use_SuperMenu? 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Call_the_Crusaders_BBS 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU Other_idSMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: Read_Me_First!! ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum tex%the_cover! 1 N * MSGHDR_14 MENU Lattice_cback.o_question_(repost) 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU A3000_(really) 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU Re:_Lattice_cback.o_question_(repost) 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU Re:_ff313_.._ff314 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU Hard_disk_optimisers 1 N * MSGHDR_19 MENU Re:_2.0_compatability_woes 1 N * MSGHDR_20 MENU Re:_2.0_compatability_woes 1 N * MSGHDR_21 MENU Re:_MC68881_Board 1 N * MSGHDR_22 MENU RE:_2.0_compatability_woes 1 N * MSGHDR_23 MENU Re:_Sign_me_up. 1 N * MSGHDR_24 ENDDATA ,1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU Neugier 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU ff313_.._ff314 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU Re:_Bloodwych 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU 2.0_compatability_woes 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU using_the_serial_device 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU Commodore_Discounts_on_A1010 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU Problems_with_CodePRode_/_Lattice_C_5.xx 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU Of_HD_optimizers/utilities 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU Re:_HELP_wanted_with_program_'compress' 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU Amiga_mainstream! 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU Re:_BYTE_has_the_3000_on_ t window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/3DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU MC68881_Board 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU Re:__HELP_wanted_with_program_'compress' 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Debugging_Latice_C_5.xx  SMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#3 ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum tex>tHGHDR_17 MENU RE:_3270_IBM_emulator 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU re:_For_Mike_on_A500_woes... 1 N * MSGHDR_19 MENU Specs_for_ECS 1 N * MSGHDR_20 MENU A3000_flickerFixer 1 N * MSGHDR_21 MENU AMIX_-_It_does_exist 1 N * MSGHDR_22 MENU Stupid_mistake.... 1 N * MSGHDR_23 MENU Complete_fish_list_at_blekul11 1 N * MSGHDR_24 ENDDATA B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU IBM_3270_emulator. 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU A3000_and_WB2.0 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU For_Mike_on_A500_woes... 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU [ml The_A1500 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU 1.4_&_2.0:__Is_there_a_differen 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU Re:_3000_NEWS!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU 2.0,_a500,_a1000,_etc. 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU Moan...Moan...Moan 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU Re:_Amiga_Monitor????? 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU AFTTERM 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU Re:_Amiga_Monitor????? 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU 3270_IBM_emiulator 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU AMIX 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU GIF's 1 N * MSGHDR_14 MENU AMIX 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU Re:__AMIX 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU Sign_me_up. 1 N * MS ľjt window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/6DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU IBM_3270_emulator. 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU A3000_and_WB2.0 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU For_Mike_on_A500_woes... 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU~SMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#6 ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum texЃDN * MSGHDR_14 MENU SCSI_Interface 1 N * MSGHDR_15 MENU SCSI_Interface 1 N * MSGHDR_16 MENU 1.76_Meg_3.5"_floppy_disk_drive_announced 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU A3000_in_public! 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU Amiga_bridgeboard_card_and_VGA_card 1 N * MSGHDR_19 MENU A3000_shipping_date 1 N * MSGHDR_20 MENU 3000_NEWS!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_21 MENU More_3000_News! 1 N * MSGHDR_22 MENU Re:_SCSI_Interface 1 N * MSGHDR_23 MENU Questions_about_the_A2000 1 N * MSGHDR_24 ENDDATA isk_drives 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU Re:_BY=TE_has_the_3000_on_the_cover! 1 N * MSGHDR_4 MENU Bad_zoo_archive? 1 N * MSGHDR_5 MENU How_much_memory_is_needed... 1 N * MSGHDR_6 MENU WHAT!!!!!__September!!!!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_7 MENU NorthC 1 N * MSGHDR_8 MENU RE:_WHAT!!!!!__September!!!!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_9 MENU Re:_WHAT!!!!!__September!!!!!! 1 N * MSGHDR_10 MENU Re:_How_much_memory_is_needed... 1 N * MSGHDR_11 MENU Re:_2.0_compatability_woes 1 N * MSGHDR_12 MENU Fish_Disks_341_onwards 1 N * MSGHDR_13 MENU Re:_2.0_compatability_woes 1 {ȼt window size Status: ON ; status info in text window title bars Resident: OFF ; make SuperMenu resident (invoked with HELP) File: CTT4:MessageBase/4DONE ; name of text file to make resident DATA ; start DATA section (required!) TITLE Please_choose_message_to_read 2 B * TITLE ============================= 2 B * MENU Who's_the_A3000_for_???? 1 N * MSGHDR_1 MENU More_on_FINTUVM 1 N * MSGHDR_2 MENU Disk_drives 1 N * MSGHDR_3 MENU Re:_BY{SMCF1 ; must ALWAYS be first line Title: I-Amiga_Menu_#4 ; out menu-window title Columns: 1 ; maximum number of horizontal menu columns Rows: 67 ; maximum number of vertical menu rows VSpacing: 0 ; no extra spacing between vertical rows HSpacing: 16 ; 16 pixels between horizontal columns Reopen: ON ; reopen non-closed windows when re-invoked Winsize: 640 400 ; maximum tex * MSGHDR_16 MENU For_Sale:_Amiga_Software 1 N * MSGHDR_17 MENU Comp.sys.amiga??? 1 N * MSGHDR_18 MENU amiga_floppies 1 N * MSGHDR_19 MENU IMPORTANT:_about_tapserv_fish_list 1 N * MSGHDR_20 MENU Comp.sys.amiga 1 N * MSGHDR_21 MENU Re:_MultiSync_Monitors_(don't_buy_a_Diamond) 1 N * MSGHDR_22 MENU BCF_-_a_freeware_Fortran_77_compiler 1 N * MSGHDR_23 MENU A3000_Student_Discount 1 N * MSGHDR_24 MENU Ghostscript?? 1 N * MSGHDR_25 ENDDATA _2 MENU Trip_Field_to_the_World_of_Amiga_--_Great!  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To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Can anybody tell me where I can ftp this from? Thanks ******************************************************HY number or address. Please send replies to: MDBACK@Miavx0.Bitnet Miavx2.Bitnet Miavx9.Bitnet Thanx, -Mike Elias *:MSGHDR_25 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4967; Fri, 04 May 90 01:49:30 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2746; GQ+- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "MIKE ELIAS [MIGHTY AMIGO] SYSTEMS ANALYSIS" Subject: A3000 Student Discount To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello all, I am posting for a friend who is interested in buying a computer, and is interested in hearing about the student discounts. Please send infor- mation on prices and how to buy through the discount plan. Who does she write or call and at whatF-pnto English and distribute that together with bcf77.uue. *:MSGHDR_24 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4965; Fri, 04 May 90 01:49:03 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2729; Fri, 04 May 90 01:49:10 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 12:36:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -E mous ftp: ftp 129.69.1.12 (There is a very slow link between us and USA user anonymous ident so the best time is in the evening) cd soft/amiga/languages/fortran get bcf77.uue quit If you don't have direct ftp access, try BITFTP. Greetings Martin Hohl P.S.: There is (yet) a little problem: The Readme-File "lies.txt" is written in German language. I will contact the author in the next days and ask him whether I may translate it iD"T Fri, 04 May 90 01:48:12 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2710; Fri, 04 May 90 01:48:48 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 15:29:09 MEZ Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Martin Hohl Subject: BCF - a freeware Fortran 77 compiler for the amiga To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Today I have uploaded BCF to our local software server. You can get it via anonyC 3NHUTC> Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Q Subject: Re: MultiSync Monitors (don't buy a Diamond Scan) X-To: I-AMIGA%RUTVM1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas signoff i-amiga *:MSGHDR_23 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4963;B_ Thanks, Peter Vlietstra CMP8163@sys.uea.ac.uk University of East Anglia Norwich England. *:MSGHDR_22 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4848; Thu, 03 May 90 13:04:49 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4401; Thu, 03 May 90 13:04:19 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 12:52:00 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "P.N.J. Vlietstra" Subject: Comp.sys.amiga To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Does anybody know how to send mail to comp.sys.amiga ? This newsgroup has been disabled at my site, so I can't read it (or send to it) using vnews or other news-reader programs. I can't remember the EMail address....@V msg. but next time please address your commands to the server. Ives Aerts GUTEST9 at BLEKUL11.BITNET *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4842; Thu, 03 May 90 11:56:52 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3729; Thu, 03 May 90 11:48:12 O Date: Thu?QX:nfo-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Ives Aerts Subject: IMPORTANT: about tapserv fish list To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Ok, I confess. I goofed. Please do *NOT* send the command 'get amiga/fish/fishlist1-350.zoo' to GUTEST9 at BLEKUL11.BITNET (that's me) but send it to TAPSERV at BLEKUL11.BITNET (the server). I'll try to deliver the files to the ppl. who've send me a>\Geitnet) ps. check out the mars bbs. it is at 130.18.64.3 we have a steadily growing amount of software on board. mars is also open to anonmymous ftp, by the way. *:MSGHDR_20 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4833; Thu, 03 May 90 10:51:04 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3291; Thu, 03 May 90 10:51:03 O Date: Thu, 3 May 90 10:30:46 +0200 Reply-To: I=?MIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Amanda C. Lee" Subject: amiga floppies To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas first, let me thank all of the folks who told me about kickstart roms. now... why are amiga drives so slow. I have had an amiga ever since the 1000 came out, and I thought there would be an improvement eventually. the thing is, I don't think they are that bad, except for directory listings and such. any ideas? jeff (alee@msstate.b<:x******************************** *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4791; Thu, 03 May 90 07:45:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0664; Thu, 03 May 90 07:38:50 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 23:42:29 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-A;™Abe to so that I get comp.sys.amiga sent to me as mail? I'm currently doing this with comp.sys.amiga.tech, but we only get a half baked comp.sys.amiga feed here too. ********************************************************** * Tom Hayko * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore /// * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * **************************:p5y 90 04:52:07 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9551; Thu, 03 May 90 04:52:47 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 22:17:01 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: Comp.sys.amiga??? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Does anybody know which list I should subscri9'f Kansas /// /| __ _ Bix: markgood \\\ /// /__| |\/| | | _ /_\ makes it Bitnet: MARKV@UKANVAX \/\/ / | | | | |__| / \ possible... Internet: markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4785; Thu, 03 Ma89`;> capabilities and a good user interface (I love it, but I spent the $300 to get Superbase Professional so I dont need it anymore.). Prices include shipping in Continental US. Payment accepted in US funds, personal checks are okay. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Gooderum Only... \ Good Cheer !!! Academic Computing Services /// \___________________________ University o7Geling mode (good for previewing before you run a many hour trace). The SV upgrade is $30 after you buy 3.0, so figure that in your comparisons. Programmers Handbook Vols I and II $20 ea, $35 for both, or b.o. These are the books by Eugene Mortimore. Vol I covers Library calls and system structures, Vol II covers devices and device I/O. Superbase Personal $ 45.00 / b.o. A good semi-relational database with graphic64ۆKV@UKANVAX> Subject: For Sale: Amiga Software To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Well, believe it or not, I have more stuff for sale (not a lot this time): Turbo Silver SV $ 110.00 / b.o. The best Amiga ray-tracing program out there. SV is an upgrade from 3.0 that features new texture features, minor other changes, significantly faster rendering speeds, and much better quality rendering in Solid mod5'========================================================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4763; Thu, 03 May 90 00:58:21 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7797; Thu, 03 May 90 00:58:47 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 12:38:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" I have received a lot of request for a look at my impressions of workbench 2.0. I have tried to send it to most who mailed me, but my gateway is so unreliable and I keep getting returns, so I am posting this in uuecoded zoo format. It's 39 blocks, or roughly 20K. For those reading over modems, you may want to skip it, although it's not too long. Andy *:MSGHDR_17 =======================3x is the general view... --Chez-- *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4759; Thu, 03 May 90 00:14:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7183; Thu, 03 May 90 00:13:32 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 13:00:06 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: WILLETTSAC@KIRK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subjec25Zs 200 lines not 256 lines down it, does the extra DMA time slow the processor down... This may all sound very confusing, and your right, it is, as i am very confused by it, but i am wondering about this... I have been involved with a bit of software designed specifically for a PAL amiga, and when run of the NTSC machine, the sound is faster - I am not sure about the samples, but the time is increased as it is getting triggered at 60 not 50 hz.. MAkes sort of sense... Anyway, what1+r the NTSC Amiga is running faster. b) Any sound samples played normally on a PAL MAchine will come out at a faster rate on the NTSC machine, and so will sound wrong.. c) The disk drive on the NTSC machine will load faster, as the DMA's are faster. Does this imply the drive on a NTSC Amiga spins at a faster rate than on a PAL amiga ??? d) Does the processor end up with more or less free time due to the faster processor clock ( pressuming it has one) ?? As an NTSC screen ha0ycchine. The NTSC processor clock i suppose must run at a faster rate, as it is a multiple of the colour clock, and that has speeded up on the NTSC machine. Now, so the DMA's to display the screen data are running faster, to get the info for a screen line (same as a PAL amiga) onto the screen at the faster refresh rate, so the dma's for, say the disk drive are running faster, as they are inter-leaved with the display DMA's (and sound DMA's). So does this mean: a) The main processor on/Jject: NTSC vs PAL To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Ok, so this is it !!!! I have at the moment, both a NTSC and a PAL amiga. The NTSC is running off of a converted power supply , and is driving through a NTSC monitor.. The PAL is running off a PAL monitor, and the graphix quality is good on the PAL, and lousy on the NTSC, and this lead me to wnder, what is going on here ??? Ok, so the NTSC machine updates it's screen at 60hz vs 50hz on the PAL ma.`: BRICKMPD@SNYCENVM.BITNET *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4721; Wed, 02 May 90 22:16:06 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5712; Wed, 02 May 90 22:16:28 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 19:32:21 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: CS1 Student Sub-R)me kind of wish I could get Amy in to this place. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to Real Soon Now: IBIWISI (I'll Believe It When I See It) ......................................................................... There is nothing more useless than Dung (Deng) Xiaoping The "Peoples Republic" is neither. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Brickman Latham, New York, USA Bitnet,=+os takes up 2 megabytes just by itself. The "workbench" is not quite as friendly or flexible as our favorite workbench. It makes me wish that 123/G and a better WP would come out for the Amiga, and then the Amiga would have what I would call "The REAL OS/2". Software instalation (at least for communications manager and Lotus 123 V3) is not as hasy as it is for the Amiga. So far I have a couple of comments for "os/2": #(*&(#$*%&()(*&@#$_+_!