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I would like to know about your best recommendations with respect to capacity, price, and reliability. In your opinion, which drive offers the best price/capacity ratio? What would be the optimum storage capacity to get? Please send e-mail to the address in the reply-to field or my signature so $Y&%as to avoid a flame war on the net. (Also because I easily get behind in news-reading). Thanks. -- Dan Howell -- <...!(pyramid|ucbvax)!ucsbcsl!nessus!ivucsb!dan> -- * I think this is it! My address should be relatively permanent now. * ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: andrews@cos.com (Andrew R. Scholnick) Subject: Re: Hard drives for A1000 Message-ID: <15861@cos.%wMEcom> Date: 7 Mar 89 13:23:27 GMT Organization: Corporation for Open Systems, McLean, VA Summary: How about CLtd. In article <561@ivucsb.UUCP>, dan@ivucsb.UUCP (Dan Howell) writes: > Forgive me for not paying attention, but I would like to find out what > people think are the best deals for hard drives for the A1000. I would > like to know about your best recommendations with respect to capacity, > price, and reliability. In your opinion, which drive offers the best > price/capaci&`Qty ratio? My best recommendations are both C-Ltd. drives. The best price/capacity is the Konika 5.25in 10MB removable FLOPPY (ultra high density) drive. It is useful as a backup device and as a 10MB disk drive (I don't know if they can support autoboot). The floppys are $10-12 each (depending on where you purchase them) and the drive is in the $600-700 range. This gives you a (worst case) price of $820 for 100MB of storage (or $1060 for 300MB, $1900 for 1,000MB!!!). Also, I rec'W*Iommend the 33MB drive (I forget what I paid for it). It is a fast, reliable unit, one of which I have been using for over 2 years. > What would be the optimum storage capacity to get? What will you be using the drive for? Graphics/animation - 50MB or more is a good starting amt. Business (small) - 30MB or more is a good starting amt. Business (large) - 50MB or more is a good starting amt. Hobby/Home Stuff (#j^$ - 20MB or more is a good starting amt. (### Please no flames - these are my opinions & not carved-in-stone rules###) - Andrew R. Scholnick @ Corporation for Open Systems, McLean, VA - - andrews@cos.com or uunet, sundc, decuac, hqda-ai, hadron!cos!andrews - Everything I write blame on me, NOT my employer (unless I say so). "Adventure is when you toss your life on the scales of chance and wait for the pointer to stop." - Murray Leinster (First Contact) -------------)ٙ M----------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: billsey@.UUCP (Bill Seymour) Subject: Hard drives for sale! 280MEG for $1K/ea! Message-ID: <1386@.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 89 05:16:00 GMT Organization: Advanced Solutions, Hillsboro, OR I have a bunch of MAXTOR XT-3280S 280M SCSI hard drives for sale. These drives format to 244M with 512 byte sectors. 30ms average access full height 5 1/4 inch. They're rated at 1.5Mbytes/sec burst transfer *0and 900K/sec sustained transfer. They're new drives, but are now out of warranty. The price is $1000 per drive. Send your check/money order to: Bill Seymour 1701 SE Oak Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503) 640-0842 If you wish, I'll test in house and I can format to Amiga file system. Checks cashed when the drive is shipped, not before... -- -Bill Seymour ...tektronix!reed!percival!agora!billsey ...tektronix!sequ+3Ment!blowpig!billsey Creative Microsystems Northwest Amiga Group At Home Sometimes (503) 691-2552 (503) 656-7393 BBS (503) 640-0842 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) Subject: Hard frame info requested... Message-ID: <8903020409.AA23834@jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 2 Mar 89 04:06:09 GMT So folks, what types of hard drives does the HardFrame s, 6upport, in the release software drivers etc... Specifically, I'm wondering if , out of the box, it supports the ST157N and the Connor CP3100 (49 meg and 110 meg respectively) thanks for the info... jdow, if you wanna email the info to me directly the addresses are below... JpC -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan P. Crone CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET cronejp@mcl.UUCP Heisenberg might have been here... ------------------------------ End o-50f Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** hwest Amiga Group At Home Sometimes (503) 691-2552 (503) 656-7393 BBS (503) 640-0842 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) Subject: Hard frame info requested... Message-ID: <8903020409.AA23834@jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 2 Mar 89 04:06:09 GMT So folks, what types of hard drives does the HardFrame s">load in high res screens that life slows down somewhat. Big deal? There are so many workarounds to this, including loading it to a different screen, or having a lo-res screen in front, that complaining about it is worthless. Sure, it *would* be nice to see no slow down. But the 2090a is so incredibly fast the rest of the time, that it doesn't really matter. Perhaps if you were doing animation, and had to constantly display high res AND page/swap/load from disk, you may be annoyed#|`\B. Aside from that, I don't understand the problem. Besides, what else would you do? I don't think you can use the bus by more than one device at a time, and I don't think the memory is dual ported, nor are there dual buses. (Sarcasm? No.) So (correct me if I'm wrong), you really can't get much better. Something has to degrade somewhere. I doubt the problem is inherent to SCSI, as your dealer seems to claim. The 2090a can support 7 SCSI, and 2 st506 drives. I found it trivia$,Odl to install, and have had absolutely NO software problems. Looking around, I found the price ($330ish) competitive for the power I was getting. Tell your dealer he's full of hooey, and get the controller. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: witting@topaz.rutgers.edu (Paul K Willing) Subject: Hard drives for Amiga (esp 2000) Message-ID: Date: 1 Mar 89 22:37:55 GM%^ +T Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. NOTE: The following is a summary of replies concerning my future purchase of an Amiga 2000. I want a Hard Disk, and was inquireing into advantages/disadvantages of the different cards, esp in ref to the new Amiga 2000HD, which came with a CBM 2090A cantroller and HD The 2000HD will sell about $100 less than a system built with third party components. Of course, shop around to find the price diff you will actually be working with&1W. BTW, tech note. SCSI interface transmits 1 byte at a time, ST506 1 bit at a time. ST506 is the IBM standard, SCSI looks to be the new standard. 2000HD- Basic a 2000 with a CBM 2090A Hard Disk Controller and a 40meg HD connected through a ST506 interface, leaving one more ST506 and 6 SCSI connectors open. The 2090A uses a DMA to controll the hard disk, leaving the processor free to do other things. The GVP HardCard is heavily recommended, clearly the best of the established t' Q@hird Party cards. It has been around a while, so all the bugs are gone, but it supposedly relies upon the processor to do a lot of the work. The Quantum Drives are supposedly the Best on the market, and is available in 28ms and 11ms types. Expect it to last twice as long as typical drives. May require EEPROMS to Autoboot. The Microbotics card is impressive, claiming to transfer data at bus speeds (as fast as the Amiga can handle it, not 65mph hiway, 15 mph city ;) It uses a DMA (Ԁ)to controll the drives, leaving the processor free like the 2090A. It is a half sized card, so it can used in expansion boxes, has power hookups for a card mounted drive, and several extra SCSI interfaces. There are a few other points to consider: 1. The CBM card has its own processor, the GVP can bog the processor down if you are working processor intensive tasks, otherwise the GVP is faster. The microbotic is like the CBM card in that it doesnt harass the processor, an)d is the fastest and newest design of the three. 2. The CBM comes pre-installed. The cards should not be hard install, but I understand dammage done by improperly installed cards is not covered by warrantee. But the 3rd party warrantees are tiypically longer, CBM offers only a 90 dayer. This does not apply if you already own an Amiga, but having an authorize service rep install it should keep warranty problems away. It can also put you out another 60 or 70 bucks.  *籓 3. The CBM must boot to the old file system, not the newer fast filing system. While this only affects a small section of the Disk (The rest can be configured fast filing) The others don't have this weakness. K1.3 was designed for autobooting to HD's but some GVP cards may still require additional PROMS. Personally, I'd like the microbotics with the Quantum 11ms, but 1st I gotta check prices. I also want to investigate the possible bug. *I have heard from a few people who o!+|\wn the microbotics, and so far they are extremely happy with them* apologies for repitions, this has been modified to be posted and keep up with current information. Anybody who disagrees or has additions to make is welcome to respond via e-mail. If enough new info of significance is recieved I will post corrections. a soon to be Amiga owner... paul -- "Run, Run, as fast as you can, you cant catch me, Im the": gingerbread man" "Lets do some crimes. Yeah, lets get sushi and not pay" 6 6 Witting@topaz.rutgers.edu `--' ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: dan@ivucsb.UUCP (Dan Howell) Subject: Hard drives for A1000 Message-ID: <561@ivucsb.UUCP> Date: 4 Mar 89 22:08:44 GMT Organization: The Audio Club at UCSB, Isla Vista, Califo -Vz- <-- David Herron; an MMDF guy <-- ska: David le casse\*' rutgers,uunet!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <-- Now I know how Zonker felt when he graduated ... <-- Stop! Wait! I didn't mean to! ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: billsey@agora.UUCP (Bill Seymour) Subject: Re: Hard disk testing stuff -- specifically badblocks Message-ID: <1410@agora.8Q.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 89 22:18:51 GMT Organization: Advanced Solutions, Hillsboro, OR : newsgroup in which to post the question. : : Short version: [Deleted] : Long version: [Mostly deleted] : : I have a hard disk which I'm trying to use on an Amiga 2000. (It's one : of those CDC Wren II's which the guy in Albany is selling). I have an : 2090A controllor board and the standard Amiga DOS software for PREP'ing : and FORMAT'ing disks. The problem is that during the format the : ma/Ochine hangs at Cyl 101 in a way which makes me think it's a bad : block. You could laways find someone with one of the other SCSI controllers for the Amiga that *does* have a real low-level formatting routine... I know that the 2090 doesn't yet. Where you might run into problems is if the Wren II has a different method for handling bad blocks than other controllers... If the Wren II is compatible with one of the other supported drives, you should be able to do a real clean f0ؽormat. I use the Supra on my system, and there are about 20-30 drive/controller combos supported with a very good low-level format routine. : <-- David Herron; an MMDF guy Date: 4 Mar 89 07:11:50 GMT Organization: Wizardess Designs, Hermosa Beach, Ca. Reply-2+30To: jdow@gryphon.COM (J. Dow) Summary: HF is FAST with the right drive. I had to rebuild Diskperf to measure HF speeds with the new puppy I'm running on it. I have picked up a Micropolis 1578 327 meg drive to run on the HF. So far it is the fastest combo I have seen. (It makes the Quantum 80meg drive look slow!) With a 524meg transfer with 3meg files I am getting read speeds up to 983k/ second. Writes are something like 500k+ per second. Alas it does not handle synchronous drives ye30t. (RSN I understand.) It fully autoboots to FFS. (In fact that is pointing up a bug in FFS for files er partitions > 308megs. They ALWAYS revalidate on reboot. This puppy takes a LONG time to revalidate! Ah well - i can live with it.) -- Sometimes a bird in the hand leaves a sticky deposit. Perhaps it were best it remain there in the bush with the other one. @_@ jdow@bix (where else?) Sometimes the dragon wins. Sometimes jdow@gryphon.CTS.COM 4e]M the knight. Does the fair maiden ever backbone!gryphon!jdow win? Surely both the knight and dragon stink. Maybe the maiden should suicide? Better yet - she should get an Amiga and quit playing with dragons and knights. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: GIGUERE@WATCSG5.BITNET (Eric Giguere) Subject: Hard drive & chip contention Message-ID: <8903071906.AA01731@jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 7 Mar 89 19:07:19 GMT X-UNPARSABLE-DA: Tue, 7 Mar 1989 13:43 LCL The local Amiga dealer here is very reluctant about selling me a SCSI drive for my 2000 because he claims that anything more than 2 bitplanes causes mucho contention between the drive and the Amiga's graphics chips and so he doesn't recommend it. *Sigh* Everyone I've talked to has recommended SCSI. So6Yd, how accurate is the dealer's assessment? Someone mentioned the contention problem on the net a couple of days ago, but how bad is it and when exactly does it occur? This is assuming we're using a SCSI drive with a 2090A controller. And I wonder why so few Amiga users have hard disks... Eric Giguere Computer Systems Group, University of Waterloo BITNET: GIGUERE@WATCSG Other: giguere@watcsg.UWaterloo.CA UUNET : watcsg!giguere@uunet.UU.NET ------------------------------ Re!lay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: carpent@coltrane.SRC.Honeywell.COM (Todd Carpenter) Subject: Re: Hard drive & chip contention Message-ID: <18271@srcsip.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 89 20:07:58 GMT IN-REPLY-TO: GIGUERE@WATCSG.BITNET's message of 7 Mar 89 19:07:19 GMT "Bah!" I say. I have a spanking new 2000, with a A2090a screaming happily along, attached to a 206MB Rodime (experimental) 12msec, 12 MHz, SCSI hard disk. Yes, I'll admit that when I 8;5drive & chip contention Hard drives for Amiga (esp 2000) Hard drives for A1000 Re: Hard drives for A1000 Hard drives for sale! 280MEG for $1K/ea! Hard frame info requested... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Subject: Re: Half-ba9xked Ideas, New Projects Message-ID: <92652@sun.uucp> Date: 6 Mar 89 21:49:28 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View Reply-To: cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) In article <15381@cup.portal.com> Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com writes: > I have the problem of too many ideas (3 games in my head right now) and > too little time to implement even 1/4 of them. Since there might be people > out there with more time and fewer ideas, I thought I'd propose this one on > the :Իnet. I used to have this problem too, it was always "gee, if I wrote this it would make a zillion bucks, and I could use it too." These days, I like to throw those ideas out to the Amiga community because a) I know I won't have time to implement them, but b) if someone else does I'd like to use them. > I tend to type fast (83+ on a broken-down Selectric, 90++ on a word- > processor), but even that isn't fast enough to keep up with thought processes > (I get frustrated trying to ;write stories, journals, etc. because I lose the > thought by the time my fingers catch up). This is what a dictaphone was designed for. You dictate to it at upwards of 150 - 250 words/minute and then hand the tape to someone who will transcribe it for you into a document for $20. Really a wonderful device. [I've deleted the idea, which is essentially "word-abbrev" mode in EMACS. This is a nice feature and I believe it is in one of the microEMACS' out there.] --Chuck McManis uuc Date: 3 Mar 89 16:58:06 GMT Organization: School of Computer Science, Acadia Univ., Nova Scotia Is there any program out that will convert HAM pictu=res to .GIF. And if so could someone send one to me if it is public domain. Later Barry Comer ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) Subject: Hard disk testing stuff -- specifically badblocks Message-ID: <11195@s.ms.uky.edu> Date: 7 Mar 89 20:48:53 GMT Organization: U of Ky, Math. Sciences, Lexington KY A question for the assembled masses, one which I do>n't know a proper newsgroup in which to post the question. Short version: I want to know what sorts of software is available for testing hard disks specifically for finding bad blocks, but general testing would be good as well. Long version: I have a hard disk which I'm trying to use on an Amiga 2000. (It's one of those CDC Wren II's which the guy in Albany is selling). I have an 2090A controllor board and the standard Amiga DOS software for PREP'ing and FORMAT'ing disks. The  ?MFOproblem is that during the format the machine hangs at Cyl 101 in a way which makes me think it's a bad block. The machine locks up but not completely -- window's can be brought to the front and the mouse moves for instance, but typed input to the CLI and double clicking on icons don't do the normal things -- as if the machine were heavily loaded doing something. I can easily format this drive on other computers so that's not a problem, and I have very carefully gone over the cable @@<0s. This appears to be a case of differing levels of pickiness on format programs between two computers. The drive itself works fine. On my Unix PC it zips right through the format step and the 'Surface Test' goes on and finds a few bad blocks. Each time through the S.T. it might get lucky and find a few bad blocks. Most of the time it only finds bad blocks that it's already found. It hasn't found all the bad blocks yet (This is after 2 days of testing) listed in the table paste AXd to the drive, and it's found a few *NOT* listed. (BTW, anybody know an incantation to give the 'expert' mode of the 7300 diagnostics so that it'll repeatadly do the surface test without asking questions? I tried "[]," without luck.) The surface test goes through each block writing some fixed (and unchangeable) pattern to each block, and if it reads something different back then it declares it a bad block. This doesn't seem very thorou ,gh to me. What I want is a program which does the same sort of thing but is more thorough. Maybe doing each block repeatadly. Whatever is necessary so that it'll find all/most of the bad blocks on one pass. Also if it could run unattended so that I don't have to type a couple things on the console every hour or two would be really nice. If it's only available for IBM PC type computers I'll grin and bear it through the pains of asking a friend to borrow one of his computers :-) -#C3-du (eric cosky) Subject: getting to UseNet from InterNet. Message-ID: <10752@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 13 Mar 89 18:30:02 GMT I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but here goes (and apologies if it's inappropriate) - 1. How can I get to an address like- ..!ames,decwrl,mit-eddit,osu-cis!killer!elg from internet? I'd like to mail this guy (Eric Lee Green, that is) about Aegis Draw2000, but I have no idea how to do it. If someone$D44 could mail me ANYTHING that could help me understand what his pathname (? is that it?) means, or how I can get to it, I'd be VERY grateful. 2. Is there any software out there to make Amiga's into UseNet nodes? Thanks ... -eric cosky InterNet: 8642420@wwu.edu ATT: 206-733-1331 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com Subject: Graphics Magazines and Amiga Message-ID: <157%E|6/81@cup.portal.com> Date: 13 Mar 89 08:29:08 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) True Imaging is a GRAPHICS magazine for graphics professionals which deals with *practical* solutions to computer graphics applications problems. Up to now coverage has been 100% IBM, but since the Amiga 2000 and 2500 support TrueVision products and TARGA boards, they have recognized that there is an Amiga market there hungry for information. IF YOU WANT TO SEE BETTER COVERAGE OF AMIGA APPLI&Fi;CATIONS IN GRAPHICS MAGAZINES, HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO WRITE AND TELL THEM SO! They pub- lished this in the most recent issue: "Recent strides in technology have increase compati- bility between Amiga/Macintosh and DOS imaging. Would you like to see more applications stories in True IMAGING done with Macintosh and Amiga boards?" The address is: "TrueIMAGING" P.O. Box 1611 'G$ Riverton, NJ 08077-9611 And if you're using Amigas with Targa boards (I KNOW there are people doing this), then offer to write a how-to article for them. I'm sure they would be interested, as I am, in seeing what people are doing. LadyHawke@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: adam@cbmvax.UUCP (Adam Levin CATS) Subject: Hack "Z" to get 80 column text(H|O Message-ID: <6092@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 89 17:26:57 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: adam@cbmvax.UUCP (Adam Levin CATS) Manx's vi editor clone "Z" can be hacked to work with 80 columns of text (rather than its usual 77) on a normal Workbench screen. In the binary code ("Z" version 2.3), two non-critical console control sequences (CCS) can be replaced with CCS that allow text to go from edge to edge of the window. The CCS that are overwritten Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!!!*J byte values are given in hexadecimal. Byte offsets are counted from zero, the first byte of the sector. Both changes take place in the fifth (5th) sector of the file. One sector equals 512 bytes. Count sectors starting with one, not zero. Change the bytes at offsets 0x1bb through 0x1bd from their original values of 0x30, 0x20, 0x70 to the values 0x38, 0x30, 0x75 respectively. This replaces the CCS which tells the console device to turn off the cursor with one which tells it that +KAthe window is 80 characters wide. Change the bytes at offsets 0x1c0 and 0x1c1 from their original values of 0x20, 0x70 to the values 0x30, 0x78. This replaces the CCS which tells the console device to turn on the cursor with one which tells it that text should begin at the very left edge of the window. Save the changes. Each time you start up "Z80", click on the sizing gadget (no need to actually resize the window). This forces the original CON: or RAW: window to be redrawn with,L* the new text limits. Even if you resize the window, these limits will remain in effect. If you resize the window such that it extends from the left side of the screen to midway across the screen, the document will _NOT_ be reformatted to fit in the new width, but instead only the left half of each line will be displayed. This _is_ a hack to get 80 columns, right? Simply resize the window to its full width to be able to edit all the text again. If "Z80" does not open its own win-Fidow for the editing session (by being "Run"), the text limits of the window it was started from will remain at 80 columns even after "Z80" has exited. -- Adam Keith Levin -- CATS Commodore-Amiga Technical Support 1200 Wilson Drive / West Chester, PA 19380 (215) 431-9180 BIX: aklevin UUCP: ...amiga|rutgers|uunet!cbmvax!adam ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** CON: or RAW: window to be redrawn withNk_[ /info-amiga/uxe /pub ucbvax.berkeley.edu 10.2.0.78 /pub/amiga 128.32.133.1 128.32.137.3 ucsd.ucsd.edu 128.54.16.1 /hamradio/karn uunet.uu.net 192.12.141.129 /amiga-sources ; 192.112.141.12 ux.acss.umn.edu 128.101.63.2 /usenix87/Amiga /usenix87/Editors/Emacs/MicroGnu/sys/amiga /useOJJnix87/Editors/Emacs/MicroGnu/tty/amiga uxc.cso.uiuc.edu 10.6.0.94 /utils/cshar 128.174.5.50 uxe.cso.uiuc.edu 128.174.5.54 /amiga /archived_notes/comp.binaries.amiga xanth.cs.odu.edu 128.82.8.1 /usenet /amiga ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mr. Tuna Ertemalp | Mailbox #659 | Small things together | | StanforPxld University | Crothers Memorial Hall | form the quality, | | Computer Science MS | Stanford, CA 94305, USA | But quality is not a | | Ertem@Polya.Stanford.Edu | (415) 328-8515 | small thing! | ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: news@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Net news owner) Subject: Gadgets in Title Bar Message-ID: <1524@csd4.milw.wisc.edu> Date: 12 Mar 89 01:49:51 GMT OrganizatiQ"on: University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Reply-To: trantow@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Jerry J Trantow) Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.tech my window title bars. First problem is although my gadget gets tucked into the window border, when I click on it, the drag bar gets activated. From: trantow@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Jerry J Trantow) The second problem is that although I ModifyIDCMP() so I only get NEWSIZE messages when the user manipulates the sizing gadget, I am still getting messages when I R[IJmove or resize the window for the SHRINK or EXPAND. I appreciate any help. Maybe this "gadget in title bar" could go into the intro posting for comp.sys.amiga.tech if an appropriate responce is put forth. Sorry about the line noise. I thought it was finally time to add Shrink and Expand Window gadgets to some of my programs and I thought I had it all figured out. I thought I could do Move() and SizeWindows() when the gadgets were selected. I also want to keep the original dimensSEions so the user can toggle back and forth from max, min, to original window settings. I figured I could keep track of the SHRINK, EXPAND status with a flag and whenever the user resized the window I would get a NEWSIZE message that would clear the SHRINK or EXPAND flags. My problem is that even though I do a ModifyIDCMP() to turn off the NEWSIZE message when I resize for a SHRINK or EXPAND I still am getting NEWSIZE messages!!! DO I HAVE TO WAIT or GET a MESSAGE or WHAT??? On tT Qm#he same problem, the following declarations put my gadget in the window border, but when I click the gadget it selects the drag bar. I know this question pops up every so often. ( how to put gadgets in the title bar) Maybe an appropriate responce could go into the intro posting. struct Gadget ExpandGadget = (struct Gadget *)NULL, /* NextGadget */ 100,0,10,10, /* dimensions */ (USHORT)GADGIMAGE|GADGHCOMP, /* Flags */U (USHORT)GADGIMMEDIATE|RELVERIFY|TOPBORDER, /* Activation */ (USHORT)BOOLGADGET, /* GadgetType */ (APTR)&g_image, /* GadgetRender */ (APTR)NULL, /* SelectRender */ (struct IntuiText *)NULL, /* GadgetText */ 0L, /* MutualExclude*/ (APTR)NULL, /* SpecialInfo */ (USHORT)EXPANDGAD, /* GadgetID */ (APTR)NULL  Vt{9 /* UserData */ ; struct NewWindow NewProjectWindow= 10,20,400,75, (UBYTE)-1,(UBYTE)-1, (ULONG)0, /* attach the port to BackDrop Window */ (ULONG)REPORTMOUSE|WINDOWSIZING|WINDOWDEPTH| WINDOWCLOSE|WINDOWDRAG|SIMPLE_REFRESH, (struct Gadget *)&ExpandGadget, /* First Gadget */ (struct Image *)NULL, (UBYTE *)"Project Window", NULL,NULL, 200,50,640,195, CUSTOMSCREEN ; case EXPANDGAD: ModifyIDCMP!WM(WPtr,(LONG)WPtr->IDCMPFlags&(~NEWSIZE)); if ((NodePtr->Flags & EXPAND)!=0) /* already Expanded, so restore */ NodePtr->Flags=NodePtr->Flags&(~EXPAND&~SHRINK); SizeWindow(WPtr,(LONG)NodePtr->Width-WPtr->Width, (LONG)NodePtr->Height-WPtr->Height); MoveWindow(WPtr,(LONG)NodePtr->LeftEdge-WPtr->LeftEdge, (LONG)NodePtr->TopEdge-WPtr->TopEdge); else NodePtr->Flags=NodePtr->Flags|EXPAN"B"FD; NodePtr->Flags=NodePtr->Flags&(~SHRINK); MoveWindow(WPtr,(LONG)-WPtr->LeftEdge, (LONG)WPtr->BorderTop-WPtr->TopEdge); SizeWindow(WPtr,(LONG)WPtr->MaxWidth-WPtr->Width, (LONG)WPtr->MaxHeight-WPtr->BorderTop-WPtr->Height); ModifyIDCMP(WPtr,(LONG)WPtr->IDCMPFlags|NEWSIZE); break; ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: 8642420@wwu.e Y\0-------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rokicki@polya.Stanford.EDU (Tomas G. Rokicki) Subject: For Sale: Amiga 1000!!! Message-ID: <7325@polya.Stanford.EDU> Date: 2 Mar 89 05:49:04 GMT Organization: Stanford University ************* for sale $1100 or best offer ******************** amiga a1000 1 megabyte of memory 512k chip 512k on spirit board with clock (expandable to 1.5 meg) color printer-- quadram quadjet (Z:very nice output) mouse keyboard over 50 games! Contact Henry Green ( 4 1 5) 3 2 9 - 1 6 3 2 ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tyager@maxx.UUCP (Tom Yager) Subject: FOR SALE: Amiga 500 1.5MB memory expansion Message-ID: <65@maxx.UUCP> Date: 10 Mar 89 15:28:58 GMT Organization: MAXX Public Access Unix, Westborough, Mass. Spirit [9B:IINBOARD memory expansion module for Amiga 500 computer. Installs easily inside case, leaves expansion slot free for other things. Fully populated with 1.5MB of high-speed RAM. Includes original box, documentation (on disk), and CLImate disk manager program. Asking $650, accepting reasonable offers. Please respond via e-mail to one of the addresses below. Thanks. -- +--Tom Yager---------------------------------------------------------------+ | ARPA: tyager%maxx@m2c.m2c.org (preferred\n) -or- tyager@apollo.com | | I speak only for (and to) myself | +--"I like life; it's something to do."------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jwhitman@st-louis-emh2.army.mil (Jerry Whitman) Subject: FTP of Executables. Message-ID: <10353@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 8 Mar 89 00:38:03 GMT Well, I seem to have a knack for making the si]u("mple difficult. I FTP'd two executable programs at different times this past week, but ran into the same problem with both. This would lead me to think I may have a problem with how I am doing this. Procedure: FTP (Binary Mode) from AMIGA archives at UIUC (Bob Page) to get AMIGA.zoo. Same procedure from XANTH (Tad Guy) to get YABOING!. Both are advertised as the binary version. FTP receiver is Sperry 6000 with UNIX Ver V.2. Later, at home, dial up via VT100 ver 2.6, image mode^.. Start Kermit server on the Sperry 6000 and get one of the binary modules. Transfer is OK. Module size at origin, my host and the AMIGA are the same. Now, try to execute it. THUD!!! Module is not is not an OBJECT type. Do I need to do something as simple as setting a flag to let Amy know it is an executable? If so, how best done?? If not, what do I need to do, or do I need a different approach to the FTP process? Thanks again. Perhaps some day I will get enough experience_E under my belt that these simpleton questions will cease. (Or does it get worse with time and experience?????) Regards Jerry ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ertem@polya.Stanford.EDU (Tuna Ertemalp) Subject: FTP sites Message-ID: <7477@polya.Stanford.EDU> Date: 7 Mar 89 04:47:20 GMT Organization: Stanford University Reply-To: ertem@polya.Stanford.EDU (Tuna Ertemalp) Here is this month's version of lis`gt of FTP-sites. There are two valuable new entries: g.ms.uky.edu and gtss.gatech.edu Have fun. Tuna ------------------------------------------------------------------------- AMIGA FTP-Sites (Mar.5,89) Any IP-address starting with [;] is something which I couldn't verify. Some of them were reported to me by other people, but I never managed to connect to them. The rest is what I am always using. Have fun and keep me informed about any new sites, IP-aa<ddresses, and directories, as well as the ones which have been removed, changed, or manipulated (enough to make this list "old"). I'd appreciate it :-) Tuna Ertemalp. Ertem@Polya.Stanford.Edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name IP-Address(es) Directorie(s) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.cs.uiuc.edu 10.3.0.37 /pub/amiga 128.174.5.20 b 128.174.252.1 ; 192.5.69.1 cs.utah.edu 128.110.4.21 /pub/amiga-forth ; 10.0.0.4 g.ms.uky.edu 128.163.128.7 /alt.sources.amiga /comp.sources.amiga /pub/amiga gtss.gatech.edu 128.61.4.1 /pub ix1.cc.utexas.edu 128.83.1.21 /microlib/amiga ix2.cc.utexas.edu 128.83.1.29 /microlib/amiga j.cc.purdue.edu 128.210.0.3 /comp.binariM $es.amiga 128.210.9.2 /comp.sources.amiga ; 10.1.0.37 louie.udel.edu 192.5.39.3 /pub/amiga 128.175.1.3 /pub/ka9q ; 10.0.0.96 ssyx.ucsc.edu 128.114.133.1 /pub/amiga swan.ulowell.edu 129.63.1.1 /amiga 129.63.224.1 topaz.rutgers.edu 128.6.4.194 /pyr-public/text/mg2/sys/amiga trantor.umd.edu 128.8.10.14 /info-amiga d^W FTP sites Gadgets in Title Bar getting to UseNet from InterNet. Graphics Magazines and Amiga Hack "Z" to get 80 column text ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mdh@cs.warwick.ac.uk (Mark Holroyd) Subject: Re: F/A 18 Interceptor questions Message-ID: <1434@ubu.warwie=ck.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 89 11:40:19 GMT Organization: Computer Science, Warwick University, UK Distribution: comp If you want to reliably drop the pod near the pilot fly at about 1800 ft at a speed on about 50% thrust. Line your self up with the pod in the sea then when it`s just about to pass under you look down and lock your view. As soon as the pod appears on the screen drop the pod - it usually works. As for sinking the carrier - fire all your missliles at the connfIC3ing tower then land on the deck - it should then give the mission complete message. Alternatively I have heard you can also shoot down 5 MiGs and also get the complete the mission that way too. Have fun, Mark. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bob@uel.uel.co.uk (Bob Duncanson) Subject: FFS on a 5" floppy drive Message-ID: <1003@uel.uel.co.uk> Date: 1 Mar 89 15:28:03 GMT Organization:g) AT&T Unix Europe, London, UK Keywords: FFS Mountlist A1020 Well, now that I've got my 1.3 Enhancer package delivered, I'd like to take advantage of FFS to get more data on and speed out of my A1020 5.25" floppy drive (affectionately called DF2:) Can some Mountlist expert out there tell me what to do to make over the DF2: entry to use FFS? (It's no worse than normal on that drive to have to use DiskChange.) I like to put LIBS: and INCLUDE on there when I'm using Lattice; it frees hup space on DF1: and DF2: for source and programs. I tried adding a line for FileSystem that I saw in the FAST: entry, but It didn't work (couldn't find the right handler?) Please mail responses, I sometimes get 500 messages behind in reading this group. Thanks in advance Bob Duncanson ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: as4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Paul Stern) Subject: FONTS Message-ID: Date: 7 Mar 89 05:03:30 GMT Organization: Class of '91, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA I am doing some professional video work, and need some font recommendations. I got the Masterpiece Fonts Demo Disk, which were very impressive, but frankly I don't need 110 fonts. Are there 100+ point fonts available singly? Or in packages under $100? Has anyone bought the $15 font packages from Earthbound Software? Lion's Fonts? ProFonts? Tate Fonts? -Drew -------------j2J%----------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: c152-cb@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Vince Lee) Subject: Re: FONTS Message-ID: <10749@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 7 Mar 89 19:54:13 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Reply-To: c152-cb@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Vince Lee) In article as4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Paul Stern) writes: >I am doing some professional video work, and need some font re k>.commendations. >I got the Masterpiece Fonts Demo Disk, which were very impressive, but >frankly I don't need 110 fonts. > >Are there 100+ point fonts available singly? Or in packages under $100? > >Has anyone bought the $15 font packages from Earthbound Software? >Lion's Fonts? ProFonts? Tate Fonts? > >-Drew You don't need 110 fonts ? actually, i think the masterpiece fonts are the best you can get. I don't know about the earthbound software fonts, but i would stay clear of th l0e lions fonts. they are downright cheezy. if you can use somewhat smaller font sizes, i would suggest calling infinity software and getting their 5-disk font collection. they are actually converted and grouped mac pd fonts and look better than anything we have. unfortunately, they are not for video and so only a few come in really large font sizes ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: thompson@savax.UUC ms56,P (thompson mark) Subject: Re: FONTS Message-ID: <893@savax.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 89 13:50:55 GMT Organization: Disturbing Products Inc. Reply-To: thompson@savax.UUCP (thompson mark) In article as4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew Paul Stern) writes: >Are there 100+ point fonts available singly? Or in packages under $100? > >-Drew You should pick up fish disk 133 or 135 (I forget which), it contains a few dozen fonts ranging in size from 26 to 172 pts. Th X9ey are packed so as to all fit on one disk. Best of all, they cost a great deal less than $100. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark Thompson | | decvax!savax!thompson Designing high performance graphics | | (603)885-9583 silicon today for a better tomorrow. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------#ozyier ? I have had no problem making a backup copy of Falcon using the standard Amigados copy command. The crash you talk about occurs when enter the wrong code from the code wheel. Falcon gives you two chances, if you blow both times, Falcon will load but your plane crashes just after you get in the air. Dan ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: primrod@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Don Primrose) Subject: Re: F-18 In$p݂terceptor Message-ID: <9192@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> Date: 3 Mar 89 03:03:00 GMT Organization: Oregon State University - CS - Corvallis Oregon Reply-To: primrod@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU.UUCP (Don Primrose) Distribution: comp >>played many. The game is apperently quite accurate in its simulation, >>except the joystick on a real F-16 is sensistive to degrees of tilt. The >>game, due to hardware (?), can only detect direction. This is according to >>an actual F-16 pilot trying the game. > >I'm a%qпfraid I'm not so enthusiastic about the game as I'd like to be. The >scenarios are great, but the joystick control SUCKS!!! F18's controls are >far superior. In F16, the joystick uses an exponentially sensitive control, >which, if you hold it in one direction for any length of time, instantly >puts you in a tailspin. I was a little annoyed at first, but after a >while, I found that I still couldn't get used to the controls. I'd have to agree with you here. The joystick control i&r/,s terrible. Not only does it require a exponential joystick ( which I can't find for the Amiga ), but it also is impossible to turn and pull back at the same time which works for F-18 no problem. In other words, the game does not respond to corner positions on the joystick control which are vital in combat situations! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- = Don Primrose : Oregon State University = = 'sGp primrod@jacobs.cs.orst.edu = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mick@neabbs.UUCP (MICK AGTERBERG) Subject: Re: F-18 Interceptor Message-ID: <111498@neabbs.UUCP> Date: 5 Mar 89 23:09:40 GMT Organization: NEABBS multi-line BBS +31-20-717666 (13x), Amsterdam, Holland have you trie(t03Zd 81 tracks x-copy nible? ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jjoshua@topaz.rutgers.edu (Jon Joshua) Subject: F/A 18 Interceptor questions Message-ID: Date: 27 Feb 89 20:41:17 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Keywords: Sidewinders away! 2 F/A 18 Interceptor questions... 1. What is the most reliable way to lauch the emergency pod? I can't se)u2Cem to drop it close enough to the downed pilot. 2. How do I destroy the enemy carrier? I can hit it with all 6 missiles and even land on it. I just can't seem to blow it up. I can do all of the missions flawlessly except for these 2. Thanks in advance. -- /\ ? ________________ jjoshua@topaz.rutgers.edu \ ____ __ fgu |.signature under| Anything is possible... \ | | / | orywlut- | const*vlruction | ========== gfgsdfsdfsd |________________| _____________________________OO_____O___hfdhksjdhfksjdfs_______||__________||__ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: sanders@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Robert M Sanders) Subject: Re: F/A 18 Interceptor questions Message-ID: <2941@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU> Date: 27 Feb 89 23:38:57 GMT Organization: University of Delaware Reply-To: +w1=sbsanders@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Robert M Sanders) Keywords: Sidewinders away! Re mission 2: I usually power down to 40-50%, nose up at somewhere between 10-60 feet above the deck, and fly right over the pilot. Try using the behind-and-to-one-side view, and back out some so you can see more. It took several missions to get the release point down right. If you miss, there may be enough time to return to a landin,xIg field and reload a pod. Re mission 6: Don't bother to try and sink the carrier. You only have to shoot down the MiG's that you see (around 4 migs). They usually come in two waves of 2 migs each. Splash them, and you should see the 'return to base, misson accomplished' message. Good Luck! Rob ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest ********-lvą******************** .EDU (Robert M Sanders) Keywords: Sidewinders away! Re mission 2: I usually power down to 40-50%, nose up at somewhere between 10-60 feet above the deck, and fly right over the pilot. Try using the behind-and-to-one-side view, and back out some so you can see more. It took several missions to get the release point down right. If you miss, there may be enough time to return to a landinz͋\ Has anyone else noticed this and does anyone know >of a copyier that will overcome this and does anyone know of or have any idea >how to write a bit-copyier ? I have successfully copied falcon using marauder (brain 10) in order to keep my origionals from being written. I have had no problems with the copy at all. > Also to do with Falcon, is there any truth in the rumour that it won`t >let you set up a serial link with another computer using the same copy (or its >first disk{{ and a copy of its second disk.) ? No truth to that whatsoever on the amiga version. I have played the game at a friends place between two Amigas at 19.2 and had no problems using the same copy on each machine. If you are going to connect serially between two systems, I would reccommend that you direct connect with a serial cable at play at 19.2. At 1200 baud I have noticed the response to be sluggish and slow, at 19.2 the response is as fast as the sinple player version against co||mputer planes. Anyone who can set it up should try it at 19.2 with another person, the game is amazing between human players (very unpredictable and always fun to be able to talk to the person you are trying to shoot down :-) ). BTW, Does anyone with connections to Spectrum Holobyte read this group? If you don't already own this game, run out and buy it now. This is far and above the best flight simulation software I have ever seen and I have played many. The game is apperently qui}IUte accurate in its simulation, except the joystick on a real F-16 is sensistive to degrees of tilt. The game, due to hardware (?), can only detect direction. This is according to an actual F-16 pilot trying the game. I completed F-18 Interceptor in two weeks, I have been playing F-16 since mid-December with the same level on intensity and I am currently just halfway through Lt. Colonel. This is one very tough game to beat, but worth it. The manual has a biblography of ten books avai~lable on a variety of approp. subjects. THIS IS A GREAT GAME. Review: ***** (5 Stars) -- ------- Scott T. MacQuarrie -====------ Senior Technical Consultant, Toronto Branch, AT&T Canada -======------ -====------- Phone: 416-756-5124 UUCP: ---------- CompuServe: 73677,102 uunet!attcan!scott or ------- ATTmail: !smacquarrie uunet!attcan!strider!scott P.S. Opinions expressed are my own and represent neither statement nor poliq>cy of AT&T or AT&T Canada Inc. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: c152-cb@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Vince Lee) Subject: Re: F-18 Interceptor Message-ID: <10606@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 2 Mar 89 18:14:51 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Reply-To: c152-cb@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Vince Lee) Distribution: comp Summary: Not that great In article <4197@vpk4.UUCP> scott@attcan.UUCP (Scott MacQuarri)e) writes: > > >If you are going to connect serially between two systems, I would >reccommend that you direct connect with a serial cable at play at 19.2. At >1200 baud I have noticed the response to be sluggish and slow, at 19.2 the >response is as fast as the sinple player version against computer planes. I've played at 19.2, and found that it is about 1/3 the speed of a one-player game. Apparently, they must be doing something REALLY STUPID like sending coordinates, waiting for a?7'I reply, then doing calculations!! It's still fun, but at 19.2, I would expect NO slowdown. >If you don't already own this game, run out and buy it now. This is far and >above the best flight simulation software I have ever seen and I have >played many. The game is apperently quite accurate in its simulation, >except the joystick on a real F-16 is sensistive to degrees of tilt. The >game, due to hardware (?), can only detect direction. This is according to >an actual F-16 pilot tryin 9g the game. I'm afraid I'm not so enthusiastic about the game as I'd like to be. The scenarios are great, but the joystick control SUCKS!!! F18's controls are far superior. In F16, the joystick uses an exponentially sensitive control, which, if you hold it in one direction for any length of time, instantly puts you in a tailspin. I was a little annoyed at first, but after a while, I found that I still couldn't get used to the controls. Secondly, I want it to work with my 020. En!*Wuf said. >Review: ***** (5 Stars) My Review: **+ ( would be 4 if joystick controls were fixed ) -Vince ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: petersed@spot.Colorado.EDU (Dan Petersen) Subject: Re: F-18 Interceptor Message-ID: <7098@boulder.Colorado.EDU> Date: 3 Mar 89 18:21:03 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Reply-To: petersed@spot.Colorado.EDU (Dan Petersen) Distribution: comp > > Als"neo about F-16 Falcon. I have attempted to make a backup of it but >have had some trouble actually copying it. It will let me copy both disks but >the first one seems to include a routine that determines whether that disk is a >copy - if it is then you are allowed to take off but after about 20 seconds all >systems fail and you crash ! Has anyone else noticed this and does anyone know >of a copyier that will overcome this and does anyone know of or have any idea >how to write a bit-cop N------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: raw@mcnc.org (Russell Williams) Subject: F-16 Versus DF1: The War Continues.... Message-ID: <4168@alvin.mcnc.org> Date: 11 Mar 89 02:08:42 GMT Organization: Microelectronics Center of NC; RTP, NC Keywords: F-16 Df1: Kickstart Eliminator Addmem I'd like to being by thanking every for their help in getting my F-16 running. However, the situation has taken a stranger twist, and I'd like to find out why. The story so far... 1) F-16 requires all 512K to run, leaving no memory for DF1: 2) The obvious answer to this is to remove DF1: This is obviously a clumsy answer. 3) Use Install2, a program which will ignore DF1: when booting up. I haven't tried this, but I think it will work. However, I happen to have a kickstart eliminator. This gives me 256k of extra ram, and I would like to use it on F-16 because this would give me access to the black G@mbox feature, which uses the extra ram. To inform the system of the additional memory, I have to issue the command ADDMEM 0f80000 0fbffff in the startup sequence. The game loads up fine, using the second drive, but the sound doesn't work!!! I get the title song, and every time I use the engines I get a BOOM, but nothing else makes a sound. I've tried putting the addmem statement in a seperate startup-sequence to give it time to load so that Falcon couldn't possibly get intertwinedi with memory allocation with it, but it's no good. I feel like I'm really close to getting this thing to work. If anybody has any ideas, I'd really appreciate hearing them. Russell Williams ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mdh@cs.warwick.ac.uk (Mark Holroyd) Subject: Re: F-18 Interceptor Message-ID: <1368@ubu.warwick.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 89 15:59:33 GMT OrgaOnization: Computer Science, Warwick University, UK Distribution: comp In reply to T. Knight`s question about destroying the carrier : if you hit it`s conning tower and then land on the deck you get the message mission complete, return to carrier. It takes a bit of practice to land on its deck and to take off again you need quite a long run up. I taxi to the bow of the ship and then accelerate towards the other end. Also about F-16 Falcon. I have attempted to make az backup of it but have had some trouble actually copying it. It will let me copy both disks but the first one seems to include a routine that determines whether that disk is a copy - if it is then you are allowed to take off but after about 20 seconds all systems fail and you crash ! Has anyone else noticed this and does anyone know of a copyier that will overcome this and does anyone know of or have any idea how to write a bit-copyier ? Also to do with Falcon, is there any t%ruth in the rumour that it won`t let you set up a serial link with another computer using the same copy (or its first disk and a copy of its second disk.) ? Thanks alot, Mark. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: hpchang@rose.waterloo.edu (Hsi P. Chang) Subject: Re: F-18 Interceptor Message-ID: <11933@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Date: 1 Mar 89 19:36:36 GMT Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ont:Fario Reply-To: hpchang@rose.waterloo.edu (Hsi P. Chang) Distribution: comp In article mdh@cs.warwick.ac.uk (Mark Holroyd) writes: > Also about F-16 Falcon. I have attempted to make a backup of it but >have had some trouble actually copying it. It will let me copy both disks but >the first one seems to include a routine that determines whether that disk is a >copy - if it is then you are allowed to take off but after about 20 seconds all >systems fail and you crash ! Has anyone1r else noticed this and does anyone know >of a copyier that will overcome this and does anyone know of or have any idea >how to write a bit-copyier ? Well, I have F16 Falcon running off the Wedge HardDrive without any problem. The only thing is that everytime it access files on the hard drive, the light on the df0: drive flashes (but I don't think any access is done). Thus I think you have a problem with your copy. Mine sure works just fine. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=&w-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- hpchang@rose.waterloo.edu,cdn Hsi P. Chang hpchang@rose.uwaterloo.ca 3B Computer Science, Co-op. uunet!watmath!rose!hpchang University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: scott@vpk4.UUCP (Scott MacQuarrie) Subject: Re: F-18 Interceptor Message-ID: <4197@vpk4.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 89 17:05:55 GMT Organization: y qAT&T Canada Inc., Toronto Reply-To: scott@attcan.UUCP (Scott MacQuarrie) Distribution: comp In article <1368@ubu.warwick.UUCP> you write: > Also about F-16 Falcon. I have attempted to make a backup of it but >have had some trouble actually copying it. It will let me copy both disks but >the first one seems to include a routine that determines whether that disk is a >copy - if it is then you are allowed to take off but after about 20 seconds all >systems fail and you crash ! ?---------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: scott@vpk3.UUCP (Scott MacQuarrie) Subject: Re: F-16 Versus DF1: Message-ID: <4334@vpk3.UUCP> Date: 10 Mar 89 15:21:27 GMT Organization: AT&T Canada Inc., Toronto Reply-To: scott@attcan.UUCP (Scott MacQuarrie) Keywords: F-16 Falcon Second Disk Drive DF1: In article <4152@alvin.mcnc.org> raw@mcnc.org (Russell Williams) writes: > > I just purchased f-16 and I*F have two immediate problems with it. > >1) It won't work with the second drive! I have an amiga 1000 with a second >drive attached, and it won't go to the code word if the second drive is connected. How do A2000 owners get around this? A ren't their drives internallyconnected? I am running the program on a 500 with two drives and have had no problems using the second floppy. Thus, I'm not too sure what the problem is. >2) Finding the damn buildings for the milk run is diffircult. Sometimes I find >them, other times I'm trying to come about to a new course being recommended by >the base. Any course change requires a huge horizontal tilt. You should select 'c' which will give you a map of the know terrain. The three buildings in milk run are parr. with the runway you take off from, simply take off, keep the speed low and performa wide 180' turn and you'll find them. > So far, this F-18 Interceptor definitely blows this away. It may have >limiteNSd missions, but the whole execution of FLYING feels a lot better. I presume you are still flying at 1st Lt., You'll find that the gome becomes a lot more fun when you start the higher levels (MIGs will start flying very well. at Colonel level they fly somewhat better then you do). Also, at the higher levels, the plane will respond to factors that f-18 will. It uses weight and drag and will accel. in dives which f-18 completly ignores. 1st Lt. is simply a training level to get used t$o how the game operates, if you are getting bored with this, go up a level and see what happens. I think you'll find that as you fly at the other levels to handling and performance of the plane will become more realistic. I have been playing this game since mid-December and have just entered Colonel level (after completing all low ranks and missions). F-18 I completly finished in two weeks of play. This is a much more difficult game to master but fun. If you can find two amigas you can direct connectm try playing against a friend one-on-one. This is one of the most appealing aspects of the game, as you can screeam at the person who is trying to blow you out of the sky. Stick with the game, try the higher levels, and you will see that this game is much more realistic and downright fun then f-18. -- ------- Scott T. MacQuarrie -====------ Senior Technical Consultant, Toronto Branch, AT&T Canada -======------ -====------- Phone: 416-7.56-5124 UUCP: ---------- CompuServe: 73677,102 uunet!attcan!scott or ------- ATTmail: !smacquarrie uunet!attcan!strider!scott P.S. Opinions expressed herein are my own and represent neither statement nor policy of AT&T or AT&T Canada Inc. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: erd@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ethan R. Dicks) Subject: Re: F-16 Versus DF1: The War Continues.... Messag ] xxe-ID: <39087@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: 11 Mar 89 08:06:30 GMT Organization: Ohio State University Computer and Information Science Reply-To: Ethan R. Dicks Keywords: F-16 Df1: Kickstart Eliminator Addmem In article <4168@alvin.mcnc.org> raw@mcnc.org (Russell Williams) writes: > > I'd like to being by thanking every for their help in getting my F-16 >running. However, the situation has taken a stranger twist, and I'd like to >find out why. [ stuf [@f about attempts at implementation deleted ] >To inform the system of the additional memory, I have to issue the command >ADDMEM 0f80000 0fbffff in the startup sequence. The game loads up fine, using >the second drive, but the sound doesn't work!!! I get the title song, and >every time I use the engines I get a BOOM, but nothing else makes a sound. > >I've tried putting the addmem statement in a seperate startup-sequence to give >it time to load so that Falcon couldn't possibly ge Yt intertwined with memory >allocation with it, but it's no good. > I have an A1000 with a Spirit Inboard, giving a total of 2.5 Mb. The catch is that I have the memory strapped for non-autoconfig, so that brain-damaged programs like Halley Project can run. I just copied the Falcon disk and added the addmem statement before running Falcon. I don't know if it will run with the black box in .75 Mb, but it should run with a second drive in .75 Mb. I did get it to work, and I play o n a daily basis. There was no perceptible increase in loading time after adding the addmem. My disk does not thrash excessively, even though I altered the state of a nearly full disk. Must be all that clean living ;-) -ethan -- Ethan R. Dicks | ###### This signifies that the poster is a member in Software Results Corp| ## good sitting of Inertia House: Bodies at rest. 940 Freeway Drive N. | ## Columbus OH 43229 | ###### "You get it, you're closer. ------------!:k >a method for high-speed binary file transfer from Amiga to a UNIX machine? >I'd appreciate any advice, direction or war stories. Yes, I am. Note that the above speeds have been obtained with Channel 1, a Mass BBS that supports the Courier HST. Some UNIXes have problems receiving data as fast as A-Talk III can send, especially when not using RTS/CTS [i which case X-o/X-off should be used for ZMODEM]. There is no problem when the UNIX box is sending files, though. The next releas"LYe of A-Talk III will contain a specific modem entry for the Courier HST, that will select the above settings automatically (poof$). -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...$pollux$papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux$papa\oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga$" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ---------------------------# kE--- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Subject: Re: high-speed file transfer Message-ID: <14625\oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 89 17:51:08 GMT Organization: Felsina Software, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Keywords: Amiga sun modem apollo zmodem ymodem In article <646\atanasoff.cs.iastate.edu> jwright\atanasoff.cs.iastate.edu (Jim Wright) writes: !In article <891\io.UUCP! dbjag\i$Ǡ>o.UUCP (David Benjamin x4050) writes: !!I'd like to be able to transfer binary at as fast a rate as possible, !!relying on the modems for error checking. ! !!Is there anyone out there with a similar situation who *IS ACTUALLY USING* !!a method for high-speed binary file transfer from Amiga to a UNIX machine? ! !For your situation, YMODEM-G would be ideal. You could let those sexy !modems do all your error detection/correction for you, while the protocol !simply validates the files a%nd informs you of problems. I have not seen !any implementations of YMODEM-G for either the Amiga or Unix. Well, you didn't look around enough. ZMODEM and YMODEM-g for UNIX have been available "with sources" for over a year from Chuck Forsberg's TeleGodzilla UNIX-based BBS (503)-621-3746. Chuck is the author of ZMODEM. As far as the Amiga is concerned, A-Talk III Release 1.0e includes Ymodem-G. Note that Ymodem-G does require and error-correcting modem to work properly. !Next be& Date: 12 Jan 89 14:27:17 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Reply-To: louie\trantor.