%&)#@%()*#$%+_%)(%$+$%^$#_+$+_# Makes +`tnder: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: PETER BRICKMAN Subject: I#M OS/2 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Our organization is deeply entrenched in the I#M world. I just received a 386SX with 4 meg and 'os/2' extended version 1.1. I cannot get any communications to work yet. MS/DOS communications don't work in their "compatibility box". The *w/ can I find public domain games for the Amiga, and utilities too! :-) -Alejandro ps: Adventure/nice graphics games would be great *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4719; Wed, 02 May 90 22:15:05 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5652; Wed, 02 May 90 22:15:30 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 12:00:06 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Se).(Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4717; Wed, 02 May 90 22:14:35 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5634; Wed, 02 May 90 22:15:12 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 10:21:22 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Alejandro J. Kurczyn S." <499229@VMTECMEX> Subject: PD Games? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Where(+9iscount and he said yes, (In fact he said you should get the news in 2 to 3 weeks.) A friend of mine who was at an Amiga dealer was told that Dicount price would be 1/2 off List price. BTW... All of us being Amiga users ., we are aware of the disounts... if CBM gonna advertise it so other non-Amiga students will become aware of them??? Carlos Camacho *:MSGHDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no ('iHGA@FINHUTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: This is gatewayed mail. Warning: Mail may not necessarily be returnable through this path. Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: General Delivery Subject: A3000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I asked a CBM employee at The World of the Amiga show, if the A3000 would be included in CBM's Student d&P|do Kermit with a number of VAXen on the same LAN as the IBM, and if I remember well I use MNP with them. Good luck | Richard End of Message *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4715; Wed, 02 May 90 22:14:12 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5614; Wed, 02 May 90 22:14:53 O Date: Tue, 1 May 90 15:22:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Dear Jeff, I also had problems with Kermit links to a VM/CMS mainframe (I was transfering Amiga s/w, but via a different machine which I have connected to the modem). My problems were resolved when I stopped using MNP error correction on the modem. It seems our system here didn't like MNP, but whether that was due to the IBM mainframe or something else in the link I'm not sure. I also $nJ=ea@funic.funet.fi> *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4673; Wed, 02 May 90 16:37:05 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1990; Wed, 02 May 90 16:37:45 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 15:29:24 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Richard Francis ORM (4460)" Subjec#UNET.FI so far. BITNET name is to be defined... Anyhow it will be close cut on time, but I SHOULD get alternate system running by June. (And what is more important, its name should get into June tables of BITNET/EARN routing information.) > Can anyone help?? I do not have FTP access. I will notify you well in advance - trust me. Now I will continue that software developement to get it done. > Gary /Matti Aarnio OH1MQK ; from "BRITTAING@SPOCK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK" at May 1, 90 8:42 am > As FINTUVM is about to die at the end of June, where/how can we access the > LISTSERV after that date? You won't access LISTSERV - propably. We may hold a 'trump' on getting service running at FINHUTC, but more propably there will be other machine in yet unnamed network node. (Sun4/330 running something else than UREP for its BITNET software.) Machine is known as FUNIC.F!H=============================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4611; Wed, 02 May 90 10:25:16 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8225; Wed, 02 May 90 10:25:03 O Date: Wed, 2 May 90 07:44:46 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: The demise of FINTUVM To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To:  ՇTue, 1 May 90 08:42:28 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: BRITTAING@SPOCK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject: The demise of FINTUVM To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas As FINTUVM is about to die at the end of June, where/how can we access the LISTSERV after that date? Can anyone help?? I do not have FTP access. Gary *:MSGHDR_10 =================================================0ktplace the motherboard which took TWO months (bravo! C=). The replacement was done under warranty at least. Now I have a Rev6.2 and everything is fine! Edouard *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4433; Tue, 01 May 90 09:46:45 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6203; Tue, 01 May 90 09:47:18 O Date: 5UTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Edouard Boily - Astrophysique <1150055@LAVALVX1> Subject: RE: B2000 Revsion 6 Motherboard?? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I had encountered a problem with this motherboard. The problem that I had was a bad timing between the motherboard and my memory expansion Microbotics 8UP!. I had to re* ---- Sanity: The ability to judge another to be insane - SCK 1990 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4407; Tue, 01 May 90 04:45:21 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4196; Tue, 01 May 90 04:46:05 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 20:05:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: SCK@YKTVMV Subject: re: Trip Field To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas From another perspective: I went to the World of Amiga Thursd/Qause mexico is just beggining at this, need desprete help in getting a configurable ftterm type prog. or the author of aftterm for me to send him a sum of money which i think is defenetly fair, and get the program so i can see how to program my keyboard to my mainframes need. MARVIN please answer . . . . thanks in advance *:MSGHDR_7 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 437}] Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Marvin Nahmias Subject: IBM 3270 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Need to configure the pd program called AFTTERM because the CTRL C option returns me a not defined key, i need to configure it as a HOME key, any ideas guys ?? down here they are just testing bec#lp. How can i configurate AFTTERM's keys (its on ff170), so i can change the CTRL C (CLEAR) convention. is the author there ??? or any other ibm 3270 emulator ??? ME. MARV *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4368; Tue, 01 May 90 00:30:25 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2061; Tue, 01 May 90 00:31:12 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:44:50 MEX Reply-To: n2.05) with BSMTP id 4364; Mon, 30 Apr 90 23:24:03 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1604; Mon, 30 Apr 90 23:24:47 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 10:10:36 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: EM435302@VMTECMEX Subject: IBM Emulator Again! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi guys, its me again, need heal Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Dan Bracken <3423YKN@CMUVM> Subject: C.S.A via FTP? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Does anyone know if there is an anonymous FTP site that contains up to date archives of Comp.sys.amiga? Please E-mail responses. Thanks, Dan Bracken 3423ykn@cmuvm *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R!city is the only university for the deaf in the world." *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4362; Mon, 30 Apr 90 23:14:33 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1522; Mon, 30 Apr 90 23:15:10 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:40:13 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- originQ Bonoza. At Bonoza in Maryland, we ate supper late and went home at midnight. It was entire trip for 19 hours! -- Tim Stark P.S. ARexx language is great software that I have version 1.10 of ARexx now. Timothy Stark Bitnet: 11tstark@gallua.bitnet People/Link: T.STARK Gallaudet University Internet: 11tstark@gallux.gallaudet.edu GEnie: T.STARK1 P.O. Box 1453 CIS: 71760,2701 (71760.2701@compuserve.com) 800 Florida Ave., N.E., Washington, DC 20002 "Gallaudet UniversKaching the 1st floor, the elevator stopped sharply. I felt like flatten! Now, we left the city for home. Before entering the Holland Tunnel, there was traffic jam in the tunnel. After exiting the tunnel, we freed from this and entered into the NJ Turnpike. Returning to NJ turnpike from NY City are free but entering NY City, pay three dollars. We looked for the better restaurtant from middle of New Jersey to middle of Maryland. In Maryland, we finally found the right restaurtant,e paid the ticket for 3.50 dollars. I was in 45-minute line. I finally enter the high-speed elevator to 107th floor. Its door closed slidely and the room raised very quickly. Within a minute, it reached the 107th floor. I felt like riding in the rocket because its speed is 1,600 feet per minute!! I observed the entire New York City for several minutes. I returned to the elevator to the 1st floor. I entered it and it dropped to 1st floor very quickly. I thought that its rope broke!! Rea` Resource magazine with disk option for discounted offer and bought "Mapping The Amiga" book with discounting offer. I decided to break for my rest and went to the eat area. After finished to eat lunch, I returned to the show and continued to browsed around the show. After 3:45 pm, we left the World of Amiga and headed to the World Trade Center building for the deck observation. At the World Trade Center, we arrived at the world's tallest twin building. At the ticket counter, I G8nd let me go in the show. I saw Amiga 3000 show at Commodore booth. I took a look on it and really like it. Around the show, I collected many ads from many booths include hard drive information for my good friend. I bought Arexx language from one of booths. I tried to buy T.A.C.L (The Adventure Construction Language) but the salesman need 5 percent surcharge for my credit card. Then I changed my mind and did not buy it yet. At COMPUTE! booth, I registered my new subscription to Amiga R?greached the the bay and we found the Passenger Ship Terminal with "World of Amiga" sign on it. There was another parking toll, he paid 12.00 for parking less than 10 hours. There are so many stupid tolls that we encountered. At World of Amiga, we arrived at the registration booth and filled my registration card. I handed it out and paid it to cashier. She handed me out a ticket. At entering the show, I showed it to the gatekeeper and he stamped Commodore Logo on my right hand a ;Űree dollars. We entered the tunnel undersea. After exiting the tunnel, there was downtown in New York! We finally reached it!! I saw the many poor buildings. I discovered that New York City is too ugly. Yes, it is worse than Washington, DC. I smell awful because it was so so dirty pollution!! My friends stopped the VCR store to drop his order for shipping new VCR to his home. Then, we looked for the Passenger Ship Terminal. He asked some local people but they do not know that. After  Ǭ0jDelaware Turnpike and took restroom. Before crossing the another river, there was bridge toll gate, he paid 75 cents for it. After we reached New Jersey, we stopped at the restaurtant and ate breaksfast. Before reaching New York City, I could see the World Trade Center building from NJ Turnpike (5 miles away). At Exit 14, we took the turnpike extenstion to Exit 14C. At the turnpike toll, he paid 2.60. When entering the city, there was the tunnel toll gate (Holland Tunnel), he paid th t!and I left from Gallaudet for visiting World of Amiga in New York City. We took the Baltimore-Washington parkway to Baltimore. We took a exit to I-895 to tunnel. When we reached the tunnel, one of my friends who drove his car paid one dollar to toll. We went under sea by the tunnel. After crossing the large river, there was another toll gate, he paid it again. After reaching Delaware, there still was another toll gate, he paid it again. We stopped at the Bob's boy restaurtant on the ɕark (Picard)" <11TSTARK@GALLUA> Subject: Trip Field to the World of Amiga -- Great! X-To: Comp-Sys-Amiga@Ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello Amiga users: Let me relate this story yesterday for visiting the World of Amiga show. Its trip field was very great!!! But, New York City looks like very very old except the World Trade Center building (The World's tallest building)... On Saturday at 5 am, my friends ʛ0GHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4348; Mon, 30 Apr 90 21:07:28 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0855; Mon, 30 Apr 90 21:07:51 O Date: Sun, 29 Apr 90 14:20:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Timothy St@VT | | \\ // Just say NO! | | \X/ ... to black and white monitors (that cost $4,000) | ] A500 owner - A2000 want-er (anyone care to make a donation? :-)) | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "Money can't give what the truth takes away" - Soundgarden | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ *:MSyאore any one else did. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andy Patrizio | University of Rhode Island | | P.O. Box 20551 | "It's not a school, it's, er... | | Cranston, RI 02920 | well, it's something..." | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | // Bitnet: UCI183@URIACC.BITNEMIGA@FINHUTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Andy Patrizio Subject: A3000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas If you want even more poop on the A3000, Amazing Amiga magazine has a sneak pre view that came out before Byte did. In fact, it's been in my local software sto re for a few days now. Somehow they got their mitts on an A3000 long befP * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4344; Mon, 30 Apr 90 20:45:44 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0649; Mon, 30 Apr 90 20:46:28 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 11:53:43 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Subject: B2000 Revsion 6 Motherboard?? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have an Amiga 2000 with B2000 Revision 6 Motherboard. I've heard that this motherboard has several bugs in it. What are these bugs? ********************************************************** * Tom Hayko * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore /// * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET ,|_u*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 4336; Mon, 30 Apr 90 19:47:12 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0356; Mon, 30 Apr 90 19:47:58 O Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 11:48:58 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J H;^r+ould purchase them. Please note that I meant here a narrator.device & translator.library for french and spanish languages. Thank. Phone: (613) 763-3859 Bell-Northern Research Fax: (613) 763-3283 P.O. Box 3511 Station C Bitnet: mario@bnr.ca Ottawa, Ontario CANADA UUCP: ...uunet!bnrgate!mario!mario K1Y 4H7 (Mailer R2.05) id 2710; Mon, 21 May 90 06:02:42 O Date: Sat, 19 May 90 15:15:29 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Mario Jauvin Subject: Re: French & Spanish NARRATOR.DEVICE and TRANSLATOR.LIBRARY To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In article <1990May19.174303.1821@bnrgate.bnr.ca>, mario@bwdlh58.bnr.ca (Mario + Jauvin) writes: > Is anyone aware of a NARRATOR.DEVICE and TRANSLATOR.LIBRARY that can > be used with the AMIGA. Public domain would be preferred but if need > be I w9 P.O. Box 3511 Station C Bitnet: mario@bnr.ca Ottawa, Ontario CANADA UUCP: ...uunet!bnrgate!mario!mario K1Y 4H7 *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7623; Mon, 21 May 90 06:01:53 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2710; Mon, 21 May 90 06:02:42 O Date: Sat, 19 May 90 15:15:29 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Mario Jauvin Subject: French & Spanish NARRATOR.DEVICE and TRANSLATOR.LIBRARY To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I6֞I)ginia greg@socrates.umd.edu * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * The views expressed herein do not necessarily reflect the views of my * * employer, or any other sane human being. * ******************************************************************************* *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received5hK. to 8M of expansion memory. Otherwise it is just like the IMPACT A2000/HC. I have this one in my A2000. Also, if CBM has worked out all of the bugs, the A2091 is very much like the GVP IMPACT A2000/HC, which may be a good bet too. ******************************************************************************* * J. Gregory Wright BITNet: GREG@UC780 * * Pilot Research Associates, Inc. InterNet: greg@uc780.umd.edu * * Vienna, Vir4ƅ5ensive than most. Their IMPACT A2000/HC+2/0 is a SCSI controller which comes packaged with a variety of 3.5" hard drives on the card, the ability to add 2M of expansion memory on the card, and an external SCSI connector. What a bargain! And this controller boots off of a 1.3 FFS partition, unlike some controllers. My wife has this one in her A2000. GVP also has an IMPACT A2000-SCSI+8/0 which requires you to mount the drive internally in the 3.5" or 5.25" drive bay, but allows up3_n, 20 May 90 20:11:55 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8524; Sun, 20 May 90 20:12:45 O Date: Sun, 20 May 90 13:31:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: GREG@UC780.BITNET Subject: RE: hard drives and hard drive controllers... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas IMHO, GVP provides the best drive/controller combinations, even if they are a little bit more exp2B/ FOREVER /// Phone: (W) - (216)-672-3994 / (H) - (216)-673-9271 \\ // \\\/// Fax: (W) - (216)-672-2448 \\ // \XX/ \\ ////////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7601; Su1ۯ\\\\\\ // E. Malcolm Crosby -- Student Novell Network Computer Lab Technician \\ // Kent State University, College of Business Administration (Kent, Ohio) \\ // Bitnet: BLABC183@KENTVMS |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\ // Internet: BLABC183@ksuvxa.kent.edu| \\ //~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \\ // AMIGA /// A2000/HD, Novell Netware & (Sorry AMI) IBM MS-DOS experience \\ /05most forgot the best part, the controller like many others can have a 3.5" drive mounted on the controller so the drive doesn't take up a drive bay. The only drawbacks is that with the drive mounted it must be inserted in the right most slot next to the CPU slot so that other cards will fit on the motherboard. The other drawback is that there isn't a SCSI connector on the backplane to connect external drives. ////////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/Զetup with three FFS partitions: 1 10meg, 2 18meg. The computer autoboots off of the 10meg partition. To this day I have not had one problems using the drive. Setting the drive up was also quite easy. The Hardframe comes with a setup diskette that does a low level format and also creates all of the partitions for you. There is no need to edit the mountlist at all. This is the only controller that I've tried their may be better controllers, but I'm quite happy with the Hardframe. I al.޿!fI-AMIGA@FINHUTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List From: BLABC183@KSUVXA.KENT.EDU Subject: RE: Hard Drive Controllers?? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >I'm finally going to get around to buying a hard drive for my Amiga 2000. Does >anybody have an sugguestions as to which controller I should buy? I've recently upgraded from an A500 to an A2000 with Fat Agnus, Microbotics Hardframe and Seagate 46 Meg drive. The drive is s-q< please mail me a uudecode program, that's very easy to use and directions? Please respond back to me PERSONALLY. Thanks, Jeff (JTKIRKLEY@COLOSPGS) *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7599; Sun, 20 May 90 19:10:29 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7993; Sun, 20 May 90 19:11:16 O Date: Sun, 20 May 90 11:01:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List <,ʮY Sun, 20 May 90 06:27:00 MDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: JTKIRKLE@COLOSPGS.BITNET Subject: UUDecode/UUEncode To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi all! I was wondering if anybody out there in Amiga land, could give me some information regarding UUDecode/Encode. I just got some files from a listserv, and it appears they're all zoo'd and then uuencoded. Can someone+ឪ* Please leave the discussion of games to the GAMES-L list, thats what its there for. FLAME OFF Regards Bill (WMORRISO@ESOC.BITNET) End of Message *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7597; Sun, 20 May 90 15:03:39 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7609; Sun, 20 May 90 15:04:34 O Date: *CAte: Fri, 18 May 90 18:16:05 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "W.H. MORRISON" Subject: Mindless game information (Flame) To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi all, I thought I should remind the 'new' members of this list that its purpose is NOT to discuss how to get to the Nth level of MISSION IMPOSSIBLE or any other game. )ҷsed herein do not necessarily reflect the views of my * * employer, or any other sane human being. * ******************************************************************************* *:MSGHDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7455; Fri, 18 May 90 18:20:01 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 3298; Fri, 18 May 90 18:20:46 O Da(B{e Amiga? >-Dan Riley (dsr@crnlns) >-Wilson Lab, Cornell University ******************************************************************************* * J. Gregory Wright BITNet: GREG@UC780 * * Pilot Research Associates, Inc. InterNet: greg@uc780.umd.edu * * Vienna, Virginia greg@socrates.umd.edu * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * The views express'=e guys. It will run X11 locally, since you can run both the >server and clients on an Amiga (thanks to multitasking). GfxBase sells >the AmeriStar (soon to be re-released by Commodore) EtherNet card, and >I believe Dale has been working with the TSSNet(?) guys to get Amiga X11 >working with their implementation of DECnet, so you can run X11 with DECnet >as the transport layer using a serial line or a supported Ethernet card. Does this mean there is DECNet Phase IV software for th&1o0y 90 09:53:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: GREG@UC780.BITNET Subject: RE: DECWindows (and DECNet) To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >>There is a version of X Windows for the Amiga by a company named GfxBase, >>I don't know anything more except that it requires an Ethernet conncection. > >GfxBase is owned and operated by Dale Luck, one of the longtime Amiga >softwar%p RE: ECS for Amiga 1000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Check out the last issue of AmigaWorld. There's mention of two boards for the 1000. They are a bit spendy. *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7359; Fri, 18 May 90 02:37:09 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5636; Fri, 18 May 90 02:38:03 O Date: Sun, 13 Ma$f_y). Cheers, John *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7355; Fri, 18 May 90 02:31:42 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5584; Fri, 18 May 90 02:32:43 O Date: Thu, 17 May 90 12:02:43 -0900 Reply-To: "Morgan M. Morgan" Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Morgan M. Morgan" Subject: #aLrom: ZZAPSJC@CMS.MANCHESTER-COMPUTING-CENTRE.AC.UK Subject: C-Itoh 8510 Printer driver wanted To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Greetings, I have been trying to get a C-Itoh 8510 dot-matrix printer to work with the Amiga. I have tried all the printer drivers that I can get my hands on and also tried to create one with PrtDrvGen from fish disk 90 without any success. Has anyone got such a driver. I can do Anonymous FTP (in a round about wa"H SAY ** ************************************************************************ *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7353; Fri, 18 May 90 02:30:28 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5533; Fri, 18 May 90 02:31:24 O Date: Thu, 17 May 90 17:46:32 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List F!E(ode 'em and than even dezoo 'em ... -Hope that helps - Heiko ************************************************************************ ** HEIKO RUPP UK85 @ DKAUNI2.BITNET ** ************************************************************************ ** AMIGA 1000 - SAY YES !! ** ** SO LONG AND THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH ! ** ** ALL OPINIONS ARE MY OWN BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW WHAT I qy /// * > * OEYO8729 @ TREARN : student of Computer Programming * \\\ /// * > * OPRJ14 @ TREARN : Ege University Computer Center * \\\/// * > * PROHVK32 @ TREARN : programmer of DAPRO Computer Co.* XXX * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I have the same problem , but I managed to get some FTP'd files back in normal format : when thy're back on the AMIGA you have to change all cr/lf into LF only then you can uu**cor -test etc...) > *cree*cree*cree* > xxx.zoo is not an Archive file or corrupted... > > HRRRRGGGG! ANIMALS LICKED UUU ! > > I try everyway as I know, everything to comes to my mind. But I can't. > Please give some advice to me. Where is my faults ? What must I do ? > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * Cem Turgay : Everything is possible but I can't do yet /// * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ;^'ave a lot of > uudecoded xxx files. (some of them ZOO file) I'm ready to run my new > program, I have also ZOO archive utility. > > > RUN xxx > *grrn*grrn*grrn* (drive crying) > system request: Gimme volume workbench > *hhrn*hhrn*hhrn* (takes the error message from workbench) > can not load xxx is not an object module > > ARRRGGGGGHHHHH! GODS OF AMIGA DAMN UUU ! > > Here is my last chance ! Now I have some ZOOed files. > > > ZOO -extrac xxx.zoo (or -list wX > > > UUDECODE xxx.uu (or UUDECODE xxx.zuu) > *grrn*grrn*grrn* (drive crying) > Can not open output file xxx > > ARGGGGHHHH!!! I CAN'T UUDECODE THEM ! > > I checked my diskets, reformat, clear, un-protect, retry etc. Nothing, > nothing, nothing,,, I CAN'T DO IT I also use RAMdrive, uudecode can't > open output file neither... > > Later,,, I was using PC uudecode program. PC uudecoded all of my files > ! I was very happy ! Everything seems clear! Now, I h+, over the monitor, created file is nowhere. I try all of > variable,fixed or crlf files, also try in-out redirection combinations. > WHERE AM I WRONG ? > > I was trying to manually extract Shell Archive files. Yes, I succeed,,, > on the mainframe XEDIT. I can extract included files. I transfer them > PC-disk to Amiga disk again. Now I have a lot of UUencoded files. > (some of them ZUU files) Now, I'm ready to figth them, I have the > archiver utilities ! B-)+KWm DF0: into RAM: device. I exited from Dos2Dos and copy all of > RAM files into Amiga-Dos formatted disket. I look at them with DIR, > also see the file length with LIST command. Everything seems weel... > > But,,, I can't unshar these SH files on Amiga. > > > UNSHAR < XXX.SH > extracting xxx.uu > xxx.uu created > > Unshar say lie, (no no, only echo commands work well) B-) It didn't > created! I'm looking for everywhere, RAM, DF0, clipboards, under the > keyboardƢ\ing by PC3270 emulator. > Everything seems ok, but I try some transfer combination; > > * receive xxx.shF xxx shF (ascii 'Fixed form & Ascii format' > * receive xxxC.shF xxx shF (crlf ascii 'F.F & Ascii & carriage return' > * receive xxx.shV xxx shV (ascii 'Variable form & Ascii format' > * receive xxxC.shV xxx shV (crlf ascii 'V.F & Ascii & carrige return' > WHICH ONE IS TRUE ? > > In the home, I loaded Dos2Dos V3.0 on my Amiga and transfer my varied SH > files fro O B-) > Firstly, sorry for my dummy English, I'm very aggresive for a month. I > eat my cerebellum. My FTP problem continues; > > I have an Amiga 500. (and archive utilies now !) I ordered some Amiga > files (shell archived) from PD servers. I received them to CMS disk > from my reader on mainframe. > The SH file is arrived to me recfm fixed file, I named it 'xxx shF' so I > was generate another recfm variable file 'xxx shV' > I transfered them to PC-formatted diskets usjG SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7351; Fri, 18 May 90 02:29:52 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5504; Fri, 18 May 90 02:30:22 O Date: Thu, 17 May 90 20:29:00 LCL Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: * The incredible Heiko * Subject: Re: Problem with FTing To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > Hello, > > Here I'm again! I2.BITNET ** ************************************************************************ ** AMIGA 1000 - SAY YES !! ** ** SO LONG AND THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH ! ** ** ALL OPINIONS ARE MY OWN BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SAY ** ************************************************************************ *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: fromi$se the ECS and Kick 1.4. Does anybody know better ? > In a german Computer Magazine called c't theere was a report, that a COMDEX I believe some guys announced that board for a very low price (about $400 :-) ) I think you'll find this article also in BYTE in the 5/90 or 6/90 issue (In the c't it was 6/90 issue) > Greetings, Michael. also Greetings, Heiko ************************************************************************ ** HEIKO RUPP UK85 @ DKAUNTO7) with BSMTP id 7349; Fri, 18 May 90 02:26:07 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5466; Fri, 18 May 90 02:26:52 O Date: Thu, 17 May 90 20:25:00 LCL Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: * The incredible Heiko * Subject: Re: ECS for Amiga 1000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi, > I've heard about an additonal board for an AMIGA 1000 > to uen Outtasight Lyngaas Someone recently sent me the address of a plcae from chich I could get a 16-bit audio sampler for an Amiga. I subsequently lost the message. Could you resend me the address? I appreciate it. By the way, will this product work with an Amiga 1000? Thanks again, Scott Ferguson srfergu@erenj.bitnet *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.0+2X===================================================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7286; Thu, 17 May 90 21:12:41 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1542; Thu, 17 May 90 21:13:38 O Date: Thu, 17 May 90 10:35:15 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Scott Ferguson Subject: 16-bit Sampler for Amiga To: EspURED OUT MOST OF IT, BUT I CANNOT DO ONE THING, CHANGE YOUR COMBAT RATING. IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS CHEAT, PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AT JRO91@GENESEO.BITNET. ANYONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO ALTER YOUR COMBAT RATING WITH THE CHEAT, KNOWN TO MANY AS HACKER V1.0 PLEASE TELL ME. THANKS FOR ANY AND ALL HELP!!! YES, THERE IS CLOAKING YES, THERE ARE NEW WEAPONS YES, THERE ARE MISSIONS. JASON ? OLIVER STUDIO 42 *:MSGHDR_7 ===========@Nid 1525; Thu, 17 May 90 21:13:12 O Date: Wed, 16 May 90 23:10:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "AMIGA COMPUTERS...THE REST ARE JUST ROTTEN APPLES" Subject: ELITE CHEAT!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas HI THERE ALL YOU ELITE PLAYERS...DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A CHARACTER EDITER INCLUDED WITH YOUR GAME??!! I HAVE FIG of Computer Programming * \\\ /// * * OPRJ14 @ TREARN : Ege University Computer Center * \\\/// * * PROHVK32 @ TREARN : programmer of DAPRO Computer Co.* XXX * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7284; Thu, 17 May 90 21:12:20 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) Oree*cree*cree* xxx.zoo is not an Archive file or corrupted... HRRRRGGGG! ANIMALS LICKED UUU ! I try everyway as I know, everything to comes to my mind. But I can't. Please give some advice to me. Where is my faults ? What must I do ? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Cem Turgay : Everything is possible but I can't do yet /// * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * /// * * OEYO8729 @ TREARN : studentu֡ have a lot of uudecoded xxx files. (some of them ZOO file) I'm ready to run my new program, I have also ZOO archive utility. > RUN xxx *grrn*grrn*grrn* (drive crying) system request: Gimme volume workbench *hhrn*hhrn*hhrn* (takes the error message from workbench) can not load xxx is not an object module ARRRGGGGGHHHHH! GODS OF AMIGA DAMN UUU ! Here is my last chance ! Now I have some ZOOed files. > ZOO -extrac xxx.zoo (or -list or -test etc...) *c D/ӆarchiver utilities ! B-) > UUDECODE xxx.uu (or UUDECODE xxx.zuu) *grrn*grrn*grrn* (drive crying) Can not open output file xxx ARGGGGHHHH!!! I CAN'T UUDECODE THEM ! I checked my diskets, reformat, clear, un-protect, retry etc. Nothing, nothing, nothing,,, I CAN'T DO IT I also use RAMdrive, uudecode can't open output file neither... Later,,, I was using PC uudecode program. PC uudecoded all of my files ! I was very happy ! Everything seems clear! Now, I  DM, DF0, clipboards, under the keyboard, over the monitor, created file is nowhere. I try all of variable,fixed or crlf files, also try in-out redirection combinations. WHERE AM I WRONG ? I was trying to manually extract Shell Archive files. Yes, I succeed,,, on the mainframe XEDIT. I can extract included files. I transfer them PC-disk to Amiga disk again. Now I have a lot of UUencoded files. (some of them ZUU files) Now, I'm ready to figth them, I have the  Dos2Dos V3.0 on my Amiga and transfer my varied SH files from DF0: into RAM: device. I exited from Dos2Dos and copy all of RAM files into Amiga-Dos formatted disket. I look at them with DIR, also see the file length with LIST command. Everything seems weel... But,,, I can't unshar these SH files on Amiga. > UNSHAR < XXX.SH extracting xxx.uu xxx.uu created Unshar say lie, (no no, only echo commands work well) B-) It didn't created! I'm looking for everywhere, RA 88t recfm variable file 'xxx shV' I transfered them to PC-formatted diskets using by PC3270 emulator. Everything seems ok, but I try some transfer combination; * receive xxx.shF xxx shF (ascii 'Fixed form & Ascii format' * receive xxxC.shF xxx shF (crlf ascii 'F.F & Ascii & carriage return' * receive xxx.shV xxx shV (ascii 'Variable form & Ascii format' * receive xxxC.shV xxx shV (crlf ascii 'V.F & Ascii & carrige return' WHICH ONE IS TRUE ? In the home, I loaded  ]FTing To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello, Here I'm again! B-) Firstly, sorry for my dummy English, I'm very aggresive for a month. I eat my cerebellum. My FTP problem continues; I have an Amiga 500. (and archive utilies now !) I ordered some Amiga files (shell archived) from PD servers. I received them to CMS disk from my reader on mainframe. The SH file is arrived to me recfm fixed file, I named it 'xxx shF' so I was generate another Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Cem Turgay Subject: Problem with X CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6544; Thu, 17 May 90 13:16:31 O Date: Thu, 17 May 90 10:09:11 MEZ Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Michael Moellney Subject: ECS for Amiga 1000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I've heard about an additonal board for an AMIGA 1000 to use the ECS and Kick 1.4. Does anybody know better ? Greetings, Gied to uudecode it, but there were checksums all over the place ! Could the kind person who coverted it from EBCDIC to ASCII please check this out ? If it is not an error in the file, could someone mail it directly to me ? Thanks a lot, Peter Vlietstra University of East Anglia Norwich England. *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7243; Thu, 17 May 90 13:15:47-vo (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7233; Thu, 17 May 90 12:16:36 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5937; Thu, 17 May 90 12:17:20 O Date: Wed, 16 May 90 20:07:47 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "P.N.J. Vlietstra" Subject: Fishlist revisited... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi, I got a copy of the fishlist1-350ascii.zoo and I tr+0 looking to set up a computer video system including character generation, genlock, etc. Right now I'm looking for recomendations about hardware requirements and specific models... Thanks in advance for the help.... Paul Bienvenue S0703PDB@SEMASSU.BITNET *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.n !P id 7094; Wed, 16 May 90 05:37:43 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1779; Wed, 16 May 90 05:38:39 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 23:17:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Never let your studies interfere with your education Subject: Amiga video system To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello there. My boss at work is ՟@GENESEO.BITNET> Subject: RE: Subscriptions to list I-Amiga To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi there... I also am getting all sorts of messages regarding subscribing to I-Amiga. Would someone please explain what is going on??!! Thanks... Jason ? Oliver (JRO91@geneseo.bitnet) *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMT 9*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7092; Wed, 16 May 90 05:23:28 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1465; Wed, 16 May 90 05:24:23 O Date: Tue, 15 May 90 23:01:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "AMIGA COMPUTERS...THE REST ARE JUST ROTTEN APPLES" INTERNET: JMILLER@SCU.BITNET DECWRL: "DECWRL!SCU.BITNET!JMILLER@DECVAX"@DECWRL.DEC.COM ---------------------------------------------.? Sculpt 3d, TurboSilver, and Opticks for the public (shareware) domain. Any information (or source code) for this format or any other format would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!! Please respond to one of the addresses below, as my school no longer has a subscription to this list. Jim Miller -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James B. Miller BITnet : JMILLER@SCU.BITN-hn)mport some of the scene files from other packages to test my algorithms. I was wondering if anyone out there has access to the the format of the scene and object description files for Caligari. Unfortunately, with a mere college student budget, I don't have the package, but have to pick up my images from a rich friend!! I am planning to write a few conversion utilities to convert between Caligari and some of the more popular ( and cheaper!! ) raytracing packages out there, such as,:$ed: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2754; Mon, 21 May 90 06:15:20 O Date: Sun, 20 May 90 20:54:00 PDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: James Miller Subject: Help on Caligari and other Raytracers!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have been writing a raytracer and some other graphic utilities to create photorealistic images. I would like to i+cUUM25@PRIME-A.CENTRAL-SERVICES.UMIST.AC.UK> Subject: Xicon/Muchmore To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Thanks to all those people who sent me mail on the problem I had with Xicon and MuchMore. I tried your suggestions and its worked fine. Steve C. *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7625; Mon, 21 May 90 06:22:42 CET Receiv*BHup a lot in flexibility. SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6354; Thu, 10 May 90 15:01:24 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5843; Thu, 10 May 90 15:02:03 O Date: Thu, 10 May 90 08:01:56 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Dr. Frank Kvasnik" From: SUTTON@BRANDEIS Subject: RE: Setting up To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas First of all, do you mean Xicon or IconX? Second, look at the filename in your error message. It's trying to find a directory off the current directory call "c" and a file called "Xicon". If such a thing doesn't exist (and I'm assuming that it doesn't), you need to select the icon and Info from the first Workbench menu. You'll then ge'b binary)? Or could it be that all the files I have received have been corrupted. The error is with the CRC. *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6198; Thu, 10 May 90 01:15:45 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8747; Thu, 10 May 90 01:16:33 O Date: Wed, 9 May 90 12:47:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga& I am having trouble transfering files from a FTP network, and then having them work. I am currently geting the files in an arc, or zoo format, from the FTP connection to the UNIX system that I am on. I then transfer them to my Amiga by use of kermit. The problem is that the files I get back to the Amiga are all garbage. This has happened with all of the files I have downloaded. Is there some program I sould be running on the UNIX system to fix them, ( I do have FTP set for type%================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6196; Thu, 10 May 90 01:15:23 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8726; Thu, 10 May 90 01:16:15 O Date: Wed, 9 May 90 09:50:34 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Will Dieterich;SCC;" Subject: Troubles with FTP To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas $.1P Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Olaf Marx +49 (0)541 75624" Subject: CSAMIGA To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello everybody, CSAMIGA can be subscribed from DHDURZ1 (there was just a 'D' missing !). So send your subscribtion command to LISTSERV@DHDURZ1. (The node is in Heidelberg,FRG). Olaf *:MSGHDR_16 ==============================================================# }DB88002@NOBIVM.BITNET> I've been told that AMIGA-D is a list that echos comp.sys.amiga. You can subscribe by sending the usual message to LISTSERV@FINTUVM.BITNET. Tom *:MSGHDR_15 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6194; Thu, 10 May 90 01:15:04 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8706; Thu, 10 May 90 01:15:55 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 17:37:48 GMT Reply-To: "ehL============================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6108; Wed, 09 May 90 10:40:46 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0772; Wed, 09 May 90 10:37:47 O Date: Wed, 9 May 90 00:46:51 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Tom J Hayko Subject: Re: comp.sys.amiga.* To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "Dr. Frank Kvasnik" Subject: Setting up To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Not a very technical question but still it's got me stuck so I've downloaded a few file from FINTUVM and UUDECODEd and ZOOd them Ok. the problem occurs when I try to run them eg. the omega version on Fred Fish disk 320 has an icon 'Click me to run' which if I xB ^ ^ / \ ( ) /_\ Acer David Blezard // d_blezard@unhh.bitnet \X/ *:MSGHDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6009; Wed, 09 May 90 03:22:52 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6924; Wed, 09 May 90 03:23:27 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 15:09:40 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List me know if one exists please, though), but the comp.sys.amiga.tech and >comp.sys.amiga.hardware new lists are redistributed through LISTSERV@DHURZ1 >(that a one not an 'l'). The typo struck again. The listserv is located at DHDURZ1. ^ I'm sure that will work a lot better. ^ ^ My Sincere Appologies, }=/N.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6007; Wed, 09 May 90 03:22:10 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6871; Wed, 09 May 90 03:22:22 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 10:33:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: D_BLEZARD@UNHH Subject: SOOORRRRYYYYYYY!!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > I don't know of any redistribution lists for comp.sys.amiga on B NcXmiga List From: Konrad Neuwirth Subject: Listserv To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 7 May 90 12:41:50 EDT from The listserv is at DHDURZ1, an EARN/BITNET node. Konrad Neuwirth The friendly listowner of CSAMIGA and AMIGAHAR *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEAR!- PLEASE. ANY ANSWER WILL BE APPRECIATED and is someone has the same problem and i get it solved ill post it. MARV *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6005; Wed, 09 May 90 03:19:41 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6844; Wed, 09 May 90 03:20:21 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 18:21:15 MEZ Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-A"QK nloaded Ami3270 and aftterm and i do connect to my host in school but they only configured it to run on a ps with ftterm, the problem is the CLEAR key is configured as home key on the ps, but when i put ctfl c in aftterm it gives me a error that the key sequence does not exist, how can i alter a program or is there a program to make the amiga keyboard exactly as the ps or a term prog to configure keys. I emulate ibm and communicate but is darn to slow. PLEASE HELP AND MAIL PERSONALLY#(UNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6003; Wed, 09 May 90 03:18:05 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6819; Wed, 09 May 90 03:18:30 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 07:21:45 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Marvin Nahmias Subject: IBM 3270 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi, soory to bother you again, but i need a favor. I already dow$Eeed to know which keymap or what i can do to configure the amiga keyboard exactly as an ibm pc or ps, like when i press home, i get home and not number 7, i need this to connect correctly to my host on campus via mode, or any term program for ibm 3270 tha can configure the keys, i tried aftterm and ami3270, which work fine but return an undifined keyboard sequence. MARV *:MSGHDR_10 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.S%f>========================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6001; Wed, 09 May 90 03:17:13 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6794; Wed, 09 May 90 03:18:03 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 07:29:34 MEX Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Marvin Nahmias Subject: IBM KEYBOARD To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi guys, i n&!-> FTP this thingie from ? For some reason I can not FTP from uunet, so that's no use (for me, that is). > -Dan Riley (dsr@crnlns) > -Wilson Lab, Cornell University -- Rob Robert Belleman, co-system-manager the Netherlands Cancer Institute Amsterdam. Tel. : (31) 20-5122458 Home number : (31) 2206-1789 ROBBEL@VAXH.NKI.NL PSI%02041291011::ROBBEL *:MSGHDR_9 ======================================================='to multitasking). GfxBase sells > the AmeriStar (soon to be re-released by Commodore) EtherNet card, and > I believe Dale has been working with the TSSNet(?) guys to get Amiga X11 > working with their implementation of DECnet, so you can run X11 with DECnet > as the transport layer using a serial line or a supported Ethernet card. I think there was a distribution of X11 on Usenet a little while ago, but I missed it for some reason; I can't remember why. Does anyone know where I can(8Y From: Robert Belleman Subject: Re: DECWindows To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > >There is a version of X Windows for the Amiga by a company named GfxBase, > >I don't know anything more except that it requires an Ethernet conncection. > > GfxBase is owned and operated by Dale Luck, one of the longtime Amiga > software guys. It will run X11 locally, since you can run both the > server and clients on an Amiga (thanks )Gnhh.bitnet \// *:MSGHDR_8 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5995; Wed, 09 May 90 03:09:13 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6693; Wed, 09 May 90 03:09:52 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 11:14:00 MET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Sent using PMDF-822 V3.1, routing is done by SARA5* y sure on that (Anyone, anyone...?). I don't know whether the new AMax will have any other new features like Mac sound support, but they had better have made it work with 2.0 and the new chip set! As to when it will be out, the best I can say is soon. My guess is, though, that it will appear some time around when the A3000 starts to ship or shortly there after. / \ ( ) David Blezard // /_\ Acer d_blezard@u+ Mon, 7 May 90 19:36:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: D_BLEZARD@UNHH Subject: New AMax To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas As I heard last week from our local dealer and user's group president, the new version of AMax will have harddrive support with C= and GVP controllers. Currently, I believe that there's a way to do it with TrumpCard, but I'm not completel,deen H and U). Name of Discussion group in Listserv is CSAMIGA for the com.sys.amiga.tech and AMIGAHAR for the com.sys.amiga.hardware. Regards, Suthipunha, School of Architecture , National University of Singapore *:MSGHDR_7 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5848; Tue, 08 May 90 03:03:58 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1516; Tue, 08 May 90 03:04:30 O Date: ->" Subject: Hello from Singapore! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 7 May 90 12:41:50 EDT from Hello from SIngapore, In reply to the LISTSERV address for com.sys amiga.hardware and com.sys.amiga. tech. is not DHURZ1 as mentioned here. I manage to subscribe to both by sendin g the SUBscribtion message to LISTSERV@DHDURZ1 (Please not that there is an ext ra D betw.wwDan Riley (dsr@crnlns) -Wilson Lab, Cornell University *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5846; Tue, 08 May 90 03:03:30 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1497; Tue, 08 May 90 03:04:06 O Date: Tue, 8 May 90 08:08:02 SST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "S. Sujarittanonta /wnd operated by Dale Luck, one of the longtime Amiga software guys. It will run X11 locally, since you can run both the server and clients on an Amiga (thanks to multitasking). GfxBase sells the AmeriStar (soon to be re-released by Commodore) EtherNet card, and I believe Dale has been working with the TSSNet(?) guys to get Amiga X11 working with their implementation of DECnet, so you can run X11 with DECnet as the transport layer using a serial line or a supported Ethernet card. - 0CLNS Subject: Re: DECWindows To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Comment: forwarded by CRNLNS/FMAIL v2.0 Comment: REPLY may not work. Comment: Network-Source: _LNS62::DSR (HEPnet/SPAN) Comment: Originally-From: DSR "Dan Riley" Comment: Originally-To: JNET%"i-amiga@ubvm" >There is a version of X Windows for the Amiga by a company named GfxBase, >I don't know anything more except that it requires an Ethernet conncection. GfxBase is owned a 1|cknow of DHURZ1. Thanks, Will Dieterich wdieteri@wrdis01.af.mil *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5797; Tue, 08 May 90 01:11:21 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0457; Tue, 08 May 90 01:11:44 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90 16:19:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: DSR@CRN 2a, "Will Dieterich;SCC;" Subject: Connection Problems To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >From David Blezard (d_blezard): >me know if one exists please, though), but the comp.sys.amiga.tech and >comp.sys.amiga.hardware new lists are redistributed through LISTSERV@DHURZ1 >kthat a one not an 'l'). Can you give me more information on the address used to connect to this site? I have been tring various locations and none  3K / \ ( ) /_\ Acer David Blezard // d_blezard@unhh.bitnet \X/ *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5795; Tue, 08 May 90 01:09:22 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0428; Tue, 08 May 90 01:09:59 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90 12:41:50 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: 4d CSAMIGA and AMIGAHAR. Be warned, the discussions are often very technical especially on .tech [Sort of makes sense doesn't it 8-)], and you will get a LOT, repeat LOT of mail. I'm currently receiving somewhere around 35-40 pieces of mail daily just from these two lists. There's probably no better source for Amy info though especially on programming and hardware problems unless you have a direct phone line to Dave Haynie who happens to post quite a bit to the newsgroups. BCNU, 5nist From: D_BLEZARD@UNHH Subject: comp.sys.amiga.* To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I don't know of any redistribution lists for comp.sys.amiga on Bitnet (let me know if one exists please, though), but the comp.sys.amiga.tech and comp.sys.amiga.hardware new lists are redistributed through LISTSERV@DHURZ1 (that a one not an 'l'). If you are interested, a subscribe command to the listserv. The two lists are calle6" BITNET: FINEBERG@WUMS Wash. U. School of Medicine internet: fineberg@wums2.wustl.edu *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5791; Tue, 08 May 90 01:03:17 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0344; Tue, 08 May 90 01:03:42 O Date: Fri, 4 May 90 18:24:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga L7xFINHUTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List From: FINEBERG@WUMS2.WUSTL.EDU Subject: Subscription Renewals To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Please read your renewal form before just blindly replying to it. Send a message containing "confirm i-amiga" to LISTSERV@RUTVM1 (or whichever peer you are connected to). Please do not send this notice to I-AMIGA@RUTVM1! No one will be any better off for it. Charlie Fineberg 8[ore DIST2 method which came into LISTSERVs around -88) Selecting that site isn't done yet. /Matti Aarnio OH1MQK *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5789; Tue, 08 May 90 01:02:30 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0319; Tue, 08 May 90 01:03:02 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90 13:34:11 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List In-Reply-To: <9005071913.AA19769@mea.utu.fi>; from "nop" at May 7, 90 11:11 am > CONFIRM I-AMIGA Before everybody sends CONFIRMs to LIST, let it be known that that confirmation request sent to list was due to badly done peering which didn't cause hickups before... Basically name of peered list MUST BE EXACTLY 'Peer Distribution List' but it was '"Peer Distribution List"' in I-AMIGA@UTARLVM1 against I-AMIGA;V*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5779; Mon, 07 May 90 23:35:02 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9344; Mon, 07 May 90 23:35:37 O Date: Mon, 7 May 90 21:36:30 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: Renewal of your subscription to list I-AG}]ox: 16460 facwn nl FAX: +31 (0)20 5255802 ******************************************************************************* l's going on??? What can I do (i.e. change in the program) to make it work? 2) Does anyone out there have a WORKING version of compress that can handle BITS=16 files (mostly ones compressed on mainframe UNIX machines with lots of memory to spare. 3) HELP???!!! Jacqueline PS I can do anonymous ftp, so if it's stored somewhere on this planet, all I nF=r.eed is the name of the Internet (not UUCP !!!!) machine which has a working version of 'compress' Thank you Internet: a410jacq@vm1.sara.nl ******************************************************************************* Jacqueline Cote' | Astronomical Institute, City University of Amsterdam | Roetersstraat 15 BITNET: | 1018 WB Amsterdam, The Netherlands A410JACQ@HASARA11 | phone: +31 (0)20 5256020 | teleE>wory for other programs), to no avail. each and every time the same GURU appeared. 1) Does anyone out there know what the hell's going on??? What can I do (i.e. change in the program) to make it work? 2) Does anyone out there have a WORKING version of compress that can handle BITS=16 files (mostly ones compressed on mainframe UNIX machines with lots of memory to spare. 3) HELP???!!! Jacqueline PS I can do anonymous ftp, so if it's stored somewhere on this planet, all I nD?in o decompress bigger files ( > 7kBytes) the Amiga GURU-ed (GURU: 00000003.00C04FD0, whatever that may mean). The available memory at that time was more than sufficient: about 865,000k. Waiting a bit, and restarting the machine I saw that the decompressed file (or the one it was trying to) was 0 bytes, and 15 blocks. Variation in available memory size between 520k - 870k each time resulted in ''decompressed'' files of exactly the same size. We played around with SACREDMEM too (min. memC@8qompressed (plain ASCII when decompressed) are all compressed on mainframes, and are with BITS=16. After studying the sources I was able to change the program such that it decompressed BITS=16 files. Since I have a 1 Meg Amiga, there is sufficient memory available to do this (BITS=16 decompression requires some 450,000 bytes). Changing USERMEM to the default for 'big' machines (450,000) and recompiling (using AZTEC C), the program started to decompress the files. HOWEVER, if I tried tBAi#berkeley.edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have a problem which seems impossible to resolve. I would like to decompress UNIX .Z files. On various Fish disks, and posted to the Amiga Discussion at UMNEWS were versions of the UNIX program 'compress', AMIGA-ized, including both binary and source. Most programs refused to decompress my .Z files, since they claimed they could only decompress files compressed with BITS=14. However, the files I want decAB<i.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3019; Tue, 24 Apr 90 12:03:02 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 4768; Tue, 24 Apr 90 12:03:19 O Date: Tue, 24 Apr 90 11:22:10 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Jacqueline Cote Subject: HELP wanted with program 'compress' X-To: i-amiga@fintuvm, comp-sources-amiga@ucbvax.berkeley.edu, comp-binaries-amiga@ucbvax.@CGISI (I'll Believe It When I See It) ......................................................................... There is nothing more useless than Dung (Deng) Xiaoping The "Peoples Republic" is neither. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Brickman Latham, New York, USA Bitnet: BRICKMPD@SNYCENVM.BITNET *:MSGHDR_23 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by b?Dxcetting the hang of spell preparation, firing, etc. I have gotten past the stairs up/stairs down. around there my characters are running VERY low on food. How do you get more food? I understand that there is a spell that can fill your belly somewhat, but none of my characters have that spell. Also, arrows disappear extremely quickly. How do I prevent that?? Thanx in advance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to Real Soon Now: IBIW>EN (Mailer R2.05) id 2709; Tue, 24 Apr 90 06:34:07 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 16:38:23 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: PETER BRICKMAN Subject: Bloodwych To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I am looking for some Bloodwych advice. I am on the starter level of the game, and I am semi-g=FpA question from our local Amiga conference... > ( 16364 ) 90-04-23 15:14 Aaron Culich >Comment to: ( 16069 ) by Joey Bryant >Receiver: Amiga Bits /received/ >Subject: Ketchikan AMIGA users >------------------------------ >Do you know anyone that has hambench? > ( 16364 ) *:MSGHDR_22 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2992; Tue, 24 Apr 90 06:33:52 CET Received: by SEAR<G:Y990; Tue, 24 Apr 90 06:33:29 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2695; Tue, 24 Apr 90 06:33:48 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 16:57:33 -0900 Reply-To: "Michael Ciri, ACAD1 Sys. Manager" Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Michael Ciri, ACAD1 Sys. Manager" Subject: Hambench anyone? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas ;H{Daas There are some files I'd like to decompress that have the extension .Z so if anyone would be so kind as to send me the decompressor that would be great. Send to uog91270@vm.uoguelph.ca BEFORE Apr 30 at which time my name will change to something unknown until May 1. Thanks for any help. BDS. *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2:I~~)ived: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2988; Tue, 24 Apr 90 06:32:54 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2679; Tue, 24 Apr 90 06:33:25 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 23:46:46 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Brian Switzer Subject: Z compression To: Espen Outtasight Lyng9J*someone out there (In the USA) get it to work. There is no reason why it won't work on an NTSC system, the incredibly strange happenings above must be uudecode failing. It could have been my uuencode and transfer processes, but as SOMEONE has had it running ok, (AND seen the iconify button) it can't be that! Must be inbetween here and those having dificulties. Thanks again.. Andy *:MSGHDR_20 ================================================================================ Rece8Kt0to worry about. To make matters worse, our system went down completely this weekend, and I have lost all mails that should have come thru for 4 days. So if you have tried to reach and not had a reply, please try again. I am sorry for the hassle. > >Sincerly, (another beta-tester) > loads deleted above and below. But THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. Bear with me for a couple of days while all pending mail that survives comes thru, and I will be in daily to try sort things out. I have had 7Lqkf the program doesn't even open a window, then it hasn't uudecoded correctly. check the size of the file (with list) corresponds to the last line of the file, size 2580 I THINK, can't remember off hand. I re-posted the program to I-AMIGA on Thursday, and I have tried desperately to get it thru to Dave at aegnor, but my machine won't find that site :-( Again, dave, I need a more general BITNET, EARNET, or UUCP address. I have resisted posting to CSAT directly, those guys have enough 6M}%yponse out of it... it starts >spinning the drive, and goes away quietly, using NO memory like it is >NEVER getting loaded... will it WORK on an NTSC system? > The program just opens a window with three prop gadgets, 4 boolean 'pallette' color select gadgets, and a RESET and ICON gadget below the 'closewindow' gadget. There is also an iconify gadget next to the depth gadgets, that some obviously can't see. That is why it is duplicated with the ICON boolgadget in the window main. I5NOBnosed >to Iconify (Hi Andy) and it does NOTHING, I fear that it is because >he has a PAL Amiga (my assumption because of the UK gateway) and >that it can NOT correctly find the upper right/front to back gadgets >on my NTSC screen... Here is his E-Mail address (I am also sending >this letter to him) > >Andy, I am still haveing problems, and the above 'thomas@eklektik.UUCP' >needs to talk to you about the ICONIFY program he is also beta-testing >for you... as you read, I can get NO res4O5, Muk.ac.aston.vax.spock > I am Willettsac.. On this note, I have been unable to get thru to bsu-cs!aegnor@edu.indiana.cs.iuvax . If he sees this, please mail me and let me know if this is a uucp or bitnet address. I can reach places like berkeley with BITNET%"username@berkeley.edu" or similar. Sorry it's so pathetically old-fashioned, but that's (our) vms for you! >Hey, have YOU gotten that Iconify program to EVEN work? >I received a program called 'SetColors' for Andy that was supp3P$our NOT a user... >Here is what I tried to send.... > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >From root@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK Wed Apr 18 01:05:48 1990 >The NIFTP process was unable to >deliver your mail to host uk.ac.aston.spock >over janet. > >The reason given by the remote host was: > > >Got a QR(21) >Unknown username WILLETSAC at site UK.AC.ASTON.VAX.SPOCK, mail was not delivered. > > >Your message was not delivered to the following addresses: > WILLETSAC@2QWsfm SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2949; Tue, 24 Apr 90 01:24:13 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1320; Tue, 24 Apr 90 01:24:34 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 15:08:30 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: WILLETTSAC@KIRK.VAX.ASTON.AC.UK Subject: My ICONIFY program.. To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >Lets try this again.,.. YOUR node now sez y1Rer: Info-Amiga List From: Abe Subject: search for ka To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas hi, is there anyone from Karlsruhe, West-Germany on this net who want's to get in contact with me? I'm not connected to the net via my A500 and I want contact to someone who is. Bye, Abe *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: fro0S------------------------------------------ Peter Brickman Latham, New York, USA Bitnet: BRICKMPD@SNYCENVM.BITNET *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2865; Mon, 23 Apr 90 18:08:26 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 7360; Mon, 23 Apr 90 18:08:50 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 18:02:00 LCL Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Send/Tttasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 21 Apr 90 08:40:00 EST from I'll believe it when I see it!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to Real Soon Now: IBIWISI (I'll Believe It When I See It) ......................................................................... There is nothing more useless than Dung (Deng) Xiaoping The "Peoples Republic" is neither. -------------------------------.UWh from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2845; Mon, 23 Apr 90 17:13:07 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6799; Mon, 23 Apr 90 17:13:37 O Date: Mon, 23 Apr 90 10:34:59 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: PETER BRICKMAN Subject: Re: BYTE has the 3000 on the cover! To: Espen Ou-VdM Boot ROM Docs To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas hello, does anybody know, where i can find documentation on the boot-rom of the a1000. my special question is: are in the boot-rom time-loops or other dirty things which would give problems by using faster processors in the a1000. juergen wentz karlruhe, west-germany iak111 at dkakfk3 *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received:,WMrrNet.Edu // \\// Only Amiga Makes It Possible *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2737; Sun, 22 Apr 90 23:06:29 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0353; Sun, 22 Apr 90 23:07:09 O Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 22:56:49 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: IAK111@DKAKFK3 Subject:+X that the machine is a definite step in the right direction for C=. > >What's the general opinion??? > >Doug Wow! How about that, the Amiga actually gets press coverage with a new machine. How about network news. (Hey, if NeXT can do it.) Great. NOw we can worry less about Amiga sales due our FREE advertising. "From ghoulies and ghosties and long-leggedly beasties and things that go boomp in the night, good lord deliver us."-Scottish prayer. -- Carwil James ID:AB980@Cleveland.Free*Y@9yts, I just saw (and purchased) the latest >issue of BYTE magazine which ON THE COVER HAS > > "Mainstream Amiga!" New Amiga 3000. For BYTE to cover the amiga on the >cover has got to be a first. The article states a lot of the rumors that >we've been hearing (networking cards, new Workbench called 2.0) Also, they >state that Commodore is addressing compatibility issues with the new OS. Any >program that follows the Amiga programming rules "will work with 2.0" The >author says)ZO.EDU> Subject: Re: BYTE has the 3000 on the cover! X-To: SUTTON%BRANDEIS.BITNET@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU X-cc: I-Amiga%rutvm1.BITNET@cunyvm.CUNY.Edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > >I just saw this on the GEnie bulletin board. I can't wait to see >BYTE! > >SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET > >------------ >Category 15, Topic 24 >Message 91 Fri Apr 20, 1990 >D.WAER [D.Waer] at 18:52 MDT > >SOOOOOOOO!!! In all of the argumen([ݫ================================================================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2728; Sun, 22 Apr 90 20:53:12 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9523; Sun, 22 Apr 90 20:40:37 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 09:13:06 -0400 Reply-To: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Carwil James On the subject of things plugging into the A500's 'trapdoor' slot.. Apparently some company has made a bridgeboard-equivalent that plugs in there. I'd like to know how this is done, taking into account that: a) The only lines going to the trapdoor are memory address/data lines and a few control lines to control the clock. b) Any PC programs can't have their own disk drive like on the$_׆s It Possible *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2726; Sun, 22 Apr 90 20:53:06 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9295; Sun, 22 Apr 90 20:34:23 O Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:25:21 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: ST4012704@PRIME-A.OXFORD-POLY.AC.UK Subject: bridgeb#`)(ep in the right direction for C=. > >What's the general opinion??? > >Doug Wow! How about that, the Amiga actually gets press coverage with a new machine. How about network news. (Hey, if NeXT can do it.) Great. NOw we can worry less about Amiga sales due our FREE advertising. "From ghoulies and ghosties and long-leggedly beasties and things that go boomp in the night, good lord deliver us."