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) You might make sure that you are using larger block sizes when transfering files using KERMIT. The default size is very small; I usually use 1K block sizes which improves the throughput vastly+x. Louis A. Mamakos WA3YMH Internet: louie\TRANTOR.UMD.EDU University of Maryland, Computer Science Center - Systems Programming ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** X:papa ARPAnet:pollux$papa\oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga$" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5~ ause programs like DPaint, DMCS, and Director to crash in strange >ways on exit. > No, unfortunately in this case, I don't have SetFont running, I have also tried setting the stack from 32000 to 100000 with no success. I have since created another startup-sequence specifically for DPaint and DMCS that doesn't startup AREXX and uses GOMF 2.2, this works, but I still can't figure out why I still get the crashes with my normal startup-sequence. I still have about 350K of chip and 1.߿+4M of fast RAM when trying to run these so I don't think memory is an issue. Any other ideas??? Thanks, Chris rochester$kodak$ektools$barrett barrett\ektools ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: dbjag\io.UUCP (David Benjamin x4050) Subject: high-speed file transfer Message-ID: <891\io.UUCP> Date: 11 Jan 89 18:11:48 GMT Organization: Interleaf Inc, Cambridge, MA Keywords: Amiga sun modem Does anyone have a*y method of transferring files over a *high-speed* modem connection between an Amiga and a Sun (4.2 BSD UNIX)? The connection is through a pair of US Robotics Courier HST modems connected at 9600 baud (ARQ). I currently use Kermit for file transfers, but because of its constant error checking it clogs the hell out of the high-speed connection protocol employed by the modems. It is actually faster to reconnect at 2400 baud to transfer using kermit than to use 9600 baud. I'd like to7K be able to transfer binary at as fast a rate as possible, relying on the modems for error checking. Is there anyone out there with a similar situation who *IS ACTUALLY USING* a method for high-speed binary file transfer from Amiga to a UNIX machine? I'd appreciate any advice, direction or war stories. Thanks. -- - Dave Benjamin - - Interleaf - - ...$eddi"e.mit.EDU$ileaf$dbjag - ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mp1u+\andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) Subject: Re: high-speed file transfer Message-ID: Date: 12 Jan 89 21:07:00 GMT Organization: Carnegie Mellon IN-REPLY-TO: <891\io.UUCP> dbjag\io.UUCP (David Benjamin x4050) writes: > Is there anyone out there with a similar situaȓtion who *IS ACTUALLY USING* > a method for high-speed binary file transfer from Amiga to a UNIX machine? > I'd appreciate any advice, direction or war stories. By far the best way to transfer files between an Amiga and an Unix box is Matt Dillon's DNET. The "putfiles" command offers exceptional throughput (far, far better than Kermit, even with long packets), can handle transferring entire directory trees, and the DNet protocol includes its own flow control so you don't have to wo0Krry about choking your communications line. Plus you don't have to worry about binaries getting munged during the transfer...it works perfectly every time. DNet is available for anonymous FTP from ucbvax in pub/amiga, or you can find it on Fish Disk 145. -- Michael Portuesi / Information Technology Center / Carnegie Mellon University INET: mp1u+\andrew.cmu.edu / BITNET: mp1u+\andrew UUCP: ...harvard$andrew.cmu.edu$mp1u+ "I'm very sorry, Master, but that WAS the backup system" -- Slave ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Subject: Re: high-speed file transfer Message-ID: <14618\oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 89 01:24:47 GMT Organization: Felsina Software, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Keywords: Amiga sun modem In article <891\io.UUCP> dbjag\io.UUCP (David Benjamin x4050) writes: >Does anyone have a method of transferring 5)0 files over a *high-speed* modem >connection between an Amiga and a Sun (4.2 BSD UNIX)? The connection is >through a pair of US Robotics Courier HST modems connected at 9600 baud (ARQ). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ >I currently use Kermit for file transfers, but because of its constant error >checking it clogs the hell out of the high-speed connection protocol employed >by the modems. It is actually faster to reconnect at 2400 baud to tran?sfer >using kermit than to use 9600 baud. This is of course "commercial", BUT I've been using the US Robotics COURIER HST at 9600 baud with A-Talk III for quite a while. The current version of A-Talk III will be able to to send and receive with ZMODEM protocol at well over 1000 char/sec. I've experienced even 1200 char/sec on some long ARC files. >I'd like to be able to transfer binary at as fast a rate as possible, >relying on the modems for error checking. The fastest A-Talk III ͻ/Courier HST speed can be obtained when using RTS/CTS flow control, HST flow control on BOTH transmit and receive, no compression (use ARC files), and A-Talk III baud rate at 19,200. The proper settings on the HST are set with: AT&K0&H1&B1&R2 On A-Talk III select RTS/CTS and 16K input buffer from Preferences, and select BAUD 19200. >Is there anyone out there with a similar situation who *IS ACTUALLY USING* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)VO---------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** 4. Comments: Any observations you wish to make about any product, good or bad. -------------------------------------------- Please$ Do not post answers to the net or to the Amiga forum message base. Mail responses to me at: lpami.wimsey.bc.ca$lphillips or on Compuserve: Larry Phillips 76703,4322 - mLC bitnet ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: gsarff\meph.UUCP (Gary Sarff) Subject: Re: Help with Dataproducts Prism-80 printer Message-ID: <00053\meph.UUCP> Date: 16 Dec 88 21:09:02 GMT Organization: WICAT Systems Inc. Orem, Utah (Engineering-R & D) In article <1162\dukeac.UUCP> rsb\dukeac.UUCP (R. Scott Bartlett) writes: >In article <1200\mtunn.ATT.COM> arr\mtunn.ATT.COM (Andrew Raffman) writes: >[stuff a lݵbout the IDS-80 printer that he aquired deleted] >>It has a serial interface in the back, and I have got it printing out at 9600 baud from >>my Sun, so I know it works. >Get this: that port is also a parallel port$ Boy was i surprised when they >told me that$$ Yes, wish you didn't have to take the whole bloody cover off though to get to the jumper to even see if it is parallel or serial. You don't want to fry the interface by plugging in the wrong cable if you aren't sure which i?unterface it is currently set up as. >>Does anyone know: >> 1) What are the dip switches for? > Email me if you need a list. >> 2) What control codes does this printer accept? > Don't know????, but i want to know$$ >> 3) Is it compatible with any other printer? > IDS-Prism132, and others that i can't think of offhand. >> 4) Are there any Amiga printer drivers for it? > Sure hope so$$ If anyone has one, pleA=ase email it to > me. Yes there is a driver for it, I have emailed it to both of you. >> 5) How can I get ribbons (I only have a black one now), and is this >> printer still made? > I don't think that the printer is still made (i may be wrong). > MEI (remember them?? :-) sells black ribbons for this beast. Inmac is my choice, I have ordered both color and black ribbons from them for several years for this printer and they are alwa7ys in stock. >> >>Thank you for any help. >>Andy Raffman > >If someone has a manual for one of these beasts, please email me the control >codes. I called IDS (Integral Data Systems BTW) and they said that they didn't >have any manuals on hand, but they would call me back when they got some. Well, >they never did. > I would if I didn't have to type them all in. 8-) I have emailed you a letter containing a uuencoded driver and some answers, dip switches and some useful control cod es, but I got tired before I got even half of the control codes, (the printer fancies itself as a wordprocessor you know). If either of you want I could look around for maybe an old spare manual or photocopy relevant parts, (the manual even includes pull out logic and circuit diagrams for the printer's motherboard). 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Please let me know$ Thanks$ -- Tim Stark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Don't send your mail through UUNET site because it is a black hole. Use UCBVAX or RELAY.CS.NET gateway to send mac=^il to gallux.gallaudet.edu. Thank$ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Timothy Stark ! Bitnet: 11tstark\gallua.bitnet Gallaudet University ! Internet: 11tstark\gallux.gallaudet.edu P.O. Box 1453 ! "Gallaudet University is the only university for Washington, DC 20002 ! the deaf in the world." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From:ٸcI barrett\ektools.UUCP (Chris Barrett) Subject: Re: Help$ Software crashing for unknown reason$$$ Message-ID: <1685\ektools.UUCP> Date: 10 Jan 89 13:43:52 GMT Organization: Eastman Kodak, Dept. 47, Rochester NY Reply-To: barrett\ektools.UUCP (Chris Barrett) In article <5940\polya.Stanford.EDU> ali\polya.Stanford.EDU (Ali T. Ozer) writes: >SetFont 2.0 was the cause of many strange GURUs for several people. >Do you run it in your startup-sequence or your shell-startup? I've seen >it cܣ== Hung H. Le mott\ucscb.ucsc.edu ...$ucbvax$ucscc$ucscb$mott mott\ucscd.BITNET hungl\sco.COM [include =================================================================== ------------------------------ From: lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) Subject: Re: Good Upgrade Policies Message-ID: <2134\van-bc.UUCP> Date: 10 Jan 89 19:53:20 GMT In <1093\hub.ucsb.edu>, hbo\nobbs.ucsb.edu writes: > Add to this list TDI. Whatever you may thiYunk of their Modula product, they > were pretty good with the updates. I got two from them completely unsolicited. Really? Update cards or updates? I paid for one update that turned out to have a few bug fixes, but mostly 'bug moves', the kind where a whole new set of bugs was there to replace the first set. I was not happy, and when 3.0 came out, I decided to take a wait-and-see attitude, and as it turns out, I was glad I did. We shall see how M2S does, now that they are taking ov PM/er. It can't be worse. -larry -- Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! // Larry Phillips ! ! @X/ lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca or uunet$van-bc$lpami$lphillips ! ! COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 ! +------------------------------------------------!----------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: stevek\rlgvax.UUCP (Steve Kelley) Subject: GVP mem card holders Message-ID: <1085\rlgvax.UUCP> Date: 20 Jan 89 19:54:21 GMT Organization: Computer Consoles Inc, Reston VA Keywords: Cheap Chips Another satisfied customer After reading a posting about 256Kx4 chips, I called Advanced Micro Tech and sure enough, they had them. Not only that, they were " Date: 17 Jan 89 21:36:56 #&!9GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Could someone please repost the HANDSHAKE archive to the amig binaries notes group. I really want this program, and the archive I got before was corrupted. Please? Thanks. Doug Quarnstrom ------------------------------ From: lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) Subject: Hard Drive Survey Message-ID: <2135\van-bc.UUCP> Date: 10 Jan 89 19:53:53 GMT With the price of hard disks coming down, and the great advantages of having$Ÿ/ one on the Amiga, one of the most often asked questions (that I get asked, anyway), is "What hard drive should I get for my 500/1000/2000?". Since I am familiar with only a few (2090, 2090A, C Ltd., and the Wedge), I would like to attempt a survey to find out what the folks on the networks feel. I want it to be a dual purpose survey, more than just "What brand should I buy?". For this reason, I am including a few general questions about what you look for in a hard drive (or what y%= D^ou are looking for, if you don't already have one). I will be posting this survey to Usenet and Compuserve, to get the widest possible coverage. If anyone wishes to post it to another service, and to mail the results to me, either here, or on Compuserve, please feel free to do so. Please feel free to answer only some of the questions if you see fit. I would rather have a partial response than none at all. I will summarize the data and post to Usenet and Compuserve. Others may wish&Ăw+ to post the results services I don't frequent. ------------------------------------------ 1. Rank the following criteria in order of importance to you. (rank in order of 1 (most important) through 4 (least important) ) price performance ease of installation vendor support 2. Do you have a preference for one of the following drive types? SCSI ST506 3. Do you currently have one or more hard drives? If so, state the manufacturer of the adapter/controller/'/Qdrive. How would you rate the following (use EXCELLENT, GOOD, FAIR, POOR) price performance vendor support ease of installation 4. Comments: Any observations you wish to make about any product, good or bad. -------------------------------------------- Please$ Do not post answers to the net or to the Amiga forum message base. Mail responses to me at: lpami.wimsey.bc.ca$lphillips or on Compuserve: Larry Phillips 76703,4322 -(9------------------------------------------- Thanks in advance, -larry -- Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! // Larry Phillips ! ! @X/ lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca or uunet$van-bc$lpami$lphillips ! ! COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 ! +-------ǬGf >getting (free or for-a-fee) updates. The next 50% involves calling the >company and ASKING for the update. At this point in time, Amiga companies >simply cannot afford the extra expense of sending out notices of upgrades, >-- Marco Papa 'Doc' True, you have to ask for an update. This is reasonable. If you have had no problems with the old one, then maybe you never ran into the bug. It would cost them to much to send out copies to all. Except in the case of a very expebgnsive program like Word Perfect and Sculpt-4D. All of the programs you listed as giving upgrades were expensive programs. Not games. There was a bug in an early release of Sculpt-4D. They send me an upgrade promptly when I reported it. This was even before I got around to sending in the registration card. I just gave them the serial number. ..RS Robert Silvers. rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu Box [1003 University of Lowell. Lowell Ma, 01854 (508) 452-5ɩ000 ex 2233 ------------------------------ From: utoddl\ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Todd M. Lewis) Subject: Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon) Message-ID: <6202\ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Date: 10 Jan 89 19:57:19 GMT Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Summary: sure... In article <11161\swan.ulowell.edu>, rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) writes: > In article <84481\sun.uucp> cmcmanis\sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: > >Here is a silly idea, what if Game manufacturers always sfz 7ent two disks with > >their games. One "backup" and one play disk. Then if your disk ever went > >bad you could switch to the backup and immediately send off the play disk > >to get it fixed. The only danger being that the backup may fail before the > >play disk was repair... > >--Chuck McManis > Or the company turns belly-up, or changes address and/or name, or gets bought by sombody who doesn't want to give away disks forever... --Todd M. Lewis ------------------------------ RelJay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: blgardne\esunix.UUCP (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: Games That Multitask Message-ID: <1163\esunix.UUCP> Date: 17 Dec 88 01:15:14 GMT Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation > In <1926\eneevax.UUCP>, smaug\eneevax.UUCP (Kurt Lidl) writes: >> assign dh0: ram: >> installtodh0 >> Will give you a playable version of the game from your ram-disk. > Sounds good on the surface, but imagine a 2090 ownelזr with 1 ST506 drive, > partitioned into 1 OFS partiton (DH0:, name forced by CBM) with just enough > to boot from, and another FFS partition that has lots of room. Let's also > say the user doesn't want it in RAM: Ever try to ASSIGN a name of an > existing device somewhere else? There is an easy way around this. Just name a blank floppy "DH0". A floppy disk with the same name as a mounted volume wil override the assigned volume name. Remember the guy(s) than named his compiler diͿ Ask "C", and lost the use of all his AmigaDOS commands while the disk was inserted? This can also be used to your advantage. Name each of the disks in your fonts collection "FONTS", then when you pop it in a floppy, it will override the existing Fonts: directory. > Better they should have not made any assumptions, and stuck with the 'normal' > way of looking at the volume name, which would most likely be unique, and > assignable too. That's true, but at least there's a work around. ΂x -- Blaine Gardner \ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 Here: utah-cs$esunix$blgardne ucbvax,allegra,decvax$decwrl$esunix$blgardne There: uunet$iconsys$caeco$pedro$worsel$blaine "Nobody will ever need more than 64K." "Nobody needs multitasking on a PC." ------------------------------ From: Leon Shaner Subject: GEMINI SG10 PRINTER DRIVER Message-ID: <6477\louie.udel.EDU> Date: 10 Jan 89 20:46:10 GMT TO: Amiga-Relay\UDEL.EDU I am avElso looking for a 1.3 printer drive for the SG10--NLQ is of IMPORTANCE, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO GET AT THE PRINTER'S HIGHER DENSITY graphics capabilities. Thanks in advance. +-------------------------------------+ ! __ ! A.K.A LEON D. SHANER ! /// _ ! / ! ! ///!_ _* __ /! ! /__ / ! ! __ ///_!!/!!/ _/_! ! //_/ X ! I disclaim all knowledge of ! /// !! !!_ / ! ! / _// ! eveݨrything. ! X/ ! __// ! !/ / ! ! !__/ ! (I don't look so stupid ! ! that way) +-------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mott\ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Hung H. Le) Subject: ghostscript for amiga? Message-ID: <6031\saturn.ucsc.edu> Date: 19 Jan 89 09:40:32 GMT Organization: Uncle Charlie Summjer Camp (UCSC) Reply-To: mott\ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Hung H. Le) Keywords: amiga, ghostscript Has anyone looked into porting "ghostscript" to work for the Amiga? ===========================_====================================== Hung H. Le mott\ucscb.ucsc.edu ...$ucbvax$ucscc$ucscb$mott mott\ucscd.BITNET [include =================================================================== ===========================_====================================I I heard about Arkanoid in the various magazines. The newer version has more than the original 20 levels. Something like 10 more. Don't know for sure, I don't have it. I am still mad that I actually bought Sword of Sudan for ]40.00 and can't copy it. They wan't ]15.00 for a backup copy. I have seen enough disks go bad to make me nervous. I think I am going to stop buying copy-protected stuff, INCLUDING games, even with manual protection. How can anyone write a good progra Ӑ sm and then cripple it? It looks like they had no choice with Dragon's Lair (because of the compression), but the others, there is no excuse. The pirates will copy it anyways, and the average user who bought it just gets pissed off. Sword of Sudan is pretty good though. It looks like there are only 11 levels, and once you complete them, you are probably done with the game (except to impress your friends). I am at level 8. ..RS Sword Robert Silvers.  nc rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu Box [1003 University of Lowell. Lowell Ma, 01854 (508) 452-5000 ex 2233 ------------------------------ From: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Subject: Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon Message-ID: <14534\oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 9 Jan 89 04:50:49 GMT Organization: Felsina Software, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) In article <84406\sun.uucp> cmcmanis\sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: >Interesting, Jet of course doesn't count (SubLOG aIC) but Arkanoid would. >How did you find out about this? Since I am a "registered" owner of >Arkanoid I would think they would send me a note but you never know. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >How can you tell which is which? Well, after 3 years as part of the Amiga developer community, I can safely say that in 99% of the cases sending in the registration is 50% of the job of getting (free or for-a-fee) updates. The next 50% involves calling the company and ASK /lING for the update. At this point in time, Amiga companies simply cannot afford the extra expense of sending out notices of upgrades, also given the fact that 50% of them come back as "addresse no longer at this address". Most of them, though, will offer the upgrade for free, just for the asking. Among the majors I can list WordPerfect (I got 4 free updates to WP), EA (I got an upgrade for Dpaint II), OXXI (they freely upgraded me MaxiPlan several times). When we were in the publi Qsshing business, we did the same. It is just numbers (i.e. ]]). Actually the only upgrade notice I received was from Lattice for their C compiler. This also happened to me when I was working for PC DOS machines. In that market, the number of upgrade notices is a little higher, but not that much. -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...$pollux$papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux$papa\oberon.usc.edu "There's Alp/ha, Beta, Gamma and Diga$" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: cmcmanis%pepper\Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Subject: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon Message-ID: <84406\sun.uucp> Date: 9 Jan 89 01:52:13 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View Reply-To: cmcmanis\sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) I wrote : Trick Question : Name one company, besides SubLOGIC, who has ever ْs ^^^ released a second version of any game. In article <11132\swan.ulowell.edu> (Robert Silvers) replied: > Discovery with Arkanoid? Many new levels, same game, lower price. >Also, the first week that Jet was out, it had a few problems. Interesting, Jet of course doesn't count (SubLOGIC) but Arkanoid would. How did you find out about this? Since I am a "registered" owner of Arkanoid I would think they would send me a note but you never know. How can you tڿ%ell which is which? --Chuck McManis uucp: anywhere$sun$cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis\sun.com These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. ------------------------------ From: cmcmanis%pepper\Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Subject: Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon Message-ID: <84481\sun.uucp> Date: 9 Jan 89 19:28:38 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View Reply-To: cmcmanis\sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) Here is a silly idea, what if Game 0! manufacturers always sent two disks with their games. One "backup" and one play disk. Then if your disk ever went bad you could switch to the backup and immediately send off the play disk to get it fixed. The only danger being that the backup may fail before the play disk was returned. Of course some folks would treat this like a 2 for 1 deal but they might anyway. --Chuck McManis uucp: anywhere$sun$cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis\sun.com These opinions are my own anMd no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. ------------------------------ From: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) Subject: Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon) Message-ID: <11141\swan.ulowell.edu> Date: 9 Jan 89 07:03:37 GMT Organization: University of Lowell, CS Dept. Reply-To: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) >Well, after 3 years as part of the Amiga developer community, I can safely say >that in 99% of the cases sending in the registration is 50% of the job o#3fect: Re: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <195\rpi.edu> Date: 17 Jan 89 10:18:09 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY [line eater? what li In article <34\snll-arpagw.UUCP> paolucci\snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) writes: >In article <146\rpi.edu> shadow\pawl.rpi.edu (Deven T. Corzine) writes: >->Actually, I've noticed that on every Unix system I've used ftp on, the >->number of hash marks is never quite the same, even for the same file. >->And the number $ hPof hash marks is always at least as many as there >->should be, but usually more. For example, transferring an 80K file, >->you might get 93 hash marks one time, and 107 another. My >->interpretation of why this happens is that in the code, it does a >->read(fd,buf,1024) to read 1K, printing a hash mark for that 1K, but >->not taking into account (as far as printing hash marks goes) that the >->read call may return less than 1024 bytes read. So you end up with >->extra reads, and th%@erefore an inappropriate number of hash marks >->printed. I believe it has the same problem with writes, also. (Haven't >->watched carefully; I usually do "ftp" get commands so the umask value >->will take effect.) JTYMLTK. > >Another possibility is that some packets were bad so they had to be >retransmitted again :^). > >->Deven >-> >->------- shadow\pawl.rpi.edu --- Deven Thomas Corzine >-- > -+= SAM =+- >"the best things in life are free" > > &04V ARPA: paolucci\snll-arpagw.llnl.gov Oh, sure. Happens ALL the time. After all, TCP is just SOOO unreliable... :-) BTW, ftp apprears to get the number of hash marks right on "put" commands. Only the "get" commands exhibit the flaw. Deven [inews fodder] ------- shadow\pawl.rpi.edu ------- Deven Thomas Corzine --------------------- Cogito shadow\acm.rpi.edu 2346 15th Street Pi-Rho America ergo userfxb6\rpitsmts.bitnet Tro' Fy, NY 12180-2306 (518) 272-5847 sum... In the immortal words of Socrates: "I drank what?" ...I think. ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** ct.) JTYMLTK. > >Another possibility is that some packets were bad so they had to be >retransmitted again :^). > >->Deven >-> >->------- shadow\pawl.rpi.edu --- Deven Thomas Corzine >-- > -+= SAM =+- >"the best things in life are free" > > C e: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <15070\cisunx.UUCP> Date: 18 Jan 89 20:55:41 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Summary: FTP addresses > > On the unix system here at Pitt, we use ftp [file transfer program]. At > > prompt , (']'?), type ftp -i. > > it should read 'ftp>'. > > type open name of host; for Fish disks try uxe.cso.uiuc.edu or > > trantor.umd.edu > [...] > Would it be possible to post the network ad[Ғdresses of these? I can use > ftp through a Vax running VMS. Although it doesn't seem to know addresses > such as "trantor.umd.edu", I have had success using the numeric addresses. > Thanks. > Terry Gaetz > Bitnet: gaetz\uwovax Some of the network addresses are: trantor.umd.edu [128.147.5.10] uxe.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.54]  j.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.0.3] -Steve -University of Pittsburgh grad ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: RMann\pco-multics.hbi.honeywell.com (Roger Mann) Subject: Re: F16 Falcon problem Message-ID: <6961\louie.udel.EDU> Date: 20 Jan 89 21:58:00 GMT >only power off/on will get you out of the problem I seem to remember that I removed the disk from df1: and df0: and puJ6t the second disk in df0: and it ran. Roger Mann ------------------------------ From: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) Subject: Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon Message-ID: <11140\swan.ulowell.edu> Date: 9 Jan 89 06:54:23 GMT Organization: University of Lowell, CS Dept. Reply-To: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) >Trick Question : Name one company, besides SubLOGIC, who has ever > ^^^ > released a second version of any game. > >> ѡ ] Discovery with Arkanoid? Many new levels, same game, lower price. >>Also, the first week that Jet was out, it had a few problems. > >Interesting, Jet of course doesn't count (SubLOGIC) but Arkanoid would. >How did you find out about this? Since I am a "registered" owner of >Arkanoid I would think they would send me a note but you never know. >How can you tell which is which? >--Chuck McManis Sorry, I forgot who wrote Jet. I bought it, but don't think I ever sent in the card.es That Multitask GEMINI SG10 PRINTER DRIVER ghostscript for amiga? Re: Good Upgrade Policies GVP mem card holders HANDSHAKE Hard Drive Survey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: smsst5\cisunx.UUCP (Steve M Suhy) Subject: R*q) 272-5847 sum... In the immortal words of Socrates... "I drank what?" ...I think. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bdb\becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) Subject: Re: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <211\becker.UUCP> Date: 16 Jan 89 15:50:36 GMT Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario Reply-To: bdb\becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) In article <1264\uwovax.uwo.ca> 2011_552\uwovax.uwo.ca (Terry Gaetz (UWO Ast%ronomy); Bitnet: gaetz\u +---------------- !In article <14892\cisunx.UUCP>, smsst5\cisunx.UUCP (Steve M Suhy) writes: !> In article <6540\louie.udel.EDU>, HRUBIN%UCONNVM.BITNET\mitvma.mit.edu writes: !>> !>> I will appreciate any help anyone can give on how a BITNET user can access !>> various PD programs such as the Fred Fish collect, comp.sources.amiga, etc. !>> Thanks in advance, !>> Harvey hrubin\uconnvm !> [...] ![...] !Would it be possible to post the network daddresses of these? I can use !ftp through a Vax running VMS. Although it doesn't seem to know addresses !such as "trantor.umd.edu", I have had success using the numeric addresses. !Thanks. ! Terry Gaetz ! Bitnet: gaetz\uwovax +---------------- There is a Listserver at FINTUVM which accesses amiga source, binary, and Bitnet Amiga mail list archives. I think that Comp.sys.amiga (& .tech) is gatewayed into iQt. From Bitnet, try sending the message "HELP" to LISTSERV\FINTUVM for more info. Cheers, -- _ _/@ Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. @`o O! Internet: bdb\becker.UUCP, bruce\gpu.utcs.toronto.edu @(")/ BitNet: BECKER\HUMBER.BITNET ---mm-U-mm--- "PMS == Post Modernist Syndrome, doesn't it?" - Lucy Van Pelt ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: paolucci\snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci)*I Subject: Re: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <34\snll-arpagw.UUCP> Date: 16 Jan 89 00:30:12 GMT Organization: Sandia National Labs, Livermore, CA Reply-To: paolucci\snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) In article <146\rpi.edu> shadow\pawl.rpi.edu (Deven T. Corzine) writes: ->In article <1624\cveg.uucp> gmg\hcx.uucp (Greg M. Garner) writes: ->[...] ->>I wanted to ad a line that helps me a great deal, as I get tired of ->>watching a ftp screen that sits there with nothing happening forr; ->>long periods of time. The hash command will change it so that ->>the system prints a hash mark ([) every 1k of transfered data, so that ->>you know how the system is progressing on that transfer. I usually ->>type the hash command right after setting the mode to binary. ->> ->> Greg Garner ->> 501-442-4847 ->> gmg\hcx.uucp USENET: ...$uunet$harris.cis.ksu.edu$hcx$gmg -> -> ->Actually, I've noticed that on every Unix system I've used ftp on, the ->number of hash marks is neveo%^r quite the same, even for the same file. ->And the number of hash marks is always at least as many as there ->should be, but usually more. For example, transferring an 80K file, ->you might get 93 hash marks one time, and 107 another. 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I can use >ftp through a Vax running VMS. Although it doesn't seem to know addresses >such as "trantor.umd.edu", I have had success using the numeric addresses. uxe is [128.174.5.54] and trantor is [128.8.10.14]. How"őever, you should complain to your sysadmin about not running a name server, which will resolve these names for you. Then he, in turn, should complain (bitterly) to his vendor, etc., or you will be troubled by things like this forever. ...tad -- Tad Guy Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shadow\pawl.rpi.edu (Deven T. Corzine) Subj ^louie.udel.EDU>, HRUBIN%UCONNVM.BITNET\mitvma.mit.edu writes: > > I will appreciate any help anyone can give on how a BITNET user can access > various PD programs such as the Fred Fish collect, comp.sources.amiga, etc. > Thanks in advance, > Harvey hrubin\uconnvm On the unix system here at Pitt, we use ftp [file transfer program]. At prompt , (']'?), type ftp -i. it should read 'ftp>'. type open name of host; for Fish disks try uxe.cso.uiuc.edu or h K trantor.umd.edu It should respond with some Name prompt. type anonymous. Password prompt appears. type login name. Then your in. Type binary to make sure all transfers of programs are in binary. Should respond with 'Type set to I'. Then proceed looking thru directories with usual dir and cd commands. To download a file to your net file, type get filename. It should then have some receiving message and you have it. Exit when you're finished browsing by  VPtyping bye. When back at system prompt, if file you got has Z extension, type uncompress filename If these files after that have uu extensions, type uudecode filename. If they have sh extension, type sh filename or get unshar from net. Once this is done, I'm assuming your net system has these uudecode's and all installed, then you are ready to download these by kermit. Type kermit -i. It should read C-kermit>. type send filename. Then set up your receiving terminal to acceptKtf the file by menu selection or what have you with your terminal software. If the file name has a .zoo extension, I advise you to somehow get a hold of a Zoo program on disk at home, by probably downloading it when it had the other extensions, and use it at home. The format for using it, when you have it, is [with zoo in df0: and .zoo file in df1:] is df0:zoo -extract df1:filename. You can type this in CLI. For files with extensions .arc, get a hold of an ARC file that will extract th}ese files. Then type df0:arc x df1:filename. It should work. Anyways, that is the way I do it. It may be different because of different systems, but hope it gets you somewhere. -Steve Suhy -University of Pittsburgh ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: gmg\hcx.uucp (Greg M. Garner) Subject: Re: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <1624\cveg.uucp> Date: 14 Jan 89 04:43:03 GMT Organizativ%on: College of Engineering, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville Summary: Little addition to ftp explanation... In article <14892\cisunx.UUCP>, smsst5\cisunx.UUCP (Steve M Suhy) writes: > It should respond with some Name prompt. type anonymous. > Password prompt appears. type login name. > Then your in. Type binary to make sure all transfers of programs are > in binary. Should respond with 'Type set to I'. [Bunch of dgood stuff deleted] > > -Steve Suhy > -?EUniversity of Pittsburgh I wanted to ad a line that helps me a great deal, as I get tired of watching a ftp screen that sits there with nothing happening for long periods of time. The hash command will change it so that the system prints a hash mark ([) every 1k of transfered data, so that you know how the system is progressing on that transfer. I usually type the hash command right after setting the mode to binary. Greg Garner 501-442-4847 gmg\hcx.uucp USENET: ...$uunet$ha=rris.cis.ksu.edu$hcx$gmg ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shadow\pawl.rpi.edu (Deven T. Corzine) Subject: Re: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <146\rpi.edu> Date: 15 Jan 89 12:06:29 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY In article <1624\cveg.uucp> gmg\hcx.uucp (Greg M. Garner) writes: [...] >I wanted to ad a line that helps me a great deal, as I get tired of >watching a ftp screen: N that sits there with nothing happening for >long periods of time. The hash command will change it so that >the system prints a hash mark ([) every 1k of transfered data, so that >you know how the system is progressing on that transfer. I usually >type the hash command right after setting the mode to binary. > > Greg Garner > 501-442-4847 > gmg\hcx.uucp USENET: ...$uunet$harris.cis.ksu.edu$hcx$gmg Actually, I've noticed that on every Unix system I've used ftp on, the number ofD[37 hash marks is never quite the same, even for the same file. And the number of hash marks is always at least as many as there should be, but usually more. For example, transferring an 80K file, you might get 93 hash marks one time, and 107 another. My interpretation of why this happens is that in the code, it does a read(fd,buf,1024) to read 1K, printing a hash mark for that 1K, but not taking into account (as far as printing hash marks goes) that the read call may return less than 11024 bytes read. So you end up with extra reads, and therefore an inappropriate number of hash marks printed. I believe it has the same problem with writes, also. (Haven't watched carefully; I usually do "ftp" get commands so the umask value will take effect.) JTYMLTK. Deven ------- shadow\pawl.rpi.edu --- Deven Thomas Corzine ------------------------- Cogito shadow\acm.rpi.edu 2346 15th Street Pi-Rho America ergo userfxb6\rpitsmts Troy, NY 12180-2306 (518bߜ.fi (Robin Rosenberg) Subject: Forth & Prolog wanted Message-ID: <1819\abo.fi> Date: 10 Jan 89 18:35:10 GMT Organization: Abo Academy, Finland Could someone give me som information about Forth's for the Amiga. I heard JForth is available, but I have no information about it. 1. Is it native 16/32-bit? 2. Does it compile to machinecode? 3. Does it have access to ALL amiga libraries? 4. What is included? 5. Anything else of value? 6. ]]]s? I know forth so you don't have to tell me how hard it is. It isn't. Anybody know anything ? Please inform me. ALSO: Is there a Prolog compiler/interpreter with access to amiga libraries that will run in 1 Meg ?. Tnx ---- Robin Rosenberg ADDRESS: Finn!, 22340 Geta, FINLAND - EUROPE OR: Stud.byn 40A3, 20510 ]bo, -''- Note: ! is an o with two dots, ] is an A with a ring on top. ------------------------------ From: pmy\vivaldi.acc.v Qirginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) Subject: Re: Forth & Prolog wanted Message-ID: <1006\hudson.acc.virginia.edu> Date: 11 Jan 89 16:42:34 GMT Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville Reply-To: pmy\vivaldi.acc.Virginia.EDU.acc.Virginia.EDU (Pete Yadlowsky) In article <1819\abo.fi> rosenbergr\abo.fi (Robin Rosenberg) writes: >Could someone give me som information about Forth's for the Amiga. >I heard JForth is available, but I have no information about it. > 1. Is it natdIive 16/32-bit? 32 bit. > 2. Does it compile to machinecode? Yes. > 3. Does it have access to ALL amiga libraries? Yes. It's also easy to provide hooks for new libraries as they come along. I've been using the public domain midi.library quite a bit from JForth lately. > 4. What is included? Assembler, of course. Also, disassembler, C-structure support, include file conversion (.h to .j), object-oriented development environment and a very large number of usefuǚTl tools that support graphics, Intuition, file I/O, IFF and a zillion other things. JForth does not use the traditional "screen" file system, though there's a sub-system provided for that, too, if you want it. Instead, it uses the Amiga's own native file system, like any other application. Compose in your favorite text editor, and load into JForth by filename. > 5. Anything else of value? Yes. JForth v2.0 ("JForth Professional") is about to be released. I've been beta-ing itQ. Probably the most important feature of this new version is CLONE, a target compiler. A programmer who wants to compile a JForth application passes CLONE the name of the word which serves as the application's entry point. CLONE then rips down through the dictionary, extracting code called by the application and removing dictionary headers to produce a stand-alone executable image, with command line parsing, of course. "hello world" compiles into about 2800 bytes. Another important fNfeature is the "module", a construct which allows large chunks of forth code to be linked into (and unlinked from) the interpreter's search path without taking up dictionary space. Amiga 'includes' and the assembler are two such modules. > 6. ]]]? About ]90US for the current version, ]150 for JForth 2.0, I think. >Is there a Prolog compiler/interpreter with access to amiga libraries that >will run in 1 Meg ?. Sorry, don't know about Prolog. disclaimer: I'm not affiliated th e Delta Research (makers of JForth), except as a very satisfied customer and unpaid beta-tester. Peter M. Yadlowsky Academic Computing Center University of Virginia pmy\vivaldi.acc.Virginia.EDU ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tozz\hpindda.HP.COM (Bob Tausworthe) Subject: Re: Forth & Prolog wanted Message-ID: <6570018\hpindda.HP.COM> Date: 13 Jan 89 02:49:07 GMT Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupe ~τrtino, CA There is a PD Prolog on two consecutive fish disks. It runs in 1meg. However, I do not know if it has access to the Amiga libraries. tozz\hpindda.hp.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: 8642420\wwu.edu (EriC Cosky) Subject: Frame controllers for A2000 Message-ID: <6617\louie.udel.EDU> Date: 13 Jan 89 08:54:30 GMT I'm looking for ANY information about a :5 frame controller for use with Sculpt-4d. Please e-mail me with manufacturer's, dealers, or ANYTHING you might know about frame-by-frame recording devices. Thanks- -eric cosky 8642420\wwu.edu ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: HRUBIN%UCONNVM.BITNET\mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <6540\louie.udel.EDU> Date: 11 Jan 89 22:47:35 GMT I will appreciate any help anyone can give on  how a BITNET user can access various PD programs such as the Fred Fish collect, comp.sources.amiga, etc. Thanks in advance, Harvey hrubin\uconnvm ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: smsst5\cisunx.UUCP (Steve M Suhy) Subject: Re: Fred Fish, PD programs Message-ID: <14892\cisunx.UUCP> Date: 12 Jan 89 20:27:08 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Summary: ftp -i In article <6540\ Se to burp up. And after >!all, if it's not well tested and has bugs, one of you >!people will generally have reported that fact long before >!*I* find it out :-) > >I second the motion: no animations, no testing. We want the stuff NOW$ >Great job so far, Bob. First, I have to agree; no animations. They're just too darned big. Maybe someone would volunteer to set up an animation mailing-list, though. I don't that that would be offensive to anyone, would it ? As for testing; no, I d  Mon't think it's reasonable to ask Bob to go line-by-line through the code looking for Trojan Hearses. But certainly I'd like to see someone at least test the code to see if it *does* something. The recent animations were a case in point. After spending quite some time downloading and unpacking the things, I found they only worked on PAL Amigas. It wouldn't have taken much testing to determine that, and a one-line note in the posting would have save lots of people the effort. Mor! -Deover, not everything has to be tested. If Leo Schwab submits a screen hack, I'm willing to believe that it works. Likewise, one of Matt Dillon's projects is virtually guaranteed to perform as specified. From what I've seen, most of the submissions come from a reputable group of programmers. It's just the occasional "Nifty.Neato" submitted by "Ima Pseudonym", with the description "Try this, you'll like it $" that needs closer attention. Anyway, Bob, do what you feel is right, and w" hat you can afford the time to do. I support you 99.9% (.1% taken off for the Italian anims... let that be a lesson to you $ 8-) ------------------------------ valuable coupon ------------------------------- Bill Thacker att$cbnews$wbt "C" combines the power of assembly language with the flexibility of assembly language. Disclaimer: Farg 'em if they can't take a joke $ ------------------------------- clip and save -----# --------------------------- ------------------------------ From: sean\ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) Subject: Re: Floppy FFS Message-ID: <10862\s.ms.uky.edu> Date: 10 Jan 89 02:05:54 GMT Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office \ The Univ. of KY Reply-To: sean\ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) In article <19613\uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> mjm\manatee.cis.ufl.edu (Michael Murphy) writes: >Kinda related, has anyone gotten AutoDiskChange to work? (It was posted a few >weeks ago, i can't rememb$Mer offhand who submitted it). I have the mountlist >that was posted with it, and i have FFS working on all my floppies, but the >AutoDiskChange gives me an error message ("AutoDiskchange failed, return code >20" or something like that). I have Arplib in libs: like it says. My system >is A1000 512k, Insider 1Meg expansion, Amiga 5-1/4" external drive, Supra 4x4, >Seagate ST277N. The first time I tried FFS on floppies, the disk drives would just click whenever I tried to format the%Lm with the FFS option. Eventually, format returned with an error. I don't know what I did different the second time, but it seems to work now. I have an A1000 with 512K. I don't mount FF0: and FF1: at bootup because it takes up so much ram. Instead, I have a shell alias called "ffs" that mounts FF0: and FF1: and fires up autodiskchange. If I had the memory, I would have a FFS floppy mounted all the time simply because it does run faster, and you can hold more on a disk. On a relat&1ed note: Has anyone had trouble running virusx and formatting floppies at the same time? Sometimes I've had disk errors and sometimes I get a guru. Sean -- *** Sean Casey sean\ms.uky.edu, sean\ukma.bitnet *** Who sometimes never learns. backbone site!rutgers!uunet$ukma$sean *** U of K, Lexington Kentucky, USA ..where Christian movies are banned. *** ``My name is father. You killed my die. Prepare to Inigo Montoya.'' -----------------------------'m#- From: mjm\beach.cis.ufl.edu (Michael Murphy) Subject: Re: Floppy FFS Message-ID: <19613\uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Date: 10 Jan 89 01:23:21 GMT Organization: UF CIS Department Reply-To: mjm\manatee.cis.ufl.edu (Michael Murphy) In article <6222\louie.udel.EDU> Tom Claydon: ASTLC\alaska.bitnet;, writes: > > I would appreciate it if someone would send me a sample MountList for >using FFS on internal/external floppy drives (DF0: and DF1:) Thanks$ Kinda related, has anyone gotten AutoDis(kChange to work? (It was posted a few weeks ago, i can't remember offhand who submitted it). I have the mountlist that was posted with it, and i have FFS working on all my floppies, but the AutoDiskChange gives me an error message ("AutoDiskchange failed, return code 20" or something like that). I have Arplib in libs: like it says. My system is A1000 512k, Insider 1Meg expansion, Amiga 5-1/4" external drive, Supra 4x4, Seagate ST277N. Thanks for any info, Michael Murphy mjm\)o&Wmanatee.cis.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** > Date: 10 Jan 89 01:23:21 GMT Organization: UF CIS Department Reply-To: mjm\manatee.cis.ufl.edu (Michael Murphy) In article <6222\louie.udel.EDU> Tom Claydon: ASTLC\alaska.bitnet;, writes: > > I would appreciate it if someone would send me a sample MountList for >using FFS on internal/external floppy drives (DF0: and DF1:) Thanks$ Kinda related, has anyone gotten AutoDis"eiarco Papa) says: > >I second the motion: no animations, no testing. We want the stuff NOW$ There is a more moderate position possible. Part of the moderators function is to smooth out the delivery of incoming material. If something really important comes in, it should be posted right away. If there doesn't happen to be anything very interesting in the queue (say Matt Dillon takes the afternoon off 9-), then why not send out an animation? Personally, I trust Bob Page to judge whicEh things need to be rushed out, and which can wait a few days of weeks (or years). lee ------------------------------ From: lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: <2133\van-bc.UUCP> Date: 10 Jan 89 19:52:43 GMT In <66717UH2\PSUVM>, UH2\PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) writes: > There is a more moderate position possible. Part of the moderators > function is4 to smooth out the delivery of incoming material. If > something really important comes in, it should be posted right away. Agreed. And if their is something not so important, there is no rush to post it. If there is something not important at all, why bother posting it? The big question is: "Are animations important enough to justify their bandwidth?" >If there doesn't happen to be anything very interesting in the queue (say >Matt Dillon takes the afternoon off 9-), then why not ~usend out >an animation? Ahh... something like a NOP in a time dependent program, or sync bytes in a synchronous data link? Something to let us know that the moderator is still alive and well and thinking about us and hasn't crashed? Perhaps to keep us all practiced up? Unsharing, uudecoding, and unZooing are awfully easy to forget. And then of course we must be careful to keep the net.bandwidth high during those times when nothing useful is being propogated. What if there are no a3Xnimations in the queue? Well, he said, that's easy. Bob can just send out DMCS scores, or DPaint pics, or essays written with WordPerfect. Why I bet there are some really neat mortgages out there in Analyze files we could all look over. How about it people? Would you all like some directory listings I made with DirMaster? >Personally, I trust Bob Page to judge which things need to be rushed out, >and which can wait a few days of weeks (or years). Personally, I resent the cost, both to the end users and to the backbone sites, of propogating animations, especially just as 'filler'. Yes, I think we can trust him to do the right thing. -larry -- Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! // Larry Phillips ! ! @X/ lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca or uunet$van-bc$lpami$lph&illips ! ! COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: pds\quintus.uucp (Peter Schachte) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: <919\quintus.UUCP> Date: 10 Jan 89 00:24:09 GMT Organization: Quintus Computer Systems, Inc. Reply-To: pds\quintus.UUCP (Peter Schachte) In article <3054\haven.umd.edu> louie\trantor.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >I don't think that Bob Page should have to test sumissions for >comp.sources.amiga before posting them. Agreed. >I don't care what you do with the binaries. Personally, I don't run any >binaries on my system from USENET or other non-commercial source. You >don't know *where* they've been. The only other thing I believe a moderator should do is to make sure that a program really comes from the person it claims to have come from, and that that peB(rson is reachable. That way if a program turns out to have a virus or some other nasty, people can get their hands on the perpetrator and throttle him or her. Just compiling a program yourself is no guarantee that it doesn't do something nasty. Not unless you really read it cover to cover first. It might not contain a virus, but it could do something like deleting a random file somewhere. That wouldn't take much code, so such a thing could be concealed in a program without much t1rouble. (God, I hope I haven't given anyone any ideas$) -Peter Schachte pds\quintus.uucp ...$sun$quintus$pds ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: wbt\cbnews.ATT.COM (William B. Thacker) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: <3103\cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 13 Jan 89 18:32:34 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Reply-To: wbt\cbnews.ATT.COM (William B. Thacker) In article <yt14519\oberon.USC.EDU> papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >In article <10428\gryphon.COM> richard\gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: >... >!Soooo, as much as we'd all like to see huge aniumations appear >!every day, we're just gonna have to accept the fact that this >!will not be; at least in this incarnation of USENET. >... >!And as for testing, vs. delays, I think I for one would >!rather have then stuff NOW, with minimal testing, rather >!than wait 3 months for the next fil 0\@e <4225\charon.unm.edu> hansb\ariel.unm.edu.UUCP (Hans Bechtel) writes: > >I have an idea... Uh oh. Hans has an idea. >After the files are downloaded from the src/bin section, have whoever that >downloads one post a message to the net that it is ok about every 2 weeks >of use. Of course, the person doing so should read the many messages to >make sure that nobody else has yet posted a message. This way everybody >can help the group. Sheer genius. Now, backwater sites that are 2 d  4ays from a backbone connection will ALL post: ``xxxyyy is safe'' because they havn't seen the post yet, because of the dreaded SLOW NEWS FEED. >(Will somebody from Commodore-Amiga please contact me? Thanks... >I have a few questions to ask. >Please write.. > >Hans Bechtel >12353 Mountain NE [G >Albuquerque, NM 87112 ) Yes, please help Hans. His phone doesnt work, he can't afford a stamp, and he can't spell ``cbmvax''. -- ``Why don't you crawl back under your rock, Repto$'' !.8 - Space Ghost richard\gryphon.COM ...$gryphon$richard gryphon$richard\elroy.jpl.nasa.gov ------------------------------ From: sean\ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: <10853\s.ms.uky.edu> Date: 9 Jan 89 19:30:49 GMT Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office \ The Univ. of KY Reply-To: sean\ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) In article <279\lakesys.UUCP> mikes\lakesys.UUCP (Mike Shawaluk) writes: !In article <10831 "iU\s.ms.uky.edu> sean\ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes: !>If I may suggest a change, I would like to have the files placed in a !>directory before zooing so that they will extract to a directory. Thus !Just a note for you; if you makedir a new directory for the files to go in, !and cd to that directory before unZOOing the directory, then you have solved !the above problem without screwing up the rest of the people who might !already have a directory of the name which would have been emb #L̶edded in the !ZOO file. I appreciate the help, but give me a little credit$ My Amy1000 is nearly two and a half years old. I don't LIKE mkdir-ing new directories all the time. I imagined others would like that convenience too. Sean -- *** Sean Casey sean\ms.uky.edu, sean\ukma.bitnet *** Who sometimes never learns. backbone site!rutgers!uunet$ukma$sean *** U of K, Lexington Kentucky, USA ..where Christian movies are banned. *** ``My name is fathe$+r. You killed my die. Prepare to Inigo Montoya.'' ------------------------------ From: cjp\antique.UUCP (Charles Poirier) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: <2495\antique.UUCP> Date: 9 Jan 89 19:33:17 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ Reply-To: vax135$cjp (Charles Poirier) In article <10831\s.ms.uky.edu> sean\ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) writes: >Frankly, I don't care if the sources/binaries are pre-tested or not. >All I really care is%V. that the group be moderated to keep the S/N level >at zero. I'd rather have faster article propagation. I'm undecided about the pretesting issue, but let me point out for the sake of completeness, that posted binaries that plain don't work have an S/N of 0.000. I downloaded over 2 megabytes of that animation noise for example. By the way, I vote NO on posting images and animations, even in a separate subgroup. Though I am a big fan of Amiga images, I feel they have much less uti&*lity per byte than sources, binaries, or general discussion. Plus, I feel that the sheer volume of images and animations we would see would inevitably cause problems. Though it is true that individual Usenet sites can refuse to carry individual groups, I fear that many sites don't administer Usenet with a sufficiently fine touch but will instead take out their wrath on the whole Amiga subtree or on Usenet in general. Some kind of direct-distribution scheme should be used for image'xys. -- Charles Poirier (decvax,ucbvax,mcnc,attmail)$vax135$cjp "Docking complete... Docking complete... Docking complete..." ------------------------------ From: limonce\pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: Date: 9 Jan 89 00:33:45 GMT Organization: NJ InterCampus Network, New Brunswick, N.J. I think things are running just fine. The only additio(_n is the question about posting graphics/songs/etc on the comp.binaries.amiga group. How about we make a comp.binaries.amiga.graphics? Maybe a comp.binaries.amiga.big? The .big could be really big things that required a certain amount of RAM. Actually, a .graphics would be better since certain sites could just plain not get that to ease the net.bandwidth problems that some places are having. Any comments? -Tom -- Tom Limoncelli Drew University Madison NJ 201-408-5389G tlimonce\drunivac.Bitnet limonce\pilot.njin.net "Fences make good neighbors" -Frost "I want an MMU" -Me Standard disclaimer? No, we're still on the dpANS disclaimer. ------------------------------ From: UH2\PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: <66717UH2\PSUVM> Date: 9 Jan 89 15:12:07 GMT Organization: Penn State Erie, Behrend College In article <14519\oberon.USC.EDU>, papa\pollux.usc.edu (M"*|o the alternate character mode. Typing a ctrl-N should get it back to normal. >Heisenberg might have been here... That's MY quote$$$ (Imagine that$ I'm not the only one who thought of this$-) -- Aaron Avery, ASDG Inc. "A mime is a terrible thing to waste." -- Robin Williams ARPA: madnix$aaron\cs.wisc.edu uunet!ncoast$marque$ UUCP: harvard!rutgers!ucbvax$uwvax$astroatc$nicmad$madnix$aaron ----------------#+o-------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shimoda\infohh.rmi.de (Markus Schmidt) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <477\infohh.rmi.de> Date: 19 Jan 89 22:00:12 GMT Organization: RMI Net * Aachen/Hamburg/Flensburg * W.Germany Reply-To: shimoda\infohh.rmi.de (Markus Schmidt) In article <8901180336.AA01749\jade.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) writes: >ARRRGh$$$ >What do i do to get FF to subst$,Haitute cleanII in place of ugly little topaz, For me the command "FF topay.font" works well. Have you opened your CleanII by some other command? >what are the other command line options, and OOPS, thirdly, Sorry, dunno >what to i do to reset my cli when it gets put into the alternate >charater set when you type an executible without the opt h Just Type CTRL-O > >Thanks for the Help.... Plaease ..-----------------------------------------------------------------. ! shimoda\rmi.de %٪Qv `---' The last remaining adventure ! ! shimoda\gopnbg.UUCP !O o! since there are no more tigers: ! ! ==Y== Doublebuffered async. I/O _ ! !