-Scottish prayer. -- Carwil James ID:AB980@Cleveland.FreeNet.Edu // \\// Only Amiga Make"ae latest >issue of BYTE magazine which ON THE COVER HAS > > "Mainstream Amiga!" New Amiga 3000. For BYTE to cover the amiga on the >cover has got to be a first. The article states a lot of the rumors that >we've been hearing (networking cards, new Workbench called 2.0) Also, they >state that Commodore is addressing compatibility issues with the new OS. Any >program that follows the Amiga programming rules "will work with 2.0" The >author says that the machine is a definite st!b%he 3000 on the cover! X-To: SUTTON%BRANDEIS.BITNET@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU X-cc: I-Amiga%rutvm1.BITNET@cunyvm.CUNY.Edu To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > >I just saw this on the GEnie bulletin board. I can't wait to see >BYTE! > >SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET > >------------ >Category 15, Topic 24 >Message 91 Fri Apr 20, 1990 >D.WAER [D.Waer] at 18:52 MDT > >SOOOOOOOO!!! In all of the arguments, I just saw (and purchased) th cwpi=============================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2719; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:47:58 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6936; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:45:43 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 09:13:06 -0400 Reply-To: ab980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Carwil James Subject: Re: BYTE has td/uncement this coming week, but it has crept out in a few places (apparently Minneapolis is one place they are on sale now). >For BYTE to cover the amiga on the cover has got to be a first. What short memories they have! August 1985 had the A1000 on the cover. I've still got mine (the BYTE issue and the A1000 -- but the A3000 may get me to part with the latter :-). -Dan Riley (dsr@crnlns) -Wilson Lab, Cornell University *:MSGHDR_13 =================================================e7 rwarded by CRNLNS/FMAIL v2.0 Comment: REPLY may not work. Comment: Network-Source: _LNS62::DSR (HEPnet/SPAN) Comment: Originally-From: DSR "Dan Riley" Comment: Originally-To: JNET%"i-amiga@ubvm" >SOOOOOOOO!!! In all of the arguments, I just saw (and purchased) the latest >issue of BYTE magazine which ON THE COVER HAS > > "Mainstream Amiga!" New Amiga 3000. I've seen this confirmed on BIX too. The May BYTE wasn't supposed to be released until after the official annof)\ (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2717; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:23:46 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6854; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:23:48 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 17:16:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: DSR@CRNLNS Subject: Re: BYTE has the 3000 on the cover! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Comment: fogVe've been hearing (networking cards, new Workbench called 2.0) Also, they state that Commodore is addressing compatibility issues with the new OS. Any program that follows the Amiga programming rules "will work with 2.0" The author says that the machine is a definite step in the right direction for C=. What's the general opinion??? Doug ------------ *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.noh= I just saw this on the GEnie bulletin board. I can't wait to see BYTE! SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET ------------ Category 15, Topic 24 Message 91 Fri Apr 20, 1990 D.WAER [D.Waer] at 18:52 MDT SOOOOOOOO!!! In all of the arguments, I just saw (and purchased) the latest issue of BYTE magazine which ON THE COVER HAS "Mainstream Amiga!" New Amiga 3000. For BYTE to cover the amiga on the cover has got to be a first. The article states a lot of the rumors that wiE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2715; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:23:04 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6833; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:23:21 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 08:40:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: SUTTON@BRANDEIS Subject: BYTE has the 3000 on the cover! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas j|rtasight Lyngaas I have a Xetec external 30meg hard drive for my Amiga 500. They say you can add up to 8 megs on an "optional" board but the simms must be socketed. Right now, I have 1 meg in the computer (A501). What is this optional board and what do they mean by socketed simms? Are they any different than the normal Amiga/Mac simms? *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.Sk-=== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2713; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:22:38 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6819; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:23:02 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 16:17:16 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: andrew senft Subject: Re: 2 QUESTIONS To: Espen Outl:UESTIONS To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I have a Xetec external 30meg hard drive for my Amiga 500. They say you can add up to 8 megs on an "optional" board but the simms must be socketed. Right now, I have 1 meg in the computer (A501). What is this optional board and what do they mean by socketed simms? Are they any different than the normal Amiga/Mac simms? *:MSGHDR_10 =============================================================================m.=================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2711; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:22:13 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6803; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:22:45 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 16:17:16 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: andrew senft Subject: Re: 2 Qn?002@NOBIVM.BITNET> Does anybody have a catalogue of these? I lost my copy. ********************************************************** * Tom Hayko * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore /// * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_9 =============================================oaղSE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2709; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:08:29 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6633; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:08:55 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 14:18:28 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: Fred Fish disk 331-340? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Tom J Hayko Subject: Fred Fish disk 331-340? To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Does anybody have a catalogue of these? I r#hips = 2 megs. But the chips are bigger so they will not fit into the A501, not that they would work in it anyway. Also, these boards utilize a Gary chip adaptor which tricks the Gary chip into recognizing more than 512K on that bus. Oh, well. Time to eat. Later! Rob *:MSGHDR_7 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2707; Sun, 22 Apr 90 smthat certain bus, where the 501 plugs up. Even if it could "see" more than 512K, you would need a bigger board for more chips. Those 256K X 1's are small: you need 16 per half-meg. For example, a 2 meg board would need 64 chips! Quite a power drain/heat generator. Your best bet would be to sell your A501 and buy one of the many third-party memory boards on the market today. These are made to go into the A501 slot, but give you up to 2 megs. They use 256K X 4's, where 16 ct4 4j modify an AMIGA 500 motherboard with a super agnus to have one meg of chip ram? Well, Greg, as far as I know, you can't modify the motherboard. There was a certain release of the CBM A500 motherboard that could be modified, under certain rules, but it is rare and I don't remember which mag I read it in. Sorry. And about the second question, "modifying the A501 board to hold more than half a meg", this is also not possible. The Gary chip will only recognize 512K on uRN (Mailer R2.05) id 6549; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:06:03 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 23:01:47 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Z5614780 Subject: 2 QUESTIONS To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas >Hello! >Could someone PLEASE tell me the answer to these two Questions: >1) How do you vE3ultitask? What kind of coprocessors does it have? Two more questions: Has Commodore lost the European market? If not, can Europe sustain them through troubled times? Curios About Many Things PS: I still can't imagine myself ever buying an apple anything. But, who knows... *:MSGHDR_6 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2705; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:05:35 CET Received: by SEA wList Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: GR4302@SIUCVMB Subject: re:Might as well... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Mac relies alot on speed and roms. The complexity of the Amiga make it harder to upgrade, but Mac has its brick walls too. How long can mac keep making their original design fatter? Is there something about the new Mac that I don't know about? Will the Mac OS really m x &rb Brown Math Dept The Univ at Albany Albany NY 12222 hibrown@cs.albany.edu hb136@leah.albany.edu *:MSGHDR_5 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2703; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:04:52 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6530; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:05:27 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 22:41:25 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga  y"I- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: HB136@ALBNYVMS Subject: Re: DGplot To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas David, have you tried contacting the author of SuperPlot? Perhaps he can tell you where DGPlot might be ftp'able. I would appreciate playing with a copy of SuperPlot if you can find time to send it to me. We will be using various plotting pgms in our Amiga classroom and I'm trying to look at as many as possible. Thanks.... He zUCJ Customer Service Department. Rob *:MSGHDR_4 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2701; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:04:31 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 6514; Sun, 22 Apr 90 18:05:09 O Date: Sat, 21 Apr 90 07:15:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -{̨SMTP id 2640; Sat, 21 Apr 90 09:02:21 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1351; Sat, 21 Apr 90 09:02:58 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 22:48:04 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Z5614780 Subject: Commodore contacts! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I didn't think Commodore HAD a|, ----+-----------------------------------+ | LEON D. SHANER \BBS: AMIGA BITSWAP CENTRAL DISPATCH\ | EE UNDER GRAD. \ (906)487-0006 <-AMIGA ONLY! \ | MICHIGAN TECHNOLOGICAL UNIVERSITY \ FREE! - 24 HOURS - 80 MB \ +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ *:MSGHDR_3 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with B}h00 for this thing and it is awesome! It handles all display resolutions including all those that will appear in WB1.4/2.0 It will also work with flicker fixer, a VCR, TTL video sources, analog or digital, in all the popular scan rates....Make sure you get the 14" version... the 16" versio will not scan low enough for some Amiga modes.... You can ever overlay a composite video signal onto your Amiga's display, kind like a poor man's GenLock.... --Leon +----------------------------~QtZMOREHOUS@UNB.CA> I bought the Mitsubishi Diamondscan...I've heard from a very reliable source that even though Mitsubishi says it will only do 800x600, it will do 1400x900 easily and that it should do twice what they say...I asked what the maximum non-interlaced res was and he said he had run it at a vertical res of 480 but hadn't tried higher...well 600 is what Mitsubishi says it will do, 480 is probably just the 'Productivity Mode' limitation on the Amiga.... I only paid about $5O: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0287; Sat, 21 Apr 90 03:18:09 O Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 18:30:18 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Leon D. Shaner" Subject: Re: MultiSync Monitors and Amiga Sales To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Apr 90 17:30:14 ADT from <pwpy (UUENCODE'd and ZOO'd please). Barring this, does anyone know where I can get DGplot? Thank you, David Aschbrenner DA3721A@DRAKE Drake University Des Moines, IA *:MSGHDR_2 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2636; Sat, 21 Apr 90 03:18:11 CET Received~qO@DRAKE Subject: DGplot To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I recently got a freeware program called SuperPlot which allows the user to graph data points. This program is VERY good. The only problem that I'm having is that I need a seperate program called DGplot to print the graph(s) to my dot matrix printer. Thus far I have been unable to locate this program. If anyone out there has this program, I would very much appreciate if you could send me a co"y'*:MSGHDR_1 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 2634; Sat, 21 Apr 90 03:17:32 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0270; Sat, 21 Apr 90 03:17:42 O Date: Fri, 20 Apr 90 16:15:00 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: DA3721Aq?tM8163@SYS.UEA.AC.UK University of East Anglia, Norwich England. umber 7, the HD, number 0 and the second > controler, number 6, Is this will work (without smoke :-) ) ? > > thanks for yours answers ! Yes and no. You endanger your disk if you have two WRITE mounts on same partition. If not, all is fine. (Original SASI was extended to SCSI to have multi-master capability, also this is what is done daily on IBM mainframe environments. Just avoid simultaneous WRITE mounpave got an A2000 Rev. 6.0 and apparently there is a bug in the motherboard which causes it not to work properly with (third party) SCSI controllers and RAM expansions. It must be a minor bug since I know that in the UK Commodore fixes this for free. I bought mine in Holland and I would like to know if there is someone out there who knows how to fix it. - Also, does anyone know the difference between Rev. 6.1 and 6.2 ? Thanks, Peter Vlietstra CMPodr Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 11:21:36 BST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "P.N.J. Vlietstra" Subject: Questions about the A2000 To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello there, This may sound uninteresting with all this Amiga 3000 stuff going round the network at the present time, but I would like to know a few things about the A2000 : - I hnpts...) I plan to do this with my own machines - few of them, one 600M disk, several masters on it. > MArco Lessard > Universite Laval > QUEBEC, CANADA > 1310000@LAVALVX1 /Matti Aarnio OH1MQK *:MSGHDR_24 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3643; Thu, 26 Apr 90 13:14:34 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2800; Thu, 26 Apr 90 13:09:17 OmsGaike to share my HD with 2 > Amigas. If the first controler is number 7, the HD, number 0 and the second > controler, number 6, Is this will work (without smoke :-) ) ? > > thanks for yours answers ! Yes and no. You endanger your disk if you have two WRITE mounts on same partition. If not, all is fine. (Original SASI was extended to SCSI to have multi-master capability, also this is what is done daily on IBM mainframe environments. Just avoid simultaneous WRITE mounl" Thu, 26 Apr 90 10:18:42 EET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: mea@MEA.UTU.FI Subject: Re: SCSI Interface To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: <9004260808.AA04905@mea.utu.fi>; from "1310000@LAVALVX1.BITNET" at Apr 25, 90 10:45 pm > Here is my question: Is it possible to interface 2 SCSI controlers > and 1 Hard disk in the same chain ? I would lkK------------------------------------------------------------ COMPANY INFORMATION Commodore Business Machines, Inc. 1600 Wilson Dr. West Chester, PA 19380 (215) 431-9100 Enter bulletin number (Q to Quit): *:MSGHDR_23 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3641; Thu, 26 Apr 90 13:14:31 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 2556; Thu, 26 Apr 90 12:59:49 O Date: j-!shes in education, government, and productivity, Commodore has at last outlined a strategy that takes advantage of the Amiga's strengths. With the Amiga 3000, it has produced the most capable multimedia platform you can get in a single box. If the machine were the only criterion, I'd already call Commodore's strategy a success. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Ryan is a BYTE technical editor. You can reach him on BIX as "b.ryan." ----------i]$~s, in large part by providing Unix in addition to the new networking products. It is actively porting Unix System V.4 to the Amiga. Even with the additional cost of the operating system, the Amiga 3000 will make an inexpensive, yet powerful, Unix workstation. Finally, Commodore hopes to maintain a large share of the home/personal productivityy market, primarily through sales of the Amiga 500 and low-end versions of the Amiga 2000. With a primary focus in multimedia and secondary puh9j? System server software (X/11 from GfxBase). By the middle of this year, it will mean TCP/IP-NFS and NetWare client software. Beyond that, Commodore has plans to support ARCnet and FlashTalk hardware and assorted network operating systems. The company also hopes that, by increasing its penetration into businesses through networking and multimedia, it will attract more mainstream developers to the system. Commodore is also actively pursuing the higher-education and government marketg$es the Amiga's multimedia capabilities will provide the kind of entree that desktop publishing gave to the Macintosh. Central to the company's business push is AmigaVision, a icon-based authoring system that lets anyone create interactive multimedia applications. Also, Commodore is finally acknowledging the importance of networking by providing software and hardware solutions, either directly or through third parties. For the short term, this means Ethernet and third-party X Windowf' be upgraded with the enhanced chip set and run OS 2.0, programs written for the 3000 will also run on most of the Amiga installed base of nearly 1.5 million machines. A New Beginning? The Amiga 3000 is an impressive machine, and Commodore is supplying it with strong support. In addition to the 3000, Commodore is preparing well over a dozen new hardware and software products designed to position the machine in a few key markets. The first of these is business, where Commodore hope0U software written for earlier versions of the operating system. According to Commodore, programs that abide by the rules will run under 2.0. However, Commodore knows that everyone didn't follow all the rules, and the company is working with developers to fix software that may break under 2.0. Currently, the Amiga has a good-size software base, although it is skewed toward graphics and video applications, as opposed to mainstream business programs. Because the Amiga 500 and 2000 cand#andard file and font requesters with the Amiga. In addition, it is supplying a gadget toolkit. This lets you integrate custom gadgets into the Intuition windowing system. It also provides an object-oriented interface to gadget programming. Finally, 2.0 provides a "hotlink" service that notifies your program about events of interest to it. This is particularly useful when you change a Preference setting that your program must be aware of. Commodore designed 2.0 to be compatible withc=linto it, and many new and improved utilities. In addition, Commodore has integrated ARexx into the operating system. ARexx is a macro language that lets you share data between two or more Amiga programs equipped with ARexx message ports. (Such ports have lately become de rigueur on Amiga applications.) ARexx allows you to create "meta-applications" using stand-alone Amiga programs. Amiga OS 2.0 also has a lot of new goodies for programmers. First, Commodore is at last including stb5 the improvements in Workbench are enhanced Preferences tools for setting your system configuration, new Workbench menus, alternate window views, Adobe fonts, bit-map font scaling, horizontal and vertical scrolling of the Workbench screen, a new front-to-back gadget, a new window-selection procedure, the ability to view files that lack .info files, the ability to execute AmigaDOS commands without using the AmigaDOS shell, the ability to start an application by "dropping" a data file a˦V was easy to forget the sophisticated hardware and software that lay beneath it. The Amiga 3000 uses version 2.0 of the Amiga operating system. With this version, Commodore has reworked both the look and the functionality of the Workbench interface by upgrading or rewriting most of the underlying system software. The result is a new interface that can hold its own against any GUI on the market. It provides consistent and easy access to the multitasking ability of the Amiga. Among` jLserves the same function. It permits you to upgrade the 3000 with a next-generation processor -- in this case, the 68040 and its descendants. You could also use it to hold a large external memory cache for the on-board 68030. Cleaning Up Workbench In the past, many people dismissed the Amiga as an unprofessional machine because of the look of its Workbench interface. When all you saw was a four-color, 640- by 200-pixel screen with visible scan lines between each row of pixels, it_atibility with earlier monitors and other video equipment. Its signal doesn't run through the deinterlace\scan doubling hardware. The VGA port, which is connected to the new display hardware, drives any standard VGA monitor. You can disable this hardware -- or adjust its output -- using two controls on the back of the machine. The most significant expansion connector in the Amiga 3000 is a 200- pin CPU slot. Although it's incompatible with the 86-pin CPU slot on the Amiga 2000, it ^;ۄLect access to the Amiga video-output signals. It is useful for devices such as video-effects generators and gen- locks. The Amiga 3000 also supplies several standard I/O ports. The keyboard and two mouse ports are located on the right side of the machine. On the back are a parallel port, a serial port, a floppy disk drive port, a SCSI port, two audio ports, a 15.75-kHz RGB video port, and a 31.5-kHz VGA video port. The RGB port is identical to those on earlier Amigas, ensuring comp]!. The backplane lets expansion hardware automatically configure itself during start-up and supplies DMA access to the motherboard. The backplane supplies four Zorro 3 expansion slots. In addition, the backplane has two AT-compatible slots in line with two of the Zorro slots, and a video slot in line with a third. You use the AT slots in conjunction with the BridgeBoard cards from Commodore, which provide the Amiga with XT and AT compatibility. The video slot gives expansion cards dir\of fast RAM to the empty chip RAM sockets to give you the maximum 2 MB of chip RAM. The Amiga 3000 comes with a standard Amiga 3-1/2-inch 880K-byte floppy disk drive and an internal 3-1/2-inch 40-MB 19-ms SCSI hard disk drive. (The 25 MHz model is also available with a 100 MB hard disk for $4499.) You can also mount internally another 3-1/2-inch disk drive -- floppy or hard. Expanding Your System The expansion backplane on the Amiga 3000 attaches to two sockets on the motherboard[Ƚswait-state performance. Under ideal circumstances, the page mode can reach transfer rates of over 33 MB per second. The Ramsey chip determines which mode is appropriate for any particularr memory access. The megabyte of chip RAM in the system comes in the familiar DIP packaging, and the motherboard contains sockets for another megabyte. The megabyte of fast RAM on the motherboard also comes in socketed DIP chips. When you upgrade your fast RAM using ZIP packs, you move the originalZ+1M -- 1 MB of chip RAM and 1 MB of fast RAM. It also comes with sockets that can hold up to 4 MB of fast RAM using 4 by 256K-bit paged or static-column zig-zag in-line packages, or 16 MB using 4 by 1-megabit ZIPs. The Amiga 3000 doesn't use a large external cache to speed memory access by the 68030. It does, however, handle both burst-mode and page-mode access to fast RAM. A standard memory access to fast RAM involves two wait states, while burst mode can result effectively in zero-Yz a DMA controller. The DMA controller works in conjunction with a SCSI controller chip to provide 32-bit DMA for SCSI I/O devices such as hard disk drives. The Amiga 3000 uses 512K bytes of ROM to hold the multitasking executive, system libraries, and disk operating system. Commodore also plans to upgrade the Amiga 500's and the Amiga 2000's ROMs to 512K bytes. The RAM controller -- dubbed Ramsey -- manages access to fast RAM on the motherboard. The Amiga 3000 comes with 2 MB of RAXҍyr 8- and 24-bit color to remain competitive. Amiga Product Manager Keith Masavage wouldn't comment on Commodore's plans in this area other than to say that "both short-term and long-term solutions are in the works." Motherboard Tour The Amiga 3000 motherboard reflects a high degree of integration. In addition to the enhanced Agnus and Denise chips, the motherboard contains eight other proprietary chips fabricated by Commodore. These include a bus controller, a RAM controller, andWwback is actually an advantage when you use HAM mode for video work; because it can take up to three pixels to change from one color to another, HAM mode is naturally anti-aliasing.) Despite these alternative graphics modes, the lack of native 8- and 24-bit color on the Amiga is a concern. Such capabilities will be necessary for next-generation video and multimedia applications and are already available for many of the Macintosh, MS-DOS, and Unix machines. The Amiga must provide foV==bapabilities.) Palette limitations on the Amiga 3000 are the same as for earlier Amigas: 32 colors in low resolution and 16 in high resolution, of a possible 4096. Techniques such as extra half-bright, dynamic high-resolution, and hold-and-modify let you increase the number of colors on screen (up to 4096 in the case of HAM), but they either force you to swap palettes on the fly -- a serious drain on system bandwidth -- or don't let you define each pixel independently. (The latter draUqW(y use high resolution (640 by 400 pixels) without additional hardware. Although the new capabilities of the graphics system are significant, they don't address the larger question of how to upgrade Amiga graphics to 8- and 24-bit color while maintaining compatibility with current graphics software. (The tight coupling of the graphics system and the Amiga CPU, which gives the machine its superior graphics performance, ironically also makes it more difficult to upgrade the graphics cT{iphics system is a deinterlacing/scan doubling capability, which takes interlaced high-resolution screens and outputs them without flicker to a 31.5-kHz VGA monitor. It also eliminates the black scan lines between rows of pixels on both low- and high- resolution displays. As a result, the Amiga 3000 produces a rock- steady high-resolution display. Unlike earlier Amigas, which by default ran the Workbench interface in medium resolution (640 by 200 pixels), the Amiga 3000 can effectivelS?*The new Agnus chip doubles the amount of accessible chip RAM to 2 megabytes. (In Amiga parlance, chip RAM is memory accessible by both the CPU and the custom chips. It is used primarily to hold graphics and sound data that gets massaged by the custom chips. Memory available to the CPU exclusively -- and used primarily to hold executable code and non- display data -- is called fast RAM.) The only chip not upgraded is Paula, which provides the Amiga's four-voice sound. New to the graRd version of the custom chip set that defines the Amiga line. The enhanced Denise chip can output up to 1280 horizontal pixels in four colors, and it sports a new 640- by 480-pixel-resolution productivity mode. (Unlike other high-resolution modes on the Amiga, the productivityy mode is not interlaced, and it is limited to four colors.) Being programmable, Denise lets you mix different horizontal and vertical resolutions and provides the overscanning necessary for video applications. QZ C)-compatible 7.14-MHz clock, all the internal pathways in the Amiga 3000 are 32 bits wide and use the processor's clock. Commodore has also managed to make the external I/O bus capable of 32-bit transfers without losing compatibility with 16-bit peripheral cards. The I/O bus -- called Zorro 3 -- multiplexes the address and data lines for I/O cards capable of 32-bit transfers, while treating 16-bit Zorro 2 cards normally. Goodbye, Flicker The heart of the Amiga 3000 is an enhanceP3000 a formidable entry into the multimedia marketplace. More? [Y/n/c] Bits and Pieces The Amiga 3000's two models are the 3000/16, a 68030/68881-base machine running at 16 MHz, and the 3000/25, a 68030/68882 machine that runs at 25 MHz. Except for clocks and coprocessors, the models are identical. The Amiga 3000 is the first Amiga with a native 32-bit architecture. With the exception of the graphics system, which uses a 16-bit bus and a National Television System Committee (NTSOm2staked its claim to the emerging multimedia market. The centerpiece of the company's strategy is a new, 68030-based computer, the Amiga 3000. The Amiga 3000 has many impressive features, the best of which may be its price. With the 16-MHz model selling for $3299 and the 25-MHz version fetching a mere $3999, the new system costs nearly $3000 less than a comparably equipped Mac IIci. This aggressive pricing, combined with the new look and capabilities of the machine, makes the Amiga N c6 ---------- Commodore Sets Course For Multimedia with Amiga 3000 Imagine the ideal multimedia platform. It would have impressive graphics and sound, be easy to use, and work transparently with sophisticated video equipment. Throw in a low-overhead multitasking operating system, and you'd have all the pieces you need to run sophisticated multimedia applications. You'd also have an Amiga from Commodore. Realizing this, Commodore has finally defined a focus for the Amiga line and Mvu, 26 Apr 90 11:39:34 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 00:25:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: FARQUHAR@SNYSYRV1 Subject: More 3000 News! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Heres some more news of the 3000!!!! 10 ========== microbytes/features #256, from microbytes, 14305 chars, Tue Apr 24 16:47:05 1990LĶ(Q to Quit): VANGUARD MEDIA is an electronic conference (BBS) for those involved in the Graphic Arts Community there data Number is: ATDT94795445 ATDT17182760246 Oops! Sorry about that!! Their Data Number is (718) 276-0246 -Sean Farquharson *:MSGHDR_22 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3603; Thu, 26 Apr 90 11:40:18 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1558; ThK rhe show, and the new system were impressive, and if Commodore could just get out there and really sell these things to their intended markets, the 3000 is guaranteed to sell like no other computer in recent memory. BRIAN CIRULNICK ============================================================================ Copyright 1990 Vanguard Media Corp. ============================================================================ Enter bulletin number Jrms of Multi-media and video. Amiga has a 66% share of the video market, and Commodore plans to increase that percentage to the point of eclipse). The group of us who had sat so quietly, now broke up to gather around each display booth, and chat with one another about what we had just experienced. One person said to me "If Commodore can market as good as they talk, and the 3000 is all it's cracked up to be, the other two guys are in real trouble." I was forced to agree. TIo end the session, revealed to us were small booths on each side of the stage, each containing a different set-ups of Amigas and accompanying peripherals in different environments of work - There were set-ups geared for the education market, for the CAD-CAM market, and other applications that the Amiga was targeted for because of it's already strong showing in various fields (Harry Copperman's speech also contained information to show that the Amiga was WAY ahead of IBM and MAC in teHb"/nce that in the spirit of really pushing for the mutli- media market, AMIGAVISION would be bundled with every Amiga from this point on - meaning that new purchasers of Amiga's would recieve workbench 2.0, workbench extras and AmigaVision - FREE! This is similar to when Commodore infused new life into the fading C=64 Market by bundling GEOS with the home computers. The announcement of AmigaVision included with every Amiga brought another healthy round of applause from the crowd. TGH]le, easy to use, and just plain fantastic, it could do for Multi-media what postscript fonts did for Desktop publishing. I was VERY impressed by what I saw. Amigavision alows you to import pictures animations in ANY resolution, mix and combine resolutions, etc. It is entirely IFF compatible so animations made in Deluxe Paint will have no problem, and the showanim format is also supported. When the demonstration of Amigavision ended, Harry Copperman returned to the stage to annouF vck a sound icon, assign it to a sound file, and place it on the timeline. Run your sequence. It brings up the picture and the sound. AmigaVision allows you to TELESCOPE a sequence of these icons into one icon (represented by a geodesic sphere) which allows you to build a library of commonly used sequences (your opening logo for instance), and combine libararies in any order. You can always go back and ungroup them to edit a particular library. AmigaVision is so powerful, flexibEw ns to represent various parts of multi-media (a screen icon, for when you want to put something onto the screen -for instance, be it a still picture, an animation or a port control to activate a video related peripheral), and another screen representing the timeline of your presentation. Drag an icon onto the timeline, double click on the icon, and you are presented with a screen requestor which allows to assign a particular file to that icon, be it picture, or animation. Go back, piD]he needs software as powerful as the hardware. Hence, he introduced us to AMIGAVISION... AMIGA-VISION! ============== Amigavision is a powerful multi-media authoring system. This program is so well thought out, it makes the equivelent Macintosh applications look like toys. It's so easy to use, Hypercard might as well be a confusing MS-DOS program. AmigaVision is simplicity itself - Two screens appear as the program starts, a field of IcoCޅthing we've been seeing on the second projection screen - all the animations, all the little files that open up to reveal items, all the graphics that change color when they are named, all of the presentation so far during the day - has been controlled by the Amiga on the podium. The animations are playing off the Harddrive, the video is coming off an Amiga controlled laser disk player. He wants to solidify the Amiga's role as THE difinitive Mulit-media machine and to do this, BJjogy, and user definable resolutions ranging from 320 X 200 to 1280 X 400. Workbench 2.0 also implements AREXX and has a whole new slew of CLI options. NETWORKING - Coming in July is an adapter that allows interfacing, and connecting to ARCNET, ETHERNET, NOVELL, TCP/IP, NFS, and the X-WINDOWS operating system. At this point, Harry introduced C. Lloyd Mahaffey, who's years at Commodore in PA. haven't dulled his Texas accent. He spoke of multi-media, and announced that everyA;ocessor - make the Amiga 3000 the fastest multitasking system available for under $25,000 Workbench 2.0 - which is an improvement over the previously reviewed Workbench 1.4, and looks even better on the 3000, due to it's custom screen rendering chips that "fill in the blanks" between the horizontal scan lines. Also thrown in for good measure are: 4 amiga expansion slots, two pc slots, a video slot, and a cpu slot (note that the bus is a full 32 bit), Scalable bitmap font technol@V~ng at 15 MHZ, the other running at 25 MHZ are available. Comes standard with 40 Meg SCSI harddrive Can access over a gigabyte of ram Motherboard contains 2 megs of CHIP ram, and the motherboard can be populated with 4 meg zip chips - 16 megs of fast ram for a total of 18 megs of ram on the motherboard. 