----------------------- `U' ------------------------------ _ // ! ! Good terminalpackages begin with A: AmigaCall, A-Ta.. @// ! `-----------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** FF to subst.qTto under 20kbytes/sec; come on$ I've got an ST4096 ST506 interface drive hooked to my A2090A. I saw no measurable difference in performance with different interleave values (under the FFS). I've never run it under the OFS, so I can't compare any numbers there, but I get a pretty solid 200-240K/second with Diskperf (32K buffers). -- Blaine Gardner \ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 Here: utah-cs$esunix$blgardne ucbvax,allegra,decvax$decwrl$esunix$blgardne There: uunet$iconsys$caeco$pedro$worsel$blaine "Nobody will ever need more than 64K." "Nobody needs multitasking on a PC." ------------------------------ From: richard\gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) Subject: Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck Message-ID: <10481\gryphon.COM> Date: 9 Jan 89 05:21:36 GMT Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, CA Reply-To: richard\gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) Summary: Words of wisdom Lloyd, WORDS OF WISDOM. In articl0xA8v V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: stewartw\cognos.uucp (Stewart Winter) Subject: Ferrari Formula I and Kickstart 1.3 Message-ID: <5039\cognos.UUCP> Date: 16 Jan 89 22:02:12 GMT Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa, Canada Reply-To: stewartw\cognos.UUCP (Stewart Winter) Ferrari Formula I doesn't seem to work well under 1.3. Anyone else seen this problem? Is there a known solution? Stewart -- Stewart Winter Cognos Incorporated S-mail: 1PP.O. Box 9707 Voice: (613) 738-1440 FAX: (613) 738-0002 3755 Riverside Drive uucp: uunet$cognos$stewartw Ottawa, Ontario " xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxx xxx xxxx xx xxxxx." CANADA K1G 3Z4 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cheung\vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU (Wilson Cheung) Subject: FFS Message-ID: <2114\vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU> Date: 17 Jan 89 06:07:48 GMT O2@Jrganization: Villanova Univ. EE Dept. Keywords: Where's the speed gain? Well, I finally after spending a whole day backing up and reformatting my hard disk (not to mention competely trashing a 40 meg drive) I finally got the FFS working on a ST225 with an Expansion Technologies ST506 hard card. And in eager anticipation I click on my Scribble$ wordprocessor, the same program that took 7 seconds to load under the old system takes-- hold my breath-- 7 seconds to load under FF3OS. Whoopee$ Under what conditions will FFS afford you no speed gain? Would I gain some speed if I changed the interleave in the high level format? You start out with a hard drive that Seagate strictly states must be operated at 5 Mbits/sec for proper operation, and somewhere in between we drop to under 20kbytes/sec; come on$ Wilson Cheung ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site ro- uter.kpo.fi From: blgardne\esunix.UUCP (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: FFS Message-ID: <1197\esunix.UUCP> Date: 19 Jan 89 01:52:24 GMT Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation > Under what conditions will FFS afford you no speed gain? Would > I gain some speed if I changed the interleave in the high level format? > You start out with a hard drive that Seagate strictly states must be > operated at 5 Mbits/sec for proper operation, and somewhere in between > we drop 5%e.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) writes: >ARRRGh$$$ >I' ve just spent a futile 30 minutes doing my damnedest to >get fast fonts to work on my system. > >finally, getting pissed off, I typed out the FF executible in >hex mode, and I see that there are a whole load of command line options >such as B, 8, 9 , 0 F N Q and 1 >the enhancer manual only mentions the 0 and n options.... > I'm sorry I can't answer your questions, but I can pose one of my own (y6eah, like that's what you really want to hear.) -> How ( if possible) can I get fast fonts to work with a 11-point font? If I can't, is there a program out there which can? (I know one of the fish disk has a replacement for the text() which does this) If not, is there any chance of a fix for ff to handle this? -Thanks -Vincent H. Lee ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ecarroll\cs.tcd.ie (Eddy7Rg Carroll) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <32186\cs.tcd.ie> Date: 19 Jan 89 20:25:52 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin In article <10865\umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU>, brant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) writes: > In article <8901180336.AA01749\jade.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) writes: > >>what to i do to reset my cli when it gets put into the alternate >>charater set when you type an executible without the opt h >8L%[ > Again, if you are in the shell, you have to exit the shell to get out of > the alternate character set. You can then startup a new shell & everything > will be hunky. > In a vanilla CLI, just typing BackSpace will be enough to reselect the normal character set. In the Dillon/Drew Shell V2.08, I included the sequence ^O in my _prompt, so the normal character set got selected at the end of each command. The Borreo/Dieni Shell V3.01 automatically does this for you. -- Ed9dy Carroll ----* Genuine MUD Wizard ! "You haven't lived until INTER: ecarroll\cs.tcd.ie ! until you've died in UUCP: ..uunet$mcvax$ukc$cs.tcd.ie$csvax1$ecarroll ! MUD$" - Richard Bartle ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <411\madnix.UUCP> Date: 19 Jan 89 13:44:16 GMT Organization:@M : ASDG Incorporated Reply-To: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) In article <8901180336.AA01749\jade.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) writes: >ARRRGh$$$ >I' ve just spent a futile 30 minutes doing my damnedest to >get fast fonts to work on my system. I'm sorry that it was futile, but I spent many more than 30 minutes tracking down a bug in FF. >the font is cleanII, there is a cleanII.font and a cleanII directory >with 8 in it int fonts:, and if I type out the c;/leanII.font file in >hex mode, it references cleanII/8, so that part is right... > >trying FF cleanII.font results in it saying that it can't open >cleanII.font twice... Well, the *.font format appears to be the way FF wants it. I had it complain twice, too. Well, from what you said above, I would have expected FF to find the font, but probably complain about its being proportional, when it isn't. >finally, getting pissed off, I typed out the FF executible in >hex mode, and I see tsuch as B, 8, 9 , 0 F N Q and 1 >the enhancer manual only mentions the 0 and n options.... I can only add -q, which seems to completely unload the FastFonts code from memory. >What do i do to get FF to substitute cleanII in place of ugly little topaz, Well, I did finally manage to get it to work. I had heard rumblings about this back when 1.3 first came out. It appears that the FontEditor from Commodore has a slight bug i=Qn that it will indicate that a font is both a disk-based font and a ROM-based font when it saves a font. This would not be a big problem if FF did things right. However, when FF tries to check to see if the font is proportional, it doesn't check correctly. It should check bit 5 in the ta_Flags variable which is stored with the font. Instead, it ANDs 5 with ta_Flags, thus checking if it's a ROM-based font or a right-to- left printing font. I believe this was a simple, one character ty > ]po in the source, but I'm surprised it didn't get caught, as it failed to work with ANY of the 8x8 fonts I had laying around. The way to fix this problem, once you get FF to the point of only complaining about the font being proportional, is to edit the '8' file in the directory. Starting about 100 bytes into the file (pearl is 100, it might differ), you should find something like '000800430008'. The eights should be the same, but the middle value may differ. You need to be sure tha!)1t bits 0 and 2 are both clear. In this case, setting it to 42 will both work and be correct. All values are in hex. The best program I know of to make this modification is John Hodgeson's NewZap program. Let me know how it all works out. I'm now using my cli and term program with pearl.font and I love it$ >what to i do to reset my cli when it gets put into the alternate >charater set when you type an executible without the opt h When the console.device sees a ctrl-O, it will go int @ type ^O or anything else. >--Chuck McManis -Gary Brant ARPA: brant\uf.msc.umn.edu My employer knows nothing about my ravings. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cmcmanis%pepper\Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <85848\sun.uucp> Date: 18 Jan 89 17:56:58 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View Reply-To: cmcmanis\sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) In articl AwDe <8901180336.AA01749\jade.berkeley.edu> (Jonathan Crone) writes: -> ... thirdly, ->what to i do to reset my cli when it gets put into the alternate ->charater set when you type an executible without the opt h In article <10865\umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> brant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) writes: ->Again, if you are in the shell, you have to exit the shell to get out of ->the alternate character set. You can then startup a new shell & everythingBP[= ->will be hunky. Well can't you just type ^O and get the regular characters back ? I don't use the dillon/drew shell so I don't know if this is trapped but I don't think it would be. Oh, and ^N will put your back into funky character mode. (ASCII codes for SI == Shift In, SO == Shift Out) --Chuck McManis uucp: anywhere$sun$cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis\sun.com These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. ------------------------------ C^k Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ejkst\cisunx.UUCP (Eric J. Kennedy) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <15089\cisunx.UUCP> Date: 19 Jan 89 04:52:12 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Reply-To: ejkst\unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu (Eric J. Kennedy) In article <85848\sun.uucp> cmcmanis\sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: brant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) writes: <->Again, ifDc?r you are in the shell, you have to exit the shell to get out of <->the alternate character set. You can then startup a new shell & everything <->will be hunky. Date: 19 Jan 89 17:24:39 GMT Organization: Univ. ofFBQ2 Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Reply-To: ejkst\unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu (Eric J. Kennedy) In article <27596\ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) writes: >-> How ( if possible) can I get fast fonts to work with a 11-point font? > If I can't, is there a program out there which can? > (I know one of the fish disk has a replacement for the text() which does > this) > If not, is there any chance of a fix for ff to handle this? The version of fastfontsG7 that you could buy from MicroSmiths had an option that will enable it to work with an 11 point text. Unfortunately, I don't think that feature is in the one released with the 1.3 operating system. The other program that I'm aware of is Blitzfonts. In addition to the freely distributable 8 point version, Hayes Haugen wrote versions for 9 points through about 16 points. He promised to send you these versions in return for a shareware fee. Unfortunately, he then decided to blow off tHhe Amiga community, apparently. Anyone foolish enough to actually send him a shareware fee got nothing but a blank check for his generousity. But the 9-16 point versions of Blitzfonts do exist. -- Eric Kennedy ejkst\cisunx.UUCP ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ejkst\cisunx.UUCP (Eric J. Kennedy) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <15098\cisunx.UUCP> Date: 19 Jan 89 17:44:18 GMT OrganizatI72ion: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Reply-To: ejkst\unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu (Eric J. Kennedy) In article <15096\cisunx.UUCP> ejkst\unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu I angrily write: >Anyone foolish enough to actually send him [Hayes Haugen] a shareware fee >got nothing but a blank check for his generousity. That should be 'canceled check' of course. >But the 9-16 point versions of Blitzfonts do exist. And would I love to send them to Bob Page. Alas, they're definitely not redistribu4Otable in this way, even if the author is a jerk. -- Eric Kennedy ejkst\cisunx.UUCP ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <27596\ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 19 Jan 89 02:54:06 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Reply-To: me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) In article <8901180336.AA01749\jad-hersonally use Batch Ymodem or Zmodem whenever possible, just to bypass those problems. -- Eric Lee Green ..$ames,decwrl,mit-eddie,osu-cis$killer$elg Snail Mail P.O. Box 92191 Lafayette, LA 70509 Netter A: In Hell they run VMS. Netter B: No. In Hell, they run MS-DOS. And you only get 256k. ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** u may pad either with NUL > or CMP_EOF, and there is no reason for not using CMP_EOF when LzI P. Crone CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET cronejp\mcl.UUCP > >Heisenberg might have been here... You're welcome. -Gary Brant ARPA: brant\uf.msc.umn.edu [include ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: brant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <10876\umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> Date: 18 Jan 89 23:49:11 GMT Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Mh Inc. Reply-To: brant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) In article <85848\sun.uucp> cmcmanis\sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: >In article <8901180336.AA01749\jade.berkeley.edu> (Jonathan Crone) writes: > [ stuff deleted ] > >In article <10865\umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> brant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) writes: >->Again, if you are in the shell, you have to exit the shell to get out of >->the alternate character set. You can then startup a new shell & everything >->will be hunky. > >Well can't  ?Dyou just type ^O and get the regular characters back ? I don't >use the dillon/drew shell so I don't know if this is trapped but I don't >think it would be. Oh, and ^N will put your back into funky character mode. >(ASCII codes for SI == Shift In, SO == Shift Out) Alas, this does not work; I have tried this to no avail. Perhaps this has something to do with Steve Drew's RAW console code; I don't know. At any rate, just exiting the shell seems to clear things up without needing toO˄~ject: Fast Compilers Message-ID: <54\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU> Date: 14 Jan 89 05:49:40 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Reply-To: cs161agc\sdcc10.ucsd.edu.UUCP (John Schultz) Do any of the major Amiga compiler vendors offer a version of their compiler compiled for a 68020/30? If so, I need an '20. John Schultz ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) SP͍ubject: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <8901180336.AA01749\jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 18 Jan 89 03:21:58 GMT ARRRGh$$$ I' ve just spent a futile 30 minutes doing my damnedest to get fast fonts to work on my system. the font is cleanII, there is a cleanII.font and a cleanII directory with 8 in it int fonts:, and if I type out the cleanII.font file in hex mode, it references cleanII/8, so that part is right... using the enhancer manual statement of FF results in ff sQEaying that it can't open cleanII. (IE: FF cleanII) trying FF cleanII.font results in it saying that it can't open cleanII.font twice... finally, getting pissed off, I typed out the FF executible in hex mode, and I see that there are a whole load of command line options such as B, 8, 9 , 0 F N Q and 1 the enhancer manual only mentions the 0 and n options.... so, two questions.... What do i do to get FF to substitute cleanII in place of ugly little topaz, what are the otheRr command line options, and OOPS, thirdly, what to i do to reset my cli when it gets put into the alternate charater set when you type an executible without the opt h Thanks for the Help.... I need it -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan P. Crone CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET cronejp\mcl.UUCP Heisenberg might have been here... ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bSDrant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) Subject: Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Message-ID: <10865\umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> Date: 18 Jan 89 05:40:48 GMT Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc. Reply-To: brant\uf.msc.umn.edu (Gary Brant) Summary: ARRRGh$$$ In article <8901180336.AA01749\jade.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP\UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) writes: >ARRRGh$$$ >I' ve just spent a futile 30 minutes doing my damnedest to >get fast fonts to work on my system. [ ... ] >results in ff sTBDkaying that it can't open cleanII. >(IE: FF cleanII) > >trying FF cleanII.font results in it saying that it can't open >cleanII.font twice... > >What do i do to get FF to substitute cleanII in place of ugly little topaz, If you are using the Dillon/Drew shell, you must first quit the shell then type FF clean.font then you can re-enter the shell. It would probably make life easier if you put this line in your startup-sequence. FF is just much too picky about what it finds on the K_command line. >what are the other command line options, and OOPS, thirdly, >what to i do to reset my cli when it gets put into the alternate >charater set when you type an executible without the opt h Again, if you are in the shell, you have to exit the shell to get out of the alternate character set. You can then startup a new shell & everything will be hunky. > >Thanks for the Help.... >I need it > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jonathan"VB*Cuucp:...$pollux$papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux$papa\oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga$" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <405\madnix.UUCP> Date: 17 Jan 89 07:15:03 GMT Organization: ASDG Incorpor#WUPated Reply-To: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) In article <470\infohh.rmi.de> shimoda\infohh.rmi.de (Markus Schmidt) writes: >with chopping. According to Chuck Forsberg you may pad either with NUL >or CMP_EOF, and there is no reason for not using CMP_EOF when the last >byte of the file is NUL. >Of course the receiver may only chop those PADs that match the last byte >in the transfer and not mixed 00 and 1A. This is the correct way to do it. This is how I've always done it. This, ho$XSF6wever, still cannot deal with the file who's real length exactly fills the last block. Then, if the last character or few characters are either NULL or CPM_EOF, they will (incorrectly) get chopped. More people should just support simple batch Ymodem. It's almost exactly the same as Xmodem (code wise), sends the filename and length, and handles batch transfers. -- Aaron Avery, ASDG Inc. "A mime is a terrible thing to waste." %YN: -- Robin Williams ARPA: madnix$aaron\cs.wisc.edu uunet!ncoast$marque$ UUCP: harvard!rutgers!ucbvax$uwvax$astroatc$nicmad$madnix$aaron ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: sterling\cbmvax.UUCP (Rick Sterling QA) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <5707\cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 17 Jan 89 16:48:06 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: sterling\cbmvax.UUCP (Rick Sterli&Zi/ng QA) In article <6818\killer.DALLAS.TX.US> elg\killer.DALLAS.TX.US (Eric Green) writes: > in article <470\infohh.rmi.de>, shimoda\infohh.rmi.de (Markus Schmidt) says: > > If the uploader handled the file correct there should be no problem > > with chopping. According to Chuck Forsberg you may pad either with NUL > > or CMP_EOF, and there is no reason for not using CMP_EOF when the last > > byte of the file is NUL. > > Of course the receiver may only chop those PADs that match the'[N last byte > > in the transfer and not mixed 00 and 1A. > > Let's say that your file length is an exact multiple of 128 bytes. > Further, let's say that your file ends with fifteen NUL characters. > Xmodem will not create an extra empty padding block. Thus an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > autochopper will chop off 15 bytes of your file. > > That's just one example of why Xmodem is brain-dead for use with > non-CP/M systems. I personally use Batch Ymodem or (\VZmodem whenever > possible, just to bypass those problems. > > -- > Eric Lee Green ..$ames,decwrl,mit-eddie,osu-cis$killer$elg > Snail Mail P.O. Box 92191 Lafayette, LA 70509 > Netter A: In Hell they run VMS. > Netter B: No. In Hell, they run MS-DOS. And you only get 256k. According to my reading of the protocol it should create the extra padding block with ^Z's ... This is how I implemented it in several term progs in the past.... 1. If file is a multiple of 1)]728 bytes and does not end with ]00 or ]1A send file as is. 2. If file is a multiple of 128 bytes and ends with ]00 then pad extra block with ]1A 3. If file is a multiple of 128 bytes and ends with ]1A then pad extra block with ]00 4. If file is not multiple of 128 bytes and ends with ]00 then pad to end of block with ]1A 5. If file is not multiple of 128 bytes and ends with ]1A then pad to end of block with ]00 6. If file is not a multiple of 128 bytes and do*^}a>es not end with ]00 or ]1A then pad to end of block with ]1A No 'munged' files ;-) - Rick - -- *============================================================================ Rick Sterling COMMODORE AMIGA TEST ENGINEERING N2CGI UUCP allegra,rutgers$cbmvax$sterling *============================================================================ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site r+_*e_outer.kpo.fi From: elg\killer.DALLAS.TX.US (Eric Green) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <6818\killer.DALLAS.TX.US> Date: 17 Jan 89 02:38:22 GMT Organization: The Unix(R) Connection, Dallas, Texas in article <470\infohh.rmi.de>, shimoda\infohh.rmi.de (Markus Schmidt) says: > If the uploader handled the file correct there should be no problem > with chopping. According to Chuck Forsberg you may pad either with NUL > or CMP_EOF, and there is no reason for not using CMP_EOF when,J2 the last > byte of the file is NUL. > Of course the receiver may only chop those PADs that match the last byte > in the transfer and not mixed 00 and 1A. Let's say that your file length is an exact multiple of 128 bytes. Further, let's say that your file ends with fifteen NUL characters. Xmodem will not create an extra empty padding block. Thus an autochopper will chop off 15 bytes of your file. That's just one example of why Xmodem is brain-dead for use with non-CP/M systems. I pa Aterm, because there are VERY few files that will ever be adversely affected. Aterm does not require 'twice the space' to do autochop. You are welcome to the source code for Aterm 7.3 if you are interested. If you are not on CIS (or any network where it might also be), I'd be happy to mail it to you. > -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -larry -- Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck. +------------------------------------bpB----------------------------------+ ! // Larry Phillips ! ! @X/ lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca or uunet$van-bc$lpami$lphillips ! ! COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shimoda\infohh.rmi.de (Markus Schmidt) Subject: cC:jRe: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <470\infohh.rmi.de> Date: 15 Jan 89 10:48:41 GMT Organization: RMI Net * Aachen/Hamburg/Flensburg * W.Germany Reply-To: shimoda\infohh.rmi.de (Markus Schmidt) Hi$ If the uploader handled the file correct there should be no problem with chopping. According to Chuck Forsberg you may pad either with NUL or CMP_EOF, and there is no reason for not using CMP_EOF when the last byte of the file is NUL. Of course the receiver may only chop those PADs that matcdh the last byte in the transfer and not mixed 00 and 1A. AmigaCall (unfortunately only aviable in Europe as a german version) exactly does that. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <14733\oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 17 Jan 89 07:33:47 GMT Organization: Felsina Software, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Keywords: zoo eסarc vt100 ATalk-III chop zmodem In article <343\antares.UUCP> pnelson\antares.UUCP (Phil Nelson) writes: !In article <14652\oberon.USC.EDU! papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: !!When running the resulting program one will get the dreaded !!"unable to load XXXX: file is not an objetc module". Whatever program you !!are using, please turn auto-chop off for .ARC and .ZOO files. ! !Please pardon my ignorance, but why must an auto-chop mung the end of a .zoo !or .arc file? Shouldn'fHzt it leave the file alone if it doesn't know how much !to chop? Chopping works by getting to the end-of-file and searching backward for a particular "hunk" that indicates the end of an Amiga loadable program. Using the fact that the uploaded file has an .ARC or .ZOO extension works most of the time, except when the user "renames" the file he/she is downloading (Note that auto-chopping has a meaning only for Xmodem transfers that require the user to select a "local" filename in whichg-30 to store the incoming file. YMODEM Batch, ZMODEM and Kermit file transfers always send the file size together with the file, so A-Talk III completely ignores the Auto-chop setting for these transfers. !By the way, I received my A-Talk III upgrade today, I'm running it now. So !far, I like it$ I tried a 9600 baud Z-modem transfer from a Sun server at !work, it worked 1st time, and very quickly. The ZMODEM code has been improved a LOT. As a matter of fact some UNIX hosts cannot keeh ep up with the speed A-Talk III can send files at. We are planning further unprovements to ZMODEM's performance by encoding the CRC generation/ checking in assembler. That's were now most of the time is spent, and those routines are still written in C (as ALL the rest of A-Talk III). By the way, I'd like to acknowledge the help we had with code improvements with Tomas Rokicki's [sorry If I misspelled it] profiler. The profiler works like a champ with ALL versions of MANX after 3.40i; e and is provided in the MANX release disks. !It may be that I will finally !retire vt100, which I have been using in preference to the several other !commercial comm programs I own. Maybe :-) Thanks, anyway. -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...$pollux$papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux$papa\oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga$" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= j?-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <14734\oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 17 Jan 89 07:37:44 GMT Organization: Felsina Software, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) In article <6818\killer.DALLAS.TX.US> elg\killer.DALLAS.TX.US (Eric Green) writes: !That's just one example!U~ of why Xmodem is brain-dead for use with !non-CP/M systems. I personally use Batch Ymodem or Zmodem whenever !possible, just to bypass those problems. Smart idea. And since now most BBSs and public networks support either one of those (or kermit which also has no "chopping" problems) there is really no need to use XMODEM (which moreover is way much slower than ZMODEM or YMODEM Batch). -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  llVdreaded >"unable to load XXXX: file is not an objetc module". Whatever program you >are using, please turn auto-chop off for .ARC and .ZOO files. > Please pardon my ignorance, but why must an auto-chop mung the end of a .zoo or .arc file? Shouldn't it leave the file alone if it doesn't know how much to chop? By the way, I received my A-Talk III upgrade today, I'm running it now. So far, I like it$ I tried a 9600 baud Z-modem transfer from a Sun server at work, it worked 1st time,  mjrand very quickly. It may be that I will finally retire vt100, which I have been using in preference to the several other commercial comm programs I own. >-- Marco Papa 'Doc' >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >uucp:...$pollux$papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux$papa\oberon.usc.edu > "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga$" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= njust another unofficial and unsolicited comment from: -- Phil Nelson at (but not speaking for) OnTyme:NSC.P/Nelson Tymnet, McDonnell Douglas Network Systems Company Voice:408-922-7508 UUCP:pyramid!amesoliveb$tymix$pnelson LRV:Component Station "ding ding..." -Santa Clara County Transit Company trolley car (AKA "LRV") ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: blgardne\esunix.UUCoWvP (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <1189\esunix.UUCP> Date: 15 Jan 89 07:55:15 GMT Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation > Auto Chop in general should hardly be used at all since most files on BBS are > now ARC-ed or ZOO-ed, especially all those animations. "Chopping" an ARC or > ZOO file will always produce a "munged" last file. If you are transferring > a single file, it will be munged and ZOO or ARC won't be able to decompress it > properpT& "unable to load XXXX: file is not an objetc module". Whatever program you > are using, please turn auto-chop off for .ARC and .ZOO files. Marco, several of the PD terminal programs disable auto-chop when the filename has a suffix of .ARC or .ZOO, does Atalk III do this? (I'm asking because it sounds like the answer is NO from your message.) Do you have plans to add an autodialer to Atalk III? The lack of one is the qvUbiggest reason I've got for not buying it. Right now I use Baud Bandit (the latest PD version of GT Comm, soon to be commercial) for dialing, and switch over to AZComm for file transfers. To make things even worse, I use Handshake for VT100 emulation when calling work (I was using VT100, but it doesn't support 19,200 BPS and with the Trailblazer Plus the serial port stays locked at 19,200 regardless of what speed the modem is running at) but have to exit it for Zmodem transfers againrA. Here's a few items from my fantasy terminal program wish list: 1) Zmodem (If you've got that, you've got it made.) 2) Autodialer with a circular queue (see Baud Bandit for the best example.) 3) The ability to send a setup string to the modem for each phonebook entry before dialing. (Obscure perhaps, but I've got a Telebit Trailblazer Plus, and I need to change a register if the computer I'm calling doesn't have a Trailblazer.) 4) Scripts for logon and such. 5) TRUE VTsfQ100 emulation, VT220 with the f-keys supported would be nice. The VT100 graphics character set too. 6) Flicker free color when ANSI color graphics are being displayed. Every terminal program I've seen has horrible flickers, flashes, and tears when a color combination other than 0 for background and 1 for text is scrolled. 7) 19,200 BPS support, full speed. (Again, a Trailblazer.) 8) Hardware handshaking support (Trailblazer again.) So am I dreaming, or is there a programth that will really do all this? -- Blaine Gardner \ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 Here: utah-cs$esunix$blgardne ucbvax,allegra,decvax$decwrl$esunix$blgardne There: uunet$iconsys$caeco$pedro$worsel$blaine "Nobody will ever need more than 64K." "Nobody needs multitasking on a PC." ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) Subject: Re: AtaluO|k III 1.0e Message-ID: <2147\van-bc.UUCP> Date: 15 Jan 89 09:25:12 GMT In <14652\oberon.USC.EDU>, papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: > Auto Chop in general should hardly be used at all since most files on BBS are > now ARC-ed or ZOO-ed, especially all those animations. "Chopping" an ARC or > ZOO file will always produce a "munged" last file. If you are transferring > a single file, it will be munged and ZOO or ARC won't be able to decompress it > properly. When running the r`Hesulting program one will get the dreaded > "unable to load XXXX: file is not an objetc module". Whatever program you > are using, please turn auto-chop off for .ARC and .ZOO files. Well Marco, it's unfortunate that your program mungs .ARC or .ZOO files, but I can assure you that it is not the case with all terminal programs. The one I am most familiar with, Aterm 7.3, definitely does not mung them. That was fixed ages ago. I always receommend that people leave AutoChop enabled on +e mad" He who steals my core-dump, steals trash ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** r Auto Chop On), a temporary copy of the file >is made. Therefore, you should "save" the file on a disk with a number of >free bytes larger than twice the size of the file to receive. The same >is true when transferring to a RAM disk. What? Comm and most other term programs I have seen don't need twice the space of a file free on disk to do auto kĴares.UUCP (Phil Nelson) Keywords: zoo arc vt100 ATalk-III chop zmodem Summary: why must auto-chop mung the file? In article <14652\oberon.USC.EDU> papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >now ARC-ed or ZOO-ed, especially all those animations. "Chopping" an ARC or >ZOO file will always produce a "munged" last file. If you are transferring >a single file, it will be munged and ZOO or ARC won't be able to decompress it >properly. When running the resulting program one will get the yFelsina Software, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) In article <00063\meph.UUCP> gsarff\meph.UUCP (Gary Sarff) writes: >In article <242\lakesys.UUCP> mikes\lakesys.UUCP (Mike Shawaluk) writes: >>In article <14049\oberon.USC.EDU> papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >The way Atalk III is doing it, someone with only floppies >won't be able to download large files, and amiga is getting larger files >all the time on bbs's and public networks as people make bz ig animations and >such. This sounds strange. Auto Chop in general should hardly be used at all since most files on BBS are now ARC-ed or ZOO-ed, especially all those animations. "Chopping" an ARC or ZOO file will always produce a "munged" last file. If you are transferring a single file, it will be munged and ZOO or ARC won't be able to decompress it properly. When running the resulting program one will get the dreaded "unable to load XXXX: file is not an objetc module". Whatev{6@oer program you are using, please turn auto-chop off for .ARC and .ZOO files. -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...$pollux$papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux$papa\oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga$" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4|e#w.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mikes\lakesys.UUCP (Mike Shawaluk) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <293\lakesys.UUCP> Date: 13 Jan 89 14:36:56 GMT Organization: Lake Systems - Milwaukee, Wisconsin Reply-To: mikes\lakesys.UUCP (Mike Shawaluk) In article <14652\oberon.USC.EDU> papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: > >Auto Chop in general should hardly be used at all since most files on BBS are >now ARC-ed or ZOO-ed, especially all those animations. "Chopping" an ARC or >ZOO f}㥑ile will always produce a "munged" last file. If you are transferring >a single file, it will be munged and ZOO or ARC won't be able to decompress it >properly. When running the resulting program one will get the dreaded >"unable to load XXXX: file is not an objetc module". Whatever program you >are using, please turn auto-chop off for .ARC and .ZOO files. > >-- Marco Papa 'Doc' Actually, I remember having problems with several of the PD terminal programs I used to use (vt100, Com~];m) before I bought a commercial one (I now own OnLine$ 2 and Atalk III), in regard to chopping; I also seem to recall that the most recent version of Vt100 (2.8?) does implement a correction to this anomaly. The problem, as I remember it, is that an .ARC file ends with the character sequence 0x1a00 (that is, CTRL-Z followed by a NUL byte), to indicate the "end of archive" mark. Most of the auto-chop routines will, unfortunately, delete these two bytes from the end, thus "corrupting>+ " the archive (I don't know what .ZOO files have in them, but most of the ZOO's I've seen lately have zzendpad.foo's in them, so it must be something similar). Anyways, with the increased usage of YMODEM-Batch, Zmodem, and even Kermit, which all communicate the file size to the receiving system, the need to "chop" files is, as Marco says, becoming less and less important, in addition to the reasons stated regarding archives. I guess all that I wanted to say here is that I believe t hat the statement "chopping will ALWAYS mung a ..ZOO or .ARC file" is a bit harsh or misleading; it should probably be reworded to "chopping an .ARC or .ZOO file using many (or most) terminal programs, including Atalk III, ...". I don't recall the exact technique that Vt100 uses for auto-chopping, but maybe Tony S. can share it with us? BTW, it was really important for that anomaly in VT100 to be corrected, since that program, at least in the earlier versions, did not give the user w a choice regarding autochopping; it ALWAYS chopped (tho I can't speak for the current version, as I haven't used it in a long time.) -- - Mike Shawaluk ...$uunet$marque$lakesys$mikes ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: pnelson\antares.UUCP (Phil Nelson) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <343\antares.UUCP> Date: 14 Jan 89 08:02:52 GMT Organization: Tymnet QSATS, San Jose CA Reply-To: pnelson\ant iassembler, this may not be the book for you. The Compute book is complete and has examples. The Tab book professes to be a book that a novice can learn from. Don't you believe it. It's just reference material, probably straight from Motorola and the RKM. It has only three programming examples. I read over half the book, and I feel that I still don't know the first thing about assembly language. The Tab book is probably goo!;d for people unfamiliar to assembly programming in general, and is too "easy" for the rest. A friend of mine is quite satisfied with the Compute book. The Abacus book should be avoided. The Abacus book's appendix is nice, but isn't worth the price of the book. I would recommend the Compute book. You can draw your own conclusions from this. Two people recommended the book _680x0_Programming_by_Example_ published by Sams. They both heartily recomme"` nded it. One person recommended _The_Kickstart_Guide_To_The_Amiga_ as a good book for those who have only previous experience with 8-bit computers. Conclusion ---------- While I was collecting and reading these opinions, my wife, a real sweetie, went out and bought me the Compute book. I'm happy with it. One thing I would have preferred is if they had assumed you had the standard Amiga includes and startup. I understand why they didn't do it, I just would have preferred it. The#BM3y have you create all the startup and include files that are necessary to use the programs in the book, explaining them in the process. A disk can be ordered with everything already on it (including an assembler) to save some typing time. I have the include file set on order from Commodore, so I decided to not type anything in and to just try and get their examples working my own way with Commodore's Amiga.lib and include files. Learn more that way, you know. :-) At worst, the bo$2Řok will make a good reference guide on how to do certain Amiga operations. I discovered while reading it that I actually did pretty much know what I was doing, I just needed to tie a few things together. I do recommend that anyone trying to program anything buy the RKMs. I wish I had a nickel for everytime I've seen the phrase, "for more information on this subject, read the RKM." I'm trying very hard to put off buying it until the new 1.3 version comes out. Anybody have any ide%,a when that might be?????? Happy assembling$ --Steve Crooks ...uunet$ingr$crooks$crooks (UUCP) crooks$crooks\ingr.com (Internet) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: plouff\levers.dec.com (Wes Plouff) Subject: At the Magic Million Mark Message-ID: <8901192223.AA13636\decwrl.dec.com> Date: 20 Jan 89 01:10:00 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporat&Lion Last Tuesday, January 17, Wes Young of A.G. Edwards (a stockbroker) talked about Commodore's latest results. The company is getting more attention these days from Wall Street, including positive writeups in the financial press. Hard numbers include 1 million C-64 units sold last year. Only 24% of Commodore's revenue (all products) comes from the USA, over half from Europe. In the USA, CBM now has 1600 Amiga dealers. A2000HD and A2500 models are "flying" out dealers' doors. ' Young's guesses: cumulative sales of Amigas have reached 1 million units, finally. As discussed to death in this newsgroup, this is an industry threshold which should bring in many new companies and products, and get much wider recognition for Amiga. Young breaks down the million this way: 150K A1000, 100-150K A2000, 700-750K A500. Worldwide, Amiga is selling at a faster rate than Macintosh. Good news, eh? In honor of this new milestone, check out the revised signature line...(Ҥ -- Wes Plouff, Digital Equipment Corp, Littleton, Mass. plouff%levers.dec\decwrl.dec.com Amiga -- over 256,000,000,000 pixels sold. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: gsarff\meph.UUCP (Gary Sarff) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <00063\meph.UUCP> Date: 23 Dec 88 17:52:03 GMT Organization: WICAT Systems Inc. Orem, Utah (Engineering-R & D) In article <242\lakesys.UUCP> mikes\lakesys.UUCP (Mike Shawa)luk) writes: >In article <14049\oberon.USC.EDU> papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >> >1. CHOP >------- >When chopping files (Transfer Auto Chop On), a temporary copy of the file >is made. Therefore, you should "save" the file on a disk with a number of >free bytes larger than twice the size of the file to receive. The same >is true when transferring to a RAM disk. What? Comm and most other term programs I have seen don't need twice the space of a file free on disk to do auto*vchopping. Just look at the block received at the end of file and scan backwards and only write out non-pad bytes to the disk. The way Atalk III is doing it, someone with only floppies won't be able to download large files, and amiga is getting larger files all the time on bbs's and public networks as people make big animations and such. This sounds strange. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Those whom the gods would destroy, they first mak(rites: >Can anyone (Perry, Eric?) point me in the direction of a hard drive >controller card that will work in ASDG's Minirack C? I had hoped to No hard drive controller card will work in a Minirack C. You're right that it's only for use with our memory boards, and was sold as such. >I'm not aware of any hard drive controllers that were ever made in the >Zorro I format, but I've heard that there are some 1/2 length A2000 hard >drive controllers that would fit the Minirack. The big RD@Gquestion is: if I >can find a controller that will fit, will it WORK? I recall the failed >attempts to get anything but an ASDG card to work in the ASDG/Micron >expansion box for the 1000. As I recall the discussion, the ASDG/Micron >box was an unbuffered, unintelligent box with only +5 volts supplied. >Since this also seems to describe the Minirack C, I'm worried about >finding anything that will work. Yes, there were a few HD controllers that were made in the Zorro I format, but tYVhey're pretty hard to come by these days. One note -- ASDG had _nothing_ to do with the Micron expansion box. We did license our 2Meg board to them, but that's all. The main difference between the Zorro I edge connector and Zorro II is the +12 volt line. >Or could I reasonably hack a C into a D? ^^^^^^^^^^ Never. -- Aaron Avery, ASDG Inc. "A mime is a terrible thing to waste." -- Robin Williams UUCP: !p*=harvard!rutgers!ucbvax$uwvax$nicmad$madnix$aaron ARPA: madnix$aaron\cs.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cheung\vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU (Wilson Cheung) Subject: Re: ASDG Minirack C compatible HD controller? Message-ID: <2113\vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU> Date: 17 Jan 89 02:43:20 GMT Organization: Villanova Univ. EE Dept. Keywords: ASDG hard drive Minirack Zorro Summary: Zorro I hard card In article <392\mbadnix.UUCP>, aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) writes: > In article <1184\esunix.UUCP> blgardne\esunix.UUCP (Blaine Gardner) writes: > >Can anyone (Perry, Eric?) point me in the direction of a hard drive > >controller card that will work in ASDG's Minirack C? I had hoped to > > No hard drive controller card will work in a Minirack C. You're right that > it's only for use with our memory boards, and was sold as such. > Well actually there is still one hard card that will work in a Mini$-Rack C. Expansion Technologies in California makes a system called the Escort two which is a two slot Zorro I box intended for a 2 Meg board and a ST-506 controller. I've had no problems getting the board to work in my mini-rack C. The minus side of this card is that it is rather expensive; about ]399 for a 2 disk controller. If you also get a hard disk from them they will charge you a premium price. If you shop around in Computer Shopper you should be able to get an ST251, 28ms)c:Q half height drive for around ]400. This will provide you with a 40 meg drive with controller for around ]800 which is comparable to other hard drive systems on the market. On the down side it is may be the slowest hard drive systems for the Amiga. You'll get dramatic improvement over a floppy, but to most other SCSI systems it's a turtle. Also it doesn't seem to show speed improvement when operated under FFS. However, if you want to avoid trying out some SOTS hard controller (I t6ried the C Ltd with the Mini Rack and was unsuccessful), you pretty much have no choice but to get this controller, sigh. Wilson Cheung ------------------------------ From: crooks\ingr.com (Steve Crooks) Subject: assembly language books Message-ID: <3413\ingr.com> Date: 9 Jan 89 20:13:32 GMT Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, Al Here are the results of my call for opinions on Amiga assembly language books. I received 7 responses. There arj0e three books available, all with approximately the same name (I can't remember them specifically :-). The publishers are Tab, Abacus, and Compute. The responders rated them approximately thusly: trash not very good ok great Tab 1 4 Abacus 2 1 1 Compute 2 1 The various comments given (paraphrased to save some room): I recommend both the Abacus & TZab books because they cover different aspects for programming assembly on the Amiga. Keep away from the Abacus book$ It flys through the instruction set. Almost every single example goes straight to the hardware. The English translation is 100% broken, hard to read English. The only thing I liked about it was it's appendix, which has all the Library Vector Offsets and their register usage in one spot. The Abacus book is somxcewhat specific, in that it uses the Assempro assembler as a base from which to explain things and give examples. The Tab book falls down somewhat in the examples area. The Compute book is pretty good, and will get the novice going. I would say the Tab book is a qualified ``good''. There are gaps and errors. If your first assembler language was Z80, you will have no trouble understanding it. If you cut your teeth on another ,Hw UnlockIBase(lock) ; CloseLibrary((struct Library *) IntuitionBase) ; exit(OK) ; -- Tell me how d'you get to be Mike Meyer As beautiful as that? mwm\berkeley.edu How did you get your mind ucbvax$mwm To tilt like your hat? mwm\ucbjade.BITNET ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest ***************-'L{************* w -> NextWindow) if (strncmp(w -> Title, argv[i], length) == 0) printf("%d/%d/%d/%d/%s@n", w -> LeftEdge, w -> TopEdge, w -> Width, w -> Height, w -> Title) ; /* * Done with Intuition - free the lock, and then close the library and exit. */  }ryland, College Park Reply-To: louie\trantor.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) How to keep arp.library from being flushed? How about a diddly program: [include struct Library *foo, *OpenLibray(); main() foo = OpenLibrary("arp.library", 0L); if (foo == (struct Library *) NULL) printf("Can't open arp.library@n"); exit(0); This will open the library, but not close  K2it. A library with a non-zero reference count won't be Expunged from memory. Personally, I don't think that doing this is a good idea, but you asked.. Louis A. Mamakos WA3YMH Internet: louie\TRANTOR.UMD.EDU University of Maryland, Computer Science Center - Systems Programming ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: peter\sugar.uu.net (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: Arp.library Message-ID: <3297\sugar.uu.nxCet> Date: 17 Jan 89 02:06:38 GMT Organization: Sugar Land Unix - Houston, TX /* ARPLOCK.c -- no copyright, no guarantees, just something that should work. Usage: "RUN ARPLOCK" To remove: do a STATUS to get the task number (n), then type "BREAK PROCESS ". This should be the minimal 'C' program to do the job. Well, you could try it with no 'C' runtime and grab ExecBase yourself. */ [include [include _main() strucqt Library *OpenLibrary(), *arpbase; arpbase = OpenLibrary("arp.library", 0); if(arpbase) Wait(SIGBREAKF_CTRL_C); CloseLibrary(arpbase); Exit(0); Exit(20); -- Peter "Have you hugged your wolf today" da Silva `-_-' Hackercorp. ....texbell$sugar$peter, or peter\sugar.uu.net 'U` ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: blgardKne\esunix.UUCP (Blaine Gardner) Subject: ASDG Minirack C compatible HD controller? Message-ID: <1184\esunix.UUCP> Date: 13 Jan 89 07:04:55 GMT Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Keywords: ASDG hard drive Minirack Zorro Can anyone (Perry, Eric?) point me in the direction of a hard drive controller card that will work in ASDG's Minirack C? I had hoped to upgrade to the 2000 & 1 box, but that's now history so I'd like to expand with my existing hardware. I'm not awaare of any hard drive controllers that were ever made in the Zorro I format, but I've heard that there are some 1/2 length A2000 hard drive controllers that would fit the Minirack. The big question is: if I can find a controller that will fit, will it WORK? I recall the failed attempts to get anything but an ASDG card to work in the ASDG/Micron expansion box for the 1000. As I recall the discussion, the ASDG/Micron box was an unbuffered, unintelligent box with only +5 volts supplied. Q/|Since this also seems to describe the Minirack C, I'm worried about finding anything that will work. I'd really like to put a card inside the Minirack, rather than try to wedge a slap-on-the-side controller between the Minirack and the 1000. And it looks like there's room to mount a 3.5" hard drive (possibly a 1/2 high 5.25") inside the Minirack too. I'd have to do a bit of hacking (including +12 volts for the drive), but that's no problem. If there is nothing that will work in a Mdinirack C, what about a Minirack D, and does ASDG have any kind of upgrade policy for obsolete hardware? :-) Or could I reasonably hack a C into a D? Any ideas, or am I crazy to try and make a clean looking installation out of my existing hardware? -- Blaine Gardner \ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 Here: utah-cs$esunix$blgardne ucbvax,allegra,decvax$decwrl$esunix$blgardne There: uunet$iconsys$caeco$pedro$worsel$blaine "Nobody will ever need more than 6|4K." "Nobody needs multitasking on a PC." ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) Subject: Re: ASDG Minirack C compatible HD controller? Message-ID: <392\madnix.UUCP> Date: 14 Jan 89 18:11:26 GMT Organization: ASDG Incorporated Reply-To: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) Keywords: ASDG hard drive Minirack Zorro In article <1184\esunix.UUCP> blgardne\esunix.UUCP (Blaine Gardner) w!t, but because I want to let it use my >68881. Larry Gutkowski has indicated he'll recompile it for me with the '881 >hooks, but we need the source for that. I understand the source is *very* >large, but perhaps something could be worked out on floppy... > >: >: -- Tim Stark > -Bill Seymour ...tektronix$reed$percival$agora$billsey Er, please add me to that list. In fact I'd dearly love to get a copy of ASpice if someone can tell me who and how. -- Sometim" (les a bird in the hand leaves a sticky deposit. Perhaps it were best it remain there in the bush with the other one. \_\ jdow\bix (where else?) Sometimes the dragon wins. Sometimes jdow\gryphon.CTS.COM the knight. Does the fair maiden ever backbone$gryphon$jdow win? Surely both the knight and dragon stink. Maybe the maiden should suicide? Bet#Jter yet - she should get an Amiga and quit playing with dragons and knights. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mwm\violet.berkeley.edu (Mike (I'll think of something yet) Meyer) Subject: Another minor window hack Message-ID: <18995\agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 89 02:51:57 GMT Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Reply-To: mwm\violet.berkeley.edu (Mik$yјe (I'll think of something yet) Meyer) The following is the other half of placewindow (for those who remember that). It will print out the location/size of any (or all) windows on the system, upon request. Use is to place a window the way you want it to be, and then dumpwindow it to get the nubers to plug into whatever startup mechanism it has for placement - or placewindow if it has no such mechanism. Output is suitable for handing to con: or placewindow or etc. with editin% 6g. One thing - I'm not sure about printf()'ing while IntuitionBase is Locked. Don't think it should be a problem, and it hasn' yet. But doing window manipulations while dumpwindow is working could cause troubles. Then again, you should run dumpwindow unless everything is stable anyway. Compile with Lattice 5.01. Use short ints, and line with cres.o. All works fine. [include [include [include [include [include [include [include [include [include [include /* * Declare names for the error returns. */ [define OK 0 [define NO_INTUITION 20 extern struct IntuitionBase *IntuitionBase ; void main(argc, argv) char **argv; register struct Window *w ; register struct Screen *s ; register short length, i ; long ) lock ; /* * Setup - see if we need to fake a second argument. This works with Lattice * 5.0, and should work with all ANSI compilers, as argv[argc] is * supposed to be a NULL pointer. */ if (argc == 1) argc = 2 ; /* * Now, get IntuitionBase so we can find the window we need. */ if ((IntuitionBase = (struct IntuitionBase *) OpenLibrary("intuition.library", 0)) == NULL) fprintf(stderr, "%s: Can't o*R8pen intuition@n", argv[0]) ; exit(NO_INTUITION) ; /* * We need to know how much of the window title to check. */ length = strlen(argv[1]) ; /* * Now, for each argument search through all windows to see if they're the * one we want. */ lock = LockIBase(0L) ; for (i = 1; i < argc; i++) for (s = IntuitionBase -> FirstScreen; s; s = s -> NextScreen) for (w = s -> Firs+_8tWindow; w; w = w -> NextWindow) if (strncmp(w -> Title, argv[i], length) == 0) printf("%d/%d/%d/%d/%s@n", w -> LeftEdge, w -> TopEdge, w -> Width, w -> Height, w -> Title) ; /* * Done with Intuition - free the lock, and then close the library and exit. */ jlua.bitnet Gallaudet University ! Internet: 11tstark\gallux.gallaudet.edu P.O. Box 1453 ! "Gallaudet University is the only university for Washington, DC 20002 ! the deaf in the world." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rap\ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) Subject: Re: AmigaSpice source code??? Message-ID: <P1732\ardent.UUCP> Date: 12 Jan 89 18:43:56 GMT Organization: Dana Computer, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA Summary: if they did it right... In article <8901120052.AA26145\ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, 11TSTARK\GALLUA.BITNET (Timothy Stark) writes: > Without source code, it may be bigger > and bigger problems with new OS releases. :( With source code, if new > OS release come, I can re-compile them quickly without waiting for next > new release for new OS release. But, Tim, when folks folX'low the rules that the OS folks have estabished, and used "standard" system functions, the OS folks USUALLY manage to establish backward compatibility with previous software with no need to recompile anything. So your "OLD" software should, if rules were followed, run under the new OS. "NEW" software, on the other hand, is usually free to use new services provided by the new OS, and has the right to specify (or perhaps lets say demand) that the user acquire the new OS in or+ +tder to run in the first place. Of course, the smart developer makes sure that his software is backwards compatible with what is most likely to be the most widely distributed version of the "old" OS software and only use the new calls if the program can detect that it is indeed running under the new OS. So even if you have a NEW OS, you may still have the OLD source code (since you feel you are not willing to wait), so YOU have to fix the problems, and not the developer... so cit won't be a quick recompile after all. SO, if the rules are followed, most of the time (other than to learn from or to have a warm fuzzy feeling) there is no need to have the source code in the first place. If you trust the developer and like what he has done, you probably don't need the source. Rob Peck ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: billsey\agora.UUCP (Bill Seymour) Subject: Re: Amig_aSpice source code??? Message-ID: <1329\agora.UUCP> Date: 14 Jan 89 05:02:52 GMT Organization: Advanced Solutions, Hillsboro, OR : : Thanks for many notes which you sent me. He mailed me a copy of ASpice : package the last minute. I now have an Aspice. I now am looking for ASpice : source code. Is its source code avaliable for Amiga systems? At FTP? Etc.. : Why does the most developers not want hand to anyone their source codes : personally?? I do not agree that$ Without source code, it may be bigger : and bigger problems with new OS releases. :( With source code, if new : OS release come, I can re-compile them quickly without waiting for next : new release for new OS release. I would really like to see the source for this also... Not so much because of anything I could do to it, but because I want to let it use my 68881. Larry Gutkowski has indicated he'll recompile it for me with the '881 hooks, but we need the source for that. IZi understand the source is *very* large, but perhaps something could be worked out on floppy... : : -- Tim Stark : : :-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : Don't send your mail through UUNET site because it is a black hole. Use : UCBVAX or RELAY.CS.NET gateway to send mail to gallux.gallaudet.edu. Thank$ :-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : Timothy Stark ! Bitnet: 11tstark\ganllua.bitnet : Gallaudet University ! Internet: 11tstark\gallux.gallaudet.edu : P.O. Box 1453 ! "Gallaudet University is the only university for : Washington, DC 20002 ! the deaf in the world." :-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- -Bill Seymour ...tektronix$reed$percival$agora$billsey ...tektronix$sequent$blowpig$billsey Creative Microsystems Northwest Amiga PGroup At Home Sometimes (503) 684-9300 (503) 656-7393 BBS (503) 640-0842 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jdow\gryphon.COM (J. Dow) Subject: Re: AmigaSpice source code??? Message-ID: <10761\gryphon.COM> Date: 15 Jan 89 11:31:59 GMT Organization: Wizardess Designs, Hermosa Beach, Ca. Reply-To: jdow\gryphon.COM (J. Dow) In article <1329\agora.UUCP> billsey\agora.UUCP (Bil |X]l Seymour) writes: >From article <8901120052.AA26145\ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU:, by 11TSTARK\GALLUA.BITNET (Timothy Stark): >: Hello, >: >: Thanks for many notes which you sent me. He mailed me a copy of ASpice >: package the last minute. I now have an Aspice. I now am looking for ASpice >: source code. Is its source code avaliable for Amiga systems? At FTP? Etc.. > > I would really like to see the source for this also... Not so much >because of anything I could do to i ~D>MS-DOS simultaneously? Neither Amiga Exec nor Amiga Unix can share the CPU with another OS, and either OS running "under" the other would lose much of its usefulness. In other words, this is really tricky, and we haven't done it yet. :-) The BridgeBoard, having its own CPU, will work under Unix, but the Amiga-side application (the "PC window") has not yet been ported to Unix. Eventually, there will be some sort of MS-DOS-in-a-window type of facility for Unix. In ar mticle <8825\bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> amiga\athena.mit.edu (MITAUG Staff) writes: >What kind of tape drive and can I find one for my GVP Controller???? The tape drive we are currently using is a QIC-150 format SCSI drive which can also read (but not write) QIC-24 format tapes, such as used by some other Unix workstations. QIC-150 format gets 165 Megabytes on a tape. As far as I know, any SCSI controller should be able to access such a drive if it had appropriate driver softwa - Zre. I don't know of any AmigaDos device drivers for SCSI tape drives, although I hear that work is being done in that area. -- -=] Ford [=- "The number of Unix installations (In Real Life: Mike Ditto) has grown to 10, with more expected." ford\kenobi.cts.com - The Unix Programmer's Manual, ...$sdcsvax$crash$elgar$ford 2nd Edition, June, 1972. ditto\cbmvax.commodore.com ------------------------------_ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: news\afit-ab.arpa (News System Account) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <827\afit-ab.arpa> Date: 20 Jan 89 02:02:56 GMT Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology; WPAFB, OH Reply-To: mhuson\galaxy-43.UUCP (Mark L. Huson) Keywords: amiga-unix amix 2500UX Summary: Amazing what things they put in print Both Amiga World (Feb 89) and The Amiga Sentry (Jan 89) offered their own tidbitzKs about the 2500UX. The following is quoted without permission: Amiga World page 10. The Amiga 2500 UX, which runs UNIX System V, Release 3.1 (called AMIX on the Amiga) adds two mega-bytes of 32-bit memory and a 150MB streaming-tape backup unit to the A2500, and replaces the 40MB drive with a high-speed 80MB drive. The system software includes text-processing utilities and software development tools. The A2500 is described elsewhere on the page. The Amig'Csa Sentry page 4. The A2500 begins withe the 2000-HD and adds the A2620 co-processor card to create a 68020 based Amiga. The 2620 is equiped with a 16MHz 68020 running at 14.3MHz, 2 Megabytes of 32 bit RAM, a M68881 math co-processor, and a 68851 memory management unit (MMU). The 2 Meg 32bit memory is, of course, in addition to the 1 meg of 16 bit memory standard in every 2000. The 2620 board is installed in the co-processor slot on the motherboard, so all thea normal expansion slots are free. (The 2090-A takes one of these.) At a suggested price of ]4699, the A2500 . . . The third new machine is the A2500 UX. This one starts with an A2500, adds two more megabytes of 32 bit memory on the A2620 card, replaces the 40 meg harddrive with 80 meg, and adds a 150 megabyte Irwin streaming tape drive. All this hardware is needed for the ATT Unix System V with Commodore's own AIX windowing interface. No pricing or availab$ility was announced. . . . The 2500 UX is currently available to qualified Commercial developers only, so we can expect that there are still some "issues" being resolved. Both magazines expect at least the A 2500 to be available "early" in 89. Somewhere else (I don't recall exactly where) it was mentioned that all pieces of the A2500 UX could be purchased separately to add to an existing system, but I'm certainly not the one to ask. With appologies to Amiga World \vand The Amiga Sentry for not obtaining permission to quote them. "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full." -- Heny Kissinger These are my rabid ramblings, and no one else's ......(i.e., disclaimer) Mark ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: 11TSTARK\GALLUA.BITNET (Timothy Stark) Subject: AmigaSpice source code??? Message-ID: <8901120052.AA26145\ucbvax.KBerkeley.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 89 00:51:00 GMT Thanks for many notes which you sent me. He mailed me a copy of ASpice package the last minute. I now have an Aspice. I now am looking for ASpice source code. Is its source code avaliable for Amiga systems? At FTP? Etc.. Why does the most developers not want hand to anyone their source codes personally?? I do not agree that$ Without source code, it may be bigger and bigger problems with new OS releases. :( With source code, if nefiw OS release come, I can re-compile them quickly without waiting for next new release for new OS release. -- Tim Stark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Don't send your mail through UUNET site because it is a black hole. Use UCBVAX or RELAY.CS.NET gateway to send mail to gallux.gallaudet.edu. Thank$ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Timothy Stark ! Bitnet: 11tstark\gal#įto\cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) writes: > The A2500 (non-UX version) is already available; it is an A2000 plus the > 68020 card with 2Meg of 32-bit RAM, the 2090A SCSI/HD controller, and a > 40Meg (I think) hard disk. This is what I've been waiting for. I suppose the 68020 card is available separately, too. Has anybody got a phone[ to a mailorder company carrying the 68020 card (must accept Visa credit cards)? Final price? Pretty hard to find those mail order ads over here$h... -- Leonard Norrgaard, vinsci\abo.fi, vinsci\finabo.bitnet, +358-21-654474, EET. ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** kst\cisunx.UUCP ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: vinsci\abo.fi (Leonard Norrgard) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <2847\abo.fi> Date: 19 Jan 89 16:52:41 GMT Organization: Abo Academy, Finland In article <5732\cbmvax.UUCP>, ditEe router.kpo.fi From: paolucci\snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <37\snll-arpagw.UUCP> Date: 19 Jan 89 16:07:58 GMT Organization: Sandia National Labs, Livermore, CA Reply-To: paolucci\snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) Keywords: amiga-unix amix 2500UX In article <11280\swan.ulowell.edu> page\swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: ->kim\cc-krs.UUCP (Kim Lilliestierna) wrote: ->>Has anybody heard anything about the 2500UX machine. Suposed to ǃY->>come with 68020 and AMIX ( sys V.3)? -> ->It exists. It works. Has an MMU. The custom windowing system (not ->intuition, workbench or X, or anything else you've ever seen) is ->pretty slick. No flames, OK? A non-standard windowing system is ->better than nothing. Beside, it's slick. VERY fast. Why Commodore does not use X as the windowing system I cannot understand. There should be two big reasons why they shold use it: 1) It is fast becoming the standard Unix w}U+indowing system. 2) A former Commodore-Amiga employee (Dale Luck) has already X11 working under AmigaDOS. ->..Bob ->-- ->Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. page\swan.ulowell.edu ulowell$page ->Have five nice days. -- -+= SAM =+- "the best things in life are free" ARPA: paolucci\snll-arpagw.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site rou|{bter.kpo.fi From: amiga\athena.mit.edu (MITAUG Staff) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <8825\bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> Date: 19 Jan 89 07:47:29 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Reply-To: amiga\athena.mit.edu (MITAUG Staff) Keywords: amiga-unix amix 2500UX In article <5732\cbmvax.UUCP> ditto\cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) writes: >In article <974\cc-krs.UUCP> kim\cc-krs.UUCP (Kim Lilliestierna) writes: >>Has anybody heard anything about the 2500Ug4IX machine. Suposed to >>come with 68020 and AMIX ( sys V.3)? . . . > >The A2500UX has not been officially released, but is expected to be similar >to the A2500 except for having a larger hard disk (80Meg), a cartridge tape >drive, and the Unix software. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >-- ! ! Really???? What˰ kind of tape drive and can I find one for my GVP Controller???? Ric Carreras ARPA: carreras\lees.mit.edu BIX: carreras ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tsub\pnet02.cts.com (Tom Wang) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <10928\gryphon.COM> Date: 20 Jan 89 00:40:50 GMT Organization: People-Net [pnet02], Redondo Beach, CA. The tape back up in the 2500UX is a 150 megabyte Irwin streamingfU" tape drive. -- Tom Wang UUCP: ames$elroy, $gryphon$pnet02$tsub INET: tsub\pnet02.cts.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ditto\cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <5743\cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 20 Jan 89 04:27:31 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: ditto\cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) Keywords: amiga-unix a qmix 2500UX [ This article contains unofficial, preliminary information about unreleased products, subject to change, etc. etc., and represents my opinions, not Commodore policy. But you knew all that, and the disclaimer-eater has probably eaten this paragraph anyway. ] In article <10901\gryphon.COM> tsub\pnet02.cts.com (Tom Wang) writes: >Will Commodore be releasing the UNIX software for Amiga(Amix) alone for those >who want to upgrade from their 2000 (getting all t )he other necessary hardware >of course)? My understanding is that this is not planned immediately upon release of the 2500UX, but will come shortly thereafter. I beleive there have been official statements from Commodore that A2000 owners will always be able to upgrade to the technology of new Amiga computers. In article <15088\cisunx.UUCP> ejkst\unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu (Eric J. Kennedy) writes: >Any idea whether it allows Unix and AmigaDOS simultaneously, or Unix and g_ in diagnosing the problem by an >supply. Which is my other problem. The only Amiga shop of any notoriety wants >]160 for the supply alone, ]200 for it installed, and unless they put it in, > Whimper, > Tim Murphy Try the back pages of BYTE. I thought there was a mail order company (American Design ??) that had surplus Amiga power supplies for ]20. -----------------5------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: HRUBIN%UCONNVM.BITNET\mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Re: Amiga 1000 power supply Message-ID: <6546\louie.udel.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 89 04:20:23 GMT Sometime ago American Design Components (1-800-524-0809) had amiga 1000 power supplies for ]19.95. You might check with them to see if they have any as they no longer advertise them. Harvey ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 0)Z]9/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: kim\cc-krs.UUCP (Kim Lilliestierna) Subject: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <974\cc-krs.UUCP> Date: 16 Jan 89 18:28:03 GMT Organization: Defacto A/S Keywords: amiga-unix amix 2500UX Hi out there$ Has anybody heard anything about the 2500UX machine. Suposed to come with 68020 and AMIX ( sys V.3)? Would be gratefull for some info... -- Realname: Kim Lilliestierna Uucp mail: ndosl$cc-krs$kim Snail mail: DEFACTO A/S Barst!lvejen 26 4636 Krisuttiansand S Norway TEL: 47 (0)42 47688 FAX: 47 (0)42 43950 TELEX: 21076 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: page\swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <11280\swan.ulowell.edu> Date: 18 Jan 89 18:25:02 GMT Organization: University of Lowell, Computer Science Dept. Reply-To: page\swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) Keywords: amiga-unix amix 2500UX kim\cc-krs.UUCP (Kim Lilliestierna) wrote: vΟ>Has anybody heard anything about the 2500UX machine. Suposed to >come with 68020 and AMIX ( sys V.3)? It exists. It works. Has an MMU. The custom windowing system (not intuition, workbench or X, or anything else you've ever seen) is pretty slick. No flames, OK? A non-standard windowing system is better than nothing. Beside, it's slick. VERY fast. It's currently not for sale. >Would be gratefull for some info... Such as? ...Bob -- Bob Page, U of Lowell CS Dept. page\swan*<13.ulowell.edu ulowell$page Have five nice days. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ditto\cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <5732\cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 18 Jan 89 18:34:08 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: ditto\cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) Keywords: amiga-unix amix 2500UX In article <974\cc-krs.UUCP> kim\cc-krs.UUCP (Kim Lilliestiernak ) writes: >Has anybody heard anything about the 2500UX machine. Suposed to >come with 68020 and AMIX ( sys V.3)? The A2500 (non-UX version) is already available; it is an A2000 plus the 68020 card with 2Meg of 32-bit RAM, the 2090A SCSI/HD controller, and a 40Meg (I think) hard disk. The A2500UX has not been officially released, but is expected to be similar to the A2500 except for having a larger hard disk (80Meg), a cartridge tape drive, and the Unix software. -- ³f -=] Ford [=- "The number of Unix installations (In Real Life: Mike Ditto) has grown to 10, with more expected." ford\kenobi.cts.com - The Unix Programmer's Manual, ...$sdcsvax$crash$elgar$ford 2nd Edition, June, 1972. ditto\cbmvax.commodore.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tsub\pnet02.cts.com (Tom Wang) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <1090 /1\gryphon.COM> Date: 19 Jan 89 00:41:46 GMT Organization: People-Net [pnet02], Redondo Beach, CA. Will Commodore be releasing the UNIX software for Amiga(Amix) alone for those who want to upgrade from their 2000 (getting all the other necessary hardware of course)? -- Tom Wang UUCP: ames$elroy, $gryphon$pnet02$tsub INET: tsub\pnet02.cts.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ejkst\cisunx.UUCP!دh- (Eric J. Kennedy) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <15088\cisunx.UUCP> Date: 19 Jan 89 04:39:49 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Reply-To: ejkst\unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu (Eric J. Kennedy) Keywords: amiga-unix amix 2500UX In article <11280\swan.ulowell.edu> page\swan.ulowell.edu (Bob Page) writes: >kim\cc-krs.UUCP (Kim Lilliestierna) wrote: >>Has anybody heard anything about the 2500UX machine. Suposed to >>come with 68020 and AMIX ( sys V.3)? > >It exists."Ϲ It works. Has an MMU. The custom windowing system (not Any idea whether it allows Unix and AmigaDOS simultaneously, or Unix and MS-DOS simultaneously? -- Eric Kennedy ejkst\cisunx.UUCP ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: vinsci\abo.fi (Leonard Norrgard) Subject: Re: amiga 2500UX Message-ID: <2847\abo.fi> Date: 19 Jan 89 16:52:41 GMT Organization: Abo Academy, Finland In article <5732\cbmvax.UUCP>, dit ڦYrganization: College of Engineering, University of Arkansas, Fayetteville Keywords: keyboards Summary: IBM PC style keyboard for amiga. In article <84651\sun.uucp>, admiral%m-5\Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht SUN Microsystems Mt. View Ca.) w > I,ve never been crazy about the A1000 keyboard and now that > i'm trying to write some longer code ..... > > We'll, the feel is just wrong. > > Are there any alternatives to the A1000 keyboard out there? C-ltd has a keyboard replacement for the a۲#,miga 1000 and 2000. I think their price is about 100 clams, but you should call them and ask them about it. I think they have two versions. They can be reached at C-Ltd 316-267-3807 Good Luck$ Greg Garner 501-442-4847 gmg\hcx.uucp USENET: ...$uunet$harris.cis.ksu.edu$hcx$gmg ------------------------------ From: eberger\godot.psc.edu (Ed Berger) Subject: Amiga Portables was/Re: Death of the 1000 Message-ID: <542\godot.psc.edu> Date: 9 Jan 89 17:08:06 GMT Organization: PizL8ttsburgh Supercomputing Center Reply-To: eberger\godot.UUCP (Ed Berger) Summary: Why not PD Project? In article <2114\van-bc.UUCP> lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: > I don't know about people at Commodore, but a fellow who livs in Bahrain is >currently trying to put an A500 into an SX-64 box (for those that are >unfamiliar with it, an SX-64 is a portable 64, with 5" colour screen and space >for a couple of 5 1/4" floppy drives). He says it is coming along finek. He has >found a nice little 5" JVC monitor that can display 80 column text readably in >composite mode, can be hacked to do analog RGB, and is now searching for the >ideal HD solution. > Sony makes a nice 5" portable TV with Video Input, that could be used as a monitor for a portable Am like this... You could use a generic portables case, if you figure out how to have stereo... > >-- >Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on > the roo޽?-f and gets stuck. Peanut-Butter Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof of your mouth and gets stuck. -- Ed Berger eberger\cpwpsca.bitnet Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center ..$uunet$godot.psc.edu$eberger ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tjm\nsscb.UUCP (Timothy J. Murphy) Subject: Amiga 100v0 power supply Message-ID: <651\nsscb.UUCP> Date: 11 Jan 89 20:34:47 GMT Organization: AT&T NSSC, S.Plainfield, NJ Keywords: Amiga 1000 power supply help AAAAAIIIIEEEEEE$$$$$ Er, sorry. I posted a little while back about a suffering power supply in my 1000, and was helpfully guided in diagnosing the problem by an unnamed few whom I will eternally venerate. So great, now I'm CERTAIN my power supply is a statistic, nothing showing up on the ol' multimeter from any of 7 pins going to the system board. I can't think of any components to check (besides the fuse which is ok--the fan is running, just zip to the motherboard) so unless any Amiga deity can point me in the right direction (the call goes out for SCHWABMAN and the amazing CATS Crusaders$$$) I guess I gotta get a new supply. Which is my other problem. The only Amiga shop of any notoriety wants ]160 for the supply alone, ]200 for it installed, and unless they put it in, there's no guarantee (4of course). Is this price deserving of hysterical laughter, or must I endure the nose tweaks of outrageous supply & demand? Um, HEEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPPPP MEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee........ Whimper, Tim Murphy AT&T NSSC (201) 281-6287 -------- ---------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: wtm\neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Amiga 1000 power supply Message-ID: <1456\neoucom.UUCP> Date: 12 Jan 89 16:21:25 GMT Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Keywords: Amiga 1000 power supply help Summary: surplus A-1000 power packs I recall noticing that one of the surplus supply places that advertises in the back of "Byte" magazine has surplus Amiga 1000 power packs (the ad noted that was what they were) for something like ]29.95. I don't remember which of the advertisers it was. Check out a Byte from around June or July of 1988 and thumb through the back. I don't recall having seen the ad in the latest issue. The power supplies were apparently extras that were left over after the production of the 1000 ended. --Bill ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpoΖ8{.fi From: trantow\csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Jerry J Trantow) Subject: Re: Amiga 1000 power supply Message-ID: <362\csd4.milw.wisc.edu> Date: 12 Jan 89 17:36:55 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Reply-To: trantow\csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Jerry J Trantow) Keywords: Amiga 1000 power supply help In article <651\nsscb.UUCP> tjm\nsscb.UUCP (Timothy J. Murphy) writes: > Er, sorry. I posted a little while back about a suffering power >supply in my 1000, and was helpfully guided > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: admiral%m-5\Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht SUN Microsystems Mt. View Ca.) Subject: Amiga Keyboards Message-ID: <84651\sun.uucp> Date: 10 Jan 89 22:12:55 GMT Keywords: keyboards I,ve never been crazy about the A1000 keyboard and now that i'm trying to write some longer code ..... We'll, the feel is just wrong. Are there any alternatives to the A1000 keyboard out there? I've thought about a terminal through AU新X: but that might be a pain. Any ideas helpful. Thanks in advance. Mick ----------------------------------------------------------- Is it true what I hear? That computers use humans to reproduce themselves?? ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) Subject: Re: Amiga Keyboards Message-ID: <2140\van-bc.UUCQ4P> Date: 12 Jan 89 03:30:26 GMT In <84651\sun.uucp>, admiral%m-5\Sun.COM (Michael Limprecht SUN Microsystems Mt. View Ca.) writes: > I,ve never been crazy about the A1000 keyboard and now that > i'm trying to write some longer code ..... > > We'll, the feel is just wrong. Personally, I rather like the A1000 keyboard, but ... > Are there any alternatives to the A1000 keyboard out there? > I've thought about a terminal through AUX: but that might be > a pain. Yes. The A2000 keybMoard. All it needs is an adapter for the cable end. A local dealer has made a few of these, and the 2000 keyboard works fine on the 1000. > Any ideas helpful. > > Thanks in advance. > > Mick -larry -- Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! // Larry Phillips ! ! @X/ lphillips\lpami.w;simsey.bc.ca or uunet$van-bc$lpami$lphillips ! ! COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: sparks\corpane.UUCP (John Sparks) Subject: Re: Amiga Keyboards Message-ID: <155\corpane.UUCP> Date: 13 Jan 89 21:39:10 GMT Organization: Corpane Industries, Inc., Louisville Ky Summar임y: A2000 Keyboard In article <2140\van-bc.UUCP>, lphillips\lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) writes: > > Are there any alternatives to the A1000 keyboard out there? > > I've thought about a terminal through AUX: but that might be > > a pain. > > Yes. The A2000 keyboard. All it needs is an adapter for the cable end. > A local dealer has made a few of these, and the 2000 keyboard works fine > on the 1000. Say, I would like to do something like that$ could you find out what kind ow`&f adaptor it is , where to get it and how to hook it up? the pinouts and such? The Information would be greatly apreciated. Thanks.. _______________________________________________________________________________ John Sparks // Amiga ! corpane : sparks\corpane a.k.a @X/ UUCP ! blitter : john\blitter (preferred; path below) RedHawk ! rutgers!uunet$ukma$corpane$disk$blitter$john (Realm's 1st Astronaut) ! >> call D.I.S.K. \ 502/968-5401 t uhru -5406 << Ye Quote: 186,000 miles per second: it's not just a good idea, it's the law. _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ins_adjb\jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Daniel Jay Barrett) Subject: Re: Amiga Keyboards Message-ID: <511\jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> Date: 13 Jan 89 16:14:18 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF Reply-To: in Եs_adjb\jhunix.UUCP (Daniel Jay Barrett) >In <84651\sun.uucp>, admiral%m-5\Sun.COM > (Michael Limprecht SUN Microsystems Mt. View Ca.) writes: >> Are there any alternatives to the A1000 keyboard out there? >> I've thought about a terminal through AUX: but that might be >> a pain. C.Ltd. makes 3 different replacement keyboards. I don't know if they are A2000 only or also support the A1000. C.Ltd. can be reached at (316) 267-0202. C-101a: Standard Amiga ke z^oyboard layout. 101 tactile click-stop keys (Includes 18 dedicated "macro" keys.) C-101i: Like C-101a, but uses standard IBM keyboard layout, and emulation of IBM keys. C-101c: A C-101a with 18 additional PROGRAMMABLE "macro" keys. Prices listed in COMPUTER MART's catalog (800-443-8236, a nice reliable mail-order company) are ]98, ]98, and *126, respectively ݯW. I have no relation to C.Ltd. or Computer Mart. -- Dan Barrett ins_adjb\jhunix.UUCP UUCP barrett\cs.jhu.edu (128.220.13.4) ARPA Dept. of Computer Science, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: gmg\hcx.uucp (Greg M. Garner) Subject: Re: Amiga Keyboards Message-ID: <1620\cveg.uucp> Date: 14 Jan 89 04:09:59 GMT O!JT It's a larger thorny problem: if my library >> opens another library, if that library is on disk, then my caller needs to be >> a process. This is why we have such general rules as "rom code can't rely >> on disk files" and so on. In some situations, we need to improve on this. > > This is, of course, not very convenient. Why is there not a rom-based > library that creates temporary processes just for the purpose of > accessing the DOS? As far as I can tell, if you're willing to "˩}play a few tricks with DOS, you don't need to be a process to achieve most of the functionality of the Dos.Library. Execute() and the like are't very possible, but Open/Close/Read/Write and the like are. The majority of DOS is in the handlers, which an ordinary task can send arbitrary packets to. The only trick lies in finding the handler for the apropriate device, which can be done by looking at the di_DevInfo list. Not exactly portable to 1.4, but C-A can get away with nasty tr#t=icks like this. Am I wrong? As far as I've been able to tell, DOS doesn't do a hell of a lot, for all its rococo details. The bulk of the Process and CLI data structures seem to be maintaining context it has no business messing with in the first place. The scatter-loader should be a separate library, and Execute() should be a lot more like System() under Unix. Sigh. "The ROM shouldn't depend on the disk too much" is still a good general principle, though. -- -Colin (uun$Q *et$microsof$w-colinp) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) Subject: Re: Was: Re: What font does Intuition use? Message-ID: <384\madnix.UUCP> Date: 13 Jan 89 11:03:03 GMT Organization: ASDG Incorporated Reply-To: aaron\madnix.UUCP (Aaron Avery) In article <249\microsoft.UUCP> w-colinp\microsoft.uucp (Colin Plumb) writes: >The majority of DOS is in the handlers, which an ordinary% task can send >arbitrary packets to. The only trick lies in finding the handler for the >apropriate device, which can be done by looking at the di_DevInfo >list. Not exactly portable to 1.4, but C-A can get away with nasty >tricks like this. You are right that the big stuff is taken care of by the handlers, which are really little filesystems. The big one which needs all of that Process info is the standard, ROM-resident filesystem. Please, please, don't go traversing lists when &ѳyou don't have to. Try DeviceProc(), which is no trick, and is more likely to be portable to 1.4 than traversing that list$ Aaron -- Aaron Avery, ASDG Inc. "A mime is a terrible thing to waste." -- Robin Williams UUCP: harvard!rutgers!ucbvax$uwvax$nicmad$madnix$aaron ARPA: madnix$aaron\cs.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: janh'152en\wn2.sci.kun.nl (Jan Hendrikx) Subject: Re: Was: Re: What font does Intuition use? Message-ID: <303\wn2.sci.kun.nl> Date: 14 Jan 89 17:56:43 GMT Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands. Summary: We need LoadSeg in this case In article <249\microsoft.UUCP>, w-colinp\microsoft.UUCP (Colin Plumb) writes: !janhen\wn2.sci.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert) wrote: !> In article <3245\amiga.UUCP>, jimm\amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) writes: !>> Not only does input.device not have a process (a(lthough we could make it so), !>> whoever calls me might not. It's a larger thorny problem: if my library !>> opens another library, if that library is on disk, then my caller needs to be !>> a process. This is why we have such general rules as "rom code can't rely !>> on disk files" and so on. In some situations, we need to improve on this. !> !> This is, of course, not very convenient. Why is there not a rom-based !> library that creates temporary processes just for the purpos)Ke of !> accessing the DOS? ! !As far as I can tell, if you're willing to play a few tricks with DOS, !you don't need to be a process to achieve most of the functionality of !the Dos.Library. Execute() and the like are't very possible, but !Open/Close/Read/Write and the like are. [...] !Am I wrong? As far as I've been able to tell, DOS doesn't do a hell of a !lot, for all its rococo details. The bulk of the Process and CLI data !structures seem to be maintaining context it has no b*lusiness messing with !in the first place. The scatter-loader should be a separate library, and !Execute() should be a lot more like System() under Unix. !general principle, though. Yes, but in the case when a Task opens a library or device which must be loaded from disk, we really need LoadSeg() and that does not work by sending packets to someone. It would indeed be best to re-package LoadSeg() to be indpendent from being a Task or a Process. ! -Colin (uunet$microsof$w-coli+np) -Olaf Seibert (using Jan's account) ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** s to achieve most of the functionality of !the Dos.Library. Execute() and the like are't very possible, but !Open/Close/Read/Write and the like are. [...] !Am I wrong? As far as I've been able to tell, DOS doesn't do a hell of a !lot, for all its rococo details. The bulk of the Process and CLI data !structures seem to be maintaining context it has no b'ith the X-Specs package. Indeed, the X-Specs interface (at least the one I've been playing with) has two stereo mini plugs for glasses, and I've used both the X-Specs glasses and the Sega ones at the same time. It's nice having two pair so two can watch or play at the same time. The X-Specs glasses are much nicer, more comfortable, and easier to use when developing because you can sort of flip them up when you don't want to look through them. If you wear glasses, the X-Specs glasA"ses are a must because they allow you to wear glasses underneath them, something the Sega ones are incapable of. Note that I'm saying the *glasses* are compatible. You still need the X-Specs Amiga interface box or you must build one like it. Unless you're a hardware hack and it's a personal project for you, I'd suggest buying the Haitex ones. -- -- uunet$sugar$karl ! "We've been following your progress with considerable -- karl\sugar.uu.net ! interest, not to say contempt." -- &UZaphod Beeblebrox IV -- Usenet BBS (713) 438-5018 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cs161agc\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU (John Schultz) Subject: Re: Want info on 3D glasses. Message-ID: <60\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU> Date: 17 Jan 89 16:54:42 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Reply-To: cs161agc\sdcc10.ucsd.edu.UUCP (John Schultz) Keywords: Sega, 3D, Haitex. In article <27558\ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) writes: >Yes, matter of fact the X-Specs ARE modifies Sega glasses. That is largely >why they are so expensive. Haitex buys complete sega glasses and throws >away their innards and adds their own. I would recommend waiting for Wrong. X-Specs glasses are actually _Nintendo_, not _Sega_. Furthermore, the interface is custom built, not some "hacked up Sega box". If you look on the upper left face of the glasses, you can see Nintendo (its buffed ,*1out). It looks like a scratch, but you can see it if you use a bright light. After the first production run, the X-Specs should be cheaper, as the glasses will be custom as well. Currently the best 3D glasses system on any PC (including Sega/Nintendo) is the X-Specs 3D glasses on any Amiga. John Schultz ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rsb584\leah.Albany.Edu (Raymond S Brand) Subject: Re: Want info o:n 3D glasses. Message-ID: <1444\leah.Albany.Edu> Date: 18 Jan 89 04:31:06 GMT Organization: his computer Keywords: Sega, 3D, Haitex. In article <60\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU>, cs161agc\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU (John Schultz) writes: > Furthermore, the interface is custom built, not some "hacked up Sega > box". If you look on the upper left face of the glasses, you can > see Nintendo (its buffed out). It looks like a scratch, but you can > see it if you use a bright light. After the first production! run, > > > John Schultz The interface box that come with my X-Specs had nintendo scratched off of it and a label placed over that area. BTW, anyone know when people like me that bought the glasses with the pre- release software (and sent in the registration card) will receive the free upgrade mentioned in the documentation? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raymond S. Brand rsbx\beowulf.uucp 3A Pinehurst Ave. ?* rsb584\leah.albany.edu Albany NY 12203 FidoNet 1:7729/255 (518-489-8968) (518)-482-8798 BBS: (518)-489-8986 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: janhen\wn2.sci.kun.nl (Jan Hendrikx) Subject: Was: Re: What font does Intuition use? Message-ID: <300\wn2.sci.kun.nl> Date: 11 Jan 89 17:19:37 GMT Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands. Keywords: Exec disk DOS file;R's ramlib.library Processes Summary: Why not a special-purpose Process? In article <3245\amiga.UUCP>, jimm\amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) writes: > Not only does input.device not have a process (although we could make it so), > whoever calls me might not. It's a larger thorny problem: if my library opens > another library, if that library is on disk, then my caller needs to be > a process. This is why we have such general rules as "rom code can't rely > on disk files" and so on. In someˣ situations, we need to improve on this. This is, of course, not very convenient. Why is there not a rom-based library that creates temporary processes just for the purpose of accessing the DOS? I already speculated that the (undocumented) ramlib.library was used for this, but it seems that this is not so. By the way, what *is* the ramlib.library used for? > jimm -Olaf Seibert (using Jan's account) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/  VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: w-colinp\microsoft.UUCP (Colin Plumb) Subject: Re: Was: Re: What font does Intuition use? Message-ID: <249\microsoft.UUCP> Date: 12 Jan 89 13:19:44 GMT Organization: very little Reply-To: w-colinp\microsoft.uucp (Colin Plumb) janhen\wn2.sci.kun.nl (Jan Hendrikx) wrote: > In article <3245\amiga.UUCP>, jimm\amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) writes: >> Not only does input.device not have a process (although we could make it so), >> whoever calls me might not.  5d just forget about it. I have yet to hear a single good thing about the PA, except that it's dirt cheap. CMI will give you the results of their carefully tailored benchmarks (which Amigaworld magazine ate up), but if you do your own benchmarks you will find that any speedup will be MINIMAL at best. Almost all the performance increase of an 020 comes from the instruction cache and 32-bit memory, neither of which the PA has. The only thing sped up measurably will be the floating p ;oint, but the I/O driven 68881 doesn't compare to one acting as a real math coprocessor, as with an 020 or 010. Besides, the ]150 dollar price doesn't include the '881. BOTTOM LINE: For ]150, you can expect about 17% increase in speed. (Amiga Sentry Dec 88). I don't believe Sculpt uses the IEEE libraries, so paying the extra ]100 for the 68881 will give you less than a 1% improvement above this. For 17%, I would recommend you save your pennies for a Hurricane board or Lucas board.  By the way, I've built the Lucas board, and all I need now is the '020 and '881. Does anyone know a source for some experimental 12Mhz versions cheap? The board has cost be ]125 so far. (Brad: if you're reading this, where is my second board I paid for?) If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, I would build this. If you have a 2000, it shouldn't be too tough to make some ugly adapter. -Vincent H. Lee ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89  a`'VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) Subject: Want info on 3D glasses. Message-ID: <11245\swan.ulowell.edu> Date: 16 Jan 89 02:47:19 GMT Organization: University of Lowell, CS Dept Reply-To: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) Keywords: Sega, 3D, Haitex. Does anyone know if you can modify Sega LCD 3D glasses to work on the Amiga? The Sega ones are half the price of X-Specs. Same for the Sega light gun. Thanks.  si --Rob rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu _ _ _ __ ___ _ (508) 452-5000 Ex 2233 /_@ !@ /! !! //__ /_@ _// @@ !!@/!! !! @@// // @@_ "Only Amiga does not make it impossible" ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cs161agc\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU (John Schultz) Subject: Re: Want info on 3D glasses. Message-ID: E| <57\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU> Date: 16 Jan 89 08:14:02 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Reply-To: cs161agc\sdcc10.ucsd.edu.UUCP (John Schultz) Keywords: Sega, 3D, Haitex. In article <11245\swan.ulowell.edu> rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) writes: > Does anyone know if you can modify Sega LCD 3D glasses to work on the >Amiga? The Sega ones are half the price of X-Specs. Same for the Sega >light gun. Thanks. The Sega glasses will work, but you'll nee P6d to build a custom interface, then figure out how to drive them. If you just wanted to modify a pair to work with the X-Specs interface, that might work. But if you don't buy a pair of X-Specs, then you won't get the neat software that comes with it. Furthermore, you might be able to buy the glasses without the interface at a reduced price; call Haitex for more info. John Schultz ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router &ޮ.kpo.fi From: me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) Subject: Re: Want info on 3D glasses. Message-ID: <27558\ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 17 Jan 89 04:40:50 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Reply-To: me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) Keywords: Sega, 3D, Haitex. In article <11245\swan.ulowell.edu> rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) writes: > > Does anyone know if you can modify Sega LCD 3D glasses to work on the >Amiga? The Sega ones 0,Ӷare half the price of X-Specs. Same for the Sega >light gun. Thanks. Yes, matter of fact the X-Specs ARE modifies Sega glasses. That is largely why they are so expensive. Haitex buys complete sega glasses and throws away their innards and adds their own. I would recommend waiting for Laser Gamesmanship's glasses, whose first production prototype has just been made. Since their made from scratch, they will be much cheaper. Matter of fact, since we're mostly programmers here, I'm sure you can work out a deal to write demo software and get glasses in the process$ If anyone's interested, drop me a line and I'll pass the message along. -Vince Lee (Sometimes but not really associated w/ Laser Gamesmanship) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: karl\sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) Subject: Re: Want info on 3D glasses. Message-ID: <3295\sugar.uu.net> Date: 17 Jan 89 01:31:35 GMT Organizat%;Tion: Sugar Land Unix - Houston, TX Keywords: Sega, 3D, Haitex. Summary: Sega glasses are compatible with X-Specs interface; they're crummier In article <11245\swan.ulowell.edu> rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) writes: > Does anyone know if you can modify Sega LCD 3D glasses to work on the >Amiga? The Sega ones are half the price of X-Specs. Same for the Sega >light gun. Thanks. I do know that the Sega glasses are electrically compatible with the glasses that come w*G.I hope) _____________________________________________________ _______||*|================================================|____ ||*|===|Eric Edwards BITNET: C506634@UMCVMB |===| | | INTERNET: C506634@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU | | | ----------------------------------------------------= | | " In Hell they use CMS and they only give you one cylinder | | of disk space." | | " OH MY GOD! I died and t+l:ransfered to HELL!" " | ---------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** l format for IBM 3.5" This is on Fred Fish 163 and also available by anonymous ftp from trantor.umd.edu. 3) DOS2DOS This is a well known commercial program that will do this and a host of other nice things for data transfer. > HELP!!! Help is here. (a properly. I was using an 8 MHz V20. Tim. -- timg\ziebmef.UUCP uunet$mnetor$lsuc,utgpu$ncrcan$ziebmef$timg ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) Subject: Want info on "processor accelerator" Message-ID: <11229\swan.ulowell.edu> Date: 14 Jan 89 18:47:20 GMT Organization: University of Lowell, CS Dept Reply-To: rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert SilversF-) Keywords: Sculpt, accelerator, bargain? Do any of you have a "processor accelerator?" I mean one of those ]150.00 things that doubles the clock rate of your CPU. I would like to know if you notice a speedup. I am most interested in Sculpt-3D. What percent faster is it for Sculpt-3D? If you send me mail, I will summerize. --Rob. rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu _ _ _ __ ___ _ (508) 452-5000 Ex 2233  +љ /_@ !@ /! !! //__ /_@ _// @@ !!@/!! !! @@// // @@_ "Only Amiga does not make it impossible" ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) Subject: Re: Want info on "processor accelerator" Message-ID: <27541\ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 15 Jan 89 07:33:28 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Reply- ShTo: me128-aw\kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) Keywords: Sculpt, accelerator, bargain? In article <11229\swan.ulowell.edu> rsilvers\hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) writes: > > Do any of you have a "processor accelerator?" I mean one of those >]150.00 things that doubles the clock rate of your CPU. I would like to >know if you notice a speedup. I am most interested in Sculpt-3D. What >percent faster is it for Sculpt-3D? If you send me mail, I will summerize. > > I wouli| What font does Intuition use? Re: Was: Re: What font does Intuition use? (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: dale\boing.UUCP (Dale Luck) Subject: Re: Unsupported Programming Practices Message-ID: <595\boing.UUCP> Date: 17 Jan 89 19:20:23 GMT Organization: Boing, Milpitas, Ca. Reply-To: dale\boing.UUCP (Dale Luck) In article wayneck\tekig5.PEN.TEK.COU7M (Wayne Knapp) writes: > MyBlitRoutine( ...) > > OwnBlitter(); > Compute blitter register values /* let Blitter still run */ > WaitBlit(); > set blitter registers. > DisownBlitter(); > > Wayne Knapp In general we try to minimize the time we Own the Blitter, it is a scarce but often used resource. Nearly all the amiga graphics routines do somethking similar to this. Compute blitter register values OwnBlitter WaitBlit set blitter registers DisownBlitter In a multiplane blit we use: Computer blitter registers that do not change between planes such as modulos, blitsize, bltconx's, fw/lwmask, etc. OwnBlitter WaitBlit load non changing blit registers for each plane to blit compute new changing blit registers suchg as ptrs to bitplanes WaitBlit load registers that need to be reloaded per blit. zap bltsize (starts the blit) endforeach DisownBlitter -- Dale Luck GfxBase/Boing, Inc. uunet$cbmvax!pyramid$amiga$boing$dale ------------------------------ From: timg\ziebmef.uucp (Tim Grantham) Subject: Re: V-20 in the bridgeboard??? Message-ID: <1989Jan9.092118.8958\ziebmef.uucp> Date: 9 Jan 89 14:21:1KX7 GMT Organization: Ziebmef Public Access Unix, Toronto, Ontario Reply-To: timg\ziebmef.UUCP (Tim Grantham) Keywords: v-20 bridgeboard In article <1474\aucs.UUCP> 870646c\aucs.UUCP ('Barry Comer') writes: > >Hi all, has anyone been able to put a V-20 into the bridgeboard without getting >ram errors all over the place on the ibm side once the binddrivers command is >given????? By the way I am using the proper 5 Mhz V-20. > Yeah, I tried, but I could never get the Bridgeboard to boot(rles Poirier) writes: =-If you plan on adding a hard disk to your 2000, the fan noise =-(objectionable though it is) may be a moot point. The HD itself can =-be twice as loud as the stock fan. Mine is. C'est la vie. =- So was mine, until I dumped the Miniscribe for a Quantum 80S. Can you say 'inaudible'? ______________________________________________________________________________ /_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/ |_____|_ {____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| _No dark sarcasm in the classroom|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|___ |____Teachers leave the kids alone__|_____|_____|_____|_bryan@cs.utexas.edu___| ___|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|vertebrae...!cs.utexas.edu!bryan_|___ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site rout!Ver.kpo.fi From: dvl@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Doug Larson) Subject: Re: Quieter fan for the 2000? Message-ID: <6080017@hpcupt1.HP.COM> Date: 7 Feb 89 18:59:17 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino FYI. Some 2000's have 115V AC fans. Mine did, it was an "ETRI", made in France (50/60 HZ, 10/8 watts). Nonetheless, it also alternates between jet engine takeoff mode and garbage disposal mode. I replaced it and my 2000 is much quieter now. ( Coinc"Dcidentally, I replaced it with a 115V AC fan, I thought that would work better than a 12V DC fan in my machine). It was sort of a pain because the fan was attached with those crimped on connectors and I had to drill them out. ( If you do this, be sure to cover everything and vacuum afterwords ... misplaced aluminium filings in a computer are such a pain.) Looking back on it, I suspect my fan of occasionally crashing my# [+ system by polluting the power supply. I hate it when I'm on move 212 of Empire and my system crashes ... Doug Larson hplabs!hpda!dvl ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jms@antares.UUCP (Joe Smith) Subject: Re: RAM disk Message-ID: <374@antares.UUCP> Date: 30 Jan 89 05:35:25 GMT Organization: Tymnet QSATS, San Jose CA Reply-To: jms@antares.UUCP (Joe Smith) In reference to Neil Wein$!%lstock who mentioned creating your own icon for the RAM disk: I found a disk.info file on one of the Fish Disks that is an image of a male sheep; a ram's head. It is an alternate image icon; the head faces the other direction when it is selected. My startup-sequence has the command "copy SYS:RAMicon RAM:disk.info" I found this particular icon the hard way, by looking all all the drawers on the Fish disks for disks.info, copying it to the root directory of a disk, popping the disk %" out and put it back in and wait for workbench to show it. Very slow. Eventually I got SIT (Set Icon Type) from Fish disk #137 and converted a bunch of disk icons into drawer icons so they are visible. So I have this icon but don't know which disk it came from. In article <2779@ukecc.engr.uky.edu> (Kenneth Herron) writes: >As near as I could tell, the exact behavior is: When LoadWB starts up, >if RAM: has no disk.info, then SYS:disk.info is copied to RAM:disk.info. >So whatever i&#`con your boot disk has, your ram: disk will have the same one. All my bootable disks have custom disk icons. In particular, my workbench SYS:disk.info is a wooden table with tools on it. Since I get a generic disk for RAM: if I don't use my RAMicon, this is proof that SYS:disk.info does not get copied. Workbench has the generic disk icon embedded in it. -- Joe Smith (408)922-6220 | jms@antares.Tymnet.COM[131.146.3.1] or jms@opus McDonnell Douglas FSCO | UUCP: ames,pyramid!oliv'$ Date: 24 Jan 89 01:41:13 GMT In a recent post, Michael Bays (mikeeb@sco.co(%^\m) said: > does anyone know of any PD or non-PD programs that will let > me read a MS-DOS 3 1/2 disk on the Amiga drive?? > > I want to be able to get simple files off the mddos disk and > place them in ram: and then put them on the amiga disk I know of two PD/Shareware programs and one Commercial. 1) MSDOS: This is a shareware programavailable on Fred Fish 158 It will read and write IBM and Atari ST 720K 3.5" disks. This is available by anonymous ftp from tr)%Wantor.umd.edu 2) PCPatch: This a PD program that will patch PCcopy and PCformat to use 3.5" disks. Unfortunately, it will only read 360k disks which is not the usual format for IBM 3.5" This is on Fred Fish 163 and also available by anonymous ftp from trantor.umd.edu. 3) DOS2DOS This is a well known commercial program that will do this and a host of other nice things for data transfer. > HELP!!! Help is here. (':ose light dimmer SCR type fan speed controls as they radiate so much RFI it will screw up your computer. -- Jim Harvey | "Ask not for whom the bell Michigan Bell Telephone | tolls and you will only pay 29777 Telegraph | Station-to-Station rates." Southfield, Mich. 48034 | ulysses!gamma!mibte!jbh ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: (iu3&perley@trub.steinmetz (Donald P Perley) Subject: Re: Quieter fan for the 2000? Message-ID: <13057@steinmetz.ge.com> Date: 31 Jan 89 13:46:25 GMT Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY Reply-To: perley@trub.steinmetz.ge.com (Donald P Perley) In article <2758@mibte.UUCP> jbh@mibte.UUCP (James Harvey) writes: >In article <1208@esunix.UUCP>, lhoward@esunix.UUCP (Larry Howard) writes: >> From article <2414@eos.UUCP>, by phil@eos.UUCP (Phil Stone): >>> I have heard >>> mention he)qre of somebody swapping in a much quieter (Radio Shack??) fan >>> that actually moves more air. Three questions: >>> 1) What fan(s) fit(s) this description? The Radio Shack fan is a 3" DC brushless, about $14. I bought one but haven't gotten around to installing it yet. The posting I read about it warned that this one is a tight fit. The Panasonic fan someone mentioned has a lower db spec so that sounds like a better solution. > >Another trick you can do that is easier an*πd cheaper than >replacing the entire fan is to put a Two Microfarad non-polar, >200 volt at least capacitor in series with the existing fan. >This will drop just enough voltage to quiet a muffin fan down to >reasonable levels. I think this technique would be more appropriate for an AC fan. -don perley ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: perley@trub.steinmetz (Donald P Perley) Subject: Re: Quieter fan for +tkthe 2000? Message-ID: <13060@steinmetz.ge.com> Date: 1 Feb 89 14:31:10 GMT Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY Reply-To: perley@trub.steinmetz.ge.com (Donald P Perley) In article <2525@antique.UUCP> vax135!cjp (Charles Poirier) writes: >If you plan on adding a hard disk to your 2000, the fan noise >(objectionable though it is) may be a moot point. The HD itself can >be twice as loud as the stock fan. Mine is. C'est la vie. I guess that depends on your hard drive. I ca,Hfn't hear my drive with the sound the fan makes. Well... I can hear seeks, but the fan is still much louder. Especially on startup when the fan occasionally switches between jet engine mode and garbage disposal. -don perley ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bryan@cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer @ Wit's End) Subject: Re: Quieter fan for the 2000? Message-ID: <147@mothra.cs.utexas.edu> Date: 1 Feb 89 21:4-`4:14 GMT Organization: Spam Detection & Removal Squad, Austin, TX Reply-To: bryan@cs.utexas.edu SPAM-CONTENT: Negligible In article <13057@steinmetz.ge.com> perley@trub.steinmetz.ge.com (Donald P Perley) writes: =- =-The Radio Shack fan is a 3" DC brushless, about $14. I bought one but =-haven't gotten around to installing it yet. The posting I read about =-it warned that this one is a tight fit. The Panasonic fan someone =-mentioned has a lower db spec so that sounds like a bet.RRKter solution. =- Yes, that was my posting. Except for three weeks at Christmas time, the Radio Shaft fan has been running uninterrupted. Dust accumulation has made it somewhat noisier, but it's still significantly quieter than the original Taiwan Turbine (not that the RS fans aren't probably also made in Taiwan). I agree that the Panasonic is probably better, but would you believe, on the day I needed it, the RS was the ONLY 12VDC fan to be had in Austin? =- =-In a/|rticle <2758@mibte.UUCP> jbh@mibte.UUCP (James Harvey) writes: =-> =->Another trick you can do that is easier and cheaper than =->replacing the entire fan is to put a Two Microfarad non-polar, =->200 volt at least capacitor in series with the existing fan. =->This will drop just enough voltage to quiet a muffin fan down to =->reasonable levels. =- =-I think this technique would be more appropriate for an AC fan. =- I'm glad someone had the guts to say this. :-) _____________0m_________________________________________________________________ /_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/_____/ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| _No dark sarcasm in the classroom|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|___ |____Teachers leave the kids alone__|_____|_____|_____|_bryan@cs.utexas.edu___| ___|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|vertebrae...!cs.utexas.edu!bryan_|___ |_____|_____|_____|___P__|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bryan@cs.utexas.edu (Bryan Bayerdorffer @ Wit's End) Subject: Re: Quieter fan for the 2000? Message-ID: <149@mothra.cs.utexas.edu> Date: 1 Feb 89 22:02:22 GMT Organization: Spam Detection & Removal Squad, Austin, TX Reply-To: bryan@cs.utexas.edu SPAM-CONTENT: Negligible In article <2525@antique.UUCP> vax135!cjp (Cha 2#-- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: peter@stca77.stc.oz (Peter Jeremy) Subject: Program checkers (was Re: IRQ virus) Message-ID: <398@stca77.stc.oz> Date: 19 Jan 89 04:45:13 GMT Organization: Alcatel-STC, Alexandria, AUSTRALIA Reply-To: peter@stca77.stc.oz (Peter Jeremy) In article <216@microsoft.UUCP> w-colinp@microsoft.UUCP (Colin Plumb) writes: >You want some external means of certifying a program good. This is also >why the checksu 37,[m program should print out the computed checksum, and not >take an argument to comapre it with, even though this makes shell scripts >somewhat more difficult, lest the virus find and patch it to return >"good" at all times. I have a program called fcc which I use to keep an eye on my Xenix system. It was originally written by Dave Sill , but hasn't been posted to comp.sources.unix yet. I added some additional features (CRC's on files and timestamp checking) tha 4~.at weren't in the original. It's actually two programs - one generates a master list to stdout, the other reads this list and checks each entry. Errors go to stdout. -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter@stca77.stc.oz Alcatel-STC Australia ...!uunet!stca77.stc.oz!peter 41 Mandible St peter%stca77.stc.oz@uunet.UU.NET ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: sjk@utastro.UU 5sCP (Scot Kleinman) Subject: Qbert? Message-ID: <3581@utastro.UUCP> Date: 31 Jan 89 04:00:35 GMT Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX I heard there was a PD version of Q-bert for the Ami. If this is true and someone knows where I can get it, could you please tell me? Thanks a million! scot sjk@astro.as.utexas.edu Bonk! ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jacobson@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Questions 6ҬN on Readysofts Mac Emulato Message-ID: <45600053@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 1 Feb 89 15:22:00 GMT Nf-ID: #N:uxe.cso.uiuc.edu:45600053:000:1485 Nf-From: uxe.cso.uiuc.edu!jacobson Feb 1 09:22:00 1989 In the new issue of Amazing Computing I read with interest of the Mac emulator hardware for the Amiga from Readysoft that was shown at the Commodore show in Phil. My question is to anyone who saw it or has more info, does it really work??? Second are the roms 64K or 128K roms that they w7@ere using for the $200 price. Also do they sell you the roms or does one have to buy them??? And most importantly if they use the 128K does hypercard run on the product. My reason for asking is I have a SE at work, and would like to use hypercard and several other applications at home on my A2000. If they only use the 64K roms then this will not of course work, but if the 128K roms are the ones used then using hypercard is possible. Other questions that come to mind. Does this allo8R+w you to read Mac disks on the Amiga drives, or does one have to buy an external Mac drive to attach to the hardware???? The fact that the hardware attaches to the external drive port makes me suspicious that the later case is true, but I would like to know for certain. Also has anyone heard any more about the Spectre 128 (which is out for the ST and supposedly is comming for the Amiga)??? I would like to compare them if the Amiga version is anywhere near ready. Any information wo9]`;uld be most appreciated. Thanks in advance Russ Jacobson Illinois Geological Survey jacobson@uiucuxe jacobson%uiucuxe@a.cs.uiuc.edu jacobson%uiucuxe@uiuc.csnet [ihnp4,pur-ee,convex]!uiucdcs!uiucuxc!uiucuxe!jacobson ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jbh@mibte.UUCP (James Harvey) Subject: Re: Quieter fan for the 2000? Message-ID: <2758@mibte.UUCP> Date: 30 Jan 89 17:56:48 GMT Organization: Michigan Bell Tele:x:phone Company Summary: Fan Fix In article <1208@esunix.UUCP>, lhoward@esunix.UUCP (Larry Howard) writes: > From article <2414@eos.UUCP>, by phil@eos.UUCP (Phil Stone): >> I'm pretty happy with the move so far, except that since I use the Amiga >> almost exclusively for music, the stock fan has got to go - I think the >> "music" that it makes is very boring and much too loud. I have heard >> mention here of somebody swapping in a much quieter (Radio Shack??) fan >> that actually mov;Όes more air. Three questions: >> >> 1) What fan(s) fit(s) this description? > > The one I replaced it with I found in a Digi-Key catalog. > It's a Panasonic model FBH-08A, Digi-Key #P9962-ND. Cost is $24 for > quantity one. > >> Phil Stone (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov OR phil@eos.UUCP) > Larry Howard Another trick you can do that is easier and cheaper than replacing the entire fan is to put a Two Microfarad non-polar, 200 volt at least capacitor in series wit&Cnh the existing fan. This will drop just enough voltage to quiet a muffin fan down to reasonable levels. I ran a fan modified like this for years with my 1541 disk drives. If the fan runs too slow, try 3 microfarads, if it is still too fast, 1 microfarad. Most muffin fans won't start with one microfarad though. The advantage of the capacitor as a voltage dropping device is that it dissipates no heat. If you do this with a resistor it will get VERY hot. Don't try to use one of th&=2Message-ID: <11778@gryphon.COM> Date: 8 Feb 89 03:41:21 GMT Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, CA Reply-To: richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) Keywords: slimeball In article <2553@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> hgm@ncsuvx.UUCP (Hal G. Meeks) writes: > >Express Paint offers integrated postscript support. While it is not pure >postscript (doing bitmap->PS conversions), it is quite good. Results are >better than IFF2PS, but cost should be taken into account. It also supports >c'>olor postscript, being the only Amiga program that I know of to do so. > >Anthony Studios (LaserUP!) is advertising a drawing program called LaserUp! >Draw in the back of the latest AmigaWhirled. Is it _real_ postscript? Call >them and find out. Yeah, well I hope his PS drawing program works a LOT better than his fonts. He sells a package for $35 that has 3 postscript fonts. Deal of the century, right ? Wrong. They don't work. You print them at 18 pt and there is a gap in the ``O''(?u. So you print them at 24 pt and now the gap in the ``O'' is gone, but ther is a gap in the upper loop of the ``B''. Totally unusable. And of course how many B. Daltons have an Amiga, Postscript printer and software that lets you use them ? Arrg. But I guess this is why his fonts are $35 for 3, and the REAL Adobe fonts are $100 a typeface. And up. -- ``Kern letters with a hacksaw'' decwrl!gryphon!richard killer!gryphon!richard elroy!gryphon!ri)aƨ;chard ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** P!) is advertising a drawing program called LaserUp! >Draw in the back of the latest AmigaWhirled. Is it _real_ postscript? Call >them and find out. Yeah, well I hope his PS drawing program works a LOT better than his fonts. He sells a package for $35 that has 3 postscript fonts. Deal of the century, right ? Wrong. They don't work. You print them at 18 pt and there is a gap in the ``O''A reading MSDOS 3.5" disks on an amiga ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: drjerrard@trillium.waterloo.edu (Darren Jerrard) Subject: PostScript problems Message-ID: <10939@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Date: 22 Jan 89 21:08:59 GMT Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Reply-To: drjerrard@trillium.waterloo.edu (Darren Jerrard) I have 2 questions: 1) After deBacoding MoebiuS it won't run. I tried WB and Shell and neither worked. Can anyone point me in the right direction? 