8 CUSTOM chips dedicated to graphics and sound (All previous Amigas had only 3 custom chips), which all act as co-processors, which when combined with the math copr?1990's, that multi-media offered incredible power, but the problem was that there was no computer powerful enough to do true mutli-media. UNTIL NOW! With that, the cover flew off the object on the podium, and the 3000 was revealed publicly for the first time. A small white box, about the size of a MAC II CX, but slimmer, not as tall. "The Gremlin" had alot right about the 3000, but, he left out a few small items. : 68030 + a 68882 math coprocessor. Two versions, one runni>  how his career started with IBM when data entry was the hot thing, and how he moved to Apple just before the Desktop Publishing revolution, and now, here he is at Commodore, just before the Multi-media revolution - and he always sticks with the leader of the field. He discussed how his goal is to re-establish Commodore's leadership in personal computing with the Amiga 3000. More? [Y/n/c] He stressed that multi-media is going to be the hott est marketing concept of the =/a I've ever seen. It showed every bit of wonderful animation, graphics, power, and gloss combined with a "Carribean" style of musical soundtrack that was stunning. When that film faded, the audience exploded with applause. Harry Copperman, Prseident and CEO of Commodore hopped on stage. Behind him, one of the the twin projection screens showed an animation of a file folder opening, containing a file about him, complete with photo. He gave an interesting speech, which started with<M_2e competitor's CPU's right in their serial port" which folowed with "Ouch, is that what you call a warm boot?" etc.. Finally, the curtain lifted, and we were greeted with color bars. A film ran of a goofy professor attempting to expalin multi-media. It was pretty bad. As the professor faded out, the word "On the other hand" appeared, and from this point on the show was incredible. The film to follow the professor can only be described as the single greatest commercial for the Amig;;tthe crowd quieted, man with headsets rushed about. First came some More? [Y/n/c] pretty bad techno-banter over the P/A system, as if we had been patched into the wrong circuit by accident. The techno-speak was preparations for the show, but from the sound of it, you'd think they were launching the space shuttle. The banter turned out to be for our benefit, though, as the techno-talk turned into a badly written script concerning the Amiga and how it was going to "kick th:t3 hey ARE DIFFERENT! The show, which took place in the Palladium, on 14th Street in Manhattan, is not the likeliest place to hold a computer show - the run-down theatre turned Dance-club was the setting stage for an event I'll carry with me for a long time. We were led through the doors onto the dance floor, which was set up with folding chairs, and we took our seats facing the stage. On the stage sat a podium, and ontop of that was something under a cover (Obviously the 3000). As 9yn=========================================== I was invited to attend MultiMedia Live, a Commodore sponsored event to exhume the virtues of their new machine, the Amiga 3000. After reading "The Gremlin"'s article on the 3000 and 1.4, I was prepared to not be impressed, but what impressed me the most is that I WAS IMPRESSED! In short, the 3000, despite the lack of 24 bit color, is one hot machine, and the thing is running Workbench 2.0, which is not to be confused with 1.4, since t8INHUTC> Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: FARQUHAR@SNYSYRV1 Subject: 3000 NEWS!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Here's some news on the Amiga 3000!: 8 DESIGN LINE SCOOP - Read it here first - before BYTE, before AMIGA WORLD! Multimedia LIVE! and the Commodore Amiga 3000 - Amazing! by Brian Cirulnick ==============77nows something about when the 3000 will start to be shipped out ? I heard something that it's supposed to be out sometime in June or July... *:MSGHDR_21 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3601; Thu, 26 Apr 90 11:31:35 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 1454; Thu, 26 Apr 90 11:31:34 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 00:21:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: GARRY@DGIHRZ01 Subject: A3000 shipping date To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Is there anybody out there who k5ngor to operate that? I want know that it can work or not. -- Tim Stark Timothy Stark Bitnet: 11tstark@gallua.bitnet People/Link: T.STARK Gallaudet University Internet: 11tstark@gallux.gallaudet.edu GEnie: T.STARK1 P.O. Box 1453 CIS: 71760,2701 (71760.2701@compuserve.com) 800 Florida Ave., N.E., Washington, DC 20002 "Gallaudet University is the only university for the deaf in the world." *:MSGHDR_20 =================================================================4I-AMIGA@FINHUTC> Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Timothy Stark (Picard)" <11TSTARK@GALLUA> Subject: Amiga bridgeboard card and VGA card X-To: Comp-Sys-Amiga@Ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello Amiga users: I wonder if the VGA card can work with Bridgeboard XT/AT with Amiga 2000 series?? A good friend of mine talked with me about that. Or it require second VGA monit3400 swiss francs = $4000 40Mb HD, 25MHz 68030+68882 Fr. 7000 100Mb HD, 25MHz Fr. 8000 *:MSGHDR_19 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3583; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:24:52 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0246; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:23:08 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:49:00 EST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List <2 Eer 90") in Lausanne, Switzerland, and Commodore are showing an Amiga 3000! Unfortunately, there are so many people around it that it is difficult to examin it closely...I didn't see any interesting program running, except the new workbench, which looks like a poor copy of the NEXT's user interface. A benchmark program showed that this A3000 was 10 times faster than the A1000 (of course, that might not be significant) The prices that are announced: 40Mb HD, 16MHz 68030+68881 for 601 9m SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3581; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:19:50 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0162; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:18:40 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:05:02 N Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: Patrick FAVRE Subject: A3000 in public! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hello guys There is currently a show ("Comput0ĭo.-s: - does it work NOW with any Amiga (with the internal controller)? - is it possible to work with the MS-DOS disks on the Amiga, with "dos tranlators" like Dos-2-Dos, Cross Dos, etc... ? The ideal would be to have comments from somebody having one. Jean-Pierre Moreau 3613MSIM @ LAVALVM1 (on BITNET) *:MSGHDR_18 ================================================================================ Received: fro/Y٪ist Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Jean-Pierre Moreau <3613MSIM@LAVALVM1> Subject: 1.76 Meg 3.5" floppy disk drive announced To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In Amiga World (may 1990, p 27) there is an advertising of a 1.76 Meg (2 X 880K) 3.5" floppy disk drive for the Amiga. It is said to be MS-DOS (1.44 Meg) compatible. Question. Za? thanks for yours answers ! ----------------------- MArco Lessard Universite Laval QUEBEC, CANADA 1310000@LAVALVX1 ----------------------- *:MSGHDR_17 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3577; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:16:33 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0080; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:16:02 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 00:57:31 HAE Reply-To: Info-Amiga L-tList Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: 1310000@LAVALVX1 Subject: SCSI Interface To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Here is my question: Is it possible to interface 2 SCSI controlers and 1 Hard disk in the same chain ? I would like to share my HD with 2 Amigas. If the first controler is number 7, the HD, number 0 and the second controler, number 6, Is this will work (without smoke :-) ) ,wght Lyngaas Here is my question: Is it possible to plug in the same SCSI chain, 2 *:MSGHDR_16 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3575; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:12:14 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0039; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:12:34 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:45:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga +j1========================= Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3573; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:11:51 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 0010; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:12:08 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:38:00 EDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: 1310000@LAVALVX1 Subject: SCSI Interface To: Espen Outtasi*ʣG of their own Disk Routines. I suspect, however, they are also using some of the built in routines as well. I also suspect further that they patch the trackdisk.device before they use it. Brian Wright s36666wb@etsuacad.etsu.edu P.S. Please explain the reason I am wrong more thoroughly next time. Also Could you please leave a name as well. *:MSGHDR_15 =======================================================)ˋE 26 Apr 90 01:52:00 AST from E_Cordero, It is not whether I was right or wrong about the trackdisk.device and A-max. I was refering to compatibility with 2.0 and 1.3. But while on the Subject of A-max. Logic dictates that the writers of A-max have to use some of the lower level routines on the trackdisk.device to use the drive. Yes, A-max does take over the machine. It also uses the disk drives. It is possible that Readysoft wrote all(A, 26 Apr 90 09:11:24 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9892; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:11:45 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 01:30:23 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Brian Wright Subject: Re: 2.0 compatability woes To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 'ͨŪ} Espen Outtasight Lyngaas Hi Amigoids, Can anyone help me? I accidently erased the contents lists for fish disks 341 onwards. Can some kind soul send me another copy? Thanx in advance, Bill (ESC1722@ESOC.BITNET) End of Message *:MSGHDR_14 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3571; Thu&<hDR_13 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3560; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:03:48 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 9442; Thu, 26 Apr 90 08:32:36 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 08:28:07 CET Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List From: "W.H. MORRISON" Subject: Fish Disks 341 onwards To: %Ír R2.05) id 9292; Thu, 26 Apr 90 08:11:06 O Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 01:52:00 AST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: E_CORDERO@UPR1.UPR.CUN.EDU Subject: Re: 2.0 compatability woes To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > Amax patches the trackdisk.device You are wrong.... Amax takes over the machine... *:MSGH$ЕZ} _ Bix: markgood \\\ /// /__| |\/| | | _ /_\ makes it Bitnet: MARKV@UKANVAX \/\/ / | | | | |__| / \ possible... Internet: markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *:MSGHDR_12 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3558; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:03:37 CET Received: by SEARN (Maile#ёeu STILL dont see much beyond 16 of 256K colors. Also 24 bits makes for great pictures, but its tough to do animation just because of the sheer number of bytes you have to move. > SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Gooderum Only... \ Good Cheer !!! Academic Computing Services /// \___________________________ University of Kansas /// /| __" For TV, Video, and art work, color is more important (given 24 bit color, even with 640*480 antialiasing will virtually eliminate pixelization.). On the otherhand, for most of us, I would think resolution and drawing performance would be more important. Fast screen updates, more pixels so those lines and charecters look better, etc. Thats why in the PC world, where most graphics is technical/adminstrative type activity, resolution has continued to creep up (Super VGA etc) but yo!s݈eds 1.1MB. Doing this resolution for 24 bits would need 2.64MB. > I understand that the new > machine can address more memory (greater than the 9 meg cap that we > currently have) and that the ECS will address 1 meg. How much does the > Mac II use to do it's graphics thing? (Without this S/HAM stuff either, by > the way --- I think S/HAM is just an inadequate, slow kludge that I hope we > can do away with in the near future.) Agreed. There are two issues, resolution and colors. ( you need the chip memory to be dual port RAM since the current RAM doesn't have that kind of DMA bandwidth available. Impulse will be shipping a 24 bit video card RSN (by July), so this is good. It will go for ~$900 and work with VGA monitors. At the very least the Amiga needs something like the lowell card with 8 bits color and 24 bit color registers. Actually, it will have 10 bit planes (8 normal plus 2 overlay), but it will be capable of resolutions of up to 1100*800 which ne2ꐏMIGA@RUTVM1 From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Re: How much memory is needed... To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas > How much memory will the custom graphics chips need to be able to address to > have a competitive resolution and 24 bit color? Actually this is simple arithmatic. Try: Bitplanes * HRes * VRes / 8 For 640*400 (a reasonable minimum) you need 768K, so it is theoretically possible, but֪ s36666wb@etsuacad.etsu.edu *:MSGHDR_11 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3554; Thu, 26 Apr 90 07:02:45 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8643; Thu, 26 Apr 90 07:03:13 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 21:16:00 CDT Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-Akwould much prefer to wait until Sept. to get a bug free version. The hardware (A3000) is most likely ready to ship but the OS isn't. If you can't wait you can always become a developer and purchase the developer package from Commodore. That's about the only way to get it early. By the way, since they are only in Beta stages, I suspect that it will be later than September before 2.0 is released. Brian Wright ߾\ WHAT!!!!! September!!!!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 25 Apr 90 11:43:00 CDT from Hello, From all the rumors of 2.0, I have heard that it won't be released until September because the operating system is just in the beta test stage. Some- where around the Beta 4 stage. Correct me if I am wrong. The version that is being shipped to developers is still very buggy. I ٱ_=============================================== Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3548; Thu, 26 Apr 90 07:00:10 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 8099; Thu, 26 Apr 90 06:51:03 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:03:07 CST Reply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: Brian Wright Subject: Re:ڏAMifferent because the hardware is different? This seems less likely, however --- we're all supposed to be compatible with one another, right? Anyway, be happy that they're willing to tell us about it and not make us wait until september to even know that it exists. I still haven't got a look at the new BYTE. I really want to see what the interface looks like --- I already have an idea about what the hardware is. SUTTON@BRANDEIS.BITNET *:MSGHDR_10 =================================|4/hey need some time to work out the details of reproducing the documentation and getting a large enough stock ready to put it on the market. I can't imagine that they can just start it trickling out as they make copies because that would make a lot more people angry because some would have access and some wouldn't (which might encourage piracy, by the way). Another factor might be that they have it running on the 3000 but the version that'll work on the other computers is slightly d$mReply-To: Info-Amiga List Sender: Info-Amiga List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was I-AMIGA@RUTVM1 From: SUTTON@BRANDEIS Subject: RE: WHAT!!!!! September!!!!!! To: Espen Outtasight Lyngaas I thought it was sort-of annoying too. But maybe they're just announcing that the software and hardware is done and is being sent to the disk copiers and manufacturing plant. That is, tn)>/ * * tjhayko@LUSUN.BITNET * knew that) \\\/// * * tjhayko@LAKEHEAD.BITNET * \XX/ * ********************************************************** *:MSGHDR_9 ================================================================================ Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by bi.no (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 3505; Thu, 26 Apr 90 00:55:40 CET Received: by SEARN (Mailer R2.05) id 5497; Thu, 26 Apr 90 00:56:21 O Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 16:23:00 EST ~Qt mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu? I just finished transfering it to my Amiga and the zoo file seems to be corrupt. When I uudecode the file, it's over 400K long, but when I use zoo to list the files in the archive, zoo says the archive is 290K long!! Am I a victim of a bad mailer, or is this file actually bad? Thanks. ********************************************************** * Tom Hayko * only the Amiga /// * * tjhayko@thunder.lakeheadu.ca * (if only Commodore //