2) I'm trying to send a POSTSCRIPT file to the Laserwriter II. The output should be one page, but the page description is 26 pages long. The problem is that the Laserwriter does a timeout before printing the page. (At least this seems to be the problem.) When the LW begins to receive the document, the green light flashes. It flashes for a couple of minutes bC(uut then stops, and doesn't output anything. When about 15 pages of the page description were removed it printed what was left and it didn't take very long. (This is what makes me suspect a timeout.) Could someone please e-mail me the information at: drjerrard@trillium.waterloo.edu Thanks in advance, Darren Jerrard. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ecarroll@cs.tcd.ie (D^lEddy Carroll) Subject: Re: Problem with Drive? Message-ID: <32368@cs.tcd.ie> Date: 20 Jan 89 12:25:49 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin In article <27599@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, me128-aw@kepler.Berkeley.EDU (me128 student) writes: > > Sorry, the [external] drive takes up some memory for buffers & system stuff. > Game software is sometimes written to use all 512k. I would just wait for > the memory expansion. If you can't, you can wire a little swiE7|tch to > disable the drive (i don't know which pin offhand), but it shouldn't be > difficult. > > -Vince Lee I've done this (by adding a switch to pin #21), and it works great. However, I now find myself with another problem. I recently got a hard disk, so I don't need to use the external drive much now. As a result, I tend to keep it switched off (it frees up some memory and stops the clicking). The problem is that if I need to copy some floppy disks sometime after booting up with Fthe drive disabled, I have to reboot to get access to it again. Is there any way to get the system to recognise the drive if it wasn't present at the last reset? I've tried MOUNTing it (using a modified version of the entry to make DF1: an alias for DF2: which comes in the A2000's mountlist) but though it mounts okay, all attempts to access it say it's not there. Speaking of hard drives, I'm using the C Ltd. controller with the V2.06 driver software, and it is only reading around 501.bSK/second according to DiskPerf. The dealer said that there was a new driver due out in a month or two (V3.0) which would speed things dramatically - has anyone in the states used this yet, and if so, is it much faster? -- Eddy Carroll ----* Genuine MUD Wizard | "You haven't lived until INTER: ecarroll@cs.tcd.ie | until you've died in UUCP: ..uunet!mcvax!ukc!cs.tcd.ie!csvax1!ecarroll | MUD!" - Richard Bartle ----------------------------Hp]nie Cosell /--< _ __ __ o _ BBN Sys & Tech, Cambridge, MA 02238 /___/_(<_/ (_/) )_(_(<_ cosell@bbn.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: garvin@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (Michael A. Garvin) Subject: Re: Postscript painting program???? Message-ID: <2545@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 89 16:56:40 GMT Organization: Bill 'n Opus Campaign HQ Reply-To: garvin@ncsuvx.UUCP (Michael A. Garvin) InIv article <35637@bbn.COM> cosell@BBN.COM (Bernie Cosell) writes: >In article <11662@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: > >iff2ps, is a program that will convert IFF files to PS, and does >a very good job. It's freeware. > >It does a good job for what it does, BUT: what it does is gets you is a >*greyscaled* rendering of your IFF file. Those of us with access to *color* >PostScript printers are out of luck -- there is no program I know of, PD or >not, that'll JcolorPostScript. > There is a program that will talk color PostScript. It is Express Paint (current V3.0) by PAR, Inc. I don't know how well it will look (since I don't have access to a color PostScript printer, but the output I have done looks fairly well. BTW: Professional Automation Resources, Inc. P.O. Box 1309 Vancouver, Washington 98666 (206) 694-1539 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Garvin Kch"garvin@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu NCSU Computing Center, Raleigh,NC Disclaimer: I have no ties to PAR, I'm just a satisfied customer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: paolucci@snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) Subject: Re: Postscript painting program???? Message-ID: <50@snll-arpagw.UUCP> Date: 6 Feb 89 15:33:38 GMT Organization: Sandia NL}ational Labs, Livermore, CA Reply-To: paolucci@snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) In article <35637@bbn.COM> cosell@BBN.COM (Bernie Cosell) writes: ->In article <11662@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: -> ->iff2ps, is a program that will convert IFF files to PS, and does ->a very good job. It's freeware. -> ->It does a good job for what it does, BUT: what it does is gets you is a ->*greyscaled* rendering of your IFF file. Those of us with access to *color* -> MzPostScript printers are out of luck -- there is no program I know of, PD or ->not, that'll talk IFF->colorPostScript. Sometime in the near future, there will be a new version of iff2ps which will allow you to output color separated or straight color PostScript files. Since a limitation of PostScript is that it can only handle up to eight bit planes of color, by color separating you should be able to output 24-bit plane images (if you can generated them somehow), or a maximum of 256!NȘ colors for non-separated images. -> __ -> / ) Bernie Cosell -> /--< _ __ __ o _ BBN Sys & Tech, Cambridge, MA 02238 ->/___/_(<_/ (_/) )_(_(<_ cosell@bbn.com -- -+= SAM =+- "the best things in life are free" ARPA: paolucci@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi"OW| From: rminnich@super.ORG (Ronald G Minnich) Subject: Re: Postscript painting program???? Message-ID: <5645@super.ORG> Date: 6 Feb 89 15:41:58 GMT Organization: Supercomputing Research Center, Lanham, Md. Reply-To: rminnich@super.UUCP (Ronald G Minnich) In article <35637@bbn.COM> cosell@BBN.COM (Bernie Cosell) writes: >*greyscaled* rendering of your IFF file. Those of us with access to *color* >PostScript printers are out of luck -- there is no program I know of, PD or >not, that'lLamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!Lamer!!!$QwY3@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 89 04:21:53 GMT Organization: NCSU Computing Center Reply-To: hgm@ncsuvx.UUCP (Hal G. Meeks) Express Paint offers integrated postscript support. While it is not pure postscript (doing bitmap->PS conversions), it is quite good. Results are better than IFF2PS, but cost should be taken into account. It also supports color postscript, being the only Amiga program that I know of to do so. Anthony Studios (LaserUP!) is advertising a drawing program called L%<*rsaserUp! Draw in the back of the latest AmigaWhirled. Is it _real_ postscript? Call them and find out. --hal -- ------------------ "I am living in a condo hgm@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu with Henry Thoreau" netoprhm@ncsuvm.ncsu.bitnet Reagan Years, Part II ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) Subject: Re: Postscript painting program???? S[mVAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) Subject: Re: PORTAL Message-ID: <11668@gryphon.COM> Date: 5 Feb 89 20:37:43 GMT Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, CA Reply-To: richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) Keywords: dimwit In article <14314@cup.portal.com> Schizoid@cup.portal.com (FRED APPLE BONHOTAL) writes: >richard@gryphon writes: > >>Try killer in tejas [sic]. It's unix. It's free. What is this [sic] garbage ? I meant toT&J spell it that way. It's a joke, you pea brained portalite nimrod. >It's inaccessible. Ever try to actually get INTO that site? It ain't easy. Try dialing a second time. -- ``Kern letters with a hacksaw'' decwrl!gryphon!richard killer!gryphon!richard elroy!gryphon!richard ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US (John F. Haugh II) Subject: Re: PORTAL UWMessage-ID: <12300@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US> Date: 6 Feb 89 01:54:27 GMT Organization: HASA, Dallas, Tejas Summary: Moron. Sell the AMIGA and buy a REAL computer. Like a Commodore 64. In article <14314@cup.portal.com>, Schizoid@cup.portal.com (FRED APPLE BONHOTAL) writes: > richard@gryphon writes: > >Try killer in tejas [sic]. It's unix. It's free. > > It's inaccessible. Ever try to actually get INTO that site? It ain't easy. Bullshit. I get in numerous times every day. % who /etV?ac/wtmp | grep killer | wc -l 22 % Twenty-two since 4am. Did you try dialing a second time? -- John F. Haugh II +--Quote of the Week:------------------ VoiceNet: (214) 250-3311 Data: -6272 | "Get it through your head: InterNet: jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US | CARS ARE THE ENEMY." UucpNet : !killer!rpp386!jfh +------ -- Bob Fishell ---------- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; siteW3M router.kpo.fi From: karl@sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) Subject: Re: PORTAL Message-ID: <3396@sugar.uu.net> Date: 6 Feb 89 04:09:44 GMT Organization: Sugar Land Unix - Houston, TX Keywords: dimwit In article <11668@gryphon.COM>, richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: > >>Try killer in tejas [sic]. It's unix. It's free. > What is this [sic] garbage ? I meant to spell it that way. It's > a joke, you pea brained portalite nimrod. You forgot to crosspost to alt.flame. It's XHa pity, too, because alt.flame has been worthless lately. I tried reading it the other day for some quality flames, and it seemed to contain nothing but an endless chain of crossposted gibberish from alt.sex. The flame-to-noise ratio is so low I'm going to have to start using 'rn' and a kill file just to slog through it -- jesus! -- -- uunet!sugar!karl | "We've been following your progress with considerable -- karl@sugar.uu.net | interest, not to say contempt." -- Zaphod BeeblebYHrox IV -- Usenet BBS (713) 438-5018 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: karl@sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) Subject: Re: PORTAL Message-ID: <3399@sugar.uu.net> Date: 7 Feb 89 00:39:41 GMT Organization: Sugar Land Unix - Houston, TX Summary: dialing with uucp ain't the same as doing it by hand; it probably goes through more often a In article <14314@cup.portal.com>, Schizoid@cup.portal.com (FRED APPLE BONHOTZ3AL) writes: > > It's inaccessible. Ever try to actually get INTO that site? It ain't easy. In article <12300@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US>, jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US (John F. Haugh II) writes: > Bullshit. I get in numerous times every day. > % who /etc/wtmp | grep killer | wc -l > 22 > Twenty-two since 4am. Did you try dialing a second time? ????? Is it not true that the above statement counts the number of times killer called you, not the number of times you called killer? So it'[ܴs irrelevant, and unfair to use against 'Schizoid,' right? Even beyond that, robodialing constantly with uucp isn't the same as doing it by hand -- you don't care when it doesn't get through because you're at work or asleep or something, whereas the hand-dialer has to sit and wait for it. Further, no doubt it's easier to get in at 4 AM than during prime time. Are you into Amigas now, John, grepping news for portal postings, or what? :-) -- -- uunet!sugar!karl | "We've been followi\ ng your progress with considerable -- karl@sugar.uu.net | interest, not to say contempt." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox IV -- Usenet BBS (713) 438-5018 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cosell@bbn.com (Bernie Cosell) Subject: Re: Postscript painting program???? Message-ID: <35637@bbn.COM> Date: 5 Feb 89 22:27:01 GMT Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA Reply-To: cosell@BBN.COM (Bernie Cosell) GIn article <11662@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: iff2ps, is a program that will convert IFF files to PS, and does a very good job. It's freeware. It does a good job for what it does, BUT: what it does is gets you is a *greyscaled* rendering of your IFF file. Those of us with access to *color* PostScript printers are out of luck -- there is no program I know of, PD or not, that'll talk IFF->colorPostScript. __ / ) Ber^}Jd a ADC0809 that I happened to have, but I had to push its clock to ~1.5x its rated max before it would sample at 40kHz (kids, don't try this at home.) It's actually relatively simple. If there's a demand, I may post my schematics; but then again, I may not--it's such a kludge! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Raining CATS & DOGS? Join the RATS: Remote Amiga Teleconferencing System. ARPAnet: johnhlee@cory.Berkeley.EDU John L_e#ee UUCP: ...!ucbvax!cory!johnhlee ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: hbit@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Henry Bitter) Subject: Pioneer Computing Where are you ? Message-ID: <23085@pbhya.PacBell.COM> Date: 25 Jan 89 22:00:57 GMT Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA Does anyone out there know the new number for pioneer computing ? I have been trying to call them all week for information on their produc``bts with no luck. Today I started getting a number dis-connected message. I wouldn't care to much normally, but they owe me an upgrade kit I paid for last month and havn't received. If anyone in the Salt Lake area could check on this or get me a new number I would appreciate it. Henry Bitter * Pacific Bell * (415) 823-2836 San Ramon, Calif. !pacbell!pbhya!hb If I had a disclaimer I wouldn't give it away ! ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5a.Tc.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: thomson@wasatch.UUCP (Rich Thomson) Subject: Re: Pioneer Computing Where are you ? Message-ID: <1058@wasatch.UUCP> Date: 7 Feb 89 18:01:02 GMT Organization: Oasis Technologies Reply-To: thomson@wasatch.utah.edu.UUCP (Rich Thomson) In article <647@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> ins_adjb@jhunix.UUCP (Daniel Jay Barrett): > I have heard that Pioneer Computing was ROBBED around the holidays >and their entire inventory was taken. They'll pro bq6bably be out of the >market until they can straighten out insurance, etc.... Unfortunately this is true; currently PC is arguing with their insurer. It seems that the blood-suckers don't want to make good on the insurance. They do have some small amount of their inventory left, but whoever stole the stuff definately knew what they were taking and nicked the better part of PC's inventory. I'll ask about their status at the next user's group meeting if anyone's interested.  cד -- Rich -- Rich Thomson thomson@cs.utah.edu bellcore,hplabs!utah-cs!thomson "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly." Thomas Paine, _The Crisis_, Dec. 23rd, 1776 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: dedina@cup.portal.com ( d!Michael J Dedina) Subject: PL/1 for Amiga? Message-ID: <13898@cup.portal.com> Date: 24 Jan 89 06:37:55 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) This is probably a longshot, but is there a PL/I compiler for the Amiga? If you know of one, please please please let me know. Thanks. Mike Dedina dedina@cup.portal.com ....sun!portal!cup.portal.com!dedina ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rspine@cor3.pica.army.m e Sil (Bob Spine) Subject: Port 2 Problem-HELP! Message-ID: <8180@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 7 Feb 89 12:11:23 GMT EQUIPMENT: Amiga 1000, 512K Last week, while playing Pacman, my four year old managed to impart a shock to the joystick plugged into Port 2. It seems that his newest pair of slippers and the rug in my family room work very well together in the generation of static electricity. As a result of this ZAP, I have lost control of the Port. The machine seems to think that the Joyst f{ick is always pushed forward and the fire button is down- even if no joystick is present. All other functions work OK. This is a problem only if the program you wish to use looks for input from Port 2. Word Processing, Spreadsheet, Database, Paint and other type programs that do not look for input from Port 2 work normally. Given the fact that I do not have the equipment or knowledge to fix this problem myself can anyone give any hint as to what I may be faced with in terms of pgKNyarts that need replacement and a projected cost? I contacted one local (Northern NJ) repair shop and was quoted a diagnostic fee of $50.00, applicable toward the repair. This sounds reasonable but I would feel a lot more comfortable with some idea of potential scope of the problem before I take the machine in. To avoid this type of thing happening again, does anyone have any experience with grounding mats/straps? Thanks, in advance Bob ------------------------------ Relay-VersiRon: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: Schizoid@cup.portal.com (FRED APPLE BONHOTAL) Subject: Re: PORTAL Message-ID: <14314@cup.portal.com> Date: 4 Feb 89 21:49:04 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) richard@gryphon writes: >Try killer in tejas [sic]. It's unix. It's free. It's inaccessible. Ever try to actually get INTO that site? It ain't easy. schizoid@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 #ix ...!att!ihlpa!sft ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) Subject: PCOutline type of product (was: Microsoft C 5.0 / Quick C for Amiga) Message-ID: <2258@ardent.UUCP> Date: 30 Jan 89 17:58:27 GMT Organization: Dana Computer, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA Summary: PCOutline/Grandview clones available yet? In article <11416@swan.ulowell.edu>, rsilvers@hawk.ulowell.edu (Robert Silvers) writes: > $j3> > I think it was the December issue of Amiga World. The one that had a list > of the 1200 programs now out for the Amiga. Under the development section, When I was consulting for a while, I got used to using PCOutline and really got to like it. Wonder if there is a program that implements everything that PC Outline does, but for Amiga? By the way, PCOutline does run under the Transformer, but I'd rather be using a native mode product. Almost tempted to do it myself for Amig%kT a, but not sure if there'd be a large nuff demand. For those not familiar with it, PCOutline is a "ThinkTank" or "More" kinda product (those are "M*C" programs). The I*M version of PCOutline is from Brown Bag products and is available from their BBS for a free tryout. You'd have to look them up, I don't use the BBS so I dont know where it is. The demo versions available on various $2.99 PD collection disks is crippled -- yes everything works, but once a file gets larger than 20K,&le it literally locks up the machine. (This is the version from about 3 years ago, maybe it is not floating around any more but...) Anyhow, my only problem with the PD version was that there was no WARNING that the limitation was there (I coulda lived with that, and kept my "sample" outlines small, instead of losing lots-a-work). BUT, just wanted to test the waters, so to speak. Is anyone using an outliner product (sorta a word processor that lets you hide or view any selected subs'm!ets of what you are writing, depending on "levels", and has lots of options of how the material gets subsetted and labeled). It REALLY helps when writing a manual. Please respond via email; I will summarize to the net if interesting responses. ...uunet!ardent!rap Rob Peck ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: kjohn@richp1.uucp (John Kjellman Counsulatant) Subject: Re: PD Amiga Forth (with source)(n/ on East Coast Forth Board Message-ID: <171@richsun.UUCP> Date: 24 Jan 89 01:43:45 GMT Organization: RICH Inc. , Franklin Park,IL Reply-To: kjohn@richp1.UUCP (John Kjellman Counsulatant) In article <3302@sugar.uu.net> karl@sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: >I recently downloaded Peter Appleman's public domain Forth for the Amiga >(A4TH) and I thought I'd tell you all a bit about it. It includes full >source, including kernel and metacompiler source in Forth, hence it can >comp)o,letely recompile and reassemble itself. >[..... you know :-) ] Could someone please forward this package to Bob Page so the whole USENET Amiga community could get a copy???????? Thanx, KJohn P.S. Glad to see the A2500 is finally :-) available, I hope to get one by the end of March (so I can get back to all the hacking fun :-). | If my employer paid me for my opinions, they'd be out of business *W :-). | |-------------------- "In hell they word-wrap using vi" --------------------| | KJohn. the man without a machine ........ :-( | |>>>>> kjohn@richp1 or [ purdue | cs.ubc | mcdchg ] ! richp1 ! kjohn <<<<<| ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** ) and I thought I'd tell you all a bit about it. It includes full >source, including kernel and metacompiler source in Forth, hence it can >compqgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: johnhlee@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John Lee) Subject: Re: PD Sound Digitizer Message-ID: <9594@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 7 Feb 89 13:52:35 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Reply-To: johnhlee@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (John Lee) In article <8902040004.AA00952@jade.berkeley.edu< MOLNARRM@UREGINA1.BITNET writes: < <' Chain-Saw Tag... Try it... You'll like it!! ' Hmmmm. If it's the same chip I think it is, I don't think you can use it for a sound digitizer. If it's a 8-pin package, then I believe the chip communicates serially, and it digitizes at too slow a rate for a decent sound sample (it think it works at well below the 10kHz.) I looked at this chip when I was designing my sound digitizer. I finally uset*Ymay, however, be any number of undesireable features. (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: UUCP: pacbell > !well,unicom!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor ------------------------------ Relay-Versiou'@n: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: higgin@cbmvax.UUCP (Paul Higginbottom MKT) Subject: Panasonic 1124 printer Message-ID: <5780@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 25 Jan 89 16:40:46 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: higgin@cbmvax.UUCP (Paul Higginbottom MKT) A personal request to the net for feedback via EMAIL on the Panasonic 1124 printer. Has anyone seen one, used one, etc? Has anyone used Panasonic printers at all? Like the 1091?v Reliability from a service standpoint, or ruggedness (i.e., printing thousands of labels - does it work without eating paper, etc?). The 1124 seems like a good printer - 220 cps draft, 63 NLQ, is Epson LQ2500 compatible. NOTE: This is not an endorsement by Commodore - simply a personal request about rugged decent quality matrix printers. Thanks. Paul. P.S - EMAIL your comments please. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01wL/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: chu@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Wai Lan Chu) Subject: Re: Pascal for the Amiga Message-ID: <2250@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Date: 23 Jan 89 09:42:01 GMT Organization: Computing Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland Keywords: pascal Summary: It exists!! In article <6368@dayton.UUCP>, joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) writes: > > Has anyone seen a Pascal compiler for the Amiga yet? There has been a compiler called ISO Pascal out for a while now. - WLC ---------x2ſ--------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: martens@canoe.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) Subject: Re: Pascal for the Amiga Message-ID: <32548@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: 25 Jan 89 17:14:13 GMT Organization: Ohio State University Computer and Information Science Reply-To: Jeff Martens Keywords: pascal In article <6368@dayton.UUCP>, joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) writes: > > Has anyone seenyz. a Pascal compiler for the Amiga yet? I was just in my local Amiga dealer yesterday (to FINALLY get 1.3) and noticed that they have version 2 of Metacomco Pascal. Their price was $110, give or take a nickel. Has anybody got any experience with this? Is it any good? I'd like to program my Amiga in something other than C, and haven't been too impressed by TDI's Modula 2 compiler. -- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 z09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: asaph@TAURUS.BITNET Subject: Re: Pascal for the Amiga Message-ID: <960@taurus.BITNET> Date: 25 Jan 89 12:20:44 GMT Organization: Tel-Aviv Univesity Math and CS school, Israel Reply-To: asaph%libra.UUCP@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Zemach Asaph) Keywords: pascal In article <6368@dayton.UUCP> joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) writes: > >Has anyone seen a Pascal compiler for the Amiga yet? I've never heard of >one, which is kind of amazing, given t{3APhe large numbers of them available >on other machines. > >-J There is the metacompco pascal. v1.9 is *BUGGED* - so my advice is steer clear of this one. One the other hand I heard that a v2.00 is out which is "descent" as the poster stated. -Asaph ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: olva@geocub.UUCP (Olivier Vayssettes ) Subject: Re: Pascal for the Amiga Message-ID: <729@geocub.UUCP>  |#BNDate: 26 Jan 89 11:22:24 GMT Organization: Universite de Bordeaux - France IN-REPLY-TO: chu@cs.glasgow.ac.uk's message of 23 Jan 89 09:42:01 GMT I know a Pascal compiler: Metacomco MCC Pascal. But it is not very a very good one (few possibilities) (eg: no facilities in case instructions,etc) and there is no standard interface with AmigaDos. I think it is not very insteresting. Olivier Vayssettes !}l Universite de Bordeaux - France ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: sft@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Scott Thompson) Subject: Patching kickstart/workbench instead of addmem Message-ID: <11423@ihlpa.ATT.COM> Date: 25 Jan 89 23:33:16 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, Illinois Keywords: patch kickstart addmem I have a 1000 and a non-autoconfigure memory board which works fine, but "hM I would like to tell AmigaDOS how much fast mem it really has without having to run addmem. I would imagine that within kickstart the OS is told how much memory it has initially; can't I patch kickstart or workbench so AmigaDOS thinks it has the extra memory immediately? I am sure someone else has done this before. If not any clues would be appreciated. -- -- Scott Thompson (IHP 2A-428), AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, Il. 60566 VOICE: (312)-416-4236 UUCP: ,& in this group as the Atari group :-) I have been running Publishing Partner on the Atari ST for over 2 years. I reported such bugs as "if you create a round cornered box of 0 size you cannot delete it and it blows up a PostScript interpreter" and "you don't have the required comments in your PostScript" two years ago. Well, to make a depressing story short, they don't know if that have fixed the first bug and I have heard that you can't even write PostScript files to disk anymore soVI I guess that solves the second problem (we use the ST and PP to produce PostScript files that we include in UNIX created documents). Anyway, I sent in the $50 for the upgrade last July +- a month, got something that I broke within 5 minutes and wasn't compatible with PP and came with no conversion utilities. Don't hold your breath waiting for SoftLogik to ship anything. Now, the reason I am reading this group is I want to find out about Professional Page. At this point I would r:ather buy an Amiga and a program that works if that exists. We are serious users and don't want to save $100 to get a dog. Opinions would be appreciated. -- Phil Hughes, SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549, Seattle, WA 98155 (206)FOR-UNIX uw-beaver!tikal!ssc!fyl or uunet!pilchuck!ssc!fyl or attmail!ssc!fyl ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) Subject: Re: PageStream comments_# Message-ID: <21163@ames.arc.nasa.gov> Date: 29 Jan 89 05:58:24 GMT Organization: NASA - Ames Research Center In article <2030154@hpcilzb.HP.COM> daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) writes: >/ hpcilzb:comp.sys.amiga / schwager@m.cs.uiuc.edu / 8:59 pm Jan 17, 1989 / > >> >> Well let's see -- it IS advertised in the Feb. edition of a major >> Amiga magazine as "Shipping Now!". >> >And last March they said that I could trade in my PageSetter disk + $55 >for Publishing Partner Pro [(now "PageStream"), but that I had to act >quick cuz the offer ended... what was it, May 1st? > > >> I also got a couple of comments about demos of this package that basically >> said it was/will be the best Desk Top Publishing for the Amiga ever. >> >> To quote- "it will be the defininitive desktop publishing system for the >> AMIGA." > >The demo was indeed very impressive. But what I want to know is: how could >any business person in their right mind start advertising f_Sor a product >that's so far from completion? This is really appalling to me. I'd >rather work for IBM than conduct myself the way SoftLogik has. This reminds me of Shakespeare. Conceived in Jan (1987), advertised in July, intended for release in, hmmmmm, lesee, September, yeah, that sounds about right. Oops, some bugs, needs postscript, hey! Let's add some on screen text editing, yeah. October, sure no sweat. Run them ads! Full page, color? Why not, how bout 2, no 3, why not 4 col.dÑor? Oops, 1.3 drivers? Faster you say, sure, why not lets use them. Still in alpha stage? Oh, well, what's another month. December, yeah it ships in December. Hey, these 1.3 drivers still crash. What? you say it's January? Wasn't it January a year ago? You expect to get paid? not until Shakespeare ships, probably around February or so. Memory management? What's that! Oh well, if THEY have it, we better. Well, it's out. Crashes? What do you mean it crashes! Chief programmer quits? Get Smithwick in here. What's that make, 11 programmers now? Hey mike, here are some more bugs, like your new features. Oops, a bug is Leo's code. Got it. The Whiztronic drivers still don't work. Advertise? We can't afford to advertise. Hey guys, you see the reviews. "Great program if only it worked right!". Oh well. 14 hour debugging days. I feel like a real programmer now. Don't even shave! Caligrapher bug screwing up font loading. Damn! Thanks Carolyn. Drivers finally work! Multi-pagI@Ge issues don't guru. "Gee, this seems like an entirely different program". Got rid of those ugly default colors. Big order from Europe. "Hey Mike! I got house payments to make, how're the bugs coming?" 1.1 ships! Ahhh, blessed sleep! ZZZZzzzzzzz. . . 1.1 reviews are in. "Say, now, this is a really nice program, and it works to!". "Finest dot matrix output!"."I especially like those nice new little features. . ." And so ladies and germs, such is life in the glamorous world of commercial software development. I can sympathize with the Soft-Logik people, especially since they cashed my check in September. Mike, "I survived Shakespeare, and use it too!" -- *** mike (cerbral GURU, insert M&Ms to restart) smithwick*** "The great thing about standards is that there are so many of them!" [disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas] ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site rous>S@ter.kpo.fi From: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) Subject: Re: PageStream comments Message-ID: <10556@well.UUCP> Date: 1 Feb 89 09:30:20 GMT Organization: Loudmouth Software, Inc. Reply-To: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) QUOTE: "Can we stop smiling now?" "Not yet..." -- Dynaman In article <21163@ames.arc.nasa.gov> mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) writes: >...Oops, a bug is [sic] Leo's code. Got it. [ ... ] There are NO bugs in MY code. There $҅l/on the same thing for months on end, particularly when you've got zillions of ideas bouncing around in your head, can be quite frustrating. As a result, the program is late. It's not that the programmers or the publisher want it to be late, nor that they even *knew* it would be late. As the product becomes later and later, the publisher starts to lose money (paying the programmer[s]'s salary), and the programmer gets more and more irritated. No one wants product to be lat%Z<@e. It just sort of happens. You'd think publishers would have learned this by now, but in a world of four-month magazine lead times, some hard decisions have to be made by The Powers That Be, and they hope and pray that they are right. On the other side of the coin, you almost never see an arcade game port that's late. This is because the people paying to have the game developed say, in no uncertain terms, "It will be finished on this date." All they care about is&=| that it's finished in time for them to sell a lot of copies. Quality is almost never a consideration, since such games can usually sell on the name alone. This is why most arcade game ports suck. Sometimes, you see a crossing of the two. Because the publisher is running short of money, he'll 'shoot the programmer' and release the product early (with bugs) with the hope that the revenue generated from the product (before word gets out that it's buggy) will help cover the '5cost of completing the project properly. The problem with this approach is that you almost never recover from the bad reputation. So the best advice I can give when waiting for a product to be shipped is just that: Wait. Everyone at the other end is probably gnashing their teeth just as much as you are. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU \_ -_ (Ѓl Recumbent Bikes: UUCP: pacbell > !well,unicom!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) Subject: Re: On Software Development Message-ID: <10584@well.UUCP> Date: 3 Feb 89 09:23:10 GMT Organization: Network 2)Kx3 (XXIII) Reply-To: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) Summary: No, I'm not talking to myself... QUOTE: "Blake is an idealist; he cannot allow himself to think." -- Avon In article <10557@well.UUCP> I write: > Basically it has to do with the programmer lying to his bosses. After some brief correspondence with Jim Mackraz, I thought it might be appropriate to clarify this statement. I never meant to imply that this is how I intentionally go about my du*,.)ties, nor did I wish to imply that this is the sort of employer/employee relationship that should be expected. It was a poor choice of words on my part. I meant only to say that, despite everyone's best efforts to provide accurate forecasts, projects can become late. It is my perception that a professional programmer is fully aware of his/her level of expertise, and burnout level. Therefore, projects under the stewardship of professionals should tend to be less late than +iother projects. This is why, when some people refer to me as a wizard, I try to play it down. Wizards know precisely what their capabilities and limitations are. I've only been programming "professionally" (read: for money) for a relatively short period of time. I'm not yet fully aware of what my capabilities and limitations are. Sure, I've pulled off a few parlor tricks, but that turns out to be only a small part of what's needed when Actual Products are being developed,p. So far, I think the biggest requirement is perseverence (sp?). I'm trying to find that quality within myself. So I'm not a Wizard. But I'm working on it. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: UUCP: pacbell > !well,unicom!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "-pPWork FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** are. I've only been programming "professionally" (read: for money) for a relatively short period of time. I'm not yet fully aware of what my capabilities and limitations are. Sure, I've pulled off a few parlor tricks, but that turns out to be only a small part of what's needed when Actual Products are being developed ~­h Center - Santa Clara, CA The previous response was due to some weird hic-cup with the net stuff here. See in as how I'm not the admin. I have no idea what happened. Sorry, Dave S. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: fyl@ssc.UUCP (Phil Hughes) Subject: Re: PageStream comments Message-ID: <1667@ssc.UUCP> Date: 26 Jan 89 23:17:00 GMT Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA Gee, you can read the same articlesrmore reliable =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: wdao@sal45.usc.edu (Walter Dao) Subject: my stupid bug ... Message-ID: <2435@nunki.usc.edu> Date: 23 Jan 89 19:49:02 GMT Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: wdao@sal45.usc.edu (Walter Dao) I just want to share an experience I had recently (well yesterday) programming my amiga. I wanted to produce some sound on my amiga . I had a file of sampled sound. (it was Obiwan Kenobi talking to luke if you want to know.) and wanted to hear it . So with the Hardware Reference guide under my arms, went pounding the Assembly code, assembled the source, linked it with the sample and ran it. no sound from my $50 stereo amplifier that is adorning my mean machine. Back to debugging, rereading each lines of the hard. ref. guid. , checkin$g and rechecking all the memory addresses directly accessed, the data file. All seems ok. re Assemble, relink, re run, no beep, not even any static. Pounding my skull against the screen, inner savage urges were emerging. Let's bast something to mezons !!! . so reaching for some disks, I grabbed katakis, that's a good blast everything on sight. It booted , then no sound ! puzzled look ... fried chip ? ... a few hardware checks ... then enlightenment .... the volume of the stereo was set to minimum !!! stupid me . (I just received the disks from visionsound - the 4 music disk - and I played around with them ...) back to the sampled sound , execution of the prg. --- perfect run --- joy appeared on my lips ... I could kick myself for days. 2,3 hours of my life have been miserably wasted. dw. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Subject: North AmerikFcan DevCon 1989 Message-ID: <15170@oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 5 Feb 89 05:08:28 GMT Organization: Felsina Software, Los Angeles, CA Reply-To: papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) The following was posted by Gail Wellington on BIX (excerpted): "Reserve the dates of 15, 16, 17 June to attend the next Amiga DevCon. It will be at The Holiday Inn Golden Gateway in San Fransisco. More details as they become available." -- Marco Papa 'Doc' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=ގ-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= uucp:...!pollux!papa BIX:papa ARPAnet:pollux!papa@oberon.usc.edu "There's Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Diga!" -- Leo Schwab [quoting Rick Unland] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: peter@sugar.uu.net (Peter da Silva) Subject: Obnoxious breeding announcement. Message-ID: <3309@sugar.uu.net> Date: 21 Jan 89O7 17:10:52 GMT Organization: Sugar Land Unix - Houston, TX Alexina Paige da Silva -- Peter "Have you hugged your wolf today" da Silva `-_-' Hackercorp. ....texbell!sugar!peter, or peter@sugar.uu.net 'U` ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) Subject: On Software Development Message-ID: <10557@well.UUCP> Date: 1 Feb 89 09:37:39 GMT Organization: Amazon Wom juen On The Moon Reply-To: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) QUOTE: "You have our gratitude." -- A Fistful of Yen In article <2030154@hpcilzb.HP.COM> daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) writes: >But what I want to know is: how could >any business person in their right mind start advertising for a product >that's so far from completion? This is really appalling to me. [ ... ] It's quite easy, actually. My experience with developing Onion has given me an !uUinsight into how developing Real Applications works. I can speak only for myself, remember. Also remember that my words do not necessarily reflect the official position of Silent Software, Inc., nor does it necessarily reflect the normal development cycle there (we've actually met quite a few deadlines). Basically it has to do with the programmer lying to his bosses. By lying, I mean providing a forecast which turns out later to be untrue. This is (usually) unintentional. " The boss looks at the program, and says, "Gee, it's almost done! Just a couple more things, and it'll be finished." This is probably the worst thing a boss can say to a programmer, since it causes his productivity to go down the toilet. His (or her) mind starts to wander. He starts thinking about other projects he'd like to work on. He may actually start thinking about the data structures he'll use in his next project. The time spent thinking about his next project detr#@Eacts from the current project. Also, making the program robust can eat a lot of time. Bullet- proofing also causes the program to double in size. This can cause a recursive cycle to start up, with the boss saying, "Make it smaller," with the programmer obliging, but adding the required features and making *them* bulletproof, causing the program to grow larger still, causing the boss to say, "Make it smaller," etc. Also, programmers are known to burn out. Working S[13 bytes per second time copy 4mb nil: => 7.12 seconds == 589,088 bytes per second My disk is really badly fragmented and I need to fix that somehow. When I first got the drive I was getting read/write speeds of 650-700K. Oh, yeah, the two 4mb files increased the disk to 84% full, at which point maybe the fragmentation was really starting to show. Also, by four megabytes I think you mean exactly 2^22, or 4194304. More fuel for the fire. -tom --------------------------m0---- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cosell@bbn.com (Bernie Cosell) Subject: Mount questions Message-ID: <34939@bbn.COM> Date: 23 Jan 89 15:34:01 GMT Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA Reply-To: cosell@BBN.COM (Bernie Cosell) I've been fiddling around with my WB disk icons and the mountlist and such and I have a couple of baby questions (these all with 1.3 on a 2000): a) Where does "RAM:" get its name? I've trieJ5d rename from workbench, but when I reboot ram comes back as "RAM DISK:". [This worked fine for the Recoverable ram, disk -- a raname to "RRD:" and I no longer have to see 'ramb0:'] b) In my mountlist, df2: is configured to be a 5.25" floppy... well, it ain't. It's a Normal 3.5" guy. Why does it work? (it certainly _seems_ to work fine!) __ / ) Bernie Cosell /--< _ __ __ o _ BBN Sys & Tech, Cambridge, MA 02238va /___/_(<_/ (_/) )_(_(<_ cosell@bbn.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe) Subject: Re: Mount questions Message-ID: <549@jc3b21.UUCP> Date: 26 Jan 89 00:27:49 GMT Organization: St. Petersburg Jr. College, FL > I've been fiddling around with my WB disk icons and the mountlist and > such and I have a couple of baby questions (these all with 1.3 on a 2000): > > aj^) Where does "RAM:" get its name? I've tried rename from workbench, > but when I reboot ram comes back as "RAM DISK:". [This worked fine > for the Recoverable ram, disk -- a raname to "RRD:" and I no longer > have to see 'ramb0:'] Use "Relabel RAM: RAM" in your Startup-Sequence file. Remember that the RAM: disk goes away everytime you reboot. It gets recreated the first time it is referenced. So include a reference to RAM: (such as copy echo to RAM:") in your star(Fdtup sequence. Then relabel it. The new name will last until you boot the system again. > b) In my mountlist, df2: is configured to be a 5.25" floppy... well, > it ain't. It's a Normal 3.5" guy. Why does it work? (it certainly > _seems_ to work fine!) Are you sure you're mounting df2:? It's my understanding that the system will automatically recognize 3.5 inch disks without a mount command. If you subsequently try to mount df2: I would expect it to tell you "device uPalready mounted" (or words to that effect). --Fabbian Dufoe 350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South St. Petersburg, Florida 33705 813-823-2350 UUCP: ...uunet!pdn!jc3b21!fgd3 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: deven@pawl.rpi.edu (Deven Corzine) Subject: Re: Mount questions Message-ID: Date: 26 Jan 89 16:15:08 GMT Organization: RPI Public Access Workstation Lab, Troy, NY IN-REPLY-TO: fgd3@jc3b21.UUCP's message of 26 Jan 89 00:27:49 GMT > Use "Relabel RAM: RAM" in your Startup-Sequence file. Remember that >the RAM: disk goes away everytime you reboot. It gets recreated the first >time it is referenced. So include a reference to RAM: (such as copy echo >to RAM:") in your startup sequence. Then relabel it. The new name will >last until you boot the system again. No need; the reference to RAM: in that relabel command will create the ramdisk WE'just prior to renaming it. So just the "Relabel RAM: RAM" does the job nicely. Deven -- ------- shadow@pawl.rpi.edu ------- Deven Thomas Corzine --------------------- Cogito shadow@acm.rpi.edu 2346 15th Street Pi-Rho America ergo userfxb6@rpitsmts.bitnet Troy, NY 12180-2306 (518) 272-5847 sum... In the immortal words of Socrates: "I drank what?" ...I think. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS YV4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: john@wpi.wpi.edu (John F Stoffel) Subject: Mountain Software Message-ID: <620@wpi.WPI.EDU> Date: 6 Feb 89 17:45:56 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, Mass. Keywords: mail order Does anyone out on the net know what happened to Mountain Software? I bought a hard drive from them and I haven't seen it yet! They're phone number now gives a disconnected signal whenever I call them up. I've sent them letters, but I haven't hear anLcy response from them yet. Can anyone out there help me wit this? I think I can kiss my money good-bye, but this would seriously HURT since I is a college student. Any and all information would be appreciated. Thanks! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Stoffel fnoard! The ultimate BITNET John@wpi.bitnet USENET "don't know yet" in subliminal words! INTERNET john@wpi.wpi.edu -> No.fi From: jwz@spice.cs.cmu.edu (Jamie Zawinski) Subject: MG2A mouse key bindings? Message-ID: <4127@pt.cs.cmu.edu> Date: 27 Jan 89 06:18:07 GMT Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI Ok, so the documentation for MG2A says "and you can even rebind the mouse keys!" Cool, that's really great. Could somebody please explain how to do it? Thanks, Jamie "Better Living through Biting Cynicism" Zawinski jwz@spice.cs.cmu.edu sun!sunpitt!eti!jwz -- ------------------------------ ee Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: MOLNARRM@UREGINA1.BITNET (Dennis Gorrie) Subject: Michigan Insider Clock Message-ID: <8901221643.AA01176@jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 22 Jan 89 15:52:55 GMT >Anyone out there with a Michigan Software Insider? Yep. > The clock on mine >cannot seem to store the correct date; it always runs one day or 24hrs >late. I use Preferences to set the system time, and then use RTclock -w to write it to the Insider clock. I have never experienced the problem you have. However, it would be nice to get an update to RTCLOCK written in ML, as I think an 8k prog to set a clock is ridiculus, and besides that I'm still memory-hungry (who isn't!). --> Dennis Gorrie MOLNARRM AT UREGINA1.BITNET ''Chain-Saw Tag... Try it, You'll Like it!'' ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router@.kpo.fi From: eric@cbmvax.UUCP (Eric Cotton) Subject: Re: MicroEmacs Message-ID: <5778@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 25 Jan 89 15:29:53 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: eric@cbmvax.UUCP (Eric Cotton) In article <7220@louie.udel.EDU> koo%loki.edsg@hac2arpa.hac.com (frances koo) writes: >Does MicroEmacs allow you to perform case-insensitive searches? >If it does, which version? I can't seem to find how to do this >in the documentation... MicroEMACS (MEmacs) V31.3 included in the V1.3 AMIGA Enhancer does just this (^S and ^R). -- Eric Cotton Commodore-Amiga (215) 431-9100 1200 Wilson Drive uunet|pyramid|rutgers!cbmvax!eric West Chester, PA 19380 "I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: koo%loki.edsg@hac2arpa.hac.com (frances koo) Subject: MicroEma(cs Message-ID: <7220@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 25 Jan 89 01:17:14 GMT Does MicroEmacs allow you to perform case-insensitive searches? If it does, which version? I can't seem to find how to do this in the documentation... Thanks for the help! :-> ---- FK ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: TRM900@PSUVM.BITNET (Tony R. Marasco) Subject: Midi for the Amiga Message-ID: <70253TRM900@PSUVM> Date: 6  s#"Feb 89 18:39:25 GMT Organization: Penn State University - Schuylkill Campus A friend of mine is thinking about buying an Amiga 2000. He has a midi-compatible keyboard, and is wondering if there are midi programs & hardware available for the 2000. If so, does anyone know if the programs allow sampling & sequencing? Also, if someone knows the price on these items, it would be appreciated. ------- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Tony Mar 0oasco | UUCP: psuvax1!psuvm!trm900 | | Penn State University | BITNET: trm900@psuvm.BITNET | | Schuylkill Haven Highway | - or - | | Schuylkill Haven, PA 17976 | trm900%psuvm.psu.edu@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU | | "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." | | -- The Prisoner | +----------------------------------------- '--------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: sjk@utastro.UUCP (Scot Kleinman) Subject: Moebius Message-ID: <3580@utastro.UUCP> Date: 31 Jan 89 03:58:35 GMT Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX Well, I finally downloaded Moebius (the animation) onto the Amiga, but something went wrong. When I got to de-zooing it, it came up with only 9 files. The 10th one, PlayPFX, was corrup }t. Could someone please, oh please, send me a copy of this file. And I hope there wasn't anything else that got lost after that. Thanks!!!! scot kleinman Yow, does this mean I'm re-electedt yet? ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rokicki@polya.Stanford.EDU (Tomas G. Rokicki) Subject: More on Ronin vs. 2620 Message-ID: <6359@polya.Stanford.EDU> Date: 26 Jan 89 05:50:44 GMT Organization: Stanford Universit :y Current setup (Ronin memory, 75% full disk, largely fragmented): time copy 4mb new.4mb => 192.12 seconds == 43,663 bytes per second time copy 4mb nil: => 45.46 seconds == 92,264 bytes per second (God, I hadn't realized how bad that is! Of course, you're seeking all over the place in that copy to do the read/write/read/write stuff . . .) Setup without the memory (but still the 68020) under the above conditions: time copy 4mb new.4mb => 24.52 seconds == 342,1i----. Bus ________________________________| |__________ |_________| RW ________________________________/\ __________________ | \/ | `- - - - - - - - - - - - - -. /\.- - - --' \/ GRND _______________________________ /\___________________ \/ Sorry if my graphics are a bit poor. Any help would bOle greatly appreciated. Thanx. ------------------------------ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ < Fred Cassirer ... rutgers!petsd!fredc or > < Concurrent Computer Corp (preferred)... rutgers!petsd!pecnos!fredc > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS dڅV4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: anakin@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Anakin Research) Subject: Re: Memory boards and bus noise Message-ID: <1989Jan25.052305.13169@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu> Date: 25 Jan 89 10:23:05 GMT Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services Reply-To: anakin@gpu.utcs.UUCP (Anakin Research) I have found that the best termination is to terminate the 16 data lines and the four control signals (*AS, *LDS, *UDS, & R/*W) with a 4.7K resistor to 5V+ and a 1K resis tor in series with a 1000 pf. ceramic cap to ground. I was told this idea by the kind people at Microbotics. It has greatly increased the reliability and the number of peripherals on the bus. Brad Fowles ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: anakin@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Anakin Research) Subject: Re: Memory boards and bus noise Message-ID: <1989Jan31.135929.750@gpu.utcs.t سoronto.edu> Date: 31 Jan 89 18:59:29 GMT Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services Reply-To: anakin@gpu.utcs.UUCP (Anakin Research) I've also had a number of questions in my E-mail on the bus terminator to help with bus noise on the A1000, so here t'is pin 1,2,3,4 Ground pin 5,6 5V+ *Note: Grounds also at 13,25,37,49,61,73,85 Signals to terminate: (20) pin 63 D15 pin 65 D14 pin 67 D13 pin 68 R/*W pin 69 D12 pin 70 *LDS p!! in 71 D11 pin 72 *UDS pin 74 *AS pin 75 D0 pin 76 D10 pin 77 D1 pin 78 D9 pin 79 D2 pin 80 D8 pin 81 D3 pin 82 D7 pin 83 D4 pin 84 D6 pin 86 D5 The pins on the 86 pin expansion connector are numbered 1 on the top front pin, 2 on the bottom front pin, etc. ie. odd numbers on top, even on the bottom of the connector on the A1000 "?qFor the record, here is the network which is connected to each of the 20 signals listed above: 4.7K Signal<----*--------/\/\/\/\/\-------------->5V+ | | 1000 pf. | 1.0K | | | *--------/\/\/\/\/\----| |------->Ground | | *NOT#v4E: must be ceramic Terminator should be put on the last peripheral in the chain. Brad anakin@utcs.gpu.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tomb@hplsla.HP.COM (Tom Bruhns) Subject: Re: Memory boards and bus noise Message-ID: <5160024@hplsla.HP.COM> Date: 3 Feb 89 18:39:55 GMT Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA > > Terminator should be put on the last peripheral i$+n the chain. > > Brad anakin@utcs.gpu.toronto.edu > ---------- As a satisfied user of the termination scheme mentioned, I'd like to point out that it's easy to build on an 86-pin edge connector and just plug it on the end of the chain. Easy to change the pile of peripherals around that way, if they all have pass-through. (I suspect this is what Brad had in mind, but I had a vision of someone soldering a bunch of parts directly into the last board/ %:expansion peripheral...) Using such a terminator, I have been able to put two Starboards on my A1000, where I couldn't before. Haven't had a chance to try three of 'em yet... Cheers, Tom Bruhns tomb%hplsla@hplabs.hp.com ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** boards and bus noise Message-ID: <5160024@hplsla.HP.COM> Date: 3 Feb 89 18:39:55 GMT Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA > > Terminator should be put on the last peripheral iW t questions Re: Mount questions (2 msgs) Mountain Software my stupid bug ... North American DevCon 1989 Obnoxious breeding announcement. On Software Development Re: On Software Development ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpzowing the WB >>screen. >You don't have an 68881 ? >Since Kick1.2 the OS checks if the coprocessor for 68881 >This is done with a Coprocessor instruction. This instruction will never >terminate if the Coprocessor cycle isn't terminated with a DTACK. >The solution is to connect the ChipSelect with DSACK1 on the 68881. >>Nope, if the 68881 is not there he should pull on buserr I think, signifying >>that an access to an unattached coprocesor device has been made. >>If the 68881 then sta*>9ndard bus protocol should be used. >>I could be wrong, it has been a while since we worked on that code and had >>the state anylizer hooked up testing the coldstart sequence. >>-- >>Dale Luck GfxBase/Boing, Inc. Oops! I'm afraid I don't pull *BERR if the Coprocessor ain't there. Does anyone else. Boy ya learn something new every day. I must admit that this makes perfect sense, Dale. Atleast his machine would GURU instead of going off to la-la land. I humbly appologiöse. Brad BTW Valentin, does the board work now with the 881 installed? ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu (Steve Ludtke) Subject: LUCAS for the 1000 Message-ID: <9312@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> Date: 28 Jan 89 02:29:35 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology Reply-To: stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu (Steve Ludtke) Hi. I just read several m>essages about the LUCAS board. Not knowing what it was I hadn't read any messages about it before. Could someone please tell me a little about it (please use email if it has been discussed on the net already). I'd like to know : how much does it cost, how fast does it run, how is it connected to the amiga,and where to get one. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ludtke stevel@tybalt.caltech.edu ..!cit-vax!tybalt.caltech.edu!Nstevel stevel@citiago (Bitnet) OBS949 (Amer PPl lnk) 72335,1537 (Compuserve) XJM16487 (Genie) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: disd@hubcap.UUCP (Gary Heffelfinger) Subject: Manx 4.1? (was Re: C Compilers) Message-ID: <4262@hubcap.UUCP> Date: 31 Jan 89 17:32:16 GMT Organization: Clemson University, Clemson, SC > Hi! > > Everyones talking about the precompiled .h-files inM֥ Lattice. > Manx did this since V. 3.4 and it saved me a LOT of time when > Lattice didnt even know what it was :-) > Hoever, I think you should wait for Manx 4.1. to compare to > Lattice 5.0. The obvious question is, what happened to Manx 4.0? -- Gary R Heffelfinger - Not speaking for Clemson University disd@hubcap.clemson.edu -- FIX the Holodeck -- Furman Paladins --- National Champs!! ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/2젣VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shf@well.UUCP (Stuart H. Ferguson) Subject: Re: mathffp.library Message-ID: <10551@well.UUCP> Date: 1 Feb 89 00:46:53 GMT Organization: The Blue Planet Reply-To: shf@well.UUCP (Stuart H. Ferguson) +-- bartonr@psu-cs.UUCP (Robert Barton) writes: | The mathffp.library (not ffp.library) is not in libs: because it is part | of Kickstart, along with exec, graphics, layers, intuition, etc. The odd thing about it is that, unlike the other ROM libraries!6, the mathffp.library disapears from the Exec library list after a "flush libs" command, but then comes back when a program references it. Where does it go when it's not on the list? Just curious. -- Stuart Ferguson (shf@well.UUCP) Action by HAVOC ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: fredc@petsd.UUCP (Fred Cassirer) Subject: Memory boards and bus noise Message-ID: <143NA0@petsd.UUCP> Date: 24 Jan 89 03:46:22 GMT Organization: Concurrent Computer Corporation I am involved in building a memory board (well I wrote some memory tests and other S/W stuff ...) for an Amiga 1000, and we are having a problem with what we think is bus noise. The board checks out ok, we can read/write and read-modify-write all fine by reading/writing before doing an ADDMEM (we have disabled the autoconfig stuff). We can successfully "poke" an assembly program into the 5Q memory and the execute it via an indirect function call in C. All seems well. We can ADDMEM, but soon afterwards (like after run emacs) we will guru. Usually during a disk I/O (but I can't prove that). Most of the time it looks like something has written all thru chip memory because the screen goes nuts. On the analyzer we are seeing noise glitches on the control signals (AS, R/W). We have heard that some kind of bus termination may clean up the problem. Does anyone kno˾w what buses or signals should be terminated and what to use for termination? We have new pals (10ns) and have done the grounding trick. I'm told the board is very "clean" as far as signals go, the memory chips are very fast (in the 25ns range) Following is a rough sketch of what we see happening: AS -------. /\._______ | /\______________________/\/\____________| \/ Data .-----" ?? What happened?? Surely she won't divorce a genius? (Ithink) Sri ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: kodiak@amiga.UUCP (Robert R. Burns) Subject: Re: Lorraine Message-ID: <3295@amiga.UUCP> Date: 31 Jan 89 01:38:35 GMT Organization: Commodore-Amiga Inc, Los Gatos CA Reply-To: kodiak@tooter.UUCP (Robert Burns) Summary: The First Lady In article <1573@psu-cs.UUCP> bartonr@psu-cs.UUCP (Robert Bartor n) writes: )... where did the name "Lorraine" come from? Lorraine was the wife of the president of Amiga Computer, Inc. -- Bob Burns, amiga!kodiak _ | /_ _|. _ | Commodore __ |_) _ |_ _ )' |<(_)(_)|(_\|< /\ | ||| _` /\ |_)(_\| )(_\ | | \ Software ___/..\|\/|||__|/..\___ Faith ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: anakin@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Anakin Reseh$arch) Subject: Re: Lucas Accelerator Message-ID: <1989Jan20.161900.22518@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu> Date: 20 Jan 89 21:19:00 GMT Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services Reply-To: anakin@gpu.utcs.UUCP (Anakin Research) There is a possible fix, if you'd like to try it here it is. BTW Microbotics is absolutely right it is my fault. They have been a great deal of help to me, It was Jerry at Microbotics who came up with the terminator. I have a fix for the LUCAS Micobot Ϧics problem that works on the only two amiga's I have to try it on. I make no guarantees but I'd like a couple of you out there to try it. The first thing that must be done is to build a terminator for the bus. Take an 86 pin female edge connector and put the following network on each of the 16 data lines and on *AS, *LDS, *UDS, & R/*W. That's 20 lines total. Data or Control line <------/\/\/\/\/\---------> 5 Volts + | 4.7K |  )* | | | |----/\/\/\/\/\---| |---> Ground 1K | | 1000 pf. Next change U9 to a 74LS74 and change U8 to a straight 7474. I had a fix which involved using one type D pal, but I decided that it was such a hassle (and $20.00) to update people with a new pal, and there had to be a simpler method. I'm still not happy with this fix as  yQit seems a little sensitive to me. Besides why should I have all the fun of finding this problem. Give it a try and let me know, don't be afraid to experiment. There seems to be some evidence that a fast memory access right after a *VMA and *VPA cycle could be a problem. Remember that because LUCAS is ASYNC. it is constantly delaying and speeding up to match up to the AMIGA 7M clock. I know making this terminator seems like alot of work but there are other adv Ҫ!antages. One of my Amiga's doesn't like more than two peripherals on the bus, but with the terminator it can handle four. I've also had some success in operating LUCAS at 24 Meg with the terminator installed. True it is a little flakey at the moment but maybe I can make it more stable. By the way if anyone comes up with a more solid fix for the Microbotics memory board, that works across a fair number of 1000's, I will gladly send you a LUCAS board a PALS free. I'll keep tryi l-ng for a better fix but I've got to get back to finishing the design on the 32_bit memory board. Good Luck ........ Brad ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mlelstv@faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Michael van Elst ) Subject: Re: Lucas Accelerator Message-ID: <819@faui10.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: 23 Jan 89 16:24:28 GMT Organization: IMMD IV, University of Erlangen, W-Germanu`y 451061%UOTTAWA.BITNET@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (Valentin Pepelea) writes: >Now, the real subject of this message. I have built the Lucas 68020 board for >my Amiga 1000, and are successful in loading up KS 1.1 and WB 1.1 but if I load >instead KS 1.2 or 1.3, then the Amiga hangs up on me before showing the WB >screen. You don't have an 68881 ? Since Kick1.2 the OS checks if the coprocessor is there to do additional stuff when task switching. This is done with a Coprocessor instru`ction. This instruction will never terminate if the Coprocessor cycle isn't terminated with a DTACK. The solution is to connect the ChipSelect with DSACK1 on the 68881. The cycle will terminate and result in an exeception that tells the OS that no REAL 68881 is there. Michael van Elst E-mail: UUCP: ...uunet!unido!fauern!faui45!mlelstv ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: anankin@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Anakin Research) Subject: Re: Lucas Accelerator Message-ID: <1989Jan26.210550.10129@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu> Date: 27 Jan 89 02:05:50 GMT Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services Reply-To: anakin@gpu.utcs.UUCP (Anakin Research) >451061%UOTTAWA.BITNET@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (Valentin Pepelea) writes: >>my Amiga 1000, and are successful in loading up KS 1.1 and WB 1.1 but if I loa d >>instead KS 1.2 or 1.3, then the Amiga hangs up on me before sh+zNHg,p)2Hg0@ |h`0@ |HCRFpFn ` <L|NuNVH?<$n JCtQ/N-@HnN-@&nPg=kkk/ Date: 30 Jan 89 18:51:36 GMT Organization: Dana Computer, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA In article <1573@psu-cs.UUCP>, bartonr@psu-cs.UUCP (Robert Barton) writes: > > Now that we know the origin of "Zorro", where did the name "Lorraine" > come from? No secret as far as I know... Lorraine is the name of the wife of one of the cofounders of Amiga: Dave Morse, Amiga's president. Rob Peck ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V_gq5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sriram Ramkrishna) Subject: Re: Lorraine Message-ID: <1087@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 31 Jan 89 04:29:00 GMT Organization: Purdue University Reply-To: aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sriram Ramkrishna) In article <3295@amiga.UUCP> kodiak@tooter.UUCP (Robert Burns) writes: >Lorraine was the wife of the president of Amiga Computer, Inc. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ | | / Was?l| Re: Memory boards and bus noise (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: gefuchs@top.cis.syr.edu (Gill E. Fuchs) Subject: Looking for QRT again! Message-ID: <1052@cmx.npac.syr.edu> Date: 30 Jan 89 19:32:00 GMT Organization: CIS Dept., Syracuse University Reply-To: gefuchs@top.cis.syr.edu (Gill E. Fuchs) Hi... Sorry but, this is a repost for the request of '{QRT ray tracer... I am looking for a copy of QRT source code, on the net.... Thank you for all those people who sent info on were I can find it on People link and Amiga link, but I do not have access to those. Also I do not have access to Zoo, so please do not zooify the files. Thank you... 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Michigan Insider Clock Re: MicroEmacs MicroEmacs Midi for the Amiga Moebius More on Ronin vs. 2620 Moun*xonmlkjih}|{zyxwvuts~O!yK2109pK * This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 109 Today's topics: re:Port2 problems PageStream Re: PageStream comments (5 msgs) Panasonic 1124 printer Re: Pascal for the Amiga (4 msgs) Patching kickstart/workbench instead of addmem PCOutline type of product (was: Microsoft C 5Ѥ2.0 / Quick C for Amiga) Re: PD Amiga Forth (with source) on East Coast Forth Board ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: MFM1%LEHIGH.BITNET@ibm1.cc.lehigh.edu (mark masters) Subject: re:Port2 problems Message-ID: <8183@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 7 Feb 89 14:03:22 GMT The chip that is probably bad is a 74HCT157 or 74LS157. It should be located close to the port inputs. Ef. The chip is soldered to the mother-board, so if you want to get some one to desolder it for you I wouldn't think that would be to expensive. The chip costs about $00.19 good luck Mark ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: daveo@ohman.UUCP (Dave Oh) Subject: PageStream Message-ID: <0280.AA0280@ohman> Date: 28 Jan 89 05:00:00 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga Organization: Ohman Enterprises I have purchased Page#stream by softlogik almost one year ago. I've phoned every month, asking when it would come, and they would say, "next week". Now, a year later, and 12 phone calls from Kitchener, Ontario, Canada to Softlogik after the fact, I After reading some news from here regarding this software, I would appreciate anyone from Softlogik' Thank-you. -- // Dave Oh PLINK: Dave*Oh \X/ Kitchener, Ontario UUCP: !egvideo!ohman!daveo ------------݉------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) Subject: Re: PageStream comments Message-ID: <2030154@hpcilzb.HP.COM> Date: 20 Jan 89 23:01:43 GMT Organization: HP Design Tech Center - Santa Clara, CA / hpcilzb:comp.sys.amiga / schwager@m.cs.uiuc.edu / 8:59 pm Jan 17, 1989 / > > Well let's see -- it IS advertised in the Feb. edition of a major > Amiga magazine as "Shipping Now!". > And last MN٫varch they said that I could trade in my PageSetter disk + $55 for Publishing Partner Pro (now "PageStream"), but that I had to act quick cuz the offer ended... what was it, May 1st? I waited patiently until last month, cuz they kept sending me little cards that said, "Thanks for being patient, it's coming RSN!!" One of 'em came in November and said, "boy, are you PATIENT!!!" :-) Just kidding. Finally, I called 'em in December. The guy on the phone said, "oh, well, yeah... see, re@cently we kinda had a problem with the printer of the manual, but we'll be shipping FOR SURE in early January." I said, "Converting from the Julian to the Soft-Logik calendar, that means it'll be here around... hmmm.... January 20, right?" To which the guy says, "Oh, no, no, no... I'm sure you'll see it the first or second week of January. No problem." So I called 'em last week just to double check, and they said "we're getting rid of some bugs... it'll be mid February." So I think you bought your magazine a little early. Anyway, the programmer showed me a demo of this thing at Chicago's AmiExpo. It really was neat, but I don't know how neat it was compared to PageSetter Pro, since I don't have that. You could draw objects, then move 'em around over and through each other. Blocks of text, too. Resizing, rotating, cool stuff like that. It was faster then regular PageSetter, but still needed work in the speed department. The programmer was confident they % could get it to scroll quickly. > I also got a couple of comments about demos of this package that basically > said it was/will be the best Desk Top Publishing for the Amiga ever. > > To quote- "it will be the defininitive desktop publishing system for the > AMIGA." The demo was indeed very impressive. But what I want to know is: how could any business person in their right mind start advertising for a product that's so far from completion? This is really appalling to  me. I'd rather work for IBM than conduct myself the way SoftLogik has. I'm looking forward to getting the program, though. It's a good thing I don't really *need* laser-printer output from my Amiga; if I did, I'd have gone to PageSetter Pro a long time ago. -Mike Schwager schwager@a.cs.uiuc.edu -- uunet,convex,pur-ee!uiucdcs!schwager schwager%uiuc@csnet-relay.arpa University of Illinois, Dept. of Computer Science P.S. PageSetter and Pagestream  ^ are probably trademarks of their respective corporations. And I hate lawyers. Why do regular ol' people need to put these disclaimers in their notes? The world keeps getting sillier and sillier... ---------- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) Subject: Re: PageStream comments Message-ID: <2030155@hpcilzb.HP.COM> Date: 23 Jan 89 20:47:32 GMT Organization: HP Design Tec)?>=<QPONMLKJIHG\[ZYXWVUTSRgfedcba`_^]rqpL!y2110pp&.* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 110 Today's topics: Re: PD Sound Digitizer Pioneer Computing Where are you ? Re: Pioneer Computing Where are you ? PL/1 for Amiga? Port 2 Problem-HELP! Re: PORTAL (5 msgs) Re: Postscript painting program???? (6 ms+%$#"! 0/.-,+*)('&;:987654321FEDCBA@P!y2111p@V * This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 111 Today's topics: PostScript problems Re: Problem with Drive? Program checkers (was Re: IRQ virus) Qbert? Questions on Readysofts Mac Emulato Re: Quieter fan for the 2000? (6 msgs) Re: RAM disk +R     P!yl2134p* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 34 Today's topics: Re: Unsupported Programming Practices Re: V-20 in the bridgeboard??? Want info on "processor accelerator" Re: Want info on "processor accelerator" Want info on 3D glasses. Re: Want info on 3D glasses. (5 msgs) Was: Re:$Ch!y2139pL* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 39 Today's topics: Amiga Keyboards Re: Amiga Keyboards (4 msgs) Amiga Portables was/Re: Death of the 1000 Amiga 1000 power supply Re: Amiga 1000 power supply (3 msgs) amiga 2500UX Re: amiga 2500UX (5 msgs) -S!y 32140p.U>SRQPONMLKJI^]\[ZYXWVUTihgfedcba`_tsrqV9! 2144pŏ* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 40 Today's topics: Re: amiga 2500UX (5 msgs) AmigaSpice source code??? Re: AmigaSpice source code??? (3 msgs) Another minor window hack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; sit6 l* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 41 Today's topics: Re: Another minor window hack Any mail servers PLEASE (was Bitnet FTPs ) any new info on 2090A? Arp.library Re: Arp.library (2 msgs) ASDG Minirack C compatible HD controller? Re: ASDG Minirack C compatible HD f6controller? (2 msgs) assembly language books At the Magic Million Mark Re: Atalk III 1.0e ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: packer\h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Michael A Packer,318 Knapp,,2928607) Subject: Re: Another minor window hack Message-ID: <244\h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> Date: 12 Jan 89 08:55:01 GMT > > TˆVhe following is the other half of placewindow (for those who remember > that). It will print out the location/size of any (or all) windows on > [...] How about when posting something like this, also posting an uuencoded version for people that do not have Lattice 5.01 or even a Lattice C compiler? Michael USMAIL: 318 Knapp Hall, WVU, Morgantown, WV 26506 PHONE: 304 293-3607 INTERNET : packer\a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu USENET: allegra,bellcore,ihpn4$cadre,decvax$idis,psuvax1$pitt$wv̰*ucsa$packer ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: iwm\ic.ac.uk (Ian Moor) Subject: Any mail servers PLEASE (was Bitnet FTPs ) Message-ID: Date: 17 Jan 89 18:33:41 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College IN-REPLY-TO: denbeste\bbn.com's message of 16 Jan 89 01:35:23 GMT POSTING-FRONT-E: GNU Emacs 18.45.10 of Tue Jan 12 1988 on amvax4 (berkeley-unix) Steven Den BͶ*/este says: >Within Bitnet, users should be able to use FTP just fine. But until and unless >someone installs a level 3 gateway between the networks, FTP across the >boundary is not possible. I think that Bitnet only supports transfer of files or sending of short messages between IBM machines running VM and RSCS or other machines emulating them (VMS Vaxes running jnet and others). The corresponding facility to anonymous FTP is a mail server - which accepts mailed commands like `inde΍x' or `send' and mails replies back. I am not on Internet but have mail access to Internet and Bitnet -- so PLEASE are there any mail servers with comp.sources.amiga, comp.binaries.amiga or Fish Disks on ? Preferably in the Uk as we get billed for international mail even incoming (so please don't mail all Fish disks in uuencoded form :-) ) -- Ian W Moor UUCP: seismo$mcvax$ukc$icdoc$iwm ARPA: iwm\doc.ic.ac.uk JANET: iwm\uk.ac.ic.doc Department of Computing We don't need no jrdocumentation, Imperial College. We don't need no source control, 180 Queensgate No dark sarcasm in the boardroom, London SW7 UK. Manager$ leave those programmers alone$ ------------------------------ From: darin\nova.laic.uucp (Darin Johnson) Subject: any new info on 2090A? Message-ID: <405\laic.UUCP> Date: 9 Jan 89 20:57:00 GMT What is the latest on the 2090A. I have a 2090 and want to know if I can upgrade/trade-in/etc. I haven't heard anythinwyg about a way to do this. Of course, if I can find a sucker to buy a used 2090, then I'm in business... Darin Johnson (leadsv$laic$darin\pyramid.pyramid.com) "You can't fight in here$ This is the war room.." ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: MOLNARRM\UREGINA1.BITNET (Dennis Gorrie) Subject: Arp.library Message-ID: <8901162138.AA11702\jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 16 Jan 89 19:56:04 GMT I dedided to tr !ڠy ARP, and I was very impressed, by the ease of use, and the space savings. I copy my C directory to recoverable-ram disk, and like a lot of other people who don't own hard disks, I am always trying to make my C directory as small as possible. However, there is one problem I am having; When ever I load up a terminal program or some program that loads a library, my ARP.library is always flushed from memory, and I have to re-insert my Workbench disk before I can use an ARP command.  Ң@[ This really gets to be annoying, and I have stopped using ARP and returned to using a reduced number workbench 1.3 commands (boy do they take a lot of space$). Is there a way I can set ARP.library in memory permanenly to avoid this? I imagine there are a lot of users out there without hard drives or enormous expansion memory, who have made themselves a useful CLI environment that offers a maximum of commands in a minimum of space. With all the various shells and other such progra Ckms available, it is hard to evaluate them. I would like to hear from other Amiga users (with memory limitations) what their favourite workbench setups and shells are. Dennis Gorrie 'Happiness is a Warm Chain-Saw$' ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: louie\trantor.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Subject: Re: Arp.library Message-ID: <3064\haven.umd.edu> Date: 16 Jan 89 22:33:47 GMT Organization: University of Ma-lJ_^]\[ZYXWVUjihgfedcba`utsrqponmlkw~}|{zyxUo!zI2142vpxN/* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 42 Today's topics: Re: Atalk III 1.0e (11 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: papa\pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) Subject: Re: Atalk III 1.0e Message-ID: <14652\oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 13 Jan 89 02:11:35 GMT Organization: %',+*)>=<;:987654IHGFEDCBA@?MLKTSRQPONF}!z2148pN7Db* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 48 Today's topics: Fast Compilers Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) Re: Fast fonts... (AkA, FF ) (10 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: cs161agc\sdcc10.ucsd.EDU (John Schultz) Sub)      ('&%$#"! .-3210/L!z2149p/1* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 49 Today's topics: Ferrari Formula I and Kickstart 1.3 FFS Re: FFS Re: Filtering the source/binaries without bottleneck (8 msgs) Re: Floppy FFS (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News -'+!IB!z2150pY/=* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 50 Today's topics: Forth & Prolog wanted Re: Forth & Prolog wanted (2 msgs) Frame controllers for A2000 Fred Fish, PD programs Re: Fred Fish, PD programs (7 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rosenbergr\abo)*,L!zo2151p#Rz* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 51 Today's topics: Re: Fred Fish, PD programs Re: F16 Falcon problem Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon (2 msgs) Game Updates (was Re: Falcon Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon Re: Game Updates (was Re: Falcon) (2 msgs) Re: Gam+P!z2152pM* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 52 Today's topics: HardFrame 2000 Hardware & games Re: Help with Dataproducts Prism-80 printer Help$ Lattice 5.0 problems$ Re: Help$ Software crashing for unknown reason$$$ high-speed file transfer Re: high-speed file tranNPsfer (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: Leon D. Shaner Subject: HardFrame 2000 Message-ID: <6956\louie.udel.EDU> Date: 20 Jan 89 19:04:56 GMT TO: Amiga-Relay%Udel.Edu I don't intend to cause bad publicity for MicroBotics, but if you're waiting for a HardFrame, you may be waiting, and waiting and waiting... I ordered a hardframe directoly from MicroBotics about a month ago. No indication was made that there might be a delay in filling the order. I called about a week later, somewhat dismated to still be without a controller (my Quantum Pro80s had just arrived an it was ordered the same day). They said they were waiting for parts from a local vender, and expected to be shipping in a few days. It seems that at an earlier date they were waiting for the aluminum frames, now they are waiting for pals. The pal manuf$acturer is promising to deliver as each new day dawns. But, still no pals <-- Read Still No HardFrame :( To make a long story short, I was forced to go with a GVP IMPACT. I am very please. I experienced none of the setup horror stories I've I've been reading about on the net. Everything was automated. I really have no way of knowing for sure which of the two cards is truly superior, but I venture to say there is not that much of a difference, if you have the GVP AutoBoot EPROMs i&nstalled. The truth of the matter is the GVP may be more expensive, but it is here today, and just imagine the anxiety of having a hard drive for over a month, with no controller$ The moral of the story... always check for availability of new products before opening yourself up to a major disappointment :) If I can find out for sure when the HardFrame is shipping, I'll post... Leon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------p------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: inuy\vax5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU Subject: Hardware & games Message-ID: <17756\vax5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU> Date: 20 Jan 89 05:17:48 GMT Organization: Cornell Information Technologies, Ithaca NY Reply-To: inuy\vax5.cit.cornell.edu () I recently bought a copy of the game MENACE by psygnosis. For a shoot em up type game I like it a lot. I have a question for other people who have it though...Will your copy run o *n another amiga ?? I took my copy over to a friends house (he has a B2000) and it didn't run. I thought it was a quirk, but that was all. Then last night I took my copy to the Amiga users group meeting, and it didn't run on an identical A1000 system $$ I was almost surprised to see it run on mine again $ Is this part of there copy protection ? If it is, I'm very paranoid, as I ran my copy for the first time on a friends A1000 $$ He lives by the mall, so I picked it up and scootzed over to his house.. Serous bummer if it would only run on his computer $$ I think if it is part of the copy protection, it saves the serial number or whatever when it saves the high score. Next, I am very interested in adding more ram to my A1000. I am good with hardware projects. Would someone out there who has the plans to piggyback more ram chips in the 1000, send me a xerox of the plans ? I will gladly let you know how it comes out if you are thinking about it, but wanna k bԃnow someone who tried it first hand first.. Also, one of my friends with a 1000 has a strange problem. It seems some colors don't show up on his system. He gets his R G and B but some of the 'shades' are missing. He thinks he has an old 1000 without the halfbright chip or something..Is this fixable ? Is it just a matter of replacing an IC or is it more extensive then that ? Here is a Q&D hardware hack for those of you with Quickshot II joysticks..By changing the value of a capaci EDtor in the joystick, you can speed up the autofire rate. Also while your in there, you may want to run a separate pair of wires down for each of the fire buttons, and connect one of them across the autofire switch. Then you have one button for rapid fire, and the other for manual. The cap you want to change for real rapid fire is the .01 MFD (labeled 103) cap. It is most likely a small green thing that looks like a chicklet. If you replace that with a .0015 the sucker will fire  Isuper fast $$ By the way, the only other cap in the joystick is a 10 MF electrolytic so you wont have any problems finding the one to change $ And lastly, I have converted 3 atari track balls into amiga mice ala the article in amazing computing. Very nice when done, and it will only take you round an hour to do. Be sure and get a trackball with the little mouse/joystick switch on the bottom.. Happy Hacking $$ Matthew Kleinmann (607) 277-2937 Home (607) 277-7979 Modem INUY\CORNEL-1Exwvutsrqpon~}|{zyS!{2154pI* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 154 Today's topics: Re: F-16 Versus DF1: Re: F-16 Versus DF1: The War Continues.... F-16 Versus DF1: The War Continues.... Re: F-18 Interceptor (7 msgs) F/A 18 Interceptor questions Re: F/A 18 Interceptor questions -------------------------------5]LKJIHGFEDCBWVUTSRQPONMba`_^]\[ZYXmlkjihgfedcU!{g2155p-? +*)('&%$#"!6543210/.-,A@?>=<;:987T!|2156pcH* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 155 Today's topics: Re: F/A 18 Interceptor questions FFS on a 5" floppy drive FONTS Re: FONTS (2 msgs) For Sale: Amiga 1000!!! FOR SALE: Amiga 500 1.5MB memory expansion FTP of Executables. 7j * This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 156 Today's topics: Re: Half-baked Ideas, New Projects HAM ti .GIF Hard disk testing stuff -- specifically badblocks Re: Hard disk testing stuff -- specifically badblocks Re: Hard disks for 2000 Hard drive & chip contention Re: Hard &ݭ  Gt!|<2157p ɵ* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 157 Today's topics: HELP Help me find a B/W video camera, please! Help me to C. Re: Help me to C. Re: HELP on Project D v1.1 Help Using Amiga UUCP Help with AUX and terminal Re&XG !|Q2158phY* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 158 Today's topics: IFF description? IFF to WB palette In search of Guru Translator Includes and Autodocs Re: Includes and Autodocs (2 msgs) Indianapolis Amiga Dealers Information about Magellan? 'mI!|`2159p<$* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 159 Today's topics: Re: Jerry declares the 2000 as 'the most improved computer' Jokes KA9Q TCP/IP Re: KA9Q TCP/IP Keyboard macro/mapping program. Re: Keyboard macro/mapping program. (3 msgs) KeyMap Editor {f Leather Godesses of Phobos Re: Linking without startup code or libraries Logicworks.... Re: Logicworks.... (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins) Subject: Re: Jerry declares the 2000 as 'the most improved computer' Message-ID: <2030163@hpcilzb.HP.CTtqOM> Date: 8 Mar 89 16:58:41 GMT Organization: HP Design Tech Center - Santa Clara, CA > Lord knows it pains me to say this, but if you need to do any of > Notice that I didn't put Desktop publishing or Desktop video or >Games up there. You want Desktop publishing? You go to Apple. You want ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This one REALLY pains me. I really do not understand why the AMIGA has not yet been used to do decent Desktop Pub-˙lishing. It seems to me as though the required hardware is there or available, but the software to do it is a joke. I'm sure there MUST be a good reason -- I just can't imagine what it is. Dave S. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rokicki@polya.Stanford.EDU (Tomas G. Rokicki) Subject: Jokes Message-ID: <7506@polya.Stanford.EDU> Date: 8 Mar 89 02:49:03 GMT Organization: Stanford University C'mon, folks, Ilighten up. I thought the first one (dustcover for Amiga) was excellent. Of course, they went straight downhill, but such jokes are for ignoring, not for making a hullabaloo about. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: daemon@watale.waterloo.edu (joejobber process) Subject: KA9Q TCP/IP Message-ID: <3076@watale.waterloo.edu> Date: 5 Mar 89 06:49:34 GMT Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Reply-To: guest@sury).a.waterloo.edu (Barry Kahl) Does any documentation exist that explains how to configure the Amiga version of KA9Q TCP/IP? In particular, I am having great difficulty trying to figure out what address, and interrupt to specify for the "attach asy" command. And I suspect that I will have other problems as well, since this version is not quite the same as the IBM PC version for which I do have documentation. I would be grateful for any pointers. Thanks, Barry Kahl (guest@surya.waterlE"7oo.edu, watmath!surya!guest) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rminnich@super.ORG (Ronald G Minnich) Subject: Re: KA9Q TCP/IP Message-ID: <6857@super.ORG> Date: 8 Mar 89 15:33:51 GMT Organization: Supercomputing Research Center, Lanham, Md. Reply-To: rminnich@kent.UUCP (Ronald G Minnich) In article <3076@watale.waterloo.edu> guest@surya.waterloo.edu (Barry Kahl) writes: >trying to figure out what addresI"attach asy" command. And I suspect that I will have other problems well, you don't need either since it always uses serial.device. If i remember right (i am at work) just use 0 for address and interrupt. Use your baud rate for the baud rate, and all else follows the standard PC ka9q. Good luck, ron ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: andya@metasoft.UUCP (Andy Adler) Subj }ect: Keyboard macro/mapping program. Message-ID: <728@metasoft.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 89 18:28:52 GMT Organization: Meta Software Corporation, Cambridge MA Is there a program (public domain or commercial) that will permit me to define macro bindings for certain key strokes? In particular, when running a terminal emulator and running emacs on a remote machine I would like the ALT key to behave like a metakey -- e.g. ALT-x maps onto ESC x. Thanks. Andy Adler andya%metasoft@bbn.com Meta  Software Corporation, 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Cambridge MA 02140 617-576-6920 -- Andy Adler andya%metasoft@bbn.com Meta Software Corporation, 150 Cambridge Park Drive, Cambridge MA 02140 617-576-6920 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: scotth@harlie.sgi.com (Scott Henry) Subject: Re: Keyboard macro/mapping program. Message-ID: Date: 9 Mar 89 08:21:12 GMT Organization: S pilicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA IN-REPLY-TO: andya@metasoft.UUCP's message of 8 Mar 89 18:28:52 GMT > Is there a program (public domain or commercial) that will permit me > to define macro bindings for certain key strokes? In particular, when > running a terminal emulator and running emacs on a remote machine I > would like the ALT key to behave like a metakey -- e.g. ALT-x maps > onto ESC x. The terminal program Handshake handles the Alt keys as meta keys (though for some r/Fba`_^]\qponmlkjihg|{zyxwvutsr~}Y !|2160p w* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 160 Today's topics: Re: Logicworks.... (2 msgs) Looking for a 68020 board! Re: Looking for a 68020 board! LUCAS board fix (long)(technical) Re: LUCAS board fix (long)(technical) Mac graphics/ECS/Amiga Graphics Programs Re: Mac graphics/ECS/A&dEDCBA@?>=<;PONMLKJIHGF[ZYXWVUTSRQfedcG:!|2161pc* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 161 Today's topics: Re: Mail-based servers making disk loadable libraries Manx C 4.0 -- is it out yet? Manx updates (was: Re: SDB unable to print floats) Manx 3.6a Bugs Re: Manx 3.6a Bugs (2 msgs) Re: Manx 4.0 is it out ,91$#"! /.-,+*)('&%:9876543210R!| 2162p0s* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 162 Today's topics: Re: Memory Fragmentation, looking for compaction memory problems on a A500 Re: Micro Forge Harddrive MINDSHADOW - Help! missing page in amiga tech. ref. man. missing page in amiga 500/2000 technical ref. man. ./S     V!| `2163pR@* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 163 Today's topics: Re: More 1.4 whishes (7 msgs) Re: More 1.4 whishes (and sw-installation procedure) (2 msgs) Re: more 1.4 wishes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: deven@pawl.rpi.edu (Deven Co+LQ1!| r2164p2* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 164 Today's topics: Re: more 1.4 wishes (5 msgs) Motherboard # Mount vs. SupraMount (Oh no, not again...) Re: Mount vs. SupraMount (Oh no, not again...) (2 msgs) moving products to the root Re: moving products to the root Re: MS-DOS <= / N    Y!}2165p  ջ* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 165 Today's topics: Re: multitasking on wallstreet (5 msgs) My disk crashing problem NAPLPS NETHACK Re: New Amiga Rom Kernel Manual now ava New demo available from xanth: ``WaveSailing with AmiVision'' --------------------------------------  1-------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: steve@morgoth.UUCP (Steve Hall) Subject: Re: multitasking on wallstreet Message-ID: <503@morgoth.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 89 17:09:54 GMT Organization: Goldberg-Zoino and Assoc., Newton, MA Summary: Problems from lack of RAM parity? In article 26822, duncan@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Shan D Duncan) writes: > Wall St. money rides on PC's > and > It's real time on Wall Street > [stuff   rvdeleted] > > Now the questions. Is there anything a PC with windows can do in this > area that the amiga can not (probably cheaper and better) EXCEPT for > the non Fortune 1000 image? Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I very well could be :-), but I thought that there was an inherent problem using non-parity protected RAM for doing lots of meticulous financial record keeping. Something about the contents changing... Mind you, I heard this through someone else and I could be wa ȿ_y off base. On a related note, if this _is_ a problem, which RAM expansion cards come with parity chips? I know the Starboard II has optional parity chips, but do any other manufacturers also have this? -= Steve =- -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- LIVE: Steve Hall (617)969-0050 | Disclaimer: If ARPA: adelie!morgoth!steve@harvard.HARVARD.EDU  ͞| confronted, I'll deny UUCP: harvard|ll-xn|mirror|axiom!adelie!morgoth!steve | I ever said anything. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks) Subject: Re: multitasking on wallstreet Message-ID: <32244@auc.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 89 04:21:38 GMT Organization: Atlanta University Center, Atlanta, Ga. Reply-To: rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks) Keywords: IBM PC RAM parity Summary: IBM PC parity chec ]0king isn't so great. In article <503@morgoth.UUCP> steve@morgoth.UUCP (Steve Hall) writes: >In article 26822, duncan@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Shan D Duncan) writes: >> Wall St. money rides on PC's >> and >> It's real time on Wall Street >> >[stuff deleted] >> >> Now the questions. Is there anything a PC with windows can do in this >> area that the amiga can not (probably cheaper and better) EXCEPT for >> the non Fortune 1000 image? > >Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I very well coul Yd be :-), but I >thought that there was an inherent problem using non-parity protected >RAM for doing lots of meticulous financial record keeping. Something >about the contents changing... > >Mind you, I heard this through someone else and I could be way off >base. Actually, I think that you may be. Parity checking on the IBM PC has a MAJOR problem. Say the system finds a parity error. What does it do; how does it recover? Recover, what does recover mean? If a parity error is f $Wxound, the system puts up an error message: PARITY ERROR in large, 40-column text, up at the top left of the screen, AND LOCKS up. Great for real-time systems on Wall Street, huh? Also, from what I've heard, Parity Errors on personal computer RAM chips are EXTREMELY rare. IBM's "solution" seems to just make the problem worse. I'm no expert on the matter, so I may, of course, be wrong (and I KNOW someone will tell me if I am...). Maybe there's some system call to catch it and stop if >0 from crashing ... nahhh! If that were the case, why didn't they give you some way of recovering, in their own, elegant, MSDOS style? :-) Memory Parity Error. Abort, Retry, or Ignore? There are some companies that offer error-checking and correction boards. Of course, the problem here is that the main system memory will still be just parity checked, without correction or recovery. Of course, what's to stop people from making memory error checking / recovery boards for the Amiga? I n fact, I remember seeing some advertised awhile back. > On a related note, if this _is_ a problem, which RAM expansion >cards come with parity chips? I know the Starboard II has optional >parity chips, but do any other manufacturers also have this? Actually, I've heard the following opinion from someone: Since the PC has so many extra RAM chips for parity checking (12.5% extra), the extra RAM chips INCREASE the possibility of parity errors, and, since not all parity errors w `:ill be detected (what if 2 bits per [9-bit] byte change? or any even number of bits?), the extra chips for parity detection aren't worth it, and may even make the system less reliable. > -= Steve =- "We may have come over here in different ships, but we're all in the same boat now." -- Jesse Jackson Rodney Ricks, Atlanta University Center Computation Center -- "We may have come over here in different ships, but we're all i(xponmlkj~}|{zyxwvuK!}2166poc* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 166 Today's topics: Re: New demo available from xanth: ``WaveSailing with AmiVision'' Re: New Serial Port Board (Less Expensive) (3 msgs) New Virus Open note to Allan Bland (mab) ordering from CATS Re: ordering from CATS (2 msgs) Outputtin(aJ*)(! menu1͡T* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 144 Today's topics: Apple //GS, words from their world Re: Apple //GS, words from their world (5 msgs) Re: Appletalk Are the amiga binaries arend sources working ? Re: arp CD command change??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RelayR-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: karl@sugar.hackercorp.com (Karl Lehenbauer) Subject: Apple //GS, words from their world Message-ID: <3584@sugar.hackercorp.com> Date: 5 Mar 89 23:12:14 GMT Organization: Sugar Land Unix - Houston Remember the Apple //GS? The "Amiga killer?" Well, those who take a guilty pleasure in hearing the complaints of the users of competing machines may enjoy some of the following remarks, excerpted from comp.sys.apple: From: joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) I get the same moire effect on my Monitor and I checked both my friends machine and the one at my dealer, they all do it. Grin and bear it I guess. From: David I Seah I'm on AppleLink PE, and there are generally a lot of pissed off GS owners on the service. They aren't quiet either. ....AppleWorks GS. I have played with it but briefly, and was impressed with (1) its load timVe (2) its sluggishness. If programs such as MultiScribe GS are called "unfit for documents longer than a couple of pages" by Apple magazines (that usually gush all over the place), then AWGS might share the same characteristics. Origin unknown: Incindentally, the companies killing the machine from the software support standpoint are as follows (These are the ones I have verified, there were more at the meeting): Electronic Arts (5 more games and then their though), Epyx (12 games l4oXayed out, all killed) and Cinemaware (2 more to come then it dies). From: SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) The Atari-ST and Amiga may hang in for awhile, but I suspect the reported phenomenon is more a case of the days of a general purpose computer being the game machine of choice have simply passed. [Ha!] From: krazy@claris.com (Jeff Erickson) The problem with David's statement is that GS/OS occasionally does some of the stupid things he describes, or at least seems to. Durging development of the most recent project I worked on, GS/OS caused the death of my hard drive on about seven different occasions, over the space of three months. I have the drivers/FSTs installed correctly. Other people working on the same project who stuck with P16 did not have the problems I did. .... The Mac OS ejects disks; there isn't any reason Apple couldn't do the same thing with GS/OS. And as far as I know, there is no GS/OS call to eject the disk. I know the Finder does it; that was a hack that Dan Oliver (the original author) put in. .... Apple pushed GS/OS out before it was ready; likewise with the set of tools (System 4.0) that go with it. The support from within Apple for the development (if not the survival) of the IIgs has been, in my personal opinion, abysmal (sp?). The system is buggy. VERY buggy. After having worked on the machine for two and a half years (I started with an Apple II Gumby at StyleWare), I honestly can't say that I expeq(&ct things to get better. My personal advice regarding the Apple IIgs is this: if you NEED an Apple II, by a IIc+. Otherwise, BUY A MAC!! From: CHEESEBALL%ALBION.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Lord knows that fools come in many shapes and forms, and that there are many around this land of ours, but I never thought I'd see the day where I WOULD SAY THIS: Apple made a sucker out of me! I've had my GS for 2 years and 2 months and I've yet to get much out of it! ....and as a game ma *!n%$#"! 210/.-,+*)(=<;:9876543?HGFEDCBA@!OK! Z2145p @]1P* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 145 Today's topics: Re: arp CD command change??? assemblers & cross-assemblers Assemnbly help needed Re: Assemnbly help needed (2 msgs) Re: Auto-manu-config for old design memory expansion boards availability of SLAC AREXX stuff (was "Re: Jerry declares . . . ") ")#z     '&#L! y2146p"&c2a* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 146 Today's topics: A2000/Bridgeboard problems. Re: A2000/Bridgeboard problems. A500 expansion? A501 clock problems (again, arggghhh...) Bad Jokes Re: BADGE Killer Demo Contest (long) (3 msgs) bills bus expander?$%%̢4%F!2147p$_M* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 147 Today's topics: Re: BROKEN FISH ALPHALIST (3 msgs) Bug in script files with embedded tabs... B2000 <> B1000 and memory problems? C. Itoh ProWriter driver Re: C. Itoh ProWriter driver (2 msgs) c/EVAL for loop counting Re: c/EV&)'̐+'M !2153p&~* This file originates from list AMIGA-D at FINTUVM * Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest Tuesday, March 14, 1989 Volume 2 : Issue 153 Today's topics: DNET source help Dpaint fonts... Re: Dpaint fonts... DPaint III Upgrade. Re: DPaint III Upgrade. 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SUPRAMOUNT / MOVING PRODUCTS TO THE ROOT / MS-DOS <=> AMIGA CONVERSION TOOLS? / MULTITASKING ON WALLSTREET F6 = 2165 MULTITASKING ON WALLSTREET / MY DISK CRASHING PROBLEM / NAPLPS / NETHACK / NEW AMIGA ROM KERNEL MANUAL NOW AVA / NEW DEMO AVAILABLE FROM XANTH F7 = 2166 NEW DEMO AVAILABLE FROM XANTH: ``WAVESAILING WITH AMIVISION'' /t߯------------------------ TEXTFILE TOPICS -------- ------ F1 = 2139 AMIGA KEYBOARDS / AMIGA PORTABLES WAS.RE: DEATH OF THE 1000 / AMIGA 1000 POWER SUPPLY / AMIGA 2500UX F2 = 2140 AMIGA 2500UX / AMIGASPICE SOURCE CODE? / ANOTHER MINOR WINDOW HACK F3 = 2141 ANOTHER MINOR WINDOW HACK / ANY MAILSERVERS PLEASE? / NEW INFO ON 2090A / ARP.LIBRARY / ASDG MINIRACK C COMPATIBLE HD CONTROLLER / ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE BOOKS / AT THE MAGIC MILLION MARK / ATALK III F4 = 2142 ATALK III F5 = 21&&m: <12233@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Date: 10 Mar 89 19:41:34 GMT Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Reply-To: hpchang@rose.waterloo.edu (Hsi P. Chang) Keywords: F-16 Falcon Second Disk Drive DF1: In article raw@mcnc.org (Russell Williams) writes: > I just purchased f-16 and I have two immediate problems with it. >1) It won't work with the second drive! I have an amiga 1000 with a second >drive attached, and it won't go to the code word if the second drive is connected. &'f& How do A2000 owners get around this? A ren't their drives internallyconnected? That isn't the problem. You probably only have 512K RAM. Although it does not mention it in the manual, Falcon requires all the memory it can get. With the attachment of the second drive, it cannot acquire enough memory for running. >2) Finding the damn buildings for the milk run is difficult. Sometimes I find >them, other times I'm trying to come about to a new course being recommended by >the base.&(oh Any course change requires a huge horizontal tilt. Uhg... Have you tried the AutoPilot option ? It works for me. > So far, this F-18 Interceptor definitely blows this away. It may have >limited missions, but the whole execution of FLYING feels a lot better. All depends on what you think Flying should be. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- hpchang@rose.waterloo.edu,cdn Hsi P. Chang hpchang@rose.uwaterloo.ca &)'6 3B Computer Science, Co-op. uunet!watmath!rose!hpchang University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** ll the memory it can get. With the attachment of the second drive, it cannot acquire enough memory for running. >2) Finding the damn buildings for the milk run is difficult. Sometimes I find >them, other times I'm trying to come about to a new course being recommended by >the base.1TVLess 2109 type s/menu1 12~less 2110 type s/menu1 13~Less 2111 type s/menu1 14~Less 2134 type s/menu1 15~6~16~7~17~8~18~9~19~?~EDCrusaders1Albert S.@($  |x@<8*&" AaSsDdFfGgHhJjKkLl:;:;"'"'(6>.>.?/?/.789 I -PX`ir ,KValSetmap Crusaders1 type s/menu1 Setmap Crusaders2 type s/menu2 Setmap Crusaders3 type s/menu3 Setmap Crusaders4 type s/menu4 Setmap Crusaders5 type s/menu5  ZATBSC @D ALess 2139 type s/menu2 10~Less 2140 type s/menu2 11~,:------------------------ TEXTFILE TOPICS -------- ------ F1 = 2147 BROKEN FISH ALPHALIST / BUG IN SCRIPT FILES WITH EMBEDDED TABS / B2000 <> B1000 AND MEMORY PROBLEMS / C. ITOH PROWRITER DRIVER / C/EVAL FOR LOOP COUNTING F2 = 2148 FAST COMPILERS / FAST FONTS F3 = 2149 FFS / FILTERING THE SOURCE/BINARIES WITHOUT BOTTLENECK / FLOPPY FFS F4 = 2150 FORTH & PROLOG WANTED / FRAME CONTROLLERS FOR A2000 / FRED FISH, PD PROGRAMS F5 = 2151 FRED FISH, PD PROGRAMS / F16 FALCON PROBLEM / G,zAMES THAT MULTITASK / GEMINI SG10 PRINTER DRIVER / GHOSTSCRIPT FOR AMIGA? / GOOD UPGRADE POLICIES / GVP MEM CARD HOLDERS / HANDSHAKE / HARD DRIVE SURVEY F6 = 2152 HARDFRAME 2000 / HARDWARE & GAMES / HELP WITH DATAPRODUCTS PRISM-80 PRINTER / HELP WITH LATTICE 5.0 PROBLEMS / HELP WITH SOFTWARE CRASHING FOR UNKNOWN REASONS / HIGH-SPEED FILE TRANSFER F7 = 2153 DNET SOURCE HELP / DPAINT FONTS / DPAINT III UPGRADE / DRAGONS LAIR / DUNGEON MASTER MAPS NEEDED / DVI -> IFF / EXTE,ȠRNAL EXPANSION RACK FOR A500? / EXTRAS 1.3 PALETTE PROGRAM / F-16 FALCON / F-16 VERSUS DF1: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MENU 3 - MENU 3 - MENU 3 - MENU 3 - MENU 3 - MENU 3 - MENU 3 - MENU 3 - MENU 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS NUMBERS 1-5 ON KEYPAD FOR DIFFERENT MENUS - PRESS NUMBERS 1-5 ON KEYPAD FOR ,wU$DIFFERENT MENUS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OLDERS / HANDSHAKE / HARD DRIVE SURVEY F6 = 2152 HARDFRAME 2000 / HARDWARE & GAMES / HELP WITH DATAPRODUCTS PRISM-80 PRINTER / HELP WITH LATTICE 5.0 PROBLEMS / HELP WITH SOFTWARE CRASHING FOR UNKNOWN REASONS / HIGH-SPEED FILE TRANSFER F7 = 2153 DNET SOURCE HELP / DPAINT FONTS / DPAINT III UPGRADE / DRAGONS LAIR / DUNGEON MASTER MAPS NEEDED / DVI -> IFF / EXTE+b+------------------------ TEXTFILE TOPICS -------- ------ F1 = 2154 F-16 VERSUS DF1: / F-18 INTERCEPTOR QUESTIONS F2 = 2155 F-18 INTERCEPTOR QUESTIONS / FFS ON A 5" FLOPPY DRIVE / FONTS / AMIGA 1000 FOR SALE / FTP OF EXECUTABLES / FTP SITES / GADGETS IN TITLE BAR / GETTING TO USENET FROM INTERNET / GRAPHICS MAGAZINES AND AMIGA / HACK "Z" TO GET 80 COLOUMN TEXT F3 = 2156 HALF-BAKED IDEAS, NEW PROJECTS / HAM TO .GIF / HARD DISK TESTING STUFF / HARD DISKS FOR A2000 / HARD DRIVE &ization: Dept. of Computer Science, Portland State University; Portland OR Reply-To: bartonr@psu-cs.UUCP (Robert Barton) Running the Palette program from the 1.3 Extras disk with a HAM screen at the front causes a Guru #3 and leaves the mouse pointer frozen. Using SRT (thanks Carolyn Scheppner) shows it is bombing out in the middle of OpenWindow() by passing a bogus pointer as FirstGadget. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site&} router.kpo.fi From: 11TSTARK@GALLUA.BITNET (Timothy Stark) Subject: f.ms.uky.edu: Unknown hostname (anonymous ftp for amiga). Message-ID: <8903070516.AA28707@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 7 Mar 89 05:15:00 GMT Help! Did you know any internet address of f.ms.uky.edu? I tried to ftp it but it told me unknown hostname. :( Thanks! -- Tim Stark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Timothy Stark | Bitnet: 11tstark@gallua.bitn&et VMS Gallaudet University | Internet: 11tstark@gallux.gallaudet.edu UNIX P.O. Box 1453 | GEnie: T.STARK1 Washington, DC 20002 | People/Link: OCS130 U.S.A. | QuantumLink: TimS18 Earth | "Gallaudet University is the only university for Solar System | the deaf in the world." Milky Way | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----------------&5=-------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) Subject: Re: f.ms.uky.edu: Unknown hostname (anonymous ftp for amiga). Message-ID: <11200@s.ms.uky.edu> Date: 7 Mar 89 23:30:00 GMT Organization: U of Kentucky, Mathematical Sciences Reply-To: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) In article <8903070516.AA28707@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> 11TSTARK@GALLUA.BITNET (Timothy S& no]tark) writes: >Hello, > > Help! Did you know any internet address of f.ms.uky.edu? I tried to >ftp it but it told me unknown hostname. :( it's [128.163.128.6]. "f" is only known to the nameservers if that helps you in figuring out why it didn't work. If it keeps up send me mail (one of my hats is the nameserver configuration). The archive appears as the exact same files from all our systems. (The wonders of NFS for ya). To get the ftp session to work right you must go to one & pSof our vaxen (b, e, f, g, j) because the binary for 'ls' is the vax version, not the sun or sequent version. Currently the archive directory is on f and it'd be best (hint, hint) if you ftp'd there. I'm not sure if anybody is actively maintaining this archive. -- <-- David Herron; an MMDF guy <-- ska: David le casse\*' rutgers,uunet!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <-- Now I know how Zonker felt when he graduated ... <-- &!RStop! Wait! I didn't mean to! ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mdh@cs.warwick.ac.uk (Mark Holroyd) Subject: F-16 Falcon Message-ID: <1498@ubu.warwick.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 89 10:51:17 GMT Organization: Computer Science, Warwick University, UK Distribution: comp Thankyou all for the helpful comments about Falcon - however it would appear to me that the version you have in America is different to the&"x> version we recieved over here. My version does not ask for a passwd to get into the game, instead it appears to be able to work out whether it is a copy or not (how it does this I do not know and if anyone has any ideas please tell me) before the 2nd disk is accessed. It is a game well worth buying but I do feel that it was rather thoughtless of Spectrum-Holobyte to supply the game in such a way that those of us who have bought and enjoy it cannot make backups so as to prote&#B+&ct our *investment*. By the way has anyone any idea of a bit copier ? Alternatively how would I go about writing one ? Anyway enuf of my inane drivel. Mark. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: raw@mcnc.org (Russell Williams) Subject: F-16 Versus DF1: Message-ID: <4152@alvin.mcnc.org> Date: 9 Mar 89 17:01:12 GMT Organization: Microelectronics Center of NC; RTP, NC Keywords: F-16&$W Falcon Second Disk Drive DF1: I just purchased f-16 and I have two immediate problems with it. 1) It won't work with the second drive! I have an amiga 1000 with a second drive attached, and it won't go to the code word if the second drive is connected. How do A2000 owners get around this? Ar en't their drives internallyconnected? 2) Finding the damn buildings for the milk run is difficult. Sometimes I find them, other times I'm trying to come about to a new course&%6 being recommended by the base. Any course change requires a huge horizontal tilt. So far, this F-18 Interceptor definitely blows this away. It may have limited missions, but the whole execution of FLYING feels a lot better. Russell Williams ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: hpchang@rose.waterloo.edu (Hsi P. Chang) Subject: Re: F-16 Versus DF1: Message-ID&Q---------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: smsst5@cisunx.UUCP (Steve M Suhy) Subject: Re: Dragon's Lair Message-ID: <16524@cisunx.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 89 02:34:16 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Summary: Rapids In article <752@cs-spool.calgary.UUCP>, storbakken@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Steve Storbakken) writes: > > How do you get by the rapids.....????? That one gets me... > > > &C¸ Steve Well, after you get thru the whirlpools, you go to the rapids. In the rapids you go right and up; next screen; up. Then the next sequence left and up; then up. Keep going alternately until you complete it. -Steve ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jonathan@jvc.UUCP (Jonathan Hue) Subject: dumb workbench question Message-ID: <319@jvc.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 89 19:53:11 GMT Org&e6ranization: JVC Laboratory of America I'm trying to convert a program which runs from the CLI to also run from the workbench. It still runs fine from the CLI, but when I run it from the workbench, I keep getting "Software Error - Task Held" when it exits. It works just fine until it returns from main. I am using Lattice 5.0 and compiling with "lc -L filename.c". Even the simple "echo" program from the RKM:Libraries and Devices fails the exact same way as my program, as does the &Ϧ"seeilbm" program I found on FF16. What am I doing wrong? -Jonathan uunet!jvc!jonathan ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bosch@dg.dg.com (Derek Bosch) Subject: Dungeon Master Maps needed Message-ID: <117@dg.dg.com> Date: 7 Mar 89 13:15:54 GMT Organization: Data General, Westboro, MA. Reply-To: bosch@dg.UUCP (Derek Bosch) Has anyone out in uuland completed Dungeon Master? I heard there was a set &( of PD maps done up in IFF format. If anyone knows anything about the maps, or could give me some tips on DM, I would be grateful to get e-mail! Thanks -db-dg- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rsn@ndmath.UUCP (Ross Niebergall) Subject: dvi -> iff Message-ID: <1326@ndmath.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 15:17:05 GMT Organization: Math. Dept., Univ. of Notre Dame Keywords: tex I once saw the source code for a progr&#am that would convert *.dvi files produced by TeX into iff files for viewing on the Amiga. At the time I did not need it so I never took a copy. If anyone knows where I could find the source for this, or better yet the binaries, I would appreciate it if you would let me know. (email please). Thanks, Ross Niebergall rsn@ndmath.uucp Department of Mathematics University of Notre Dame ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kp&Wo.fi From: nkings@marvin.axion.bt.co.uk (Nick @ The End of Time) Subject: External expansion rack for to A500? Message-ID: <1146@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> Date: 27 Feb 89 09:44:54 GMT Reply-To: nkings@axion.bt.co.uk ORGANISATION: RT3123,British Telecom Research Labs,IPSWICH,IP5 7RE,UK I'm about to buy an A500... does anyone know of the existance of an external expansion rack that fits on the external bus? Yes, I know that the B1000 is a better bet for expansion, BUT finances state th&Bh"Jat the A500 would be the one to go for now! Thanks, Nick Kings nkings@axion.bt.co.uk Nick @ The End of Time (0473) 64 4627 (...ukc!axion!nkings) RT3123, BTRL, Martlesham Heath, IP5 7RE "Life is wasted on the living" ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: elg@killer.DALLAS.TX.US (Eric Green) Subject: Re: External expansion rack for to A500? Message-ID: <7378@killer.DALLAS&þw2g.TX.US> Date: 2 Mar 89 04:21:58 GMT Organization: The Unix(R) Connection, Dallas, Texas in article <1146@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>, nkings@marvin.axion.bt.co.uk (Nick @ The End of Time) says: > I'm about to buy an A500... does anyone know of the existance of an > external expansion rack that fits on the external bus? Both Expansion Technologies and Pacific Peripherals sell one. PP's has a slot for a 3 1/2" drive, but raises the computer by 2 inches. ET's is cheaper, but has no space&4 for a drive. ET and PP both advertise regularly in AmigaVoid and Amazing Science Fiction Computing. Does anybody know of another one? It shouldn't be that difficult... looks like ET's is just a board mounted in a 5 1/4" external floppy case (suitably hacked). For that matter, someone mentioned a $100 RAM card kit (blank) from some company... what company, and WHAT IS THEIR PHONE # OR ADDRESS? (infuriates me when someone says "Oh, it's at Ravon's" but doesn't say what a Ravon is). &M -- | // Eric Lee Green P.O. Box 92191, Lafayette, LA 70509 | | // ..!ames,decwrl,mit-eddie,osu-cis!killer!elg (318)989-9849 | | \X/ >> In Hell you need 4Mb to Multitask << | ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bartonr@psu-cs.UUCP (Robert Barton) Subject: Extras 1.3 Palette program Message-ID: <1700@psu-cs.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 89 05:57:37 GMT Organi&z6=/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: BPJ0%LEHIGH.BITNET@ibm1.cc.lehigh.edu (Bin) Subject: Dpaint fonts... Message-ID: <10596@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 10 Mar 89 23:45:31 GMT Hi folks, I was trying to draw circuits on Dpaint and the printout looked real shi**y! The fonts (topaz 8) was too large and jagged. Is there a way to load fonts from other disks from Dpaint? Also I thought Postscript was supposed to get rid of jaggies. But the Dpaint printout (using Iff2PS and CLAZ) show&ǜ \ed a lot of jaggies-meriting the giggles of I*M users....AAaaaaaarrrrrggggggghhhh!) Help someone, BPJ0@Lehigh ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com Subject: Re: Dpaint fonts... Message-ID: <15780@cup.portal.com> Date: 13 Mar 89 08:21:34 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) You were asking about Loading other fonts with DPaint and getting rid of jaggies with PostScrip&ٯt output ..... 1. Loading fonts from other disks This is pretty straightforward if you know how to use CLI. If you have an UNprotected copy of DPaint, copy the ASSIGN command onto the commands (c:) directory. Then either before or after loading DPaint, type ASSIGN FONTS: Mydisk:myfontdirectory e.g., ASSIGN FONTS: Newfonts:font2 You'll have to pull down th&;iCe DPaint screen to type this in the CLI window. If the Workbench doesn't show when you drag the DPaint screen down, select Workbench from the Prefs menu. If there's no CLI window, click the Preferences icon, select CLI ON, close Prefs, click on System icon, click on the CLI icon, then type in the ASSIGN command. 2. Jaggies in PostScript If you print bitmap fonts on a PostScript printer, they wi& M&ll be smoother than on most dot-matrix printers (especially if you select a smoothing algorithm) but they are *still* bitmap fonts which are defined with dots rather than vectors, curves, etc. The vector, or 'structured' (who came up with that odd name, anyway, what makes them any more structured than dots?) fonts in the PostScript format are defined quite differently and loaded as Pos&  NQtScript 'dictionaries'. Hope this info helps, LadyHawke@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: KENNEDAM%WWPS@dupont.com (Tony Kennedy) Subject: DPaint III Upgrade. Message-ID: <10434@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 9 Mar 89 01:31:35 GMT I see that DPaint III is comming out RSN. Is there going to be an upgrade offer f& 5or us owners of DPaint I and II ??? You know, send us the cover of the manual and you first born son and we'll send you the latest and greatest version. Just wondering out loud. >------------------------------------------------------------------------< | | Disclaimer: | | | Tony Kennedy | What I say and what | /// | | Project Engineer | my employer say are | /// AMIGA | | Setpo& 9ۿ0int, Inc. | two different things. | \\\/// The computer | | | So don't get them | \XX/ For the best | | | confused. | of us. | >------------------------------------------------------------------------< | INTERNET : kennedam%wwps%dupont.com@relay.cs.net | >------------------------------------------------------------------------< | A computer can make as many mistakes in 20 se& cw;uconds as 20 men working | | for 20 years. | >------------------------------------------------------------------------< ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: a23@mindlink.UUCP (Joel Murray) Subject: Re: DPaint III Upgrade. Message-ID: <114@mindlink.UUCP> Date: 9 Mar 89 01:47:19 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada You can upgrade your&` DPaint II by sending in four boxtops ... But seriously, folks, to upgrade, send the cover from the DPaint II manual and $57.00 to Electronic Arts Direct Sales P.O. Box 7530 San Mateo, California 94403-7530 // /// Usenet: uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a23 \X/oel ///urray CIS: 73200,3117 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site rou&.(ter.kpo.fi From: scott@applix.UUCP (Scott Evernden) Subject: Re: Dragon's Lair Message-ID: <913@applix.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 89 01:59:32 GMT Organization: APPLiX Inc., Westboro MA Reply-To: scott@applix.UUCP (Scott Evernden) INFO Mag revealed the following this month about Dragon's Lair: PRess: R / L N 7 (six keys) simultaneously during the credits screens. The screen will kind-of flash, and then the game will play thru to completion all by itself in a demo mode. -scott --$Z-Amiga Technical Support 1200 Wilson Drive / West Chester, PA 19380 (215) 431-9180 BIX: aklevin UUCP: ...amiga|rutgers|uunet!cbmvax!adam ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jwright@atanasoff.cs.iastate.edu (Jim Wright) Subject: CALL FOR DISCUSSION -- COMP.VIRUS Message-ID: <871@atanasoff.cs.iastate.edu> Date: 13 Mar 89 15:26:10 GMT Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Iowa State U. C$Ғcomputer Science Department, Ames, IA Reply-To: jwright@atanasoff.cs.iastate.edu (Jim Wright) Currently, there is no place in the Usenet heirarchy devoted to the discussion of, and dissemination of information about, computer viruses. All I have contacted believe this should change. We therefore propose the formation of a new newsgroup: COMP.VIRUS. This newsgroup will be devoted to the discussion of computer viruses. Topics shall include, but not necessarily be limited to, virus p$ Protection software, reports of new viruses, and behavior of viruses. This group will not be specific to any machine or class of machines. However, it is anticipated that the focus will be on microcomputers. The newsgroup comp.virus will be moderated. This will be done not to limit distribution of information, but rather to limit the number of inappropriate postings. Unfortunately, the experience of the coordinators for the virus-l mailing list has shown this to be necessary. Cu$!Ը2rrent plans call for this newsgroup to be gatewayed with the virus-l mailing list. We intend to maintain an archive for the newsgroup. Also, we have a European coordinator for the group to handle European specific information (conferences, archive sites, etc.). This posting on March 13, 1989 initiates the mandatory 2 week discussion period. After that votes will be taken. [ PLEASE DIRECT ALL FOLLOW-UPS TO NEWS.GROUPS. ] [ This posting has been sent with a$"' wide cross-posting in order ] [ to (hopefully) reach most of the interested individuals on the net. ] [ If you don't know how to redirect your follow-up, please find ] [ out before posting. ] -- Jim Wright jwright@atanasoff.cs.iastate.edu ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: smithey@esosun.UUCP (Brian Smithey) Subject: Re: CATS Support Mater$#C#ials 01/89 Message-ID: <332@sjofn.esosun.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 89 20:35:22 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga Organization: Science Applications International Corp, San Diego Reply-To: smithey@sjofn.css.gov.UUCP (Brian Smithey) Distribution: comp Keywords: CATS Orders Software Toolkit Summary: What's the "Software Toolkit"? Carolyn's original appeared in .tech, I'm steering Followup's to c.s.a: In article <6139@cbmvax.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) writes: > >>>>>$$Q>>>>>>>> CATS AMIGA DEVELOPER SUPPORT MATERIALS <<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > ITEM NAME VERSION PRICES > ========= ======= ====== > > Amiga Software Toolkit > (Wack and other utilities) 09/88 $25 (US) > Can anyone tell me what some of these other utilities are? I seem to remember a README on the 1.2 Extras disk mentioning that some of the Extras were from the "maybe to be r$%z^Leleased someday" Software Toolkit. I'm thinking of ordering this, but not if much of it is duplicated on the Extras disk. Thanks, Brian -- Brian Smithey / SAIC, Geophysics Division / San Diego CA uucp: uunet!seismo!esosun!smithey Internet: smithey%esosun.css.gov@seismo.css.gov ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** up's to c.s.a: In article <6139@cbmvax.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner CATS) writes: > >>>>>&j Dungeon Master Maps needed dvi -> iff External expansion rack for to A500? Re: External expansion rack for to A500? Extras 1.3 Palette program f.ms.uky.edu: Unknown hostname (anonymous ftp for amiga). Re: f.ms.uky.edu: Unknown hostname (anonymous ftp for amiga). F-16 Falcon F-16 Versus DF1: Re: F-16 Versus DF1:&  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tba@sirius.UUCP (Todd Aubin) Subject: DNET source help Message-ID: <567@sirius.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 89 16:34:16 GMT Organization: Northern Telecom, NSSD, Concord, NH. (Please excuse this posting if you are reading it for the second time. I don't think my first posting made it to the net.) Does anyone know where I can get the &ŎO -source code/binary for my Amy. It is an Amiga-1000 with 2.5 Mbytes of Ram and one floppy. I want to communicate with a Sun which is running SunOS 3.5. Once that is working I want to port the Sun side to SunOS 4.0. Thanks, todd aubin There are two addresses for me: ...!dartvax!sirius!tba or ...!sun!sunne!sirius!tba -- Todd Aubin @ Northern Telecom ..!dartvax!sirius!tba ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01$(rinters that you do support, but could you pretty please consider adding it to the list. I bet it is the most common *unsupported* printer out there. I would be delighted to send you a copy of the technical docs. It is a pretty straightforward printer, and I doubt that you would run into any humongous diffuculties. Please think about it . lee ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From:$ݣ3 andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) Subject: Re: C. Itoh ProWriter driver Message-ID: <6164@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 89 16:56:09 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) In article <74412UH2@PSUVM> UH2@PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) writes: > >Earth to Commodore... Yes, Cadet ? > >About once per month, someone requests a C. Itoh/ Nec 8023a printer driver. >I know it isn't as popular as the printers that you do support, but could >yo$ޚLEu pretty please consider adding it to the list. I bet it is the most >common *unsupported* printer out there. > >I would be delighted to send you a copy of the technical docs. It is >a pretty straightforward printer, and I doubt that you would run into >any humongous diffuculties. Supporting a new printer driver is more than just coding it; it means supporting it, from release to release. It's also not very likely to work out well unless we had the printer in house. Technical doc$/xDs rarely tell the full story. But, wait, here's an idea... We've published a fair amount of info on how to write a printer driver, even given out source code to some of our drivers. There must have been a reason for it... Why not take a crack at writing the driver yourself ? You have the printer, and the motivation. >Please think about it . You too. > lee -- andy finkel uunet|rutgers|amiga!cbmvax!andy Commodore-Amiga, Inc. "Question of$] the Day : When will we get a device independent graphics standard that is fast enough to actually be useful ?" Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ISCOVE%UTOROCI.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu Subject: c/EVAL for loop counting Message-ID: <10437@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 9 Mar 89 01:39:$/T}16 GMT The Enhancer 1.3 manual p 2-12 gives the following example for use of "c/EVAL" to count loops in a script: .key loop/a .bra .ket echo >env:loop loop lab start echo "Loop #" noline type env:loop eval NIL: to=t:qwe$$ value2=1 op=-? type >env:loop t:qwe$$ IF val $loop GT 0 skip start back endif echo "done" In practice, the example fails when eval is called. ram:env/loop was correctly set up beforehand, $8 and ENV: assigned as RAM:ENV. eval setenv loop 5 > type env:loop ; correctly returns 5 > eval Date: 9 Mar 89 16:04:24 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: adam@cbmvax.UUCP (Adam Levin CATS) In article <10437@louie.udel.EDU> ISCOVE%UTOROCI.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu writes: >The Enhancer 1.3 manual p 2-12 gives the following example >for use of "c/EVAL" to count loops in a script: (All of script deleted except for offending line) > eval NIL: to=$_t:qwe$$ value2=1 op=-? > >In practice, the example fails when eval is called. ram:env/loop was >correctly set up beforehand, and ENV: assigned as RAM:ENV. There needs to be a space between the minus sign (-) and the question mark (?). It is hard to judge it in the line as printed, but the space is there. >eval the Shell along with numerous permutations: > >> setenv loop 5 >> type env:loop ; correctly $Q8ereturns 5 >> eval >Can anyone help with the proper syntax here? >Commodore? Use eval NIL: to=* op=+ 2 ? The question mark, usually used to get the template of the command, is being used here to make the command get its arguments from standard input. Usually standard input will be the console the command is typed in on, but because of the NIL: redirection is used to avoid displaying the template which the question mark invoked. However, this means that the result of the command also gets sent to NIL:. The "to=*" argument causes the results of the command to be sent to "*" the console device the command was typed in on. See how easy computers make things? > >Norman Iscove ISCOVE@UTOROCI.bitnet Adam -- Adam Keith Levin -- CATS Commodore$xs that are short. Then uudecode will process it and zoo will be happy. Works for me! -- Joe Smith (408)922-6220 | jms@antares.Tymnet.COM or jms@opus.Tymnet.COM McDonnell Douglas FSCO | UUCP: ...!ames,pyramid!oliveb!tymix!antares!jms PO Box 49019, MS-D21 | PDP-10:JMS@F74.Tymnet.COM CA license plate:"POPJ P," San Jose, CA 95161-9019 | narrator.device: "I didn't say that, my Amiga did!" ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site$ n router.kpo.fi From: jmsc@inesc.UUCP (Miguel Casteleiro) Subject: Re: BROKEN FISH ALPHALIST Message-ID: <670@inesc.UUCP> Date: 4 Mar 89 00:57:45 GMT Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL. In article <10028@louie.udel.EDU>, jwhitman@st-louis-emh2.army.mil (Jerry Whitman) writes: > Last week Russ Forster kindly posted the latest version of FishLibDis > Alphabetic Listing. [...] > To wit....HHHHEEEEELLLLPPPPP!!!!!! What is broken? The origin$ {al posting, > my copy, or my approach?? I think the original posting is broken, I coulnd't uudecode it too. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: svermeulen@Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA (Steve Vermeulen) Subject: Bug in script files with embedded tabs... Message-ID: <890302091525.0b5@Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA> Date: 2 Mar 89 16:15:14 GMT To All and Sundried... A fellow AMUCker has found a problem with tabs in script fil$ &es under 1.3. The following script (which has a tab just after the second else statement) demonstrates the problem. Because things are going to get messed up in transmission a UUEncoded version of the script appears below as well. ------------------------- The script ---------------------------- Echo "execute this twice, anwsering YES one time and NO the other" Echo "to see the bug with the If Else Endif logic" Ask "pick yes or no" If WARN Echo "you picked yes" Else ; good els$ R#e comment Echo "you picked no" Endif Ask "pick same as last time" If WARN Echo "you picked yes" Else ; bad else comment Echo "you picked no" Endif ------------------- The UUEncoded Script --------------------- begin 777 bad-if-script M16-H;R`B97AE8W5T92!T:&ES('1W:6-E+"!A;G=S97)I;F<@6453(&]N92!TI M:6UE(&%N9"!.3R!T:&4@;W1H97(B"D5C:&\@(G1O('-E92!T:&4@8G5G('=I: M=&@@=&AE($EF($5L6]U('!I8VME9"!N;R(*16YD:68*` M07-K(")P:6-K('-A;64@87,@;&%S="!T:6UE(@I)9B!705)."B`@16-H;R`BC M>6]U('!I8VME9"!Y97,B"D5L6]U('!I8VME9"!N;R(*16YD:68*W `` end ------------------------- The End ---------------------------- Stephen Vermeulen Author: Express Paint and Spritz Newsletter Editor of AMUC (the AMiga Users of Calgary) SVermeulen % Janus.MtRoyal.AB.CA @ UncaNet.BITnet ...or... SVermeulen % Janu$s.MRC.AdhocNet.CA @ UncaEdu.BITnet ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: nkings@marvin.axion.bt.co.uk (Nick @ The End of Time) Subject: B2000 <> B1000 and memory problems? Message-ID: <1147@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> Date: 27 Feb 89 13:04:32 GMT Reply-To: nkings@axion.bt.co.uk ORGANISATION: RT3123,British Telecom Research Labs,IPSWICH,IP5 7RE,UK I should have said "B2000" instead of "B1000" in my previous article$u. Question: Has anyone had problems by using expansion memory? I heard that some programs have to be forced to live in 512K (by removing the additional memory :]) because of stack (?) errors. Nick Kings nkings@axion.bt.co.uk Nick @ The End of Time (0473) 64 4627 (...ukc!axion!nkings) RT3123, BTRL, Martlesham Heath, IP5 7RE "Life is wasted on the living" ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; si$ te router.kpo.fi From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) Subject: C. Itoh ProWriter driver Message-ID: <0301.AA0301@caleb> Date: 3 Mar 89 14:41:27 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga Organization: is sometimes desirable Hello, I have a C. Itoh ProWriter printer (aka Apple DMP, NEC 8023A?, etc.) Now that I've upgraded to 1.3 Dos, I need a new printer driver. Does anyone out there have one? (I saw one posted to the net recently, but when I unshared it, it did not work. Did it work for an$X:yone else?) If you have one, please Email me a copy. Thank you, -- Jim Pritchett UUCP: killer!gtmvax!dms3b1!caleb!jdp ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: UH2@PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) Subject: Re: C. Itoh ProWriter driver Message-ID: <74412UH2@PSUVM> Date: 6 Mar 89 15:36:10 GMT Organizatio$ۘnPn: Penn State Erie, Behrend College In article <0301.AA0301@caleb>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) says: > >Hello, > I have a C. Itoh ProWriter printer (aka Apple DMP, NEC 8023A?, etc.) >Now that I've upgraded to 1.3 Dos, I need a new printer driver. Does anyone >out there have one? (I saw one posted to the net recently, but when I unshared Earth to Commodore... About once per month, someone requests a C. Itoh/ Nec 8023a printer driver. I know it isn't as popular as the p"%G.kpo.fi From: jwhitman@st-louis-emh2.army.mil (Jerry Whitman) Subject: BROKEN FISH ALPHALIST Message-ID: <10028@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 2 Mar 89 15:46:17 GMT Last week Russ Forster kindly posted the latest version of FishLibDis Alphabetic Listing. Since then I have been pulling out what little hair I have remaining. I have come to the conclusion that either.... a. I do not know what I am doing. b. I am doing it incorrectly c. My copy is broken d. All of the above Unfor"&xCtunately Russ did not specify how the listing was packaged, so I made some semi(?) intelligent guesses. The first line was 'BEGIN 750 ff.zoo' so I thought it was probably ZOOed then UUENCODed. UUDECODE did not argue with that idea, but it did say the file was short, and reduced my 30K file to 5K. Immediately my deductive mind realized 'There may be a problem here'! Undaunted, I pressed forward and gave the results to ZOO. ZOO began to do its thing, turned pale and threw up a cor"'ZJe dump. Hmm, things are looking dire Watson. Next I stripped off the text from the original message and tried to run that thru UUDECODE with the same result as the previous execution of UUDECODE (as it should be). Moving onward in the face of insurmountable opportunites I decided to give ZOO another crack at it. I fed it a copy of the stripped out versio. ZOO said "This archive is corrupted, get it out of here"! A UNIX Guru (also an AMIGA owner) and I tried several different at"(1g*tacks. They were all repelled with similar disastrous results. My first thought was that the posting was broken, but I watched the mail and no one else seemed to be wounded. That began to cast a shadow upon my technical prowess. ( I know, it would be a short shadow 8^) ) To wit....HHHHEEEEELLLLPPPPP!!!!!! What is broken? The original posting, my copy, or my approach?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. There is a group of us here very interested in getting this listing. T")`phanks in advance for the fine support this body has become know for. Regards, Jerry ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** ecution of UUDECODE (as it should be). Moving onward in the face of insurmountable opportunites I decided to give ZOO another crack at it. I fed it a copy of the stripped out versio. ZOO said "This archive is corrupted, get it out of here"! A UNIX Guru (also an AMIGA owner) and I tried several different at$1vt posting came via BITNET. BITNET has this nasty habit of padding out each line with blanks (as in 80-character card images) and then deleting trailing blanks when the mail is delivered. Including deleting blanks from lines that are supposed to have them. Unfortunatly, Russ used an ancient version of uuencode; the newer versions use ` instead of blank to avoid this problem. Therefore, to fix it, all you have to do is make sure every line is the same length. Add blanks to the line$k]~lAL for loop counting CALL FOR DISCUSSION -- COMP.VIRUS Re: CATS Support Materials 01/89 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: grwalter@watmath.waterloo.edu (Fred Walter) Subject: Re: BROKEN FISH ALPHALIST Message-ID: <23982@watmath.waterloo.edu> Date: 3 Mar 89 01:09:21 GMT Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Reply-To: grwalter@watmat$Vkh.waterloo.edu (Fred Walter) In article <10028@louie.udel.EDU> jwhitman@st-louis-emh2.army.mil (Jerry Whitman) writes: >Last week Russ Forster kindly posted the latest version of FishLibDis >Alphabetic Listing. Since then I have been pulling out what little hair >I have remaining. I have come to the conclusion that either.... > a. I do not know what I am doing. > b. I am doing it incorrectly > c. My copy is broken The uuencoded file had trailing spaces stripped off the ends$? of lines. Some uudecodes will detect a 'short' line and just assume the missing characters should have been spaces. Yours probably doesn't (mine didn't; sigh), so go through the file and add spaces to the ends of lines that have the spaces missing, until they are the same length as the other lines. Then it should uudecode properly. fred ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jms@antares.UUCP (Joe Smith$) Subject: Re: BROKEN FISH ALPHALIST Message-ID: <414@antares.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 89 07:39:13 GMT Organization: Tymnet QSATS, San Jose CA Reply-To: jms@antares.UUCP (Joe Smith) Summary: Add trailing blanks before uudecoding In article <10028@louie.udel.EDU> jwhitman@st-louis-emh2.army.mil (Jerry Whitman) writes: >Last week Russ Forster kindly posted the latest version of FishLibDis >Alphabetic Listing. Since then I have been pulling out what little hair >I have remaining. I have co$dme to the conclusion that either.... > a. I do not know what I am doing. > b. I am doing it incorrectly > c. My copy is broken > d. All of the above The answer is "c" >Unfortunately Russ did not specify how the listing was packaged, so I made >some semi(?) intelligent guesses. The first line was 'BEGIN 750 ff.zoo' >so I thought it was probably ZOOed then UUENCODed. UUDECODE did not argue >with that idea, but it did say the file was short, and reduced my 30K file Tha"magazines) were sold due to that demo mode. The Demonstrator is general purpose enough that it could be included with any piece of software to show off the product's highlights without any attendance by a salesman... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Buce (8> | Can you say 192 Meg of RAM? (Only 24K of CHIP though) ....ucbvax!pixar!gbuce | Can you say 48 bitplanes? (How about $29,500?) ----------------------------------"Q--------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I used to work for AMnews, but I found a company with bigger and better toys. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: c152-cb@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Vince Lee) Subject: Re: BADGE Killer Demo Contest (long) Message-ID: <10651@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 3 Mar 89 19:26:18 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Reply-To: c152-cb@cory."倳rBerkeley.EDU.UUCP (Vince Lee) In article <88@mindlink.UUCP> a3@mindlink.UUCP (Dave Allen) writes: >I happen to agree with Lee. >> >>> In article <72810UH2@PSUVM> UH2@PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) writes: >>> ->(no flames, please---he's the only dealer). My notion is that >>> ->instead of running JUGGLER in the front window of his store, he could >>> ->run some sort of productivity software demo. >> BADGE should have as little to do with anything smelling of commercialism >> as possibl"Ʒe. >What is the biggest complaint about CBM heard all over the world? The AMIGA is >not a business computer. Business = productivity, yes, no? >Perhaps if you saw some demos running in the store window that took advantage >of the productivity products out there, there might be more acceptance and >understanding of a machine that does a far better job that ANY single tasking >machine, as a potential business computer. The point is that this should be CBM's responsibility, not BADGE'"5 s. BADGE is a strictly non-commercial organization consisting of hackers, not business and sales types. I, for one, would rather keep it that way. The BKDC should remain a forum for programmers to show real neat stuff, with a side benefit that the programs may spur some Amiga sales. I would hate to see it turn into a merchandising show for venders to show off the latest whiz bang version of their newest database program (YAWN!). It is already in a companies' interests to make ru" u'nning demos of their programs. I don't think awarding prizes for this is necessary or appropriate. -Vince Lee ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: iwm@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Moor) Subject: bills bus expander? Message-ID: Date: 2 Mar 89 19:41:33 GMT Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, London POSTING-FRONT-E: GNU Emacs 18.47.2 of Wed Sep 16 1987 on ivax (berk" >eley-unix) Does anybody know what has happened to the Bus-Expander from Bill's boards ? I phoned Compusave who said that `they no longer handle that item'. (Its a card that gives an A500 IBM and ZorroII slots I think). -- Ian W Moor UUCP: uunet!mcvax!ukc!icdoc!iwm ARPA: iwm@doc.ic.ac.uk JANET: iwm@uk.ac.ic.doc Department of Computing We don't need no documentation, Imperial College. We don't need no source control, 180 Queensgate No dark sarcasm in th"!JRe boardroom, London SW7 UK. Manager! leave those programmers alone! ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: denbeste@bbn.com (Steven Den Beste) Subject: Bitnet mailer explosion [Yet again] Message-ID: <36633@bbn.COM> Date: 1 Mar 89 21:50:22 GMT Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA Reply-To: denbeste@BBN.COM (Steven Den Beste) Bitnet is having a mailer explosion YET AGAIN, and so "" ewe're getting multiple postings YET AGAIN. I've sent letters to cunyvm and udel in hopes of getting their attention. In the meantime, please be assured that the demigods on Bitnet DO NOT READ this group, and thus if you post flames about it, they assuredly won't be read. Steven C. Den Beste, BBN Communications Corp., Cambridge MA denbeste@bbn.com(ARPA/CSNET/UUCP) harvard!bbn.com!denbeste(UUCP) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7"#; site router.kpo.fi From: sirius@cup.portal.com (Mike Sirius Stilson) Subject: Re: Boot priority [Re: Hardframe experiences] Message-ID: <15278@cup.portal.com> Date: 2 Mar 89 18:29:51 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) (Just a little away from the subject of Hardframe...) I set up RAD: with a BootPri of 127, so it will always boot my HD even if a DOS disk in df0:. What I noticed though, is that AmigaDOS reads the DF0: information Boots from RAD: then re-reads df0: And create"$0 s another entry for it. (ie, when I type 'Info' I get two DF0: entries. One (the first one done before booting from rad) doesn't update anything (doesn't notice diskchanges, even if I 'diskchange df0:') The second one works fine. Just a little half-wierdness I thought I'd mention. Mike 'Sirius' Stilson Sirius Software sirius@well.UUCP or ...portal!cup.portal.com!sirius ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router"a:Nime my clock goes wild, and I'm afraid not the last one. I must find a way to reset it without disconnecting the battery!!! To Andy Finkel ( If you happen to read this) : Last time my clock crashed, you posted an article mentioning the missing 'reset' option in the 1.3 setclock. can you please post a simple routine to reset the clock??? Udi finkel@taurus.BITNET ....!ucbvax!finkel@taurus.BITNET ....!psuvax1!taurus.bitnet!finkel ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS New" _s - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: 8642420@wwu.edu (eric cosky) Subject: Bad Jokes Message-ID: <10348@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 8 Mar 89 00:34:21 GMT | I found this in the jokes section of the news..and thought that it | might appeal to all non-amiga users (That should be an awful lot of users) [..urp] | In the spirit of the very successful Lada jokes, how about a few Amiga jokes? | Here's some to start with: [..more eaten] | What's worse than having to program an" 4 IBM PC and fuck a pig? | Having to program an Amiga and fuck a pig. It's certainly nice to know that some of those that don't have Amiga's are so witty; the creativity shown by those jokes makes me want to start getting THAT newsgroup too. Yow. -eric cosky InterNet: 8642420@wwu.edu ATT: 206-733-1331 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: a3@mindlink.UUCP (Dave Allen) Subject: Re: BADGE Killer Demo Co" \a8ntest (long) Message-ID: <88@mindlink.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 89 20:39:26 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada I happen to agree with Lee. > >> In article <72810UH2@PSUVM> UH2@PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) writes: >> ->(no flames, please---he's the only dealer). My notion is that >> ->instead of running JUGGLER in the front window of his store, he could >> ->run some sort of productivity software demo. > BADGE should have as little to do with anything smelling of commerci" 7?alism > as possible. > > -- > -+= SAM =+- > "the best things in life are free" > > ARPA: paolucci@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov l What is the biggest complaint about CBM heard all over the world? The AMIGA is not a business computer. Business = productivity, yes, no? Perhaps if you saw some demos running in the store window that took advantage of the productivity products out there, there might be more acceptance and unde" Srstanding of a machine that does a far better job that ANY single tasking machine, as a potential business computer. We have been using AMIGAs since we started and it is obvious from the systems I have helped to set up (from A500 to A2000) that the AMIGA can be made to truley shine in a work environment. I really don't want people to think of the AMIGA as ONLY a fancey graphics and animation computer (read: games machine) even though for the buck it does a better job in those catagor"\|ies. Lets see some demos of multiple worksheets, with files downloading from BBSs and word precessors printing letters, etc.... BTW, if the best things in life are free, who bought you your AMIGA? -- RSI-where WEDGES come from // Multi-Tasking is my life! 9651 Alexandra Road // Name: Dave Allen Richmond, B.C. Canada \\ // Phone: (604) 278-6694 - MIND LINK (604) 533-2312 V6X 1C6 \X/ UseNet: uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!Dave_Allen ------"}------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: gbuce@pixar.UUCP (George Buce) Subject: Re: BADGE Killer Demo Contest (long) Message-ID: <3231@pixar.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 89 21:57:01 GMT Organization: Pixar -- Marin County, California Reply-To: gbuce@pixar.UUCP (George Buce) Keywords: Demo mode, self-running Summary: Commercial Demo Mode Exists NOW In article <3682@ardent.UUCP> rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) writes: >In article <7281"SW0UH2@PSUVM>, UH2@PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) writes: >> The local dealer here in Erie, for example, can't demo spreadsheets, >> word processors, graphics/video programs, or anything else for that matter, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Lee has a VERY good point here. Running loop demos of various >commercial software could indeed be a good selling feature for the machine >and in the case of a not quite so experienced dealer, could be a godsend"'C. > > "why have the commercial program writers and market-teers not > done this ALREADY????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" This has been done with a commercial program, for quite a few months. AMnews disk magazine has a self-running demo based on Meridian Software's Demonstrator. The Demonstrator records all Intuition inputs (mouse and keyboard) and later plays them back exactly as recorded. After putting together an issue of AMnews, we would do an hour long "walk throu"gh" of the magazine, showing off the articles, illustrations and demos while the Demonstrator was recording our inputs. The resulting file is included on every issue of AMnews along with a DemoPlayer from Meridian. All that was required of the dealer (besides a 1 meg Amiga) was to boot up the magazine and double click on the demo icon. The demo ran in a loop that was anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and a half, depending on the issue. I understand a good number of Amigas (and "cg on PCDISK, still yields a failure of the Aread or Awrite to do anything, and Jlink fails to find the amiga side of the connection. rebooting only the bridgeboard side (CTRL ALT DEL) causes the AMIGA side CLI's etc. etc. to generate nothing but garbage on any keypresses but the PCside can now do an aread or awrite, or Jlink sucessfully. all the proper software is in its correct drawers... janus.library is in the Expansion directory and the devs: directory has the janus.device stuff"4 in it... I'm at a loss.... any and all possible explainations would be GREATLY appreciated... thanks JpC -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan P. Crone CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET cronejp@mcl.UUCP Heisenberg might have been here... ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bill@cbmvax.UUCP (Bill Koester CATS) Subject: Re: A2000/Bridgeboard problems. Message-ID: <614"^9@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 20:40:36 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: bill@cbmvax.UUCP (Bill Koester CATS) In article <8903060008.AA03781@jade.berkeley.edu> CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) writes: >I've been trying to get a friends A2000 to work prorperly with >aread, awrite and jlink. Specifically PCDISK doesn't seem to work. > >The situation: >an A2000 with 1 meg of memory, a Bridgeboard, a 30 meg hard drive >with controller on the PCs"c*ide, (IE: DJMOUNTed from the amiga side >for the amiga partition.) > >the config.sys on the pc side has the device=jdisk.sys statement. > >Bringing the machine up from power off boots the amiga and PC sides, > >after opening the bridgeboard window ffrom workbench, and clicking on >PCDISK, >still yields a failure of the Aread or Awrite to do anything, and >Jlink fails to find the amiga side of the connection. >rebooting only the bridgeboard side (CTRL ALT DEL) causes the >AMIGA side C"sLI's etc. etc. to generate nothing but garbage on any >keypresses but the PCside can now do an aread or awrite, or Jlink >sucessfully. > >all the proper software is in its correct drawers... >janus.library is in the Expansion directory >and the devs: directory has the janus.device stuff in it... > If you reboot the PC with ctrl-alt-del and watch the screen you should see one of two messages. With the original software the messge will be Janus Handler found at segment E000 The new V2." dX430 software has the message Janus Handler x.xx Janus Library x.xx If you do not see one of these messages it means that the custom janus software in PC.boot is not being found or that the memory window is not set properly. First make sure the following files are present. for the original V1.0 software SYS:Expansion/Janus.Library SYS:Expansion/Janus.Library.info SYS:sidecar/pc.boot SYS:sidecar/2500prefs for the V2.0 software SYS:Expansion/Janus.L" 6ibrary SYS:Expansion/Janus.Library.info SYS:PC/System/pc.boot SYS:PC/System/2500prefs Then use pcprefs to set the memory window to E000 for an XT or sidecar or D000 for an AT. You must see the message mentioned above before things will work prepperly. BK ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: eberger@godot.psc.edu (Ed Berger) Subject: A500 expansion? Messa" ge-ID: <591@godot.psc.edu> Date: 2 Mar 89 16:47:42 GMT Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center Keywords: A500 Toolbox GVP-hardcard? I am thinking of expanding my A500. I want to add RAM and a hardrive. Of course, I'd like to add even more.... So Far: -GVP ImpactA500 looks nice, but doesn't pass bus and costs $200 more than ZorroII hardcards. Has capability for adding 1or2megs RAM. -ToolBox gives 2 ZorroII slots and costs $200. -Does the " GVP 40Q hardcard support RAM expansion? I'd love to keep a spare slot for either a serial board or Ethernet. -Oh I don't suppose that Perry could put ram expansion on that new serial card, for A500 owners tied down to 2slots. -Ed Berger eberger@godot.psc.edu ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: finkel@TAURUS.BITNET Subject: A501 clock problems (again, arggghhh...) Message-ID: <8902" 9272023.AA20381@MATH.Tau.Ac.IL> Date: 27 Feb 89 20:23:23 GMT Reply-To: Well, my A501's clock module decided to go berzerk again! It was caused by a memory diagnostic program that went loose. I can't set my clock any more! setclock responds with: Battery clock not found. This is not the first time it happened to me. last time, I solved it by disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it. I don't want to repeat this. I checked some of the advi""ses I got last time , and: 1) The 1.2 setclock DOES NOT WORK. not the 'save' neither the 'load'. 2) I got a program called 'chronos' ( by Dave Thomas ), that is supposed to cure the problem. it first writes 0xf1 to 0xdc0000+61, ( the comment says tha this sets the 'reset' bit ). it then writes 0xf4 to the same address ( 0xdc0000+ this program DOES NOT WORK! any help? a better explanation of the OKI 6264 chip's registers ( the clock chip send me EMail! This is not the first t "Q controller installed, my >system crashes frequently (every few minutes). The controller without the >StarBoard, or the StarBoard without the controller, seems to work OK. >When I got my Starboard a year or two ago, I had to ground the chips >on my daughterboard to reduce bus noise and keep the system from crashing. >I think that with the additional device on the expansion bus, I need to >do something more. I have three questions: > > 1) There is some other modification I have heard # of somewhere, which > (I think) involves putting filter capacitors on the power lines > of the expansion bus to further reduce bus noise. Does anyone know > the specifics? What size capacitors, connected how? I am not very > comfortable making hardware changes without very specific > instructions. Brad Fowles, I believe, posted something a month or so ago which he said came from Microbotics, concerning a bus terminator. It consists of a three-component network,  $ (5Vreplicated 20 times. Each network is: 4.7K ohm resistor to +5, and 1K ohm resistor in series with .001 microfarad capacitor to ground. The networks go on each data line, and UDS, LDS, R/W, and AS. These are pins 63, 65, 67-72, 74-84, and 86 on the expansion connector. You can pick up ground on pins 1, 2, 3, 4, 13, 25, 37, 49, 61, 73 and 85, and +5 is on 5 and 6. It's easy to build the terminator on an 86-pin edge connector (socket) that just plugs onto the end of the bus, provided %! all (both) you expansion devices have pass-through. See below for my own testimonial... > > 2) Is it possible that instead of bus noise, power consumption is my > problem? The controller pull 450 ma. I don't know how much the > StarBoard pulls. > > 3) Does anyone out there in net-land have both a StarBoard 2 and a > CLtd controller working on an A1000? I don't, personally, but I had the same problem getting two StarBoard 2's working at the same time. And adding the b &"Tus terminator made it all work just fine. > >Thanks for any help and advice you can give me. > >Bruce Bowers >---------- You are welcome. Tom Bruhns tomb%hplsla@hplabs.hp.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: Bruce_Eric_Bowers@cup.portal.com Subject: A1000 Daughterboard Message-ID: <15430@cup.portal.com> Date: 5 Mar 89 21:00:00 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) In an attempt to get my A1000 working '#bY with a CLTD hard drive, I ordered new PAL chips from CLTD. I removed the J+K PALs, soldered in the new sockets, and installed the new chips. Now my A1000 will not power on even to the point of asking for Kickstart. It gives me a light blue screen and the power light flashes. I have a couple questions: 1) Are there some common mistakes that I might check for, to alleviate this problem? The original PAL chips are probably no good, so putting them back in is not really a ($-)Kn option. However, I was very careful not to overly heat the daughterboard or any other chips when I installed the sockets. I also remelted all the new solder points to make sure I didn't have a cold solder joint. What else can I do? 2) The service place near where I live is not exactly helpful. Over the phone, they said they probably couldn't diagnose the problem and would just replace the whole daughterboard (charging plenty, of course). Isn't there )%(C& some way to fix the problem? If not, is a new daughterboard any more likely to allow my hard drive to work than my original board? 3) They want to charge an outrageous price for a daughterboard. Is there anywhere I can get a new one myself, assuming my attempts to make mine work fail? If not, is there anyone out there who wants to sell an A1000 cheap? (Especially if you have one with a bad internal drive, bad CPU, bad custom chips, etc that you could *#.n't sell as working). If so, please E-mail me info or give me a call at (301)-240-4179 days. Thanks for any help or advice you can offer. Bruce Bowers ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** is not exactly helpful. Over the phone, they said they probably couldn't diagnose the problem and would just replace the whole daughterboard (charging plenty, of course). Isn't there"'nDC Bitnet mailer explosion [Yet again] Re: Boot priority [Re: Hardframe experiences] BROKEN FISH ALPHALIST ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: CRONEJP@UREGINA1.BITNET (Jonathan Crone) Subject: A2000/Bridgeboard problems. Message-ID: <8903060008.AA03781@jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 5 Mar 89 23:17:40 GMT I've been trying to"$4 get a friends A2000 to work prorperly with aread, awrite and jlink. Specifically PCDISK doesn't seem to work. The situation: an A2000 with 1 meg of memory, a Bridgeboard, a 30 meg hard drive with controller on the PCside, (IE: DJMOUNTed from the amiga side for the amiga partition.) the config.sys on the pc side has the device=jdisk.sys statement. Bringing the machine up from power off boots the amiga and PC sides, after opening the bridgeboard window ffrom workbench, and clickin )|ɟanization: Sangho's Public Access Unix, Cambridge, MA In the new issue of Byte (just hold those booo's and hisses for a sec, OK 8-) Jerry Pournelle gives out his annual awards. In the category of Most Improved Computer for 1988, the winner is the Amiga 2000. They even wrote in BIG letters: "The Amiga 2000 is the clear winner as the most- improved computer." Will wonders never cease! Jim -- Jim Crotinger crotinger%mit *h.mfenet@nmfecc.arpa ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: maverick@floopy.UUCP (Thomas "Maverick" Schwarz) Subject: AztecC 3.6a Message-ID: <0225.AA0225@floopy> Date: 4 Mar 89 13:24:39 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga Organization: Sirius Software Keywords: aztec manx developer >A fellow brewer (Armin 'Marvin' Sparr) owns a Manx Aztec C Developers >package. When he upgraded to 3.6 in May last year, his distri +ZnAbutor did >send him a 3.6 Professional package, which lacks some utilities. >Armin discovered the error in time and is ever since engaged in a >"live or death struggle" (don't ya just love Monthy Phyton? :-) with >the distributor for the correct update. > >The newest "spam" from his dealer is that Manx discontinued both the >Developer and Commercial packages with 3.6, since they weren't selling >too well. > >Could someone on this hypergalactical well informed forum please verify >thi ,s statement? Just in case he's telling the truth... > >Thanks in advance for all ya responses, A friend of mine (sirius@well.uucp) has the Manx Aztec C 3.6a Developers package and didn't purchase it until after your friend got his update so if Manx has discontinued the Developers package it is news to him, and alot of other people I am sure. -- ____ / / / Amiga 1000 | Thomas "Maverick" Schwarz - Sirius Software / / / The Machine | Box 349 Caromar -WQ Dr. Mars, PA 16046 ____ / / / That Made It | (412) 443-6918 \ \ \/ / / Possible! | \ \/ / / -- |UUCP: allegra,cadre!pitt!darth!floopy!maverick \/_/_/ First! | or: allegra,cadre!idis!insight!thomas_schwarz ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) Subject: Re: AztecC 3.6a Message-ID: <341@becker.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 18:01:41 G .kMT Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario Reply-To: bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) Keywords: aztec manx developer In article <0225.AA0225@floopy> maverick@floopy.UUCP (Thomas "Maverick" Schwarz Schwarz) writes: +--------------- |>A fellow brewer (Armin 'Marvin' Sparr) owns a Manx Aztec C Developers |>package. When he upgraded to 3.6 in May last year, his distributor did |>send him a 3.6 Professional package, which lacks some utilities. |>Armin discovered the error in time and is /] ever since engaged in a |>"live or death struggle" (don't ya just love Monthy Phyton? :-) with |>the distributor for the correct update. |> |>The newest "spam" from his dealer is that Manx discontinued both the |>Developer and Commercial packages with 3.6, since they weren't selling |>too well. |> |>Could someone on this hypergalactical well informed forum please verify |>this statement? Just in case he's telling the truth... |> | [...] +--------------- Could the name of this distr 0cibutor be posted to this newsgroup please? That way others can be sure to be able to avoid having to deal with them... -- O . Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. o _///_ // Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu <`)= _<< BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET \\\ \\ "I became a Doctor of Gonzo Kernelism" - Thompson S. Machinecode ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ejkst@c 1Q isunx.UUCP (Eric J. Kennedy) Subject: Re: A1000 Bus Noise / Power Consumption Message-ID: <16221@cisunx.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 89 05:55:52 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys Reply-To: ejkst@unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu (Eric J. Kennedy) In article <14999@cup.portal.com> Bruce_Eric_Bowers@cup.portal.com writes: Date: 27 Feb 89 16:53:00 GMT Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA >I recently purchased a used CLtd SCSI controller and hard drive for my >Amiga 1000. I also have a StarBoard 2 with 2M. > >Whenever I have both the StarBoard and the 4Yn.COM> Date: 11 Mar 89 19:00:21 GMT Organization: People-Net [pnet02], Redondo Beach, CA. (I'll be thanking more in the future as I can see) ok, I went through everything I could find and I am having trouble with the list stuff. First off all, how do I find and manipulate the list ( of windows, I guess)??? After I find the list, is the window at the HEAD the latest active? OR is it the first in the system. IF so, how can I find the latest? Then, when I find what I am 5A looking for , I stick the address in A0 and perform my call of WindowToBack() (or front). Correct? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks so much. -=SP=- UUCP: ames!elroy, !gryphon!pnet02!shaulp INET: shaulp@pnet02.cts.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: U211344@HNYKUN11.BITNET (Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert) Subject: Re: Auto-manu-config for old design memory expansion boards Message-I 60nD: <8903061404.AA10429@jade.berkeley.edu> Date: 6 Mar 89 13:52:49 GMT Summary: KickTags will change in 1.4 I got several mailed replies as a reaction on my question whether I should send my AddMemForever to Bob Page or not. Nobody objected, on the grounds that hiding information won't stop virus writers anyway. So I'll send it to Bob, and personally to all people that expressed interest, because comp.sources.amiga has been awfully quiet for too long (at least here). I hope I'll be  7ۮ^able to reach everyone, especially cbmvax, since the cunyvm gateway does not seem to know its domain. As an interesting note, Bryce informed me that kicktags will change in 1.4, so the program may/will stop working then. Freely_Distributable=Greetings(Not_For_Any_Commercial_Purpose)-> Olaf.Seibert; +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Q: How many lines does it take to screw in a disclaimer? A: Only two. --- Olaf Rhialto Seibert the  8fSMarvellous --- U211344@hnykun11.bitnet --- Study safely - stop deets 7167 BYTES FREE Too painful to do right *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: chas@gtss.gatech.edu (Charles Cleveland) Subject: availability of SLAC AREXX stuff (was "Re: Jerry declares . . . ") Message-ID: <343@gtss.gatech.edu> Date: 4 Mar 89 15:19:54 GMT Organi 9Rzation: Georgia Tech School of Physics Reply-To: chas@gtss.UUCP (Charles Cleveland) In article <45580@linus.UUCP> sdl@linus.UUCP (Steven D. Litvintchouk) writes: )> rexxarplib/rexxmathlib, redistributable ARexx libraries )> that provide support for general Intuition and )> other ROM calls and a full set of math functions, )> by Willy Langeveld. )> ARexx macros and coordination by Marvin Weinstein. ) )These things sound super! Where  :o0can I find out more about them? How )can I obtain them? (I own ARexx v1.04.) These are available by anonymous ftp from gtss.gatech.edu [128.61.4.1] in the latest version (2.1) in a rexxarplib.zoo file. It contains many ARexx macros. version 2.0 has been posted to comp.binaries.amiga and is in the archives at swan.ulowell.edu, but I don't know if this version contains all the macros (certainly not the ones new with 2.1). My understanding is that Willy is doing some work on the l ; Date: 4 Mar 89 15:37:00 GMT Organization: Georgia Tech = School of Physics Reply-To: chas@gtss.UUCP (Charles Cleveland) Thanks to Maurice LeBrun, I now have the complete set of TeX files, including the previously missing macros, necessary to produce the * documentation for VLT. They are available by anonymous ftp from gtss.gatech.edu [128.61.4.1] and have also been sent to Bob Page to complete his VLT collection for comp.binaries.amiga. * VLT is a terminal emulator. -- - It is better for civilization to be going (k5 down the drain than to be - - coming up it. -- Henry Allen - Charles Cleveland Georgia Tech School of Physics Atlanta, GA 30332-0430 UUCP: ...!gatech!gtss!chas INTERNET: chas@gtss.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jac@ssibbs.UUCP (James Crotinger) Subject: Award Winning Amiga Message-ID: <102@ssibbs.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 89 03:12:10 GMT Org.q6Qey carry you off in. ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** foo > */foo > (and similar constructs using device/assign names rather > than directories.) ((dir1/foo)|(dir2/bar)|(dir3/baz)) dir(1|2|3)/foo dir(1|2|3)/foo #?/foo I think that anything you can do in unix I can do in AmigaDos. Try #(x/)foo to match foo, x/foo, x/x/foo, x/x/x/foo, x/x/x/x/foo, etc. in unix. Oh, you mean that about 1/2 of the commands that 3s so much! OH WHAT A DUMBY I AM!!!!! (AARRRGGGGHHH) I can't believe I couldn't find this anywhere! Oh well,I'm still waiting for the new RKM's and some more patience. Thanks alot again! -=SP=- UUCP: ames!elroy, !gryphon!pnet02!shaulp INET: shaulp@pnet02.cts.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shaulp@pnet02.cts.com (Shaul Peleg) Subject: Re: Assemnbly help needed Message-ID: <13184@grypho A_m availability of TeX documentation for VLT Award Winning Amiga AztecC 3.6a Re: AztecC 3.6a Re: A1000 Bus Noise / Power Consumption (2 msgs) A1000 Daughterboard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) Subject: Re: arp CD command BC change??? Message-ID: <4129@ardent.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 19:45:09 GMT Organization: Dana Computer, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA In article <10657@stb.UUCP>, michael@stb.UUCP (Michael) writes: > In article <6001@cbmvax.UUCP> ditto@cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) writes: > > [comparison of what can and can not be done in amigados/unix] > > > >Here are some examples of things that just CAN'T be done with > >AmigaDos wildcards: [ examples deleted ] Anyone who has problems with commands not C supporting wildcards should look at (or just USE) the SPAT or DPAT scripts that are now in the S: directory for 1.3. The syntax is: SPAT or DPAT These each run the named command once (in a script-directed loop) for each time a filename matches the wildcard string that you provide. Thus the file itself need never support wildcarding because D- it gets run perhaps many times, but each time receives only a vanilla (simple) file name. I especially like the alias assigned for the RENAME command (forgot if they used 're' or what, but essentially it lets you move a wildcard specified set of files from one directory to another in a single command invocation. Very nice. Just like Unix's mv dir1/dir2/dir3/* newdir The AmigaDOS equivalent uses DPAT... see the file S:Shell-startup for details. Rob Peck ---------------- E`-------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: elg@killer.Dallas.TX.US (Eric Green) Subject: assemblers & cross-assemblers Message-ID: <7515@killer.Dallas.TX.US> Date: 12 Mar 89 06:50:52 GMT Organization: The Unix(R) Connection BBS, Dallas, Tx Reply-To: elg@killer.DALLAS.TX.US (Eric Green) I'm looking for an assembler that could concievably be used to generate 6809 object code. Don't ask me why 6809 (if you need to ask, you're educati F+Jonally deprived ;-). Has anybody ported GAS to the Amiga yet? It should be simple enough to re-target, eh? I guess I might as well look at AS68K, but considering its heritage I doubt it'll be flexible enough... as for DASM, forget it. DASM is like the rest of Matt Dillon's programs -- a brilliant hack, but Matt's the only person who'll ever make major mods to it -- it has about three comments per source file ;-). Ahwell. And to the Motorola Dallas regional rep -- #$%#$% you too, you GE13'll never see a Motorola embedded microcontroller in one of MY designs. Not as if I'd want one of those stone-age 6800-based paperweights in the first place... -- | // Eric Lee Green P.O. Box 92191, Lafayette, LA 70509 | | // ..!ames,decwrl,mit-eddie,osu-cis!killer!elg (318)989-9849 | | \X/ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shaulp@pnet02.cts.com (Shaul Peleg) Subject: Assem H8nbly help needed Message-ID: <13100@gryphon.COM> Date: 9 Mar 89 23:20:59 GMT Organization: People-Net [pnet02], Redondo Beach, CA. I am having a little trouble trying to implememnt the WIndowToBack and Front calls. I am wrting a little program that will flip back and forth the windows on the screen. Problem: -- If I want to send the ACTIVE (guess) window to the back or front I need a NAME to put in address register A0. What if this is just another Window? What shuld my program be ?< pointing at(too C-ish?)??? PLEASE HELP!!!! Any of it will be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks. -=SP=- UUCP: ames!elroy, !gryphon!pnet02!shaulp INET: shaulp@pnet02.cts.com ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: shaulp@pnet02.cts.com (Shaul Peleg) Subject: Re: Assemnbly help needed Message-ID: <13155@gryphon.COM> Date: 11 Mar 89 03:20:32 GMT Organization: People-Net [pnet02], Redondo Beach, CA. Thank#J!;LL%ALBION.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU >Lord knows that fools come in many shapes and forms, and that there >are many around this land of ours, but I never thought I'd see the >day where I WOULD SAY THIS: Apple made a sucker out of me! I've had >my GS for 2 years and 2 months and I've yet to get much out of it! >...and as a game machine, the thing is a poor man's Amiga. Uh, but the GS is more expensive. Does this make it a rich fools Amiga ? -- Memory parity error. Abort,$KS retry or ignore ? richard@gryphon.COM decwrl!gryphon!richard gryphon!richard@elroy.jpl.NASA.GOV ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) Subject: Re: Apple //GS, words from their world Message-ID: <6165@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 89 17:03:30 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) In article mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Po (Michael Portuesi) writes: >karl@sugar.hackercorp.com (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: >[quoting someone else about the Apple //gs] >which is really kind of ironic, because the only way you could call it >a "poor mans Amiga" is if it genuinely cost less than the Amiga. Unless they meant poor after you paid for the GS. -- andy finkel uunet|rutgers|amiga!cbmvax!andy Commodore-Amiga, Inc. "Question of the Day : When will we get a device i&M4 ndependent graphics standard that is fast enough to actually be useful as a window system ?" Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: billsey@agora.UUCP (Bill Seymour) Subject: Re: Appletalk Message-ID: <1396@agora.UUCP> Date: 4 Mar 89 02:58:12 GMT Organization: Advanced Solutions, Hillsbo'Nm%ro, OR : APPLETALK on the amiga: Can it be done? If so, has it? : : I understand that the computer interface to the net is RS-422. In that case, : is it possible to modify -232 signals for -422? Will ASDG's IO board : be supporting rs-422? Any comments and suggestions are welcome here : or to me privately. I don't want to spend too much time on the net with possibly commercial type messages, but Creative Microsystems is announcing a multiport card at AmiEXPO this wee(O#8@kend. There is one parallel port, one serial (RS-232) port and one Appletalk (RS-422) port. In conjunction with this, there is Appletalk software also... After Rich and Mark get back from the show, I'll try to post the flier on the card. : - Ed (Ed Smith: es2e+@andrew.cmu.edu) -- -Bill Seymour ...tektronix!reed!percival!agora!billsey ...tektronix!sequent!blowpig!billsey Creative Microsystems Northwest Amiga Group At Home)Pv Sometimes (503) 691-2552 (503) 656-7393 BBS (503) 640-0842 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ockenden@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Paul T Ockenden) Subject: Are the amiga binaries arend sources working ? Message-ID: <823@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk> Date: 5 Mar 89 16:35:07 GMT Organization: There is no organization here Are comp.binaries.amiga and comp.sys.sources.amiga still working, or ha*Qޭ(ve they just got lost somewhere in our feed chain ?? The last item I've got in binaries is nroff, posted by Bob P on 3rd Feb..... -- Paul Ockenden uucp : ....uunet!prlb2!prlhp1!ockenden Software type person ....mcvax!ukc!prlhp1!ockenden Somewhere in England. janet : ockenden%prlhp1@uk.ac.ukc "Blah blah blah......... (Pizza Killers!)" bix : paulock cix : PaulO ------------------------------ Relay-Ve+R=rsion: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: michael@stb.UUCP (Michael) Subject: Re: arp CD command change??? Message-ID: <10657@stb.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 89 23:10:21 GMT Organization: STB BBS, La, Ca, Usa, +1 213 459 7231 Reply-To: michael@stb.UUCP (Michael) In article <6001@cbmvax.UUCP> ditto@cbmvax.UUCP (Michael "Ford" Ditto) writes: > [comparison of what can and can not be done in amigados/unix] > >Here are some examples of things that just CAN'T be done wi,Sth >AmigaDos wildcards: > > dir1/foo dir2/bar dir3/baz > dir1/foo dir2/foo dir3/foo > dir[123]/foo > */foo > (and similar constructs using device/assign names rather > than directories.) ((dir1/foo)|(dir2/bar)|(dir3/baz)) dir(1|2|3)/foo dir(1|2|3)/foo #?/foo I think that anything you can do in unix I can do in AmigaDos. Try #(x/)foo to match foo, x/foo, x/x/foo, x/x/x/foo, x/x/x/x/foo, etc. in unix. Oh, you mean that about 1/2 of the commands that->Ů take wildcards will fail on my examples? Thats a different problem--the code should be written once in a library, not every time by different programs. Michael p.s. This is not ment as a flame; but don't say "You can't do this" unless you're really sure of it. : --- : Michael Gersten uunet.uu.net!stb!michael : crash!gryphon!denwa!stb!michael : Its not the Coff that carries you off, its the coffin thUai$hnology. ... -- -- uunet!sugar!karl | "Everyone has a purpose in life. Perhaps yours is -- | watching television." -- David Letterman -- Usenet BBS (713) 438-5018 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Portuesi) Subject: Re: Apple //GS, words from their world Message-ID: Date: 6 Mar 89 16:46:28 GMT Organization: Mathematics,VxTJ Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA IN-REPLY-TO: <3584@sugar.hackercorp.com> karl@sugar.hackercorp.com (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: [quoting someone else about the Apple //gs] > ...and as a game machine, the thing is a poor man's Amiga. > ...GOD IS THIS THING SLOW! which is really kind of ironic, because the only way you could call it a "poor mans Amiga" is if it genuinely cost less than the Amiga. --M -- Michael Portuesi / Information Technology Center / CWarnegie Mellon University INET: mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu / BITNET: mp1u+@andrew UUCP: ...harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!mp1u+ "You just don't get off a spaceship and run." --Avon ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) Subject: Re: Apple //GS, words from their world Message-ID: <4131@ardent.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 22:43:17 GMT Organization: Dana Computer, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA Summary: aarrXgghh In article , mp1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael P (Michael Portuesi) writes: > karl@sugar.hackercorp.com (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: > [quoting someone else about the Apple //gs] > > ...and as a game machine, the thing is a poor man's Amiga. > > ...GOD IS THIS THING SLOW! Just another tiny tidbit... the San Jose Mercury News did a review of Apple Works //gs and it seems to have gotten very low marks for value and usability. The few remarks that IY. recall pertained to not supporting bidirectional printing, printing blank lines by moving the head all the way across the page while doing nothing, and taking over 5 minutes of thinking before starting to print any part of the document (I don't know if this was the word processor or the spreadsheet part of it). That combined with a long load time and an absolute requirement for a minimum of 1.25Mbytes of RAM ... reviewer did not seem very happy with it. Rob Peck -----------------Z\0u------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) Subject: Re: Apple //GS, words from their world Message-ID: <10907@well.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 89 07:14:17 GMT Organization: Viacom CableviPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF... Reply-To: ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) Summary: Couple of observations... QUOTE: "Could you please continue the petty bickering?" -- Data In article <35[k$84@sugar.hackercorp.com> karl@sugar.hackercorp.com (Karl Lehenbau (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: >...AppleWorks GS. I have played with it but briefly, and was impressed with >(1) its load time (2) its sluggishness. [ ... ] This appears to be characteristic of all GS programs I've played with. Instant Music for the GS is truly unbelieveable. When you go to pull down a menu, you can actually *see* the rectangle being filled in, followed by the menu items getting drawn one by o\?ne. To its credit, the machine runs old ][ software at a comfortable, even fast, pace. >Incindentally, the companies killing the machine from the software support >standpoint are as follows [ ... ]: >Electronic Arts Trip Hawkins needs help. >The problem with David's statement is that GS/OS occasionally does > ^^^^^ How do those 'into' the GS pronounce this? Geez-OS? >...and as a game machine, the thing is a poor  ]6Eman's Amiga. Define 'poor'. >What gives? These are major developers, not yahoos. [ ... ] >they won't run with GS/OS. [ ... ] >Activision's Music Studio 2.0 will simply crash [ ... ] >Well written Apple //GS software should [ blah blah blah... ] Do these laments sound familiar? I guess we're not alone, and the Broken Software Syndrome is probably more attributable to software companies who have their collective heads wedged than a conspiracy theory. After all, !^/who would deliberately write broken software for an Apple product (besides us, I mean :-) )? _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape INET: well!ewhac@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU \_ -_ Recumbent Bikes: UUCP: pacbell > !well,unicom!ewhac O----^o The Only Way To Fly. hplabs / (pronounced "AE-wack") "Work FOR? I don't work FOR anybody! I'm just having fun." -- The Doctor -------"IUR----------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) Subject: Re: Apple //GS, words from their world Message-ID: <12987@gryphon.COM> Date: 7 Mar 89 02:37:11 GMT Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, CA Reply-To: richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) In article <3584@sugar.hackercorp.com> karl@sugar.hackercorp.com (Karl Lehenbau (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: > >From: CHEESEBA ` jut) Paintworks Gold (won't launch) Writer's Choice Elite (unstable) Music Studio 2.0 (unstable) From Claris: Multiscribe GS (Dictionary and Thesaurus don't work) From Spectrum Holobyte Tetris (won't quit back to GS/OS finder.) What gives? These are major developers, not yahoos. They were seeded with GS/OS way before its release and today, almost six months after the public introduction and shippinga/r of the Apple //GS operating system, I have been unable to find a single personal productivity product that works correctly with it. This week I am returning Multiscribe GS. I like the product design a lot. I used all the earlier versions of Multiscribe on my //e (they worked correctly with the OS for the //e), but I am unwilling to pay Claris for a product that makes me go back to booting from a floppy every time I wish to run it. This is not the kind of performance I bought a GSb3 for. (and this is not the kind of lack of support I expected from Claris either!) I must give them credit for offering to refund my money. These products are still on dealer shelves, being sold today with no notice on the package or documentation to inform the user that they won't run with GS/OS. Why? Apple //GS software isn't selling very well because the software environment is in a state of violent flux and developers are not keeping up. Often the products you buy are incck Nompatible with the operating system, common hardware add-ons or each other. Example: I share an AppleTalk Imagewriter II with my wife's Mac. This is not unusual and it is a supported configuration. Activision's Music Studio 2.0 will simply crash if booted while AppleTalk is enabled from the control panel. No warnings, no mention in the manual, just a 45 second boot that ends with the old familiar and leaves you looking at a blank screen. Therefore, every time I run this d`~:program, I have to remember to turn AppleTalk off and of course, I can't print from Music Studio. AppleLink Personal Edition comes with a long list of control panel settings that must be made in order to run it on a GS. These include changing the PRINTER settings (I asked both Apple and Quantum why I have to change the printer settings and neither has been able to supply an adequate answer). Included in the required printer changes is turning all handshaking with the printer OFF. e" If you leave applelink PE and run an old ProDOS 8 application to print something the printer will screw up because the settings are wrong for anything else BUT AppleLink PE. .... Well written Apple //GS software should never ASSUME that the control panel is set a certain way. It should check the settings and warn a user if they are inappropriate. Well written Apple //GS software should NEVER require the user to make a control panel change to run it. If it needs a change to run prfoperly, it should ask the user permission to make the change, do it and then restore the original settings before quitting. In cases where the machine must be restarted to make the change, the program should store the original settings, make the changes, instruct the user to resetart, run, and upon quitting, restore the original settings, and inform the user that the machine must be restarted again to have them take effect. This is all very grungy. A really well designed programgף shouldn't have to diddle the control panel at all. From: tsouth@pro-pac.cts.com (System Administrator) No matter what anyone says, the Amiga concept is primarily promoted as a game machine/animation work station, IMHO. While it may have a multi-tasking o/s, the directing commands and interface for the machine are more cumbersome than running Apple ][ DOS 3.2 and Integer BASIC (just to allow you non-amiga fans some reference point). I agree that the Amiga is a better hardware machGJυhine than the IIgs, but the implementation of the system, and support for applications that I am interested in are little to none. With the introduction of the Amiga 2500UX, I have had my own interest in the Amiga rekindled. By September Fest 89, I should have $2000 in cash saved up to purchase a new computer (along with credit to cover the extra stuff) and I am seriously looking into purchasing the 2500UX with the Unix operationg system. If Apple does not come out with a new AppliXe ][ computer by September, that's where I will be placing my money. If Apple comes out with a new IIgs which does not support a decent speed and/or someone doesn't come out with a decent C compiler for the IIgs, I will probably purchase the thing anyway, as I am tired of not being able to write good (read -- compact, fast, non-cumbersome) C code on my machine. .... No, he's talking about the graphics which you can seen being drawn to the screen. One thing that has always amazed meTv% about the Apple ][ family is all of the trouble which the programmers have to go through to make animation work on these machines. I guess I could live with this, but you got to admit that it is rather annoying to watch pull-down menus being drawn. .... David, you can be so innocent sometimes. Of course, he means that we want HIGHER resolution modes! Personally, I'll never understand what the problem was with making a vertical resolution of 400. This 200 stuff is Commodore 64 tec"kWKageStream is as buggy as it is. I expected it. Mike's prediction: the final major bug will be eliminated in Fall of 1992. -Mike Schwager schwager@a.cs.uiuc.edu -- uunet,convex,pur-ee!uiucdcs!schwager schwager%uiuc@csnet-relay.arpa University of Illinois, Dept. of Computer Science ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: jacobson@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: PageStream is way to#lYco buggy!!! Message-ID: <45600057@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 24 Feb 89 06:46:00 GMT Nf-ID: #N:uxe.cso.uiuc.edu:45600057:000:2587 Nf-From: uxe.cso.uiuc.edu!jacobson Feb 24 00:46:00 1989 Well yesterday I finally got my copy of Pagestream after a year. I had actually given up ever seeing it. Only two good things can be said about it One is that it does a good job of making decent output for a 9 pin Epson LX 800 I use. Second the poscript file you can creat with it transfers beautifully $mқto my Mac at work and I get a nice copy on my Laserwriter. Thats about all I find good with it. Flame on: The bad news is that otherwise the program is a piece of junk. It is so bug ridden as to be nearly useless. Even Wordperfect in its early days was never as buggy and prone to wierd lock ups, GURUs and such. As others have already mentioned the screen display has a tendency to go wierd. I find that it gets confused, messed up when I select certain modes and it tries to refresh the%n display. Twice when I used the zoom mode the screen went all wierd and garbled like I remember seeing in the days of programs that could not use fast ram, but then I tried again and zoom worked fine. When I flow text around graphics the flow gets all weird sometimes and I have to move the side scroll bar to get the display refreshed so that the text will flow properly around the graphics. It looks to me like they don't know how to deal with Amiga screen graphics such as refreshing t&oUhe screen display, and such. The requesters for file operations are weird, and very non-standard. Other requestors have so many ways of interacting with them that they often act very flaky. The program is supposed to read in WordPerfect files but will not, crashing with a visit to the Guru every time I try to read the file. The file import feature correctly recognizes the file as WordPerfect but then crashes when I try to load it. I could go on, but you get the picture. I am not h'ppK=appy at all with the program and whish I had took the $100 upgrade offer in September for Professonal Page. I took a chance for the $50 "upgrade" from pagesetter to this junk and I guess I got what I payed for. How can they even release such a poorly finnished product. If this is the finnished result of getting rid of all the bugs, what did the product look like a year ago???? Anyway I do not reccomment the product to anyone in its current state. It has lots of nice features but th(ve flakey and bug-ridden interface nearly makes it unusable or at least unreliable (you don't know when something will go weird with the screen display or a guru will visit you!) Russ Jacobson jacobson@uiucuxe jacobson%uiucuxe@a.cs.uiuc.edu jacobson%uiucuxe@uiuc.csnet [ihnp4,pur-ee,convex]uiucdcs!uiucuxc!uiucuxe!jacobson ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** hen I try to load it. I could go on, but you get the picture. I am not h rqchine, the thing is a poor man's Amiga. ....GOD IS THIS THING SLOW! From: AWCTTYPA@UIAMVS.BITNET ("David A. Lyons") PaintWorks Gold requires nearly all of the memory available under GS/OS on a 1.25 meg system. It _does_ run for me under System Disk 4.0, but only with the RAMdisk set to 0 and with very few desk accessories or other utilities installed. If PWG can't allocate the memory it needs, it just crashes with the title screen showing, which is stupid. From: "Jeremy G. s5ݕ Mereness" [...] I still don't consider GS/OS a "real" operating system for the GS because of many of these issues: it is too volatile, standards are too new and are all too often ignored, and for some reason (and I can only assume that this is because the OS doesn't cover its tracks) a great deal of software crashes under it. From: joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) I coordinate an apple II users group in NJ and have owned a series of Apple II com tputers since 1978. I purchased my IIGS in October 1988 right after the announcement of GS/OS and the darn price increase :-(. My current system has 1.25 meg of ram, a Sider 10 MB hard disk (ported over from my old //e) and some other random boards (supersonic...). I have been hearing lately that Apple //GS software is not selling as well as it should. I have been buying (and lately returning) a great deal of it and I think I know some of the reasons. I waited until after the anno _ouncement of GS/OS to by my machine because I felt the earlier proDOS 16 versions were simply too crude. Below is a list of some of the products I have purchased since I bought my GS. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM works properly when launched from GS/OS. In addition, the publishers have been unwilling to comment on proposed dates for updates that fix their compatability problems. From Activision: Draw Plus (has printing problems) Paintworks Plus (freaks ovPND===== Harald Fricke Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for the opinions of my employer or vice versa. This posting reflects my own personal opinion. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) Subject: Re: ordering from CATS Message-ID: <4353@enea.se> Date: 5 Mar 89 16:22:43 GMT Orwv$ ganization: ENEA DATA AB, Sweden Reply-To: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) UUCP-PATH: uunet!enea!tope In article <10026@louie.udel.EDU> ZZFRICK%DHVRRZN1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu writes: >Is a new (>04-88) list of CATS items/ordering informatins available? >I'm especially interested in an 1.3 native developer update kit. Me too! Are there any special requirements of the buyer of the 1.3 Native Developer Kit ? (registration, company instead of private person...) ---------------------xQ--------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: adam@cbmvax.UUCP (Adam Levin CATS) Subject: Re: ordering from CATS Message-ID: <6145@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 15:14:51 GMT Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Reply-To: adam@cbmvax.UUCP (Adam Levin CATS) In article <4353@enea.se> tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson) writes: >Are there any special requirements of the buyer of the 1.3 Native >Developer Kit ? (registration, company ysinstead of private person...) (Carolyn posted the latest list here a week ago; check your archives.) There are no special requirements to purchase the documentation we publish. Just send a check for the correct amount, the name of the manual, and your name and address. Sending a certified check will speed the process because we don't have to wait for them to "clear". -- Adam Keith Levin -- CATS Commodore-Amiga Technical Support 1200 Wilson Drive / West Chester, PA z?" 19380 (215) 431-9180 BIX: aklevin UUCP: ...amiga|rutgers|uunet!cbmvax!adam ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: vkr@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K. Rao) Subject: Outputting Maple plots to an NEC-2200 Message-ID: <1239@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu> Date: 3 Mar 89 21:40:43 GMT Organization: Dept of Math, Ohio St U at Newark, Newark, OH 43055 Reply-To: vkr@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu (Vi{P"dhyanath K. Rao) I use Maple on an Amiga. I would like to print the plots that Maple generates on the NEC-2200 (a 24-pin printer), without having to do screen dumps [a pain as I have to be there, and Maple plot screens have no Gadgets, and clicking anywhere in the screen kills it :-(]. I couldn't find any references in the Maple manual about outputs to plotters, and in any case I would need a plotter -> NEC conversion utility. Thanx in advance. -- It is the man not the method th|eAat Nath solves the problem. vkr@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu -Poincare. (614)-366-9341 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: ricom@microsoft.UUCP (Rico Mariani) Subject: Re: Outputting Maple plots to an NEC-2200 Message-ID: <812@microsoft.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 22:13:51 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA Reply-To: ricom@microsoft.UUC}tP (Rico Mariani) In article <1239@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu> vkr@osupyr.mast.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K. Rao) writes: > >I use Maple on an Amiga. I would like to print the plots that Maple generates >on the NEC-2200 (a 24-pin printer), without having to do screen dumps [a pain >as I have to be there, and Maple plot screens have no Gadgets, and clicking >anywhere in the screen kills it :-(]. I couldn't find any references in the >Maple manual about outputs to plotters, and in an~::y case I would need a >plotter -> NEC conversion utility. If I have anything to say on the matter (and I hope I will). The next release of Amiga Maple will be able to dump to an IFF file or the the currently selected printer. Sadly there isn't much you can do other than what you're already doing. Perhaps this will help though, the plot is a first class value in Maple. As such you can compute many of them and store them in variables or save them in files. Then you can output the J#rm at your leisure. e.g. p1 := plot( -- major plot thingy --): save p1,file1; (note the : at the end of the line -- this means do not output, just assign) p2 := plot ( etc...); save p2,file2; etc. Then you can reload the plots and display them quickly. The actual rendering is very fast. -Rico ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: schwager@m.cs.uiuc.edu Sub!j;K(ject: Re: PageStream Message-ID: <7200080@m.cs.uiuc.edu> Date: 1 Mar 89 02:39:00 GMT Nf-ID: #R:alux2.ATT.COM:215:m.cs.uiuc.edu:7200080:000:580 Nf-From: m.cs.uiuc.edu!schwager Feb 28 20:39:00 1989 Sheesh, all this bitching about PageStream! I have but one thought on the subject (as a fellow PageStream purchaser): after about 6 months of waiting, I began to believe that just about *anything* was possible. Let's face it, the writing was on the wall. I'm not surprised at all that P  USA In article <3515@sugar.uu.net>, peter@sugar.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: > In article <503@madnix.UUCP> perry@madnix.UUCP (Perry Kivolowitz) writes: > >You spoke, we listened. > > Cool. Now how about a minimum Zorro-2 expansion box for the Amiga 1000. Not > the all-singing all-dancing superbox you were doing before... just something > with 3 or 4 Zorro-II slots. Repackage the Minirack-D, maybe, though 2 slots > isn't really enough (1 or 2 ram cards, hard disk card, serial p @aorts). Ditto for the Amiga 500. Two slots for the 500 would be sufficient as long as there was passthrough available as well. All four voltage supplies are necessary (+5, -5, +12, -12). I know there are others on the market now as I have mentioned frequently, but one with an ASDG label would most likely be a favored product. Mark K. Darby AT&T Bell Laboratories AT&T: (201)957-2706 200 Laurel Ave. uucp:..!att!mtunh!mkd Middletown, c| Date: 3 Mar 89 12:47:56 GMT Organization: University of Tampere, Department of Computer Science, Finland Reply-To: koykka@utacs.uta.fi (Sami K|ykk) Distribution: comp Last night I discovered a new virus on the Amiga. It all began when my Workbench1.3 suddenly crashed whil7Ae booting. When I took a look at startup-sequence, I noticed that SetClock was the crashing program. It didn't crash always, but very often. I began to think if it was IRQ-virus. So I used my friend's virus- killer and checked whole disk. In Devs-directory the killer found a file which name was nothing but spaces. I peeked in the file and found out that it was a program called SetPatch - renamed and copied in Devs-directory! Next I looked at the "real" SetPatch-commJ1\and in C-directory. It was totally different program. Its length was 2608 bytes - not the length of SetPatch. So somebody had changed the location of my command and made a new program into its old location. SetPatch was the first command in my Startup-Sequence and it seemed very likely that I've been under attack by a new virus! So, the next step was to test if it spreads. I made a copy of fresh workbench, booted with infected disk and resetted. After that I insertewd my write-enabled fresh Workbench-disk and waited. Screen remained white and disk drive whirred long time. After startup-sequence had stopped, I checked Devs-directory. There it was, the file named " "! It was small, only about 800 bytes. In that disk, the first command in Startup-Sequence was Addbuffers. So I checked Addbuffers-command, and it was changed! It was 2608 bytes long just like the False Setpatch in the another disk. I don't know how long this virus has bephen around and where it comes from, but I thought that I'd better write about it in here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ !Sami K|ykk, Tampere University, Finland ! !E-Mail: koykka@utacs.uta.fi ! ! koykka@utacs.uucp ! ! koykka%utacs.uta.fi@uunet.uu.net (in USA) ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mrr@amanpt1.amanpt1.Newport.RI.US (Mark Rinfret) Subject: Open note to Allan Bland (mab) Message-ID: <560@amanpt1.amanpt1.Newport.RI.US> Date: 1 Mar 89 11:45:17 GMT Organization: HyperView Systems Corp. Keywords: GLIB This is a private message to Allan Bland - email to him is broken - sorry, and d8kQon't peek :-). Allan - I can't respond to your email because you're at an AT&T site. I've asked for help from my host site but I wanted to get back to you right away with a YES on your offer of GLIB. I'd love to have it. Hopefully, my full response will reach you soon. If you have an alternate address that doesn't have ATT in it ,please email it to me. Mark p.s. If you'd like me to post it for you, I'd be happy to do it. -- Mark R. Rinfret mrr@amanpt1.Newport.RI.?P:US HyperView Systems Corp. Hypermedia Solutions for Documentation/Training 28 Jacome Way Work: 401-849-9390 x301 Middletown, RI 02840 Home: 401-846-7639 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: Harald Fricke 05 11/790-2025 ZZFRICK at DHVRRZN1 Subject: ordering from CATS Message-ID: <100uc26@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 2 March 1989, 15:28:05 MEZ TO: AMIGA-RELAY at LOUIE.UDEL.EDU Hello everybody! Is a new (>04-88) list of CATS items/ordering informatins available? I'm especially interested in an 1.3 native developer update kit. If such a list should exist - could someone mail it to me? I'm on BITNET and cannot receive USENET forums. Thank you very much in advance, Harald *=================================================================== /RpKnncluding this one and the script file (WaveSailing.script) are distributed with it. -- Tad Guy Comp Sci, Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA 23529-0162 tadguy@cs.odu.edu tadguy@xanth.cs.odu.edu [128.82.8.1] tadguy@xanth.uucp "Think twice before speaking, but don't say `think think click click'." -- John Owens ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** us Vw, ASDG Inc. ARPA: madnix!perry@cs.wisc.edu uunet|ncoast!marque! UUCP: harvard|rutgers|ucbvax!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!perry CIS: 76004,1765 (what was that about ``giggling teenagers''?) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mkd@mtunh.ATT.COM (Mark Darby) Subject: Re: New Serial Port Board (Less Expensive) Message-ID: <649@mtunh.ATT.COM> Date: 6 Mar 89 13:33:37 GMT Organization: AT&T ISL Middletown NJ`g Maple plots to an NEC-2200 Re: Outputting Maple plots to an NEC-2200 Re: PageStream PageStream is way too buggy!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) Subject: Re: New demo available from xanth: ``WaveSailing with AmiVision'' Message-ID: <6439@dayton.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 89 1׉n5:41:41 GMT Organization: Dayton-Hudson Dept. Store Co. Reply-To: joe@dayton.UUCP (Joseph P. Larson) In article <7962@xanth.cs.odu.edu> tadguy@cs.odu.edu (Tad Guy) writes: >Marvin Landis was kind enough to mail me (via the >old fashioned kind of mail) ``WaveSailing with AmiVision'', ..... >... It is LARGE: > >So, before you attempt to get it, read through the README included >below, and be certain you can extract a 732k zoo file (you might want >to break the zoo EDfiles down on your local UNIX host using the UNIX >version of Zoo also available on xanth in /pub/zoo-2.01/). Or even easier, send me $10 and ask for Pict9a and 9b. Joe Larson 6121 St. Croix Ave. N. Golden Valley, Mn. 55422 (Better yet, send me $50 and I'll send you all 10 pict disks currently available! Go on. Take a chance.) -Joe -- When you fall on your head do you land on your feet? UUCP: rutgers!dayton!joe (Feed my Dayton Hudson Department Store Company A,CJTT : (612) 375-3537 picture Joe Larson/MIS 1060 (standard disclaimer...) collection) 700 on the Mall Mpls, Mn. 55402 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: perry@madnix.UUCP (Perry Kivolowitz) Subject: Re: New Serial Port Board (Less Expensive) Message-ID: <519@madnix.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 89 01:21:37 GMT Organization: ASDG Incorporated Reply-To: perry@madnix.UUCP (Perry Kivolowitz) In articlƹ;e <15518@oberon.USC.EDU> papa@pollux.usc.edu (Marco Papa) writes: >Perry, how about a few details on the DSP design (UART chips used, buffering, >etc...). Can I expect the same performance as with the TwinX-based serial >card? The new board (DSB) is completely compatible with the SBX-Serial/2. Actually, the DSB was designed to be identical to the SBX-Serial/2 from a software perspective. Exactly the same driver is distributed with both products. (The fact that the DSB is based upotRfn a finished shipping set of hardware and software should give people a better feeling about our target ship date). The driver distributed with DSB will support multiple DSBs if you happen to have more than one of them in your system. Software performance will be exactly the same as the Serial/2. The driver we supply has a compiled in limitation of 78.6KBaud per channel. Each channle is completely independent. In testing here we have achieved error free sending and receiving at theȩ 78.6KBaud setting. The DSP employs a Z8530 as the serial controller. This provides 1 byte of transmit buffering and three bytes of receive buffering per channel. All handshake/status lines are provided as per the serial.device. We decided upon coming out with two nine pin connectors since these are a standard cable assembly in the IBM world which means cables should be easy to find and cheap to buy. -- Perry Kivolowitz, ASDG Inc. ARPA: madnix!perry@cs.wis s^c.edu uunet|ncoast!marque! UUCP: harvard|rutgers|ucbvax!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!perry CIS: 76004,1765 (what was that about ``giggling teenagers''?) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: perry@madnix.UUCP (Perry Kivolowitz) Subject: Re: New Serial Port Board (Less Expensive) Message-ID: <520@madnix.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 89 23:50:24 GMT Organization: ASDG Incorporated Reply-To: perry@madnix.UUCP (Perry K Sivolowitz) Summary: Will Try In article <648@mtunh.ATT.COM> mkd@mtunh.ATT.COM (Mark Darby) writes: >Perry, could you get someone (in ASDG, outside ASDG, ???) to test this >(or the twin-x solution for that matter) on one or more of the commercially >available expansion racks for the 500 which specifically >fit "2000-style" cards and >could this info then be posted here on the net? >Mark K. Darby Will try this out at AmiExpo if possible. -- Perry Kivolowitz $% v to be an application in the '88 Badge Killer Demo Contest. For whatever reasons, this demo didn't get into the contest... However, it is now available via anonymous ftp from xanth.cs.odu.edu in /amiga/wavesailing/. It is LARGE: total 1189 -rw-r--r-- 1 tadguy public 4191 Mar 2 11:24 README -rw-r--r-- 1 tadguy public 451661 Feb 23 22:51 wave1.zoo -rw-r--r-- 1 tadguy public 732266 Feb 23 23:46 wave2.zoo So, before you attempt to get it, read through the READM %~zE included below, and be certain you can extract a 732k zoo file (you might want to break the zoo files down on your local UNIX host using the UNIX version of Zoo also available on xanth in /pub/zoo-2.01/). However, if you can run it, it is well worth the trouble of getting it! (It's shame it didn't get into the contest). As a side line... It's almost Spring Break time here at Old Dominion University, and like most University people, I am going to Florida (Daytona Beach, to be exa &Y$2ct). If you send me mail, I'll get to it when I return the next week. If you want to show me and my entourage a good time in Daytona, send mail quickly, or call (804) 683-4529 (work)... Enjoy! (I know I will...) ...tad This is xanth.cs.odu.edu:/amiga/wavesailing/README: This directory contains ``WaveSailing with AmiVision'' by Marvin Landis . This is what you need to do to get this demo running: 1. Have at least 1.2M of memory. 2. Have at least tw '# o disk drives (or one hard disk). 3. Download BOTH wave1.zoo and wave2.zoo (use BINARY MODE). 4. Extract all of wave1.zoo to a disk labelled ``WaveSailing'' 5. Extract all of wave2.zoo to a disk labelled ``Jump'' 6. Click on the apropos icons. The second disk MUST be called ``Jump''. If you're using a hard disk, there's a different icon that will try to run everything from the current directory. This the ReadMe file from wave1.zoo: *** WaveSailing With AmiVision *** *** Cop (yright 1988 Marvin Landis *** *** *** *** Starring Amiguy *** This is an interactive demo that was created using MANY different graphics and animation packages available for the Amiga. This animation will run on a variety of Amiga configurations, but will run the best on a machine with at least 1.2 Mb of memory. A minimum of 725Kb of free memory is required to see the simplest version of this animation. However if you have less than 1.2Mb )qR of free memory you will not be able to see all the capabilities of the animation. The simplest version will only allow 1 jump to be viewed at a time. The buttons labelled 'Jump', 'TableTop', and 'Loop' will work with this minimum configuration, however the animation will pause for a while as the new jump will be loaded from disk. If you click on the 'Random Zip' button, there will be no effect as there is not enough memory available to load more than one jump anim at a time. Wit *8dh more than 1.2Mb of memory you will be able to take full advantage of this animation. The Director script (which is included), first tests for available memory and then runs the appropriate animation. With enough memory you will be able to click on any of the buttons on the control panel of the AmiVision set and without any delays see the selected jump or a continuous loop of random jumps. I have included 2 versions of the Director film file necessary to view this animation. One +$I is intended for floppy disk use, and will load the jump anims from the disk labelled Jumps. However, I hate having to do an assign statement before running an animation from a hard disk, so I also included a film file that will load all the anims from the current directory. So, to run this from a hard disk, just copy the files to a directory on the hard disk, and the WaveSailing.hd film will run everything from the current directory. These files are the necessary files to view th ,BSis animation from a hard disk: Projector - The Director player program WaveSailing.hd - The Director film file WaveSailing.hd.info - The icon for WaveSailing.hd Sailing.anim - 27 frames of Amiguy approaching the wave Jump1.anim - 14 frames for the normal jump Jump2.anim - 14 frames for the tabletop jump Jump3.anim - 13 frames for the loop jump Now just a short note about the programs used to create this demo. The wave -A9s were created with EGG (Videoscape-3D) and then Interchange was used to convert them to Sculpt-Animate format. Amiguy and the sailboard were created with Sculpt-3D and animated with Sculpt-Animate. The AmiVision screen was created with Turbo Silver. Several paint packages were then used to finalize the animation. PixMate was used to create a palette that could be shared by the animation and the AmiVision screen (remember they were done with different 3D packages). Diamond was us .[Ked to blur the waves a little and eliminate much of the triangular look of the waves. Then DigiPaint was used to combine the animation area with the AmiVision screen for every frame of the animation (I LOVE the 'Again' feature found in DigiPaint). MakeAnim was used to create the 4 anim files, and of course Director was used to tie all the anims into the final demo. Please feel free to redistribute this animation to any interested Amiga owner, but please make sure all of the files i f it could on a character display. ... and you could tell something was up as the character would look funny. --Bill ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: dzenc@hermes.ai.mit.edu (Daniel Zenchelsky) Subject: My disk crashing problem Message-ID: <3301@hermes.ai.mit.edu> Date: 12 Mar 89 18:04:40 GMT Organization: The MIT AI Lab, Cambridge, MA Reply-To: dzenc@hermes.UUCP (Daniel Zenchelsky) I've narrowed my pro V,Ƒblem down to one or more of the following programs: dmouse 1.10 virusx 3.20 setpatch setclock Facc II Gomf 3.0 And I have a suspicion that it's Gomf 3.0 that's causing the problems... I'll keep testing, and see If I can't eradicate the problem. Thanks for your help, -Dan +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | ______ | | || |o| Daniel Zenchelsky -- dzenc@hermes.ai.mit.edu | | ||___| |  £ | | | _ | "Yes, but every time I try to see things your | | \_[]_|_| way, I get a headache." | | | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: dean@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Dean Swan) Subject: NAPLPS Message-ID: <2587@sun.soe.clarkson.e wdu> Date: 3 Mar 89 00:51:28 GMT :> In article <10759@well.UUCP>, dave@well.UUCP (Dave Hughes) writes: :> :> :> owner would just write a Naplps drawing/terminal program for the Amiga, :> :> you wouldn't need Byte! You could all share your work in full, animated :> :> and living color by telecommunicatins. And this is not a put-down of :> :> Amigans. The Amiga would make a heck of a Naplps graphics platform, :> :> Where can the specs for Nalps be found? You can get the official NAPL *~PS (North American Presentation Level Protocol Syntax) specifications from the American National Standards Institute at the following address: American National Standards Institute, Inc. 1430 Broadway New York, NY 10018 You can also get them from: Canadian Standards Association 178 Rexdale Boulevard Rexdale (Toronto), Ontario M9W 1R3 I got my copy of m the specs about 5 years ago from ANSI. As I recall it cost about $25. The ANSI document number that I have is X3.110-1983 . There may be a more up to date version. I'm not sure. BTW, this document is a 158 page 8.5 x 11 book. I'd love to see NAPLPS catch on. It offers quite a bit of capability, and is fairly device independent, so the better your hardware, the better the picture will look. Dean Swan Korex Software Corporation Building 3, Unit 5 Seacomm Plaza PO Box 688 Potsd am, NY 13676 dean@sun.soe.clarkson.edu -standard disclaimers apply- ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: svanteb@sluga.UUCP (Svante Berglund) Subject: NETHACK Message-ID: <156@sluga.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 89 17:38:33 GMT Organization: Univ. Agricult., Garpenberg, Sweden. Keywords: WANTED Is It anyone out there who could send me nethack Part02/07....... My computer went crasy and killed it! THANK'S:: Svante B uerglund SWEDEN... ...why be good when you can act bad!!!!d ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: hummel@m.cs.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: New Amiga Rom Kernel Manual now ava Message-ID: <7200082@m.cs.uiuc.edu> Date: 11 Mar 89 02:11:00 GMT Nf-ID: #R:cbmvax.UUCP:6142:m.cs.uiuc.edu:7200082:000:775 Nf-From: m.cs.uiuc.edu!hummel Mar 10 20:11:00 1989 What I want are looseleaf RKMs in binders. It's particularly nice to !H5 be able to pull out reference material and lay out a few pages flat. It would also be useful for inserting updates (if there were such a thing) and related articles from AmigaMail (if it, too, were looseleaf). After years of developers' complaints, Apple has finally released their equivalent of the RKMs ("Inside Macintosh") in looseleaf form. Technical notes and updates had always been looseleaf. To whom at Commodore shall we be telling this? < Lionel ---- "A[------ Lionel Hummel 404 W. High St., #6 hummel@cs.uiuc.edu Urbana, IL 61801 pur-ee,uunet!uiucdcs!hummel (H) (217)344-5303 Dept. of Computer Science (W) (217)333-7408 University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign BUX: lhummel ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: tadguy@cs.odu.edu (Tad Guy) Subject: Ne #Yw demo available from xanth: ``WaveSailing with AmiVision'' Message-ID: <7962@xanth.cs.odu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 89 16:41:29 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA Reply-To: tadguy@cs.odu.edu (Tad Guy) Summary: xanth.cs.odu.edu:/amiga/wavesailing/* I've had this for a few days, but haven't had the chance to announce it yet... Marvin Landis was kind enough to mail me (via the old fashioned kind of mail) ``WaveSailing with AmiVision'', which he intended =t+ left of the screen, AND LOCKS up. :Great for real-time systems on Wall Street, huh? : :Also, from what I've heard, Parity Errors on personal computer RAM chips :are EXTREMELY rare. IBM's "solution" seems to just make the problem worse. : :There are some companies that offer error-checking and correction boards. :Of course, the problem here is that the main system memory will still be :just parity checked, without correction or recovery. : :Of course, what's to stop people from maki .w.ng memory error checking / :recovery boards for the Amiga? In fact, I remember seeing some advertised :awhile back. :Actually, I've heard the following opinion from someone: Since the PC :has so many extra RAM chips for parity checking (12.5% extra), the extra :RAM chips INCREASE the possibility of parity errors, and, since not all :parity errors will be detected (what if 2 bits per [9-bit] byte change? :or any even number of bits?), the extra chips for parity detection aren't :wo "!rth it, and may even make the system less reliable. You make a number of good points. And yes, adding one parity bit does increase the chances of a parity error by 12.5%, and, if you get a parity error on an IBM PC there's a 1 in 9 chance it's the parity bit that's wrong. Basically, although I'm sure there are sales types out there who will tell you that you need parity checking, it's not worth doing if you're not gonna do it right, and you can't do it right with just one parity b Soit. With more than one bit, you can get into correction and stuff, but the cost gets prohibitive for most applications. -=- -- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: schow@bnr-public.uucp (Stanley Chow) Subject: Re: multitasking on wallstreet Message-ID: <326@bnr-fos.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 89 02:13:33 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Reply-To: schow@bnr-publ  Zic.UUCP (Stanley Chow) Keywords: IBM PC RAM parity Summary: No answer is better than a wrong answer. In article <32244@auc.UUCP> rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks) writes: >Actually, I think that you may be. Parity checking on the IBM PC has a >MAJOR problem. Say the system finds a parity error. What does it do; how >does it recover? > >Recover, what does recover mean? If a parity error is found, the system >puts up an error message: > >PARITY ERROR > >in large, 40-column text, up at t Hhe top left of the screen, AND LOCKS up. >Great for real-time systems on Wall Street, huh? > >Also, from what I've heard, Parity Errors on personal computer RAM chips >are EXTREMELY rare. IBM's "solution" seems to just make the problem worse. > >Rodney Ricks, Atlanta University Center Computation Center The question is very simple, which do you prefer: 1) not be told about an error and get an answer. 2) be told about the error but get no answer. Like almost everything in lif (6e, different people have different values on parity. When I am play a games, I don't care about the graphics having a bit wrong. I much prefer continuing with the game. There are many other applications for which machines must be very reliable. Image preparing a bit on a multi-million dollar contract, if the wrong bit is flipped, you end up bidding 3 million instead of 7 million. [I can hear it now: but that means you will almost certainly get the contract, isn't that good?] If the c ܞ\omputer isn't doing what I told it, I want to know. Coming up with PARITY ERROR with no recovery is better than a wrong answer. Stanley Chow ..!utgpu!bnr-vpa!bnr-fos!schow%bnr-public (613) 763-2831 What? Me? Represent anyone? Don't be radiculas, they only pretend to let me represent myself. ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: multitasking on wall FDstreet Message-ID: <1526@neoucom.UUCP> Date: 9 Mar 89 16:15:07 GMT Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Keywords: IBM PC RAM parity Summary: IBM clone RAM parity chip is almost worthless Unfortunately, once you get an interrupt from a parity error on a PC clone, the architecture of the machine itself prevents your program from taking much of an action other than cold rebooting. To this extent parity checking is not extraordinarily helpful. Unfortunately a =Ft the time the original IBM PC-1 was introduced, there weren't any good inexpensive EEC controller components available. Now it would be reasonable to make a memory with EEC so that errors could be detected and most corrected. Nobody has bothered on a PC clone yet as far as I know. Parity chips as used on PC clones are a good way for memory companies to increase their sales volume by 12.5%. I don't find the lack of a a parity bit offensive. Any decent package that is transferring  critical data darn well better have some sort of embedded hash digit checking at the software level. Where you get into trouble is when a character is sitting in video ram and a bit glitches causing you to see the wrong thing on the screen. When did you ever see parity bits on video boards? In the IBM world, you could get burned (when not in bit-mapped mode). On the Amiga we win becasue the characters are rendered onto the bitmap; a one-bit glitch is not going to make a 8 -> 9 as#bs are copied to the root directory rather than to the same >named directory at the root. In otherwords how do I turn a 'product' The slickest way I've found is to use arp's rename. Assuming that the directory is on the current disks just type 'rename product_directory/* *' This will move all the files (and directories) in product_directory to the curr ent directory (could be the root). This trick will not work with Amigadog rename because it doesn't accept wild cards. Bitnet: $ " C506634@umcvmb.bitnet __________________________ Internet: C506634@umcvmb.missouri.edu / \ /--------\ / \ "The Amiga just isn't reliable enough unless you | | Eric |----------+ | a lot about the machine" -- Jerry Pournelle | \--------/ ! | =================================================| /--------\ ! | "I did notice that my party people stood in line | | Edwards|__________+ | to play with the A%=miga"-- Jerry Pournelle | / \--------/ \ | BYTE, October '88 \__________________________/ ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: donw@zehntel.zehntel.com (Don White) Subject: Re: moving products to the root Message-ID: <790@zehntel.UUCP> Date: 2 Mar 89 20:31:12 GMT Organization: Zehntel, Inc. Walnut Creek, CA Reply-To: donw@zehntel.UUCP (Don White) In article <&,w9764@louie.udel.EDU> C506634@umcvmb.missouri.edu (Eric Edwards) writes: >In <9317@louie.udel.EDU> Jerry Whiteman (jwhiteman@st-lousi-emh2.army.mil) said > >>cannot figure out how to copy the files and sub-directories of a 'product' > >The slickest way I've found is to use arp's rename. Assuming that the All you have to do is use the copy command using the ALL argument. Examples: copy df1:fishdir/#? ram: all copy AmigaLibDisk104:whatever/#? df0: all'ZM etc. Amigados (sometimes called Amigadog) is capable enough (except for the missing current directory identifier) to do whatever I have needed to do. Have a little faith and look in the manual a little longer. Don White zehntel!donw Box 271177 Concord, CA. 94527-1177 question - Isn't it about time someone got around to writing Satanic DOS? Would anyone get upset? ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.(l?7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: mdk@hpindda.HP.COM (Marty King) Subject: Re: MS-DOS <=> Amiga conversion tools? Message-ID: <6570022@hpindda.HP.COM> Date: 9 Mar 89 21:33:44 GMT Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA Thanks to everyone who mailed me info on MS-DOS <=> AmigaDOS conversion tools. The Dos-2-Dos tool/utility seems to be the overwhelming favorite. Thanks Again! Marty King ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 0);9/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: schow@bnr-public.uucp (Stanley Chow) Subject: Re: multitasking on wallstreet Message-ID: <310@bnr-fos.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 89 03:44:56 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Reply-To: schow@bnr-public.UUCP (Stanley Chow) Summary: Software is king In article <1295@csd4.milw.wisc.edu> duncan@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Shan D Duncan) writes: [Shan reports on the Wall Street requirements for computers. SC] > >Now the questio*:(ns. Is there anything a PC with windows can do in this >area that the amiga can not (probably cheaper and better) EXCEPT for >the non Fortune 1000 image? > The Amiga can do many more things than a PC with windows. The PC can also do lots more things than the Amiga. The software available for the two systems are very different. I doubt you will find many brokers needing 3-D modelling or ray-tracing just as I doubt you will find the accounting programs on the Amiga. Stanley Chow +!.w ..!utgpu!bnr-vpa!bnr-fos!schow%bnr-public (613) 763-2831 No person or organization has paid me for this opinion, so I will sue anyone who claims to be represented by said opinion. ------------------------------ End of Comp.Sys.Amiga Digest **************************** ry: Software is king In article <1295@csd4.milw.wisc.edu> duncan@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Shan D Duncan) writes: [Shan reports on the Wall Street requirements for computers. SC] > >Now the questio ;n the same boat now." -- Jesse Jackson Rodney Ricks, Atlanta University Center Computation Center ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: martens@furlong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) Subject: Re: multitasking on wallstreet Message-ID: <38072@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: 3 Mar 89 20:32:59 GMT Organization: Ohio State University Computer and Information Science Reply-To: Jeff Martens Keywords: IBM PC RAM parity In article <32244@auc.UUCP> rar@auc.UUCP (Rodney Ricks) writes: [deleted stuff from various places below...] :Actually, I think that you may be. Parity checking on the IBM PC has a :MAJOR problem. Say the system finds a parity error. What does it do; how :does it recover? : :Recover, what does recover mean? If a parity error is found, the system :puts up an error message: : :PARITY ERROR : :in large, 40-column text, up at the topÀutela@tucos.UUCP (Kari Sutela) Subject: Mount vs. SupraMount (Oh no, not again...) Message-ID: <850@tucos.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 89 08:37:57 GMT Organization: University of Turku, Finland Keywords: Mounting, Supra, HD Well, I know this has been discussed quite recently, but at the time I wasn't paying too much attention. However, for some reason I ended up buying a 30 meg Supra HD for my A500 [well, other manufacturers' HD:s for the A500 just aren't available in Finland]. I want to kno>ew if anyone has succeeded in Mounting (and Formatting) this drive with non-Supra software (this possibility is mentioned in some readme-file, but no required technical information is given, though). I have tried a couple of times but have been unsuccessful so far. One might ask, why I'd want to do it. Actually, the salesman at the store where I bought my drive from did just that - and could not give any information :-( First, I just like to know things. Second, SupraMount seems to be leaving a CLI-process hanging around, which I can't get rid of by Breaking. Has anyone else noticed this 'feature' - I suspect that SupraMount spawns a new CLI- process to Mount the additional partitions after DH0:? BTW, SupraFormat shows that my drives are formatted with an interleave of 3. I think (based on Supra's ads) that one can use 0 interleaving with the 30-meg Supra drives/conrollers. Am I right? Can I damage things if I use too small interleaving? I doubt that I can caus Me any physical harm, BUT will it cause unreliability and/or soft errors? So, if some-one has succeeded in this, I'd be grateful to receive the information needed in building my mountlist. An example of your own mount- list would be really nice. Please, email preferred. Thanks in advance, --------- Kari Sutela sutela@tucos.cs.utu.fi OR lk-kari@fintuvm.utu.fi lk-kari@fintuvm.bitnet ------------------------------ Relay-Versin]on: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: childs@cataract.caltech.edu (David Childs) Subject: Re: Mount vs. SupraMount (Oh no, not again...) Message-ID: <9945@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> Date: 9 Mar 89 19:18:22 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology Reply-To: childs@cataract.UUCP () Keywords: Mounting, Supra, HD About Mounting a Supra Drive. I talked to Supra today, and they are doing a rework of the drivers to allow this. David Childs ----------&-------------------- Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: billsey@agora.UUCP (Bill Seymour) Subject: Re: Mount vs. SupraMount (Oh no, not again...) Message-ID: <1412@agora.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 89 22:35:51 GMT Organization: Advanced Solutions, Hillsboro, OR : paying too much attention. However, for some reason I ended up buying a 30 meg : Supra HD for my A500 [well, other manufacturers' HD:s for the A500 just aren't : available in Finland]. :ɬl : I want to know if anyone has succeeded in Mounting (and Formatting) this drive : with non-Supra software (this possibility is mentioned in some readme-file, but : no required technical information is given, though). I have tried a couple of : times but have been unsuccessful so far. You should be able to just create a MountList entry for each of your partitions, then use the AmigaDOS Mount command to mount each partition. The A500 and A1000 versions of the Supra interfacD5e do this quite nicely. You'll also end up saving about 10-15K per partition. Use a MountList entry similar to the example on the 1.3 Workbench, but change the device drive name to either harddisk.device or scsidisk.device, depending on which drive you have. : BTW, SupraFormat shows that my drives are formatted with an interleave of 3. : I think (based on Supra's ads) that one can use 0 interleaving with the 30-meg : Supra drives/conrollers. Am I right? Can I damage things if I use  iAptoo small : interleaving? I doubt that I can cause any physical harm, BUT will it cause : unreliability and/or soft errors? You can use a smaller interleave easily enough, just do a low-level format with a smaller interleave, the only result you'll see is slower read and write speeds. The interleave of 3 seems to be best for most drives with the 500/1000 controllers, an interleave of 1 is best for the 2000s DMA card. : Thanks in advance, : : --------- : Kari Sutela sutela!h@tucos.cs.utu.fi OR lk-kari@fintuvm.utu.fi : lk-kari@fintuvm.bitnet -- -Bill Seymour ...tektronix!reed!percival!agora!billsey ...tektronix!sequent!blowpig!billsey Creative Microsystems Northwest Amiga Group At Home Sometimes (503) 691-2552 (503) 656-7393 BBS (503) 640-0842 ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4."Pі7; site router.kpo.fi From: C506634@umcvmb.missouri.edu (Eric Edwards) Subject: moving products to the root Message-ID: <9764@louie.udel.EDU> Date: 28 Feb 89 05:52:56 GMT In <9317@louie.udel.EDU> Jerry Whiteman (jwhiteman@st-lousi-emh2.army.mil) said >I have tried several variants and gyrations of the copy command and I >cannot figure out how to copy the files and sub-directories of a 'product' >from its directory on a Fish disk to another disk so the files and the >sub-directorie  s$+= SAM =+- "the best things in life are free" ARPA: paolucci@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site router.kpo.fi From: hugh@censor.UUCP (Hugh D. Gamble) Subject: Re: more 1.4 wishes Message-ID: <384@censor.UUCP> Date: 5 Mar 89 23:23:48 GMT Organization: Bell Canada, Business Development, Toronto Summary: How about just including AREXX with AmigaDOS? If there's still a possibiyplity that AREXX could be bundled with 1.4 that would take care of most scripting limitations. What would $xx have to be to make it worth making everyone buy AREXX with AmigaDOS whether they wanted to use it or not? -- Hugh D. Gamble (416) 581-4354 lsuc, utzoo!censor!hugh (Std. Disclaimers) I don't want to live in a beer commercial, I just want to play with some of the girls from one. :^) ------------------------------ Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; siteл-h router.kpo.fi From: rap@ardent.UUCP (Rob Peck) Subject: Re: more 1.4 wishes Message-ID: <4128@ardent.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 89 19:33:43 GMT Organization: Dana Computer, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA Summary: some of objections already addressed In article <61@snll-arpagw.UUCP>, paolucci@snll-arpagw.UUCP (Sam Paolucci) writes: > I would like to see AmigaDOS grow up into a full blown command > language which supports looping, testing (and I don't just mean WARN > and all that crap), branching (liчʢke a goto (god forbid) so you can go > back up in a script), variables, etc. > > write a program. All you have to do is look at the ASK command. You > can only use it for YES/NO questions, and even then you cannot even > just test for YES/NO, you have to test for error condition flags. Can I believe that some of Sam's objections have already been addressed in 1.3 (I just finished a very thorough examination of the released docs for an update to the Amiga Companion and found a lot%`v to smile about). Regarding looping, take a look